Seriously, it's nothing but a money sink, which seems unimportant to mention.
Seriously, what the fuck.
First poster ever to conclude his own thread in the OP. Congrats!
lol, one weapon with over 1k upkeep and a 7k one hander. stop this madness, one weapon should be enough.
I have enough money on my bank to run around in my best equipment all the time, selling loompoints is the key.
Not sure i understand the loom system, something about retirement at certain lvl i hear,
Also, what does this mean: "36h 30b 29l" I see it in the gear section above Armor word.
Im wearing Strange light Armor/boots/mask, Nodachi, wakizashi and a cheap shield :<
but if thats too much, how come too often i see ppl with top eq and full plates all the time, how do they pay for it?
You get charged with repair regardless if you get hit (armor) of if you hit with a weapon yes? Would be nice if only weapon repairs were needed if you block everything :<
my WPF is about 120 now i think. And im not a hybrid, just two handed, but sometimes a shield is better and i dont want to keep switching weapons in battle all the time
Now, learn about the Dunning-Kruger effect:
The DunningKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.
Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others"
You are not seeing a flaw, you are bitching because you are a little bitch, and most people in this forum are going to have a good 20 IQ points on you.
Upkeep is here to keep you gen 1 plebs off the battlefield
Upkeep is only a factor if : You are new, or gen 1.
Seriously, it's about the worst thing in any game ever. It's nothing but a money sink, which seems unimportant in this game. Not to mention, sometimes I have to pay upkeep sometimes I don't. I've played and gotten it 4-5 matches in a row, and other times I've played 20 matches and never gotten it.
Seriously, what the fuck.
Oh so you like keeping the playerbase to a few random 100 people. You aren't interested in playing with more people and adding any kind of challenge to the game?
Sorry, I actually like this game, and I want more people to play it. I'm not bad mouthing the exp grind/money for weapons, but upkeep is ridiculous in a game like this.
Upkeep will keep more/better players away from the game. They just had a sale and had to of gotten a decent size influx of players, why would you not want the game to grow?
I totally agree, but if upkeep really isn't a big deal then it shouldn't even be in the game.
Yes, more information would be great. Yes, streamlining the weapon/armor stats/info would be great. I don't see those things as being actual problems with the game though.
Upkeep does it job in keeping player gear somewhat low (and diverse), and that's all it's meant to do.
Ya, that is what I'm trying to say.
Like I said, how is it a problem if everyone is running around in plate? You have to look at it from a game balancing point of view. Are they wearing it, because it's too strong? Are they wearing it, because they just want to?
Everyone just keeps calling me a fucking retard, or saying I'm raging. I'm trying to improve this mod, simply because I like and it's fun.
Hm, lot of horses today...
How much does a horse cost for upkeep, is it even a viable option to use one and still earn money?
How the hell can you pull that off with 40k, i had to stop wearing 20k worth of items and now i just wear some rags with a 2hander just to barely make any money.
Maybe its your destiny to play in rags then!One of my clan mates had about 170 wpf or some such ridiculous number in xbows, and blew through 200K of gold in just a few weeks with non-stop repairs for an Arbalest.
What about armors? They get dmged anyway regardless what i do. What armor would you recomend for 2hander build?
The game is balanced around level 30's, not level ones, if you don't like the grind, just make an STF char instead.
That is a problem if you actually care about making this game better.Guess what you already dont pay upkeep if your gen 1 and under lvl25 or something like that :mrgreen:
Guess what you already dont pay upkeep if your gen 1 and under lvl25 or something like that :mrgreen:
And also the playerbase is pretty steady and lots of people play this game since 1-2 years and even more.
the server are alway fulls on prime time even if its an crappy looking old game .
Yes crpg is that good.
the server are alway fulls on prime time even if its an crappy looking old game .
I'm gen 1, I am under level 25. I pay upkeep, all my friends are under 25 and gen 1s, they all pay upkeep.
Last night there was 1 server at max cap, and it was 120pop. There were less than 400 other people playing this game across another 16 servers. I don't know how you think those are good numbers, maybe relative to the people playing multiplayer mindsweeper. Right after the sale, I saw 5-6 200 pop servers topped out in the Vanilla game, and 2-3 in crpg(120pop). Those are the new players this game needs, and this ridiculous upkeep system will keep them out. It's already hard enough to play this game long enough to be able to do dmg to a level 30. You can't slow them down anymore.
