Ï was spectating you because you threatened that guy to teamkill him the round before.
Feel free to edit your post.
Taking revenge on someone because they did something is pretty childish.Wrong. So.. wrong.
Wrong. So.. wrong.Pff. The only acceptable form of revenge is 'accidentally' trampling them. Everything else is pretty childish.
Taking revenge on someone because they did something is pretty childish.
Ehm, for the note:
1. This guy spammed the other guy with his sword over and over again, what the other guy could do is block, and try to swing a couple of times back. Murmillus_Prime was the guy on the offense who wanted to kill. This is not a case of "the revenger getting booted without the original offender goes free".
2. The other guy got the same ban.
Those who seek revenge are not just taking revenge on that one guy who probably just killed them by mistake but the whole team who are less likely to win the round because of it.
So, taking revenge is just as bad as teamkilling someone on purpose as it hurts the team just as much.
Killing a friendly horse is a very bad move as well and may very well lead to a loss instead of a win for the team.
Animal abusers deserves no respect.
Btw, I remember I teamkilled you and you instantly slashed my horse to death round after.
So great job Nuffen.
Funny how you only watch players you have a grudge against or don't like and ignore the disruptive activities of players unknown to yourself, I wish your admin was removed a long time ago in that vote that was held, most people wanted you to go and you magically stayed, what did you do, donate alot of money?
No enemies were around, the last enemy who was around, was a samurai clad lancer who I killed, I then proceeded to kill the rouncy she rode and after doing so, immediately I'm killed by the said teamkiller, no enemies were around, it was also near the end of the round.
I've been accidently team killed many times, I've done nothing to the players who done so and even said no problem, discredit me if you wish, I don't exactly class you as someone I've ever had a problem with up until this post.
Suddenly killing an enemies horse, which was called by a team mate without a horse is suddenly something deemed bannable over an intentional teamkill, how screwed up can you get huh?
I believe the actions taken but nuffen to be nothing more but an elaboration on his desire to take action against people he personally holds grudges against, how can such a twisted judgement, ignoring an intentional teamkiller and banning someone for defending themself, be accepted on a server as prominent as EU1?
Remember riddaren I wasn't banned for killing a horse, and apparently you condone him team attacking me, in response for me attacking the called horse, you're condoning team attacking, is your judgement really rational?
...while I was slashing the courser he whistled for ... I wanted to get a hit in back ... so I hit his shield multiple times, after I managed to hit him...
Sorry, who are you? Why would I have a grudge against you?
Also, you ignored two warnings.
Ban was the right answer for this.
So tell me, if he whom had with clear intention team-kill me the previous round and did so, even when I notify everyone through game chat, no action is taken against him, not even a warn or a kick, yet because I attacked a horse not belonging to him, because I retaliated to him attacking me, that's right he attacks me first and you're watching this yet you don't kick him until when, ah lets see when I retaliate and you kick me and ban me, I don't know if you did so to him too but I wouldn't expect you to based on the knowledge of the situation I just provided in the above sentence. Nuffen allowed this to happen until he could incriminate me, and that's my reasoning for believing this is nothing but an example of his over eagerness to press the ban button with flawed biased judgement, even in situations where a simple kick is needed, the punishment not being proportionate to my negative activities.
Some of you support the ban, tell me if you've ever seen a real team-killer at action, then maybe rethink your harsh blunt judgement, I'm not the nicest person in the world but I don't ever go out of my way to be an arsehole.
This is irrelevant, because this was not what happened.
Anyway, this thread is pointless, it wont lead to anything. To get unbanned, you, AS EVERYONE ELSE, needs to post a post on:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,33.0.html
The admin who you have now harassed, namecalled and generally been a dick against, me, is the one who decide how long you will be banned. The guy who you where in a fight with has already done that and is unbanned in two days.
Lmao, tell you what next time I'll stand there and just let him tk me two rounds in a row, rather that, than a ban.
I am happy that you will next time observe the rule that "No revenge teamkilling" is allowed.
More a case of revenge team attacking, to which ended up as a drawn out fight, he couldn't leave it drop after I managed to hit him back once, I had to defend myself from that point on. I never actually killed him.
