archery..

[Havoco]

I miss murdering all those fallen archers from horseback now I can only find two or three compared to the time  when i could have sworn that half the enemy team was fallen archers :/

I don't see anything wrong with bow right now except killing an enemy quickly with on eludes me even when my shots connect with heads i swear ppl are immune to arrows

This... fallen used to be almost all archers.

Polestagger might get reworked once archer discrimination in this forum stops.

LOL.... +100 for paul

[Tears of Destiny]

turn loom arrows into extra arrows and not damage then archery would be fine for me and i would still be raging when i get shot 

What do you think of this?

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,17322.msg247132.html#msg247132

This... fallen used to be almost all archers.LOL....

Note that as the Fallen Archers decreased, my time spent in game decreased and my presence on the forums increased... Food for thought.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

What do you think of this?

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,17322.msg247132.html#msg247132

Note that as the Fallen Archers decreased, my time spent in game decreased and my presence on the forums increased... Food for thought.

iv got a 4 h law lesson tomorrow, ill read all that tomorrow, thank you for bringing it up, it should occupy my morning, right now im f***** and going to bed 

edit : apparently i +1 your post when i read it (octobre 2011, told ya i was everywhere  )

[Son Of Odin]

NERF ARCHERY

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Damn NA fools think all Fallens like archery . So typical... I pity the fool

[Lech]

stop lieing paul, you are probably one of the main reasons archery is still op

Yeah, he is, but it's not that simple. Many things are broken engine-side and he can't fix them.

[BlindGuy]

No Lech, also a lot of things ARENT broken, and he doesnt change them, because archery is pathetic, ubernerfed, and UP. Spammy shielders are the most unnerfed at the moment, but you cant seem to accept that.

[Tears of Destiny]

I don't see archery as UP, I think it is in a good place. When I'm not distracted by TS, I'm usually in the top 7 of the leaderboard, and I'm an okay player who is level crutching. Considering the majority of the top scoring players are not bowmen, I think it is not OP either. The damage dealt statistics recently released also seemed pretty reasonable too.

[Meow]

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Ok so before i start, I will state a few things :

i don't often come debate if archery is op in this thread, i jsut post sometimes my 2 cents about things that annoy me when i read some shit that goes on in this thread.
-I'll agree that the 2h lobby is the most retarded one we have in crpg
-That archery isnt amssively OP eventhough i have my very own griefs (such as loomed archery gear, epic headshot and some other stuff)
-That everyone should play at least archery one gen or two on main or an alt an to get some positive kd ratio before being all pro on forums about archery

But followind this (i read nearly every post of this forum since 2011 -Yes, I get bored in law classes) thread annoys the fuck out of me. I realise that in the arhcery lobby there are a few specimens that are as retarded as some 2h lobbyist, and yes I'm thinking of you Blindguy

But first I wish to answer to Meow post who posted his opinon and i thank him for that because he is the only member of dev team that does it (except maybe Paul who throws in some stats times to time to watch us fight like starving sharks over a piece of an australian surfer's leg).
Sadly enough you just get your ass licked by some here that take your words as truth just because you are part of the dev team. I beleive you wont take it against me if i'm opposed to your opinion and don't lick your ass ( the only thing we have in common is my mw heavy throwing axe you have in your face that I'm still waiting to retrieve from you!)

First of all trust me, when you one hit people with GLA it does create rage, like i rage when i get one hit by a morning star. rage is issued from anything that is unexpected,irrisistable...and does fuck loads of damage. Like when i throw a jarid at leshma running away that told me i did 75% damage (eventhough my testing on a clanmates alt, a plain 18/21 in medium armor  with no looms caused at best 50% damage) and comes on the thread "throwing is broken" jsut to say throwing is perflectly fine and very powerful. Or even when badplayer nearly gets his horse one shot by a thrower
But the fact you can block the axe with a block causes less rage and the player victim knows he can only blame himself (or is fucking stupid team mate for backslashing him when he was about to block.)

I dont want to seem all pro, 133t and other shit like that but I'v witnessed your playstyle very often meow on eu 1 or even pecores server, it consists of a strength build with a gla and rushing enemies lines. By doing that you create an insane clusterfuck around you where you swing your axe madly while the enemies try to gank you. While you dont care who you hit the opposing gankers oftenf ace two situations :

- or they dont give a fuck and swing as madly as you and risk team hitting or worse teamkilling
- or they are consciencious and try not to teamhit and wait for the occasion jsut to get slashed by a friendly or you when you turn around unexpected to them

result is, the damage dealt to you when you die is far inferior to the damage that you'v inflicted or that firendlies have done amongst themselves due to this chaos.

you say you take 5 arrows to kill someone, i say you cant generalise like that, all depends on the enemies build, looms etc. In average it takes me 3 to 5 arrows to kill someone
The very nature of melee gives it the opportunity of getting more kills, going "spamad" (spam-mad) in clustefucks (the number of people who jsut fail a simple block in those clusterfucks is impressive)
archery is a distance game where you dont put yourself in danger from the melee therefore the damage output isnt the same.

now this is the first thing that makes me go : "errrr no" in your post.

saying to adapt to the game. I am sorry but no, this is a game, im not going to have the archery dictate what i should play, a strength build or a one hander.