I wish I could give raw #s, but with the inability to tell my own hps/mitigation it's nearly impossible to tell what any of the damage/stats on weapons translate as far as real damage.
The upkeep isn't ridiculous. My first generation I was able to buy over 60,000 (*EDIT* actually was around 50-55k) gold worth of gear, and still had enough left over to be a heavy lance riding a courser by the time I retired (I had to go footman a lot to pay for the bills). Your first gen is very difficult, but when you retire at level 31 you can sell your loompoint for 600,000 gold or more (and still buy a +1 heirloomed item for less than 500k), make 100k profit and you don't have to worry about money much any more.
Welcome to cRPG!
And for the record, before the steam sale on warband, c-rpg was easily the most played multiplayer mod for warband, it far exceeded the people playing in the native mp servers. A lot of c-rpg players are now playing mount and musket napoleon bullshit, so that's why it's not as populated. A week ago the NA1 battle and NA2 siege server at peak times had 200 people playing (and the other NA c-rpg servers had anywhere from 20-60 people playing in them as well). The EU servers were always full during peak times as well. So that's 400-600 people playing during peak times. The community is pretty damn good (number's wise) for warband.
You are making the point for me why, upkeep is bad. I don't understand how anything you said in that post makes sense to you.
Considering the upkeep system has been in place for over a year, if it wasn't here, then you'd have people running around in the heaviest armor, and on the most expensive horses 24/7. And then you'd have people in here bitching that there needs to be a way to limit what armor and equipment people can use.
Ok, I just did the math my gear=23052, I have peasant boots, my head costs 300, and I barely make money. Having to run around naked to make money is not game balance.
No, clearly the problem is you are incapable of using your brain. Just because something has been done for x amount of time doesn't mean it's working. The statement I quoted has you contradicting the point you are trying to make. You said upkeep isn't bad, while telling me it is not relevant to TOP LEVEL PLAYERS(AKA THE PEOPLE YOU NEED TO BE HITTING WITH THE UPKEEP) so who does that leave to get penalized from the upkeep?
if you run around in gear that's worth about 20k (it tells you on the equipment page of the website) you should make some pretty good money. You can't expect to make money if you're wearing "good" gear. That's just the way the game works. And if you want to find out why upkeep is in place, you need only read some of the posts in this thread to find out why.
Also on the equipment page tells you what your max upkeep is for a round (if every piece of equipment gets hit with upkeep). Besides weapons, your upkeep chance is 7% for every piece of equipment.
Congrats, I just wrote you off as a moron-POOPHAMMER
-POOPHAMMER
No, clearly the problem is you are incapable of using your brain. Just because something has been done for x amount of time doesn't mean it's working. The statement I quoted has you contradicting the point you are trying to make. You said upkeep isn't bad, while telling me it is not relevant to TOP LEVEL PLAYERS(AKA THE PEOPLE YOU NEED TO BE HITTING WITH THE UPKEEP) so who does that leave to get penalized from the upkeep?
Why again high level players arent hit by upkeep?
Go back, and read the thread. I'm not going to quote all the high level players that claim the upkeep they are hit with makes no difference because they have x amount of gold.
The upkeep isn't ridiculous.
when you retire at level 31 you can sell your loompoint for 600,000 gold or more (and still buy a +1 heirloomed item for less than 500k), make 100k profit and you don't have to worry about money much any more.
TOP LEVEL PLAYERS(AKA THE PEOPLE YOU NEED TO BE HITTING WITH THE UPKEEP) so who does that leave to get penalized from the upkeep?Most top players I know of wear a sustainable amount of gear. There aren't that many wearing plate or using heavy cav 24/7. On the other hand, without upkeep there would be little reason not to do that.
So just because most of us were able to manage our gold, not be an idiot with using too expensive gear, and grinded our ways to multiple generations to sell it for gold we damn well earned, you think we have to pay MORE?(click to show/hide)
So just because most of us were able to manage our gold, not be an idiot with using too expensive gear, and grinded our ways to multiple generations to sell it for gold we damn well earned, you think we have to pay MORE?
