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Title: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 29, 2015, 10:41:31 am
I wonder if I should upgrade?
I've always been one of the first to try. I'm pretty curious.
And I kinda don't need my system in a productive way for the next couple of days...

So tempting.

When you do the In-System upgrade, the background download will store the files in c:\$windows.~BT
Download size is said to be somewhere around 4GB.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 29, 2015, 10:44:54 am
I'm going to do it. Reviews are good and it's been tested for a decent amount of time. Reserved my copy already so shall just wait for it to DL and upgrade. Will probably give it a go this weekend.

I'm going to be the guinea pig for my family and friends though. None of them want to do it until they've seen how it runs lol.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: NejStark on July 29, 2015, 10:50:58 am
Report back plz? Ive heard you have to pay to remove ads from Solitaire, which is only one thing, but coul be indicative of how things are in other programs too.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Grumbs on July 29, 2015, 11:41:47 am
Don't you have like a year to upgrade for free? Might as well wait, its just an OS and windows 7 is fine. If you have 8 then maybe do it
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: darmaster on July 29, 2015, 11:59:03 am
Was using the preview (arr arr'd) and it felt much better than 8 and 7 (which were fine to me aswell); i think you should, not to mention dx 12 support p:
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on July 29, 2015, 12:06:34 pm
On 8 right now, have reserved the upgrade. Will try it today after work and report.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kasigi_Yabu on July 29, 2015, 12:19:26 pm
Got windows 10 this morning, everything is pretty good so far, everything carried over smoothly, no files lost.
Only problem so far is crpg now stutters a bit which is annoying, but I suppose updates will tackle things lie that soon
The new browser works well, nice and fast but overall very similar to chrome.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 29, 2015, 12:35:35 pm
Made an USB-stick as upgrade device and using that way to upgrade right in this moment (checking for updates atm).
Haven't tried any of the previews, neither watched any of those videos. Going out on a limb now :D
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 29, 2015, 01:38:42 pm
Might upgrade since it cant go worse than 8. Only thing is keeping all my files, will i need to save all my guro hentai on a external memory or is it possible to upgrade and keep the porn without external stuff?
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Thovex on July 29, 2015, 01:59:20 pm
Apperantly the current build is really stable and good.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: LordBerenger on July 29, 2015, 02:56:47 pm
Might upgrade since it cant go worse than 8. Only thing is keeping all my files, will i need to save all my guro hentai on a external memory or is it possible to upgrade and keep the porn without external stuff?

All my midget porn and fellow Swedish Názi porn is still there and nothing happened to it.


Looks good so far.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Algarn on July 29, 2015, 03:08:14 pm
The thing that I hated in Windows 8 was the change in the organization. It made me feel like I had a tablet instead of a computer. Can someone who's gonna get this can post pics of the menu for example ?
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 29, 2015, 03:28:30 pm
All my midget porn and fellow Swedish Názi porn is still there and nothing happened to it.


Looks good so far.

Man of good tastes i see. Cheers will probably upgrade then. Would be dissapointing to loss all my porn though, snake porn is hard to come by.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: LordBerenger on July 29, 2015, 03:29:35 pm
 
The thing that I hated in Windows 8 was the change in the organization. It made me feel like I had a tablet instead of a computer. Can someone who's gonna get this can post pics of the menu for example ?

My desktop wallpaper is nude yaoi hentai. It's gonna distract ur eyes from checking the menu if i post a screen
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 29, 2015, 04:29:15 pm
Well, after some testing the temporary verdict:

Installation Progress is not the fastest but it's fully automatic and works.
Booting time improved for me a Little bit more than it already did with Windows 8.
All programs I have seem to work.
Only tried Witcher 3 yet and it runs as well as it did before the upgrade. I have the subjective Impression that it even gained a few fps. I'm probably wrong cuz I don't know any reason why it should.
The IE works like a charm. Quick loading of pages, no kickups while Scrolling Content heavy pages. Only the dictionary is not Setup for English yet, hence the weird capitals in here :D
Wifi Connection worked instantly.

Overall it runs very well and I like what I see. No Problems whatsoever. Guess I'll Keep it till I get a full Windows 10 key and can do a clean full install.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Tiger on July 29, 2015, 04:39:03 pm

My desktop wallpaper is nude yaoi hentai. It's gonna distract ur eyes from checking the menu if i post a screen

Boku No Pico
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: cmp on July 29, 2015, 04:55:17 pm
Guess I'll Keep it till I get a full Windows 10 key and can do a clean full install.

