What is the point of upkeep?

[bukva2]

How the hell can you pull that off with 40k, i had to stop wearing 20k worth of items and now i just wear some rags with a 2hander just to barely make any money.

[Tears of Destiny]

How the hell can you pull that off with 40k, i had to stop wearing 20k worth of items and now i just wear some rags with a 2hander just to barely make any money.

Having proper wpf for your weapon drastically cuts the chance of breaking down (over 11% for 1wpf and a wee bit over 2% for 140-ish wpf), so if you have an expensive weapon wpf is a wise choice to save money. I think having a large amount of money equal to your total gear cost (or twice that amount) also helps to pad for "bad" days so the "good" days can pull you ahead. Also I usually play on battle, as Siege seems to lose me money rather fast.

Then again, it can be pure luck.

Maybe its your destiny to play in rags then!

One of my clan mates had about 170 wpf or some such ridiculous number in xbows, and blew through 200K of gold in just a few weeks with non-stop repairs for an Arbalest.

All I know is that I seem to make money a bit easier then a lot of players, on my main and on my alts, so it might be dumb luck.

[bukva2]

What about armors? They get dmged anyway regardless what i do. What armor would you recomend for 2hander build?

[POOPHAMMER]

What about armors? They get dmged anyway regardless what i do. What armor would you recomend for 2hander build?

Here ya go try this, you will thank me later

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[bukva2]

thanks

[Shamlow]

The game is balanced around level 30's, not level ones, if you don't like the grind, just make an STF char instead.

If the game is balanced around level 30s, then you should not be charging anyone under level 30 upkeep, plain and simple.
That wouldn't do anything to hurt the game, because you can't stay at level 29 to avoid the upkeep. This would help your new players out extremely, allowing them to get decent gear quickly and stockpile some cash for the eventual level 30 upkeep. Worst case scenario here is your level 30s reroll more often to avoid the upkeep, which also helps your new players as there are not as many level 30s per game.

As upkeep stands now, it is only effecting your low level new players. I don't understand how you don't see that as a problem. Look how small the playerbase is , this is not the type of game you just randomly pull players into. This game's community relies on new players that come from word of mouth. Right now if I want a friend to join, you basically have to tell them they won't be able to do much for the first 10 hours they play this game, if not longer. That is a problem if you actually care about making this game better. If you don't please tell me so I can stop wasting my time.

Warband just had a sale on Steam, you just got X amount of new players into the game. I've talked to at least 20-30 new players recently, and they all have similar feelings.

[Brutal]

That is a problem if you actually care about making this game better.

Guess what you already dont pay upkeep if your gen 1 and under lvl25 or something like that 

And also the playerbase is pretty steady and lots of people play this game since 1-2 years and even more.
the server are alway fulls on prime time even if its an crappy looking old game .
Yes crpg is that good.

[Shamlow]

Guess what you already dont pay upkeep if your gen 1 and under lvl25 or something like that 

And also the playerbase is pretty steady and lots of people play this game since 1-2 years and even more.
the server are alway fulls on prime time even if its an crappy looking old game .
Yes crpg is that good.

I'm gen 1, I am under level 25. I pay upkeep, all my friends are under 25 and gen 1s, they all pay upkeep.

the server are alway fulls on prime time even if its an crappy looking old game .

Last night there was 1 server at max cap, and it was 120pop. There were less than 400 other people playing this game across another 16 servers. I don't know how you think those are good numbers, maybe relative to the people playing multiplayer mindsweeper. Right after the sale, I saw 5-6 200 pop servers topped out in the Vanilla game, and 2-3 in crpg(120pop). Those are the new players this game needs, and this ridiculous upkeep system will keep them out. It's already hard enough to play this game long enough to be able to do dmg to a level 30. You can't slow them down anymore.

[CrazyCracka420]

I'm gen 1, I am under level 25. I pay upkeep, all my friends are under 25 and gen 1s, they all pay upkeep.

Last night there was 1 server at max cap, and it was 120pop. There were less than 400 other people playing this game across another 16 servers. I don't know how you think those are good numbers, maybe relative to the people playing multiplayer mindsweeper. Right after the sale, I saw 5-6 200 pop servers topped out in the Vanilla game, and 2-3 in crpg(120pop). Those are the new players this game needs, and this ridiculous upkeep system will keep them out. It's already hard enough to play this game long enough to be able to do dmg to a level 30. You can't slow them down anymore.