So quick to come to an incorrect judgement, it's sad people such as yourselves are given these admin positions. Do a little self satisfied thread on how to help the peasants, insert tongue in arse with the admins and suddenly you become an admin!
Meh, dont bother making an unban post with that attitude.
I have just reasons for taking such a stance, I'm not overtly attacking or insulting you as a person, only your judgement, you're not mature enough to take some criticism when it's deserved, and will now further my unjust punishment, reinforcing my stance.
My freedom to play the game/mod to which I enjoy so much I've donated towards has been snatched unfairly from me, how is that not a fair excuse to give criticism towards the perpetrator?
I regret to inform you that the rules are not open to much interpretation by Admins, even if they disagree with a rule they must enforce it.
Here is a referesher (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2606.0.html)
I'm not overtly attacking or insulting you as a person... you're not mature enough to take some criticism
Wow
You dont even understand the difference between an abuse and a bad use. Sorry dude, but after you vent berserk on that other guy, hitting him over and over for revenge, its not even a bad use. You got SEVERAL warnings before you got banned. And, you clearly show that you dont regret.
Didnt know you were a repeated offender, thanks for telling me. If you make a post on the ban/unban forum, Ill tell you the topic and lenght of your unban essay.
Weird, it's almost as if being a douchbag is against the rules.
Repeated victim of your abuse. If I had gone around team-killing with intention, If I had been purposely coming to the server to do such a thing then yeah I can see why I'd be banned, I can't believe how you're ignoring the statements which I'm providing, you're treating me like a racist treats a black man, you're blinded by negative bias for me, oh so what because I'm not part of your clique and openly criticise it, I'm now subject to being treated without any fairness atall, what part about you only targeting me don't you understand? This post is just proof of my accusations of bias against me.
This may be hard for you to understand, but what happened to you happens to everyone who ignores warnings and deliberately team hits. They get hit with the ban hammer. You did not get singled out.
Hell, to make it obvious, if I see the same thing happen and give warnings and those are ignored, I will issue a short little ban too.
For a veteran of c-RPG there is no excuse for ignorance of this ancient stance on deliberate team hits.
nuffen is known to be an easy trigger though. At least in this case a kick would have been enough. Also Murmillus you should know creating a thread about it when you broke the rules won't help you. I think everybody take revenge like that or make minor violations to the rules from time to time, probably because of RL stress, yet it's not a reason not to punish it when an admin is there.
People that don't like nuffen and don't get into trouble either don't complain about him.
Killing the horse your teammate was whistling for is a serious offense too. To see that you are admitting you did it yet don't feel ashamed is troubling. If you don't understand that taking revenge is breaking the rules, I can do nothing for you.
More than once I admitted my offences, none of which constitute a ban, rev made a point of trying to shut me up with the rules, yet the rules hardly have anything written that would immediately put me in the wrong without tarnishing the person whom caused the problems from the very start three fold, yet I get treated with the same severity as the individual who team-killed me and team-attacked me, yet I never killed anyone and I did not swing the first blow, how can I be treated worse when such facts have been repeated over and over again? Seriously this is a clear case of flawed logic.
The rules presented even partially back my argument up.
If this was real life, you'd have people who've killed burglars in self defence being given the death penalty without a trial, thank fuck it's just a game, hope no admins like nuffen are judges irl, or people's lives would really be unfairly fucked over.
This is a good point. But failing to punish the first offender doesn't mean the second one shouldn't be punished. What happened exactly to the player that TK'ed you in the first place ?
I'm also convinced a ban was clearly too much. But we need to keep the punishment open for interpretation as people that really want to troll are good at circumventing too clear rules. If you think nuffen is exagerating, I know you are not alone and I'm pretty sure you could build up a solid ban thread case against him and get many supporters.
Yes, if he was just defending himself, it would be too harsh with a ban.
He was not defending himself, he was revenging from the last round. He intentionally vent up to the guy and vent on attacking him for over a minute, with several warnings.