You can already do a clean install, as long as you upgraded first and the free activation was successful.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on July 29, 2015, 04:57:18 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Finished by the time i posted this, yay potato fiber :)
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 29, 2015, 05:09:08 pm
You can already do a clean install, as long as you upgraded first and the free activation was successful.
So, they kinda save the state of my upgrade and then allow me to clean install after that with my Win8 key?
I tried a full install at first but it wouldn't recognize my Win8.1 Pro N key as legit. So I did the upgrade...

Edit: I will probably Keep using the new browser. It's way faster than my Firefox :o
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: cmp on July 29, 2015, 05:13:46 pm
So, they kinda save the state of my upgrade and then allow me to clean install after that with my Win8 key?
I tried a full install at first but it wouldn't recognize my Win8.1 Pro N key as legit. So I did the upgrade...

Yes, when you upgrade they add your PC to a whitelist on their servers (hardware based, I guess) and activate a generic license. When you do a clean install you just skip entering the key, and it will automatically activate when you go online.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 29, 2015, 05:36:40 pm
Excellent, good to know. Thanks for the hint.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: LordBerenger on July 29, 2015, 05:41:38 pm
Boku No Pico
desu desu desu kawaii hentai banzai tenno heika
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on July 29, 2015, 05:48:23 pm
Is there a point in doing a clean install instead of an upgrade? I thought that Windows upgrades are no longer bad.

Also, just finished the upgrade... seem to have some display/UI issues. Desktop icons are HUGE, taskbar + taskbar icons are TINY, everything in FF seems a bit blurred, some things, such as notification, appear under things rather than above them, etc. Sometimes it doesn't let me change resolution, either. Not sure what's up with that.

--edit: nevermind, a restart fixed most of the issues. Taskbar is still TINY. Will take a bit to get used to that.

Hey, no more terribad fullscreen apps :) Might actually start to use a few now.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 29, 2015, 07:07:54 pm
No update notification for me yet  :(
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: ARN_ on July 29, 2015, 07:31:57 pm
Had a problem when I installed it and thought I should drop the solution here if someone got the same problems

https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/3eyrre/fix_for_the_80240020_error_when_trying_to_install/

Seems to work good so far
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 29, 2015, 08:37:40 pm
No update notification for me yet  :(
You can force it.
Or create an usb stick for installation like I did.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on July 29, 2015, 08:49:51 pm
Okay, just ran into an issue. Everything was working fine at start, started playing some WoWs, then all of a sudden my physical memory usage went to 98%. This has persisted even after a restart. Nothing shows up in task manager to explain this. Also my system drive is at 100% :/
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 29, 2015, 09:06:00 pm
Okay, just ran into an issue. Everything was working fine at start, started playing some WoWs, then all of a sudden my physical memory usage went to 98%. This has persisted even after a restart. Nothing shows up in task manager to explain this. Also my system drive is at 100% :/
:shock:

I keep the resource manager running in the background to track weird behaviour atm...

Nothing shows up in the graphs.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Xant on July 29, 2015, 09:07:38 pm
Screens, bitches.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 29, 2015, 09:09:34 pm
My disc also goes up to 100% not sure whats the cause but it has for a long time now, and its annoying as fuck. I was hoping w10 would fix that :C
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on July 29, 2015, 09:23:08 pm
Solved my issue. If you have Killer Network drivers or manager - update that shit. Apparently i was running an older version, that has the neat feature of bricking your PC, when running W10.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 30, 2015, 10:04:06 am
You can force it.
Or create an usb stick for installation like I did.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Yeah did this in the end. Only minor quirk was it wouldn't update unless I changed my region language from the UK to the US. But when it updated it installed it as the UK so all good.

Like it so far. Though it took a bit of playing around to get Cortana to work due to languages again. It will only work if you have your region language, speech language and language packs all the same and even then it takes a few goes to get it to actually start.

Like the overall look as well. More 'modern' looking than 7 and more streamlined over all. Edge is also nice and speedy so I've already switched from that to chrome.