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Even though i deeply agree that agi build are completly useless for battles and any one that makes one for battle is plain retarded, we are not going to make archery do reasanable damage to strentgh build and, oh, lets fuck the rest cuz who cares? they are cry babies anyways! Strength builds are amde to resist to damage and do good damage but lose versatality and speed (maybe the trade off isnt fair but that's another thread about "STR is imba").
Does it come to your mind that not every person that doesnt go pure strength isnt a 2h duelist my old friend that gets high on his own farts just because he owns on the duel serv?
i have loomed medium armor im not an agi build but more a balanced one and still take some heavy damage from archery.

range is easy, you just point and click take in account some elevation loss and speed travel of the target. but the main thing that makes me say that it's easy mode is you dont have someone in front of you to directlyc ontest your skill.
In melee it's very different, you have to be aware of attacks blocks chambers distance etc and when you fall on Chase the only thing you can do is hope someone is going to save your ass (or hold down block because he's jsut respecced to a piker)

I hope you wont take any of this eprsonnaly meow but somethings jsut annoyed me

And this is not talking about blindguy, you, my good sir, are one of the biggest arrogant prick this forum has, one of those guys that just gets high on your own farts, your the archer version of those 2h duelist that get high on kicking ass on duel server. you say that they are all whiners and elistest morons, but you are exactly at their level.
but your "prickness" doesnt limit itself to this thread (yes, i already said i read nearly every thread on this forum) you can find on another thread that has nothing to do with balancing.

and i see you are all pretending to be all native "connaisseurs" but i would like to recall that any 2h can also wear a shield and be an effective one hander AND shields actually have a forcefields, something you dont get here

AND NOW IM F****** MAD BECAUSE ALL THIS TIME I SPENT MAKING THIS PSOT SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED TO COMPLETE MY THROWING GUIDE!

F*** ME AND F*** YOU ALL

 

I actually read most of it and you summed up my charge and havoc tactic pretty well
You do not know my alts though.

The part I did not spoiler is a bit weird since by nerfing archers further you are dictating how they have to play.

Oh god plate archers ---> WPF penalty ---> lower armor ---> omg melee archers! ---> Slot system ---> fleeing archers due to lack of melee capability.

You guys forced them into their current role and now it's a problem...
Don't get it.
But totally going back to archery in 500k xp =)

It's just a game let's just keep it as it is and feel free to play what you like but if you fail to adept to the battlefield then you will be a bad player.

Also dumbing down ranged to point and click is not exactly how it works but I figure you know that.

I also like how you say everyone who agrees with me is a brown noser, massive fail understanding that your opinion is also just an opinion like mine.

[Teeth]

Probably said this in here already, but I'll repeat myself. Changes that have been made to archery made the archer with melee capabilities almost extinct. Furthermore, if you would for example give archers a less steep wpf curve, no one would put the extra wpf into melee, they'd rather put some more into archery. Why is that? Because they can run away. An archer with melee capabilities is completely possible and viable, but they all want that 2 slot bow, those 2 stacks of arrows and as much accuracy as they can get.

I would much rather see archers as most of them were historically. Wearing quite a bit of armor and armed with a melee weapon. They fire volleys into the enemy ranks, but if they get catched in the fray, they are able to defend themselves.

Running away as an archer should be made less viable. They tend to have quite a bit of agi and barely any armor so they can outrun pretty much all infantry.

A good start to fix this would be to disable archers with their bows in hand to reach sprint speed. After 2-3 seconds of running your character suddenly speeds up to his maximum speed. If archers can't do that anymore, running away while being chased is not an option, while still being able to sidestep after every shot. They can switch weapon and sprint, but no more run/turn/shoot shenanigans.

Also prevent archers from taking 2 stacks of arrows, so they always have room for a proper melee weapon.