He understands himself that his action was too bad to defend, so he changes the "facts" to adjust em, and people like this is the main reason we, the admins, have to use loads of time to spectate the offenders, as they will make up stuff to make emself look innocent. Therefore, we have to spectate them to make sure they are actually doing the stuff we are gonna accuse em of.
Griefing, revenging a teamkill last round, call it whatever you want, this is not a minor offense.
Ps: he got 3 serious warnings, he ignored em and continued to attack his teammate.
JEEZ NUFFEN LOOK AT SOME FACTS I DID NOT TEAM KILL HIM, HE HIT ME FIRST, how hard is THAT to understand? I DID NOT IGNORE WARNINGS I WAS NOT EVEN AWARE OF THEIR EXISTENCE I assume you can understand basic, if sometimes badly spelt English right?
Are you sure that Im the one who dont understand?
*ignores insults, AGAIN*
Someone should permamute this moron.
He admits to intentional teamwounding - so the ban was valid. Reason for his TWing is irrelevant.
Too many rejects think they can ignore the rules and then bitch their way out of the consequences when they get caught. Let this be a lesson to them.
Murmillus_Prime, since you haven't caught on yet, nobody cares about your opinions on how much severity of an action constitutes a ban. As a lowly internet troll, I give you advice: It is a fucking video game about Internet Knights and this is a public forum about it. You are given a chance to redeem yourself by the use of the Unban forum but instead you continue to sperg about something that is actually very insignificant. Had you just made an unban thread, you would already be well on your way to being unbanned from said Internet Knights game.
The reason nobody is on your side is because every single one of your posts is a constant stream of tears with terrible quotes like, "He watched me apparently, so why did he not kick the idiot who team-hit me first, before I had a chance to retaliate?" How about instead of shifting blame for your actions onto other people, quit posting in this thread, and make a unban thread already? You posting in this thread will just make your chances of getting unbanned further and further removed from you. It is a crying shame that the admins haven't already locked this thread and put you out of your misery, because you have been beating a dead horse for four pages now.
Heres my thoughts from a third party with no association with nuffen or Max... I had to post because I understand the injustice of being banned and the responsibility of banning (all those years of CSS dear me). Max presents his case with a rational, though heated, argument (who would not be indignant at a ban?). On the other hand, nuffen gives short replies seemingly without reconsidering the ban. Now that this situation has escalated, who would humble themself before the other? Yes Max broke a rule (I am speculating) but did nuffen give him a verbal warning and a kick for the minor first offense? Or did he ban right away? At face value, justice was dealt too harshly and too quick. Max is but human as is nuffen. Mistakes happen. Compromises should be made. I think a 2 day ban for Max should be sufficient enough. Any longer just because of some disrespect and I would say your judgement is clouded. I've always thought that server rules stating, "respect admins" was childish (are there server rules about that here?) Adminship is a responsibilty and honor, but it doesnt make you a step above everyone elses dignity. The rule should state, "Respect everyone."
I sincerly hope my post is considered.
I hope you get team-killed often,
Better leave the server when nuffen is on :D
Hey
Im giving short responses because there is not a lot to answer. He mostly repeats himself, spicing it up with insults. I started by telling him that I was spectating the situation, and actually believed he would come to his senses and stop the lying about what happened. I dont see the point of making huge posts telling over and over what happened, as its easy to read from what I already wrote.
You are writing like you havent even read my _short_ replies. I did give 3 warnings (which is more than any other admin would), he ignored all 3 of them.
It was not a minor offense. He attacked the other guy several times, while I wrote a warning, waiting for respons, wrote another, waited for respons, wrote a warning and waited for respons before banning him, while he was still attacking. only reason the other guy didnt die was because I banned "murmillus prime"!
This could have been a 2 day ban if Murmillus Prime had posted in the unban forum, promised to not teamattack again, and left it with that. Instead he came in here, pretending that the problem is not him, not the rules, but the admin who enforced the rules. Im not gonna let people who refuses to accept the rules of the games, play.
I've been banned on every EU_ server for team-wounding in self defence, tell me how that is fair without complaining that I'm crying or whining or w/e you wish to call it.