The only thing that does annoy me is not having a 'My Computer' and 'Control Panel' in the start menu. I've changed that now by pinning them there though but the search wasn't originally working so was a pain in the arse to get to the control panel every time.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 30, 2015, 03:07:51 pm
Damnit, decided to do some regular updates untill the w10 upgrade pops. Now disc is running at 100%, cpu 80% and it wont connect to the internet. Its always a gamble with these updates.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 30, 2015, 03:17:04 pm
Never had any issues with regular windows updates tbh.

Edge is indeed very quick but I'm back to Firefox now. It just has features I miss too much in Edge. Like the dynamic bookmarks and the quick access to 'most visited sites'. Not willing to miss out on those two.

Oh, and I had to install some media feature pack separately to get GTA V running. Seems that this pack or some contents of it are not installed with the N version of windows but GTA V launcher has dependencies with some library in it. No biggie... 2 min google search and another 2 min for download and installation. Leaving this here FYI.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on July 30, 2015, 03:33:59 pm
I'm using Opera, has everything I need from web browser. Firefox is too slow, clunky and integrated speed dial sucks (don't like the ones that come as distentions).
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: LordBerenger on July 30, 2015, 04:49:27 pm
Never had any issues with regular windows updates tbh.

Edge is indeed very quick but I'm back to Firefox now. It just has features I miss too much in Edge. Like the dynamic bookmarks and the quick access to 'most visited sites'. Not willing to miss out on those two.

Oh, and I had to install some media feature pack separately to get GTA V running. Seems that this pack or some contents of it are not installed with the N version of windows but GTA V launcher has dependencies with some library in it. No biggie... 2 min google search and another 2 min for download and installation. Leaving this here FYI.

Google Chrome masterrace
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on July 30, 2015, 06:19:50 pm
Just leaving this here incase someone wants his Windows 10 rightnow but Microsoft is a bish http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/28/how-to-force-windows-to-start-downloading-the-windows-10-update-files/ (http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/28/how-to-force-windows-to-start-downloading-the-windows-10-update-files/)
Only works on 8 I believe.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 30, 2015, 06:25:17 pm
Just leaving this here incase someone wants his Windows 10 rightnow but Microsoft is a bish http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/28/how-to-force-windows-to-start-downloading-the-windows-10-update-files/ (http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/28/how-to-force-windows-to-start-downloading-the-windows-10-update-files/)
Only works on 8 I believe.

(click to show/hide)
No need.

As Molly posted earlier:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Can just download that. No need for the flashdrive either. I just downloaded, ran the update and it did it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on July 30, 2015, 07:12:20 pm
Shiiiit... The new Mahjong is... a bit addictive... Got bronze through daily challenges in an hour. I'm afraid to upgrade my parents PC to 10 now. Mom is addicted to Win7 Mahjong as it is :lol:
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 30, 2015, 07:24:05 pm
After doing regular windows updates my internet stopped working, wifi still works and ethernet on ps3 works but nothing on pc. God this is so frustrating.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 30, 2015, 07:38:16 pm
Anyone else having problem with permissions? Trying to save stuff to my pictures and it says I don't have permission even though it's on my account and I'm also administrator. All security permissions are correct on the folders.

On a separate note Cortana tells terrible jokes:

(click to show/hide)

Edit: No matter fixed it. It seemed to think I wasn't administrator on the permissions only for the pictures folder.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 30, 2015, 07:48:11 pm
lel
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on July 30, 2015, 08:21:22 pm
After doing regular windows updates my internet stopped working, wifi still works and ethernet on ps3 works but nothing on pc. God this is so frustrating.

can you connect to wifi? is your adapter turned on and properly configured? have you updated drivers?
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on July 30, 2015, 08:34:50 pm
Shiiiit... The new Mahjong is... a bit addictive... Got bronze through daily challenges in an hour. I'm afraid to upgrade my parents PC to 10 now. Mom is addicted to Win7 Mahjong as it is :lol:

Mahjong in win7?? what edition? havent seen mahjong in windows since win95.

does it have ads like solitaire?
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Xant on July 30, 2015, 08:52:35 pm
The interface looks pretty slick.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: pogosan on July 30, 2015, 09:55:48 pm
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on July 30, 2015, 10:06:45 pm
1. Naw
2. 3. It's lighter than previous Windows versions
4. No, unless you meet these requirements: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-my/windows-10/cortana-is-not-available-in-your-region-or-language
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on July 30, 2015, 10:13:40 pm
No need.