My Skype name is Shamiggles, if you want me to actually explain this to you I will. I'm not going to argue with a blatant troll for 3-5 pages.
Most top players I know of wear a sustainable amount of gear. There aren't that many wearing plate or using heavy cav 24/7. On the other hand, without upkeep there would be little reason not to do that.
You are the troll here. For fucks sake, just play till level 31, sell your loompoint and stop whining.
No need to explain, you are a new player who can not manage his money wisely and think expensive gear = moar skill and moar kills
I have made gen 1 alts and never had a single problem keeping money in my character's wallet.
Does it suck sometimes? Yeah sure. Does it make the mod unplayable for new players? Absolutely not! I have seen quite a few new faces pop up on crpg and do quite well, and made it to their first retirement and so on. The problem isnt repairs, the problem is how you are managing your gear. People here have been trying to tell you this but you do not seem to want to listen.
It depends. 100k won't sustain the "high level players" from wearing high level armor, high level horses and high level weapons. If you're staying around 20k gold for your loadout, 100k gold could potentially last you forever.
So it really depends. I'm sorry I didn't provide all possible scenarios for you when I wrote a quick reply. You're trying so hard to prove your point, and trying so hard to dismiss any reasoning that goes against your point, that you're being 100% blinded by the bias. Take a step back, take a breath, and try to brainstorm yourself why upkeep is in place. I'm confident you'd come to the same conclusions the others in this thread have.
Once I was down to like 2k gold after buying a loom point for 700k.
I played in my usual ~26 k gold gear for a few days and was at 70 k gold again. With every gear below 30 k gold you are making shittons of money, upkeep should really be higher, its just to low.
You are making my point for me, you are arguing with yourself at this point. You are telling me upkeep isn't a big deal to high level players, AKA the people who you want upkeep to effect, correct?
There is no way you have an education level past high school.
No, I'm not. I never said upkeep wasn't a big deal for "high level players". It's a big deal if you have expensive gear on. It's not a big deal if you have average to low cost gear on.
It has nothing to do with what level or generation someone is. Upkeep is upkeep, it only affects people depending on how much gear they are wearing at a given time.
You seriously are a dense person to come here and twist people's words, try to interpret them as you wish, ignore anyone who gives you reasons explaining why upkeep is in place, and then have the audacity to talk shit when people point it out over and over to you.
You just stated why the current upkeep system is not working. Money does not matter to you, a high level player.
He thinks the higher your level, the more gold you gain or something. Obviously he has no idea what upkeep is and how it functions.
He thinks so I guess, or, as stated above, he is just stupid.
All he knows if you are on top of the scoreboard you are obviously not worried about repairs, which makes me wonder this - What about top players that are dirt poor? Just because they are doing well score wise, would this mean they should be punished by having their cRPG wallet raped?
The OP stated WHY upkeep excists in his OP. YES OF COURSE IT IS A MONEYSINK, thats what it excists for.
I am generation 1 and it hardly effects me at all. You're just a hater.
edit: And for the record, cRPG hasn't died yet - which means it probably will not soon.
You are lying, or trolling. So, it doesn't matter what you say.
I am Gen1/level22 with mediocre gear, and have already proven how little money one makes at that point. You don't make anymore money that I do the way this game is balanced, it's impossible.
So, you are trolling a forum with a game that maybe 500 people play.
And again, you say something thats simply wrong. You still don´t get it, do you?
I am giving you the actual facts of how the system currently works.
And again, you say something thats simply wrong. You still don´t get it, do you?
Be gone already.
Leave the thread then, you are not giving any kind of input in the discussion. You don't have to read this thread, you don't have to post in it. I'm not holding a gun to your head, you are just trolling because you have nothing better to do.
Level 1 characters don't need a money sink, they already have one.
If I have 1 million dollars, and taxes take 10,000 away, who fucking cares. If I have 20,000 dollars, and taxes take 10,000 I HAVE A PROBLEM. This is the way the current upkeep system works. This is hurting the the POOR PEOPLE(LEVEL1/GEN1) in this analogy more than the RICH PEOPLE(LEVEL 31s).
1. Before level 20, you can hardly do much things for your team, so basically you wear peasant gear, which means you already should have gained a reserve of at least 20 k gold.