Now, move on with your fucking life and stop whining.
It is fair because you were team-wounding. Let that sink into your thick skull before posting again.
What.
The.
Fuck.
He dealt with the situation as he seemed fair at the time. Both you and "the other guy" got banned for griefing. It is hardly his fault you failed to read the warnings, is there? It's not perfect justice, but he dealt with the issue at hand: Players griefing each other.
This is not "community breaking". This is simply ADMINING, keeping the PEACE on the servers, which frankly I'd like to see a lot more of.
Now, move on with your fucking life and stop whining.
It is fair because you were team-wounding. Let that sink into your thick skull before posting again.
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What part of he attacked me first do you not understand? Many MANY MANY people, probably little cunts like yourself most likely team-wound and team-kill on purpose at times and get away without even a warning, hypocritical cunt.
There are few people I don't apologise to when I TK by accident, it's a shame such civil behaviour isn't reflected in this negative self-serving arse sucking collection of pathetic individuals such as yourself.
He attacked you first = team wound
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Then you attack him back in revenge = team wound
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You both got bans, do the math.
This is the best read in General Discussion.
it's a shame such civil behaviour isn't reflected in this negative self-serving arse sucking collection of pathetic individuals such as yourself.
This is the best read in General Discussion.
Why would he team kill you on purpose unless you were being a general dickhead, even before you decided to attack him back?
Probably, his missed a swing, like we all do sometimes, and hit you at low health. Oops. Now you are dead, and he has a tk. Its honestly your own fault that you just didn't sit back and enjoy the free multi while dead, and instead decided to dick your team, the other guy, and yourself by team killing in revenge (which is most certainly on purpose).
I didn't want to come in here and be insulting... but Murmillius I think its pretty clear that you are either a fail-troll or a generally stupid. This can be seen from your whining and insulting threads, whining and insulting posts, and the awesome bar that was almost as low as Gorath. A better solution for this situation would be to shut up, and let the ban run its course. You are just making it worse for yourself.
From the standpoint of a non-admin, I have never had a problem with admins on EU or NA. As long as you don't dick about and make sure to apologize to people you may tk...they are really reasonable. Kicks, warnings, and bans are all given and for the most part deserved.
That is certainly the case in this situation. This thread has gone on long enough I think, the discussion is going nowhere and all it is creating is a chance for this guy to make himself look dumb.
LOCK THE THREAD
You're judgement of my motives is incorrect, I wouldn't bother posting as much as I have, tried making points, as impossible as it can be sometimes on this forum with people like yourself who completely miss the point of anything which supports my argument and instead just want to see me incarcerated further.
Also, how you can take a position on saying a quote such as "He watched me apparently, so why did he not kick the idiot who team-hit me first, before I had a chance to retaliate?[/i]" and accuse me of shifting blame? I've taken accountability for my offences, and responsibility for them, and I'm simply saying, problems should be dealt with before they become a bigger problem, how is that a bad position to take?
you also get banned on eu for not wearing gear that cause you to lose gold, just thought i warn you
Your argument is shit. You are whining that you were banned for team-wounding somebody when team-wounding is completely against the rules. It doesn't matter what motive you had - it is against the rules. It is black and white - there is no gray. The sooner you accept this, the better off you are, but at this point I doubt you will ever be unbanned.
I love how you say you take responsibility for your actions yet continue to post gems like these: "the situation was not prevented when it could have been." Yeah, maybe you should take responsibility for your actions instead of wait for somebody else to clean up your mess?
Or how about deal with a situation where a player has notified the server of an intentional team-killer? Instead of only taking actions against players which you personally don't like.
Or how about deal with a situation where a player has notified the server of an intentional team-killer?
but as I've also already said a thousand fucking times, a kick would have cooled me down and I would have taken the hint and resumed normal game-play, nuffen accuses me of ignoring warnings when the final warning was never given, that being given in form of a kick
I'm speaking plain fucking English here, how twisted are the thought processes of some people here? Is it people like you who end up in government and end up fucking the country up or is it people like you who act like apes every weekend when they go drinking too much? Seriously, you're so unaware of your lack of perception into matters like this, yet you still give insulting, offensive opinions.