As Molly posted earlier:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Can just download that. No need for the flashdrive either. I just downloaded, ran the update and it did it.

So I just tried this and all it does is tell me "Something happened." and that's it  :shock:
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: pogosan on July 30, 2015, 10:20:19 pm
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on July 30, 2015, 10:53:19 pm
So I just tried this and all it does is tell me "Something happened." and that's it  :shock:
Enterprise edition? :lol:
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on July 30, 2015, 11:12:12 pm
Enterprise edition? :lol:

Running 8.1 Pro :(
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 30, 2015, 11:56:02 pm
So I just tried this and all it does is tell me "Something happened." and that's it  :shock:

Does it do it around the tech check stage?

Change your systems region language to the US. The same thing happened to me and that fixed it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 31, 2015, 07:14:59 am
can you connect to wifi? is your adapter turned on and properly configured? have you updated drivers?

Wifi and ethernet works on everything but my pc. When i manually input the ip and gateway it identifies the internet and says its connect ed but still doesnt work.
Pretty sure the drivers are updated, cant update them now anyways without internet..
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kadeth on July 31, 2015, 07:55:56 am
The only thing that does annoy me is not having a 'My Computer' and 'Control Panel' in the start menu. I've changed that now by pinning them there though but the search wasn't originally working so was a pain in the arse to get to the control panel every time.

If you right click on the start menu you'll get control panel, file explorer and other handy shortcuts. Right click on start menu more useful than left click =P

I had some issues with the upgrade, but all good after a clean install (had to upgrade first to get the 10 license key)
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Vibe on July 31, 2015, 08:24:43 am
The question is what do I gain by overwriting Windows 7 with Windows 10?
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 31, 2015, 10:09:14 am
Shiiiit... The new Mahjong is... a bit addictive... Got bronze through daily challenges in an hour. I'm afraid to upgrade my parents PC to 10 now. Mom is addicted to Win7 Mahjong as it is :lol:

Damn you.

After I saw this I gave it a go and ended up playing it for an hour.

Similar situation with Solitaire.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on July 31, 2015, 11:40:56 am
Does it do it around the tech check stage?

Change your systems region language to the US. The same thing happened to me and that fixed it.

Aight did the job for me too! thanks :3
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on July 31, 2015, 11:46:03 am
Wifi and ethernet works on everything but my pc. When i manually input the ip and gateway it identifies the internet and says its connect ed but still doesnt work.
Pretty sure the drivers are updated, cant update them now anyways without internet..

Sorry for chainposting.

Might be a DNS problem then. When you manually configure an IP, use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as DNS, those are from Google.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 31, 2015, 11:52:58 am
Aight did the job for me too! thanks :3

Yeah pain in the arse cause it has to redownload the whole thing again.

If you right click on the start menu you'll get control panel, file explorer and other handy shortcuts. Right click on start menu more useful than left click =P

I've just pinned them to the start menu now. Didn't like them not being right there and not a fan of the file explorer way of doing things  :)
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: pogosan on July 31, 2015, 12:56:48 pm
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on July 31, 2015, 12:59:57 pm
You gain Windows 10.
...with DirectX 12.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Utrakil on July 31, 2015, 01:02:30 pm
This might be interesting for people with privacy concerns:
https://i.imgur.com/iHge6RJ.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/iHge6RJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 31, 2015, 01:47:30 pm
Meh nothing to surprising there.

Tbh I'm not really bothered about the security aspect. Maybe if I was more paranoid.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Xant on July 31, 2015, 03:57:50 pm
It's not about paranoia. Or at least not only about that.

It's about shitty stuff like them restarting your PC automatically and forcing you to update, which sucks ass.

Basically, a lot of this is about taking control away from the user. "We know what's best for you." That's really bad, and the opposite of what they should be doing.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on July 31, 2015, 04:01:01 pm
It's not about paranoia. Or at least not only about that.

It's about shitty stuff like them restarting your PC automatically and forcing you to update, which sucks ass.

Basically, a lot of this is about taking control away from the user. "We know what's best for you." That's really bad, and the opposite of what they should be doing.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure when I checked you can turn windows update off. Maybe this is an older picture compilation. Will double check tonight and report.