To compensate for the loss of mobility, the wpf decrease for wearing armor should be reduced a lot. Armor just does not decrease archery capabilities much. Arrow stack size should be increased and break chance should be reduced. Splitting proficencies for archers should be encouraged and be made more viable. Give them considerably more melee capabilities, without nerfing their current range capabilities much. Enable battle archers, no actually, force archers to be battle archers. As long as the possibility is there to get more accuracy and damage by being a wpf whoring cowardly archer, most will do it.

The archer in peasant garbs, that runs away when anyone comes close, should be changed into an uneffective gimmick build, that trembles in fear of his mighty armored and brave battle archer brethren.

These are proper archers

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Oh, implement deployable stakes, doesn't matter if they don't damage horses if they run into them, stopping them is good enough.

tl;dr version:
Nerf running away capabilities to the ground, force melee capabilities on archers while leaving their ranged capabilities mostly untouched.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

The part I did not spoiler is a bit weird since by nerfing archers further you are dictating how they have to play.

if you read well my post my meow, i never said they were really overpowered, i just believe some tweaks could be in order!
But i see you just stick me into the anti archery lobby... i really like playing archery

It's just a game let's just keep it as it is and feel free to play what you like but if you fail to adept to the battlefield then you will be a bad player.

I am sorry but no, this is a game, im not going to have the archery dictate what i should play, a strength build or a one hander. Even though i deeply agree that agi build are completly useless for battles and any one that makes one for battle is plain retarded, we are not going to make archery do reasanable damage to strentgh build and, oh, lets fuck the rest cuz who cares? they are cry babies anyways! Strength builds are made to resist to damage and do good damage but lose versatality and speed (maybe the trade off isnt fair but that's another thread about "STR is imba").

You talk about adapting, yes of course, when  game mechanics change. I was cav when the lance angle got changed, we all had to adapt, some more easier then others. But there is, imo, a difference between forcing all players to adapt to one class. And this is what you seem to put forwards, go STR or shielder or dont play battle....great...
now question is, was 2h dictating their game just because they didnt want to see archers? or was it justified nerfs?

you speak like i asked for all these archery nerfs...

I also like how you say everyone who agrees with me is a brown noser, massive fail understanding that your opinion is also just an opinion like mine.

I said this because the only reaction we got after your thread where :

meow for president!

Your speaking to deaf ears, Meow, I have been saying this for months. But players would rather change the game than change their style. Cause, afterall, they are HEROS! pfffffffft

there was no one that made a real response and no one came to really argue with you

But first I wish to answer to Meow post who posted his opinon and i thank him for that because he...

i know my opinion is just as valuable as yours...wasnt treating you like if you were a retard or elsewhat...

ps : saying archers cant fight inst true, i beleive in the tenne's school of archery : longbow 15 bodkins and a langes messer 1 slot that i use as a two hander. i get kills with both weapons.

ps 2 : i support your idea tears (i loled at the overdramatic posts, "YOUR KILLING ARCHERY QQQQQQQQQQQQ)

[Tears of Destiny]

I would much rather see archers as most of them were historically. Wearing quite a bit of armor and armed with a melee weapon. They fire volleys into the enemy ranks, but if they get catched in the fray, they are able to defend themselves.

See, I used to do just that, but then this happened:

Oh god plate archers ---> WPF penalty ---> lower armor ---> omg melee archers! ---> Slot system ---> fleeing archers due to lack of melee capability.

So I am playing the exact class that the community forced upon me.

I used to use a Miaodao, now I use a stick.

[Teeth]

So I am playing the exact class that the community forced upon me.

The community is a bunch of retards, don't listen to them.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

Running away as an archer should be made less viable. They tend to have quite a bit of agi and barely any armor so they can outrun pretty much all infantry.

i looked at archer builds, they all seem to invest like 6 or 7 ath. i invested 5 ath and got 4 ps 50 wpf in 2h and 150 in archery.
I of course avoid combat but at least i can help a friend instead of stiking an arrow in its back. Or when i get in a fight, it goes on, he backpeddals and then i....run 

I would much rather see archers as most of them were historically. Wearing quite a bit of armor and armed with a melee weapon. They fire volleys into the enemy ranks, but if they get catched in the fray, they are able to defend themselves.

I'd support this, but dont make it like in native where an archer can also be an elite meleer 

[Lech]

No Lech, also a lot of things ARENT broken, and he doesnt change them, because archery is pathetic, ubernerfed, and UP. Spammy shielders are the most unnerfed at the moment, but you cant seem to accept that.

Spammy shielders are broken in their own special way. They are broken thanks to game engine. Are they most unnerfed ? No, there are few less nerfed classes around. And archers aren't up, they are op in battle mode actually.

[Tears of Destiny]

Wait, Shields are now considered OP?

What the...