2. At level 20+ you can start wearing medium gear and help your team, and even with gear worth 20-30 k you make money.
Kafein and blindguy, seriously read this guys posts. His point of view will not change regardless of how much sense you talk to him.
That is my point. Why do new players who are already trying to learn the game have to be hindered so hard, for no reason.
You are agreeing with exactly what I am saying. You are telling new players, Hey, you are useless, run around in peasant clothes dieing all over the place for X amount of time, basically so high level players can feel better about themselves.
I am saying low level players don't matter, they can't do anything. That is the same thing you have been saying. The reason is because they have so much against them already, why do we have to slow them down even more? What does it matter if before level 20 they can wear mid level, hell even the low level gear without slowing down their income?
Why is everyone so afraid of or against helping low level players? Do you not want more people to play this game? Seriously.
I hope this has helped you to understand how random, backward, and ignorant you are being.
Shamlow, to be very clear :
If I wear 0 upkeep equipment at level 30+ at x1, I win 50 gold per tick.
If I wear 0 upkeep equipment at level 1 at x1, I win 50 gold per tick.
If I wear 5k+ upkeep equipment at level 30+, I lose money.
If I wear 5k+ upkeep equipment at low level (that allows me to use that in the first place), I lose the same amount of money.
The only way k/d could influence your income is that it influences the winning chances of your team, which is hardly true as the autobalancer is very far from perfect (so most matches are won because one team crushes the other) and their are 100ish other players on the server that influence the outcome too. Also, good players are teamswitched around.
This adresses one part of your claims.
This is false. You do not earn money by leveling up. Most level 31+ people actually are broke because they can't retire and sell loom points.
Furthermore, upkeep hits everyone the same way. That someone with 1M gold would be less afflicted than someone with 20k in bank is a twist of the human brain.
Have you ever played literally any other online MMO type game? Does WoW start you out as a super rich badass??! or can 99% of the guys you meet own you and buy all your shit for pennies to them? Where would any satisfaction from leveling up come from if playing did not get you better gear? Wow... idk what is wrong with you.
Currently, you level pretty fucking fast, you gain money pretty fucking fast, you can have your choice of gear PRETTY FUCKING FAST. It IS noob friendly, but unfortunatly, its like any online pvp game: There are those who will see that you are not clued up on the timing, footwork, blocking, and will punish you, not because they dislike you, but because we ALL live for it:
Kafien is right. If you want everyone to be equal go play Native. This is for people who want the feeling of accomplishment as they level up and begin to do more damage to the good player. It is great when you level up and can finally start getting some good kills. At level 20 which does not take very long to get to, you can have enough money and can do enough damage to be an asset to your team.
heres a solution for you friend, why don't you spend more time grinding xp and gold and less time whining on forums, we was all gen 1 once too ya know, in fact I spent about 2 gens just running around with a shirt and knife, ffs man deal with it!
Alright, if you are going to argue with me about this and call me stupid. The least you could do is type out coherently in your post, or read over it one time to check your grammar. Maybe your first language is not English, I don't know.
Lol i wasnt saying WoWs repair costs.. I am saying that ANY MMO does not start new players out on equal footing as high level players who have played for months. In other games dont you wear shitty stuff sometimes so you can save up and get the good stuff? It is the same principle here. You wear some shitty stuff to save up your money until you can buy good armor and afford the upkeep. I can understand your arguement about level based upkeep, but that wouldnt work. Why should a guy who has played for months be punished with higher upkeep because he has invested more time in the game? the way the upkeep system is currently works very well for new and old players alike, you just dont see that yet. New players wear cheaper gear so their upkeep is less. That is how it works. And honesly my Gen 1 by level 15 I was getting kills. The first levels are for you to find what you like weapon wise and to invest in skills.
Ya, just deal with it who cares, I like to just waste my time. I don't want to try to make anything more enjoyable to anyone else or myself.
Okay you understand a little more what we are saying I think. And I think you are a little clearer now to. I can see doing a discount for level 1 players, but that adds a whole new problem. You can retire back to level 1 at level 31. Does the guy who retires back to level 1 still get the upkeep discount? What if he has sold his loom point and is already rich? What if he did not sell it and is still poor? See where the problem comes up?