Stuff like the files automatically syncing seems to only be when you actually register your PC to a microsoft e.g. hotmail email address. I did mine but there's no reason to and it's not in your face or anything.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 31, 2015, 04:08:03 pm
Sorry for chainposting.

Might be a DNS problem then. When you manually configure an IP, use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as DNS, those are from Google.

Yeah i tried basically everything auto dns, manual dns, auto ip, manual ip.. when on auto ip ipconfig wont show a default gateway and when on manual ip it connects and says that it has connection but no internet works.:(
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kafein on July 31, 2015, 04:11:59 pm
Windows 10 by default steals your upload bandwidth in peer to peer to stream its updates to other windows 10 users, including outside of your local network: http://www.forbes.com/technology/trending/
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2015, 04:43:47 pm
If they continue this way, we won't have to worry about them and actions (like forcing Edge on users despite previous punishment for doing that). Fuckers finally started bleeding, few more "smart" moves like buying Nokia and they'll go down under.

Staying on Win7, waiting for Saint Gabe to kick their arse hard in gaming segment and obliterate need for DirectX 12.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: darmaster on July 31, 2015, 04:48:04 pm
If they continue this way, we won't have to worry about them and actions (like forcing Edge on users despite previous punishment for doing that). Fuckers finally started bleeding, few more "smart" moves like buying Nokia and they'll go down under.

Staying on Win7, waiting for Saint Gabe to kick their arse hard in gaming segment and obliterate need for DirectX 12.

good luck with that, apparently they're going to abandon the console world after being fucked up by playstation and focus on pc and mobile gaming only
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: LordBerenger on July 31, 2015, 05:52:40 pm
good luck with that, apparently they're going to abandon the console world after being fucked up by playstation and focus on pc and mobile gaming only

Yes pls. Xbox sucks nowadays. Let Playstation and Nintendo rule the console market and Windows can go fight Steam instead.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2015, 06:00:11 pm
good luck with that, apparently they're going to abandon the console world after being fucked up by playstation and focus on pc and mobile gaming only

They won't do that. Xbox is generating profit. Actually Microsoft Xbox & Gaming division made profit while SCE (Sony Computer Entertainment, console divison) had huge loss last quarter because of SOE (now called Daybreak). But in general Microsoft had few billions loss last quarter because of Nokia. Wonder when they will decide to show loss they will most certainly have because of splashing stupid money on Minecraft.

Microsoft is terrible at buying other companies but so far they could get away with it because their profit was sky high. That isn't the case anymore and latest moves were really beefy buys which left them wounded temporarily.

They need Windows 10 to be huge success, otherwise everybody in PC business will suffer (OEMs are suffering already because PC's aren't selling well).

In other news, Valve is making shitload of money.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2015, 06:04:02 pm
Nintendo rule the console market.

Nintendo is a fucking joke these days. They sold only 10 million units of that crap Wii U. That console should be discontinued.

Last time console sold 10 million units in three years on market, it went down. And it was actually the best console of its generation, not crap like Wii U. Poor Dreamcast, you deserved better.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on July 31, 2015, 06:53:50 pm
Yeah i tried basically everything auto dns, manual dns, auto ip, manual ip.. when on auto ip ipconfig wont show a default gateway and when on manual ip it connects and says that it has connection but no internet works.:(

So I just did a fresh install of w10 (finaly) and I had the same problem, using the buildin diagnosis tool fixed it though. It said my default gateway was unreachable although I had everything configured just fine.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kafein on July 31, 2015, 06:55:57 pm
Nintendo is a fucking joke these days. They sold only 10 million units of that crap Wii U. That console should be discontinued.

Last time console sold 10 million units in three years on market, it went down. And it was actually the best console of its generation, not crap like Wii U. Poor Dreamcast, you deserved better.

The Wii U is actually the best console of this generation for some people due to its decent lineup. Nintendo games are rarely bad, despite being iterative.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: darmaster on July 31, 2015, 07:31:50 pm
Yes pls. Xbox sucks nowadays. Let Playstation and Nintendo rule the console market and Windows can go fight Steam instead.

Console market is going to die, theyre born already obsolete; people are different from 2001 ans they know what a graphic card is (more or less)

They won't do that. Xbox is generating profit. Actually Microsoft Xