Thoughts about "mod is dying and keeping it alive"

[Rico]

Are the official servers really that laggy? I hosted the Australian server on a $20 per month VPS and never had any problems, even with 40 players on which was peak for aus. They must use some pretty shitty servers if they can't handle the average 20-30 players that are on EU/NA battle these days

I think a part of the lag players observe is a consequence of GPU overheating and client-side netlag. When very detailed items such as the new weeaboo armors meet a crappy PC, it's predetermined that the FPS won't stay constant. FPS drops look just like netlag when no FPS counter is enabled. Also, when you are on powerline or wifi, the connection often gets disturbed by various factors, be it adapter overheating, electric interferences or moving objects between the sender and the receiver. If you share your internet with a lot of people, your bandwidth is reduced and the ping goes up. Sometimes, antivir updates, steam updates or malware remain unseen and consume bandwidth. Weather conditions are also a factor for people who live far away from the servers.

I rarely had problems with the servers. I can recall only a few times where mass disconnects or global pingspikes happened because of the servers. Most of the time, when something went bad, it was a mistake on my side. Other than these rare situations, my ping is absolutely stable. The interval of maximum deviation seems to be 3.

[andreakarasho]

I dont undestand if this is lag:

If i Press R and L of mouse together my pg in a first time blocks and immediatly he attacks.
When i see the attack, the games uses half of animation (i dont see the preparation of the attack, but only yhe swing).
Is it lag?

[The_Bloody_Nine]

yesterday evening I played it was not just normal lag as in a delay from action (click) and response on monitor. It is like several frames are cut out once in a while.

[Simon_Belmont]

I dont undestand if this is lag:

If i Press R and L of mouse together my pg in a first time blocks and immediatly he attacks.
When i see the attack, the games uses half of animation (i dont see the preparation of the attack, but only yhe swing).
Is it lag?

You can do that without lag as well (it's exploitable), but yea, that's probably due to the lag because I've noticed it much more often as well.

[Switchtense]

I think a part of the lag players observe is a consequence of GPU overheating and client-side netlag. When very detailed items such as the new weeaboo armors meet a crappy PC, it's predetermined that the FPS won't stay constant. FPS drops look just like netlag when no FPS counter is enabled. Also, when you are on powerline or wifi, the connection often gets disturbed by various factors, be it adapter overheating, electric interferences or moving objects between the sender and the receiver. If you share your internet with a lot of people, your bandwidth is reduced and the ping goes up. Sometimes, antivir updates, steam updates or malware remain unseen and consume bandwidth. Weather conditions are also a factor for people who live far away from the servers.

I rarely had problems with the servers. I can recall only a few times where mass disconnects or global pingspikes happened because of the servers. Most of the time, when something went bad, it was a mistake on my side. Other than these rare situations, my ping is absolutely stable. The interval of maximum deviation seems to be 3.

Usually I'd agree. But I had massive lags as well lately.
I am running a constant 120fps. GPU runs at a smooth 40°C and I have a constant ping of 24. Not using Wifi or Satellite internet shit.

People warped through me and hit me in the back. I miss 25% of all stabs, even if I see my weapon pierce right through the enemy. Another 25% of my stabs glance, and another 25% are low damage hits, whereas before it was way less. I would get more stabs in with a Long Spear on facehug range than I do now with an Awlpike on normal stabbing range.
Also my kicks are missing a lot more.
Some Eques guy (Can't remember who) was duelling me in EU1, he was standing right in front of me in facehug range (Stationary!!!!). I kicked and seen my foot fly through his body, he just looked at me and slashed me for the kill. While other times I am getting kicked from impossible distances and angles.

And the amount of people that are experiencing the same problems speaks for itself really.

[Gravoth_iii]

You can do that without lag as well (it's exploitable), but yea, that's probably due to the lag because I've noticed it much more often as well.

Not exploitable, it looks different for everyone else, only for you its kinda instant but others see the whole animation.

[Mr.K.]

others SHOULD see the whole animation.

Fixed. The servers are skipping animation frames every now and then. It has nothing to do with the client side GPU, fps or ping as it's clearly different from what it was half a year ago. It feels like packet loss and it's totally random except that it seems to get a bit worse with more players.

On the actual topic, maybe adding different stuff could keep the mod alive for a little while longer. Maybe we need some events or special items and at least we should get a fix for the previosly added things. Still the first thing I personally would change is the EU1 map rotation which I've complained a lot before but is still the single most annoying thing about current cRPG. That plus the lag has killed the mod for me and I rarely play anymore.

The leveling system needs a small change as well I think. Right now I have two characters at 37 and two at 36 (already retired two of these as the respec system allows me to change builds anyway) and no point to grind. There should be a cap on what you can achieve by leveling up and after that you gain something extra like special items, access to some sexier armor or so on. Level 31 builds should be the maximum to avoid extreme builds. The current retirement bonus isn't enough for me to retire any of my remaining characters and I'll never reach the next levels on them either, so there's nothing to look forward to.