The upkeep isn't ridiculous.  My first generation I was able to buy over 60,000 (*EDIT* actually was around 50-55k) gold worth of gear, and still had enough left over to be a heavy lance riding a courser by the time I retired (I had to go footman a lot to pay for the bills).  Your first gen is very difficult, but when you retire at level 31 you can sell your loompoint for 600,000 gold or more (and still buy a +1 heirloomed item for less than 500k), make 100k profit and you don't have to worry about money much any more.

Considering the upkeep system has been in place for over a year, if it wasn't here, then you'd have people running around in the heaviest armor, and on the most expensive horses 24/7.  And then you'd have people in here bitching that there needs to be a way to limit what armor and equipment people can use. 

It's a balancing act, and as a 1st generation player, you are a peasant who is a support class there to make money.  By the time you're level 27 or 28 or 29 you should have enough equipment to play as a decently equipped footman. 

In reality it doesn't take more than maybe 2 or 3 nights of playing to get to level 30. 

And for the record, before the steam sale on warband, c-rpg was easily the most played multiplayer mod for warband, it far exceeded the people playing in the native mp servers.  A lot of c-rpg players are now playing mount and musket napoleon bullshit, so that's why it's not as populated.  A week ago the NA1 battle and NA2 siege server at peak times had 200 people playing (and the other NA c-rpg servers had anywhere from 20-60 people playing in them as well).  The EU servers were always full during peak times as well.  So that's 400-600 people playing during peak times.  The community is pretty damn good (number's wise) for warband.

[POOPHAMMER]

Why bother helping people who refuse to listen?

[TheFocusedOne]

I agree that the upkeep isn't bad.  The numbers are all over this forum - you can wear ~50k worth of gear and still break even in the long run.  50k of gear is a LOT.

Think about it.  Most "decent" peices of hear fall in the 5-8k range.  You have 4 slots for armours (and leg armour is damn near useless for infantry anyway) and 4 slots for weapons.  If you divide that 50k by those 8 slots, you have about 6k to spend on each one - and that's if you plan on using every weapon slot!

I only wear 21,854 gold worth of gear normally, and I manage to go 1:1 and have fun.  At first I sucked, but that is the nature of this game.  Skill =/= expensive gear.  Go to the duel server - there are people wearing dresses and practice swords there that will make you look like a fool.

[Shamlow]

By the way I ran some tests last night with my character and a couple friends.

My character is level 22, I had my friends attack me while I stood still. One person played on a level 1 with starter gear, another on a level 12 toon with a mid range weapon.

The level 1 can't even do damage basically. Now I get it he shouldn't be able to one shot me, but he hit me probably 20-30 times and could only take off 50%. More than half the hits did not even register damage. Before you say, "oh well he doesn't know the hitboxes..blah blah" I played the level 1 and I know how to hit people. Now I'm not sure how the damage is calculated,(mostly because I can't find a reliable source of information) but I am assuming that his n00b weapon damage was mitigated by my armor, and causing the no damage hits. Which I am ok with, I mean if I am a man and wearing chain mail and some 12 year old kid comes up and hits me with a tree branch, ya it probably won't do anything to me.

Then we tried the level 12, and basically got the same result. Short of the fact that when he did hit me(which was about twice as frequently) he did substantially more damage. On big hits he was doing almost 20% damage, small hits maybe 5-10%. He also had hits that didn't register any damage at all, which I am guessing is my armor mitigation. Like I said though, I can't find a reliable source for this information.

I wish I could give raw #s, but with the inability to tell my own hps/mitigation it's nearly impossible to tell what any of the damage/stats on weapons translate as far as real damage.

[POOPHAMMER]

I wish I could give raw #s, but with the inability to tell my own hps/mitigation it's nearly impossible to tell what any of the damage/stats on weapons translate as far as real damage.

Welcome to cRPG!

[Shamlow]

The upkeep isn't ridiculous.  My first generation I was able to buy over 60,000 (*EDIT* actually was around 50-55k) gold worth of gear, and still had enough left over to be a heavy lance riding a courser by the time I retired (I had to go footman a lot to pay for the bills).  Your first gen is very difficult, but when you retire at level 31 you can sell your loompoint for 600,000 gold or more (and still buy a +1 heirloomed item for less than 500k), make 100k profit and you don't have to worry about money much any more.

You are making the point for me why, upkeep is bad. I don't understand how anything you said in that post makes sense to you.

[Shamlow]

Welcome to cRPG!

I am fine with the grind, I am fine with level1/gen1 not doing a lot(any) damage at first, but for the love of god stop holding down the new people who are trying to get into this game.