NEW PEOPLEin the game. Thus increasing(hopefully) the population of the game we all enjoy.
do you not understand all the old veterans had to put in hours and hours of gruelling peasant warfare to get to where they are now
Ya good call man, everyone should have to put in hours and hours to get a chance to actually play this game. Just because you did it doesn't mean everyone else should have to do it. You should be the first one to say, Hey that was a little unnecessary having the grind be that bad. That isn't what you are saying, you want this game to stay with a steady population of 500 people. Because you are just super cool I guess, and everyone that has the potential to play this game is a retard.
I agree with Shamlow.How odd. I have this strange feeling of deja vu!
Remove upkeep for people under level 25 at first generation. No need to punish these newcomers, they will receive upkeep later anyway.
(Bring the flames) :o
A friend who is level 11 is paying upkeep, I've been paying upkeep I think since level 9.
Upkeep seems to trigger at:They have changed this a while back due to people abusing the system, they would respec before they hit level 26 so they would never pay repairs, and mostly just ran heavy cavalry nonstop until they changed that.
- Level 26 and above.
- Over 10,000 in gold.
I'm really glad this thread turned into me arguing with a bunch of trolls. Now none of the Devs/Admins will bother with it or bother worrying about this problem.
It's only a non-issue for close minded people, who don't care about the health of a game they are currently playing and enjoy.
I'm online right now, there are less than 200 people online.
Upkeep starts at level 25 or at respec.
It's a sort of buffer zone for new players to build up some capital. Everyone loses money, it's just a matter of how much. If you're having trouble with upkeep, wear cheaper gear.
I paid upkeep before I was level 20, I know have 3 friends under level 20. They are all paying upkeep.
Ok, I am under level 25. Why am I paying upkeep?
hmmmm, who to believe??? well respected developer Jacko or random guy who joint 2 weeks ago???
Why would I lie? Why would I be trying to get this fixed?
Seriously, am I the only person on this board who's first language is English?
Also, I am not against upkeep. I'm just against having it affect new/low level players. Which it's not supposed to do, but it is. Hi, welcome to the thread.
No you aren´t, but there are more people with other first languages. Are so proud of having english as your mother tongue or what?
You are so retarted that I stop finding words (of course also because I´m a barbarian whos first language is some primitive dialect)
Just wear low-mid tier stuff
He will continue running around in plate till he runs out of money, then he will quit, finally.
Upkeep starts at level 25 and/or at respec.
It's a sort of buffer zone for new players to build up some capital. Everyone loses money, it's just a matter of how much. If you're having trouble with upkeep, wear cheaper gear.
it takes like 2.03 minutes to test this out.
I'm really glad this thread turned into me arguing with a bunch of trolls. Now none of the Devs/Admins will bother with it or bother worrying about this problem.
I couldn't read 5 additional pages of much likely nonsense.
Someone suggested him doing an STF char as it seems he wants everything to be immediate and effortless ?
None of that has anything to do with anything in this thread. Nobody has talked about k/d or even win/lose income differences. They don't matter, only you keep talking about this. I don't know why it is hardly relevant to the actual problem.
You have to earn money by leveling up, you just stated why in the previous quote. By just standing afk and leveling/gaining gold you are earning money as you level.
The fact that you don't understand how someone with 1million dollar and someone with 20k dollars are effected differently by a tax that hits them both equally in borderline insane.
Why do you think people with higher income and lower income are taxed different in real life? Do you not understand how it would make more sense to make the upkeep% based vs your level in the least to help out poorer/newer players?
Peasants... why do we, the higher classes of this society, have to listen to their mindless rambling? Someone toss him a coin and be done with it!
Peasants... why do we, the higher classes of this society, have to listen to their mindless rambling? Someone toss him a coin and be done with it!
I'm a huge bundle of sticks,
I didn't start with a Trident. I started with a butcher's cleaver and like a kitchen knife or something. I thought newbie weapons didn't have upkeep, if they do that is even more hysterical.You aren't charged upkeep if your character is level 10 or lower - unless you respec the character. All equipment requires upkeep, but newbie stuff is generally so cheap you won't notice - Hot Chick's Turkish robe, for example, costs me a single gold piece. The only exception is if you start with a Nord Nobleman Outfit; that's expensive so you should sell it and buy some cheap armour with the money.