"Only" my ass. He banned both you and the other guy, not just you. Stop lying.
This may come as a massive shock to you but Game Admins Do This For Free and thus are not watching 24/7 and it can take a few minutes before we respond to a situation due to having alt-tabbed for something or dealing with another situation.
You are not by any stretch of the imagination the only player who has been banned for revenge team wounding. Read the archives and you find that countless people have been nailed on this. This is not discrimination, this is just you being silly and refusing to follow the rules which everyone has to follow.
Just relax, admit you broke the rule which apply to everyone, and then everything will get better.
*shrugs*
Enjoy your ban, for I shall enjoy sipping my iced tea from the exclusive Badmin club.
I then proceeded to hit the courser he called over as petty revenge in a moment of rage, but in doing so he hit me in the face with his sword and 1/3 of my life was taken from me, this further enraged me and I started trying to get at least one hit back at him
I'm guessing this is the moment where nuffen rushes in to accuse me of being the aggressor and then insta-bans me without fair warning from all EU servers.
How the fuck is this situation fair and how the fuck have I lied?
Tears_of_Destiny has a weird use of the word "lying".
He wasn't lying. It is just his own perception. He isn't deliberately trying to deceive anyone.
Murmillus_Prime hasn't shown any deceitful intent for the duration of this thread but whatever helps you sleep, bro.
*shrugs*
Enjoy your ban, for I shall enjoy sipping my iced tea from the exclusive Badmin club.
Or how about deal with a situation where a player has notified the server of an intentional team-killer?
Badmins - the nocturnal defenders of Gothmin city and vigilant protectors of cRPJustice.(click to show/hide)
AFTER he team-killed me with clear intent the previous round to which I notified the WHOLE server including NUFFEN but NOTHING was done.
Or how about deal with a situation where a player has notified the server of an intentional team-killer? Instead of only taking actions against players which you personally don't like.
a kick would have cooled me downReally? Youve had more than enough time to cool down now, but you still are not.
nuffen rushes in to accuse me of being the aggressor
I don't sleep, have you seen my post count and posting times? :mrgreen:You never post early in the morning, what chu talking bout?!
You never post early in the morning, what chu talking bout willis?!Fixed
Not true, I spectated him to find out if he was griefing and found out you were griefing even worse.
Not true. He was also banned (and gets unbanned soon), as I was spectating him after I was told he was griefing. And again, who the fuck are you? I have no idea, but you claim that I kicked you once. This whole conspiricy theory is only happening up in your own head, because you are not able to see that you may be at fault.
Really? Youve had more than enough time to cool down now, but you still are not.
I never accused you of attacking first, I accused you of attacking him over and over, which you also admit. Can we now please move on?
You're now saying that you did actually watch him purposely team-kill me in the round previous to the one in which you banned me?
No, Im saying that because you complained about it, I spectated him the round you started griefing him.
So then you saw him team-attack me after I started slashing the courser? This being after he intentionally team-killed me. You didn't think to ban him from that point?
I did.
Yet you failed to act until you could find reason for myself to be kickedYou were so quick to start attacking him, there was no time to ban him before you started to grief.
but wait you didn't kick me, despite not committing a severe offence
despite not being known as an intentional team-killer before handI knew none of you before this incident.
despite failing to act on his intentional team-killing, initial team-attack the following round, you instead banned me, straight off the bat.Ok, this might be the 10th time Im saying this, but because of complaints about him intentionally teamkilling, I was spectating him when I saw YOU griefing. So yes, I acted. What did you want me to do, trust you on your word and ban him right away?
I believe you dislike me for other reasonsI have no idea who you are. I dont remember ever talking to you before I warned you to stop teamwounding THREE TIMES.
like a child snatching candy from a baby, only the child did it because it wanted all the candy, and the power you wield is the candy on which you must devour and gorge yourself on to retain a level of ego which you maintain at the detriment to other peoples views, and freedoms to express them.
You were so quick to start attacking him, there was no time to ban him before you started to grief.