Give more power to people like San and Tydeus and whoever has the skills and is still interested to change and try out things. I disagree with a lot of the balancing done recently, but the mod needs to change every now and then to stay fresh. Just let them experiment - it's not like it can kill the mod any quicker...

[Gravoth_iii]

Fixed. The servers are skipping animation frames every now and then. It has nothing to do with the client side GPU, fps or ping as it's clearly different from what it was half a year ago. It feels like packet loss and it's totally random except that it seems to get a bit worse with more players.

On the actual topic, maybe adding different stuff could keep the mod alive for a little while longer. Maybe we need some events or special items and at least we should get a fix for the previosly added things. Still the first thing I personally would change is the EU1 map rotation which I've complained a lot before but is still the single most annoying thing about current cRPG. That plus the lag has killed the mod for me and I rarely play anymore.

The leveling system needs a small change as well I think. Right now I have two characters at 37 and two at 36 (already retired two of these as the respec system allows me to change builds anyway) and no point to grind. There should be a cap on what you can achieve by leveling up and after that you gain something extra like special items, access to some sexier armor or so on. Level 31 builds should be the maximum to avoid extreme builds. The current retirement bonus isn't enough for me to retire any of my remaining characters and I'll never reach the next levels on them either, so there's nothing to look forward to.

Give more power to people like San and Tydeus and whoever has the skills and is still interested to change and try out things. I disagree with a lot of the balancing done recently, but the mod needs to change every now and then to stay fresh. Just let them experiment - it's not like it can kill the mod any quicker...

If the server is skipping animations then its the server, and not clicking both buttons at the same time. So its still not exploitable..

[Mr.K.]

If the server is skipping animations then its the server, and not clicking both buttons at the same time. So its still not exploitable..

True. The only thing that I know is exploitable right now is the shield nudge which removes the chamber animation* making instahitting leftswings possible and you can see quite a few players abusing this.

*=not sure about the term, but the animation when you pull your weapon back to make an attack before you release it

[Corsair831]

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Lag was especially bad today, not sure why but it was almost unplayable. And lag isn't small issue, it is rather huge obstacle for a new player who's familiar with other online games. They will notice lag right away and getting killed by people much better equipped than them and ten times more skilled isn't helping either. The fact that lag issues can be circumvented in certain ways which aren't familiar to new player and are far from being logical are just nail in the coffin for a chance that new player will stay in this mod for more than 30 minutes.

Some of that was present when I started playing this mod, but back then lag wasn't as bad but the thing that made me stick around was huge population and general atmosphere on servers. Many new players like myself around, true battlefield atmosphere with real peasants and skilled knights in shiny armors.

Right now atmosphere is very bad for a player who came here to play the game (fight the enemy army), amount of brocoding and troll play is staggering. New player can't get into that right away which makes him feel like unwanted, complete outsider who doesn't have any right to be on the server.

Now imagine if said player heard about cRPG during M:BG Kickstarter campaign and wanted to try it out before devs give him more info about further development and early alpha access that is about to come. That player might not be gone for good, but cRPG left an awful first impression on him, which has enormous effect on his opinion about Melee Battlegrounds.

When i first started crpg in 2011 it was just a bit of casual fun when i wasnt playing super sirius clan matches in native, and the server population was huge, like 100-150+, so i could forgive the little bit of lag that there was then.

But now, not only is the server population tiny, (like 50 is the max it ever reaches), but the lag is easily way worse than it was in 2011, when the servers were full up. Are the devs even aware that crpg is unplayably laggy, or do they just not care?
(if it's that they don't care, then i have to say that alienating your loyal playerbase when you are planning to release a new game is just ..... *slow clap*)

Go play IG battlegrounds on native for a couple of rounds and then play crpg.. you notice the lag difference IMMEDIATELY. IG usually has the same server population as crpg these days, but the lag difference is HUGE. Shame really, i like crpg .

[Simon_Belmont]

Not exploitable, it looks different for everyone else, only for you its kinda instant but others see the whole animation.

Not really, I've been able to do it at 60 fps and with a ping of 40-50 and those frames are skipped for everyone. It might only have to do with certain servers tho, but it affects everyone.

[Teeth]

There's always periods of increased bugginess of the mechanics due to the servers going a little bad. Dunno how they fixed it in the past, think the servers just got reset or something.

[WITCHCRAFT]

There's always periods of increased bugginess of the mechanics due to the servers going a little bad. Dunno how they fixed it in the past, think the servers just got reset or something.

Not enough people have the ability to reset the server.

This is a problem with a lot of mods and community-run servers, not just crpg or M&B. 

[Falka]

Give more power to people like San and Tydeus and whoever has the skills and is still interested to change and try out things.

As far as I know San prepared another patch long time ago, the problem is only chadz can launch it. And he has "lazy" in his title not without a reason...

[Aseldo]

Reasons game is dying: game sucks

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