One hit against a teammate is not a severe offence, and is usually stopped by a warning. You continued and slashed at him several times, this is a severe offence.
I knew none of you before this incident.
Ok, this might be the 10th time Im saying this, but because of complaints about him intentionally teamkilling, I was spectating him when I saw YOU griefing. So yes, I acted. What did you want me to do, trust you on your word and ban him right away?
I have no idea who you are. I dont remember ever talking to you before I warned you to stop teamwounding THREE TIMES.
Yes, lets sum it up:
Nuffen: you teamwounded, bam, you get the consequences..
Murmillus_Prime: I teamwounded intentionally. This is not why Im banned. Im banned because nuffen hates me and dont understand the rules and how to enforce them. Im also innocent!
Ok.
Rules says:
http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Rules
No intentional teamwounding/teamkilling.
Judgement a bit cloudy? A bit tainted? Dislike me because I voted for you, lilith to have your admin removed when the first vote was created to remove an admins powers, and I let you know that I voted for wookie to remain an admin because I'd never seen him abuse his powers but I had seen you abuse yours and even once you had done so to me which I've already mentioned on this thread.
Wait, what?
You voted no on me? Well, heres a newsflash, the poll was anonymous!
And, you indirectly admits voting yes on you to revenge me kicking you once, which was an abuse of the poll.
What has that got to do with your ban exactly? You're really scraping the barrel, do you know that?
Your the one who brought it in. Regret it? Seems like _you_ are the one bearing a grudge, not me.
You broke the rules, you got banned. No amount of bullshitting will get you unbanned, don't be so fucking dense.
The powers of an admin consist more than that of the ban button, the human brain has the capacity to think, to weigh up situations and judge the severity of the circumstances, how can a team-hit in retaliation ever be considered an offence worthy of a lengthy ban on ALL EU numbered servers?
I've accepted that I've wronged, so I'm not bullshitting, narrowness won't make you right, telling me to shut up won't make nuffen right, it won't make my ban justified.
Popularity of a player or an admin, does not change facts, truths, and the context in which actions were taken both by the offender, the victim and the judge.
with dozens of "remove nuffen's admin" and "banned for nuffen by nuffen" threads before and after he was almost stripped of admin because of a poll, you'd think he would change the way he goes about punishing people who break the rules
And after all the "omg, you banned me for revenge-TKing, you abuze" and the "I did nothing, even if you was watching me leech for 15 min"-nominations you would think people started to realise that most of em are bullshit.
PS: this guy got 3 warnings before the ban.
I've accepted that I've wronged, so I'm not bullshitting, narrowness won't make you right, telling me to shut up won't make nuffen right, it won't make my ban justified.
I get tked intentionally, then I get attacked by the same person the following round because I started to attack a horse he whistled for in revenge for him intentionally tking me previous round, I let the server know I was intentionally tked and who by and what for, yet I get banned while defending myself to this same idiot who tked me intentionally previous round.
If the admin wasn't a noob admin then he's an arsehole because any admin worth his salt knows I don't go around tking intentionally and always apologise if I do so.
Common sense:
revenge attack
get banned
GTX mod
Lol, so now it's a conspiracy?
I'm not defending anyone here, not nuffen not any other Fallen member, because well, we're not even involved in this.
What I do see is:
- you getting team attacked
- you attacking back in revenge
- you getting banned
Fallen dudes come in aid of their buddies from clan and IRC, the treatment of my case by the majority of responses in this thread have come from players whom are playing social politics within this community in order to get a better grasp on power and influence for self gratification, whom are slowly starting to achieve a result of alienating the few to speak up against their actions and of the injustice of the actions of their friends whom would in their positions help them retain and grow their political influence and power in this community.
Oh and some shit about Fallen trying to control EU servers, which made me lol hard irl.
I prefer the game clean of idiots and teamkillers so I have no problem with a few false positives that get banned for ridiculous reasons, even if it would be me.
I'd also like the game to be clan of idiots and team-killers, like the one who team-killed me after I killed an enemy horse for instance, like the idiot who only has a ban button to press when other actions were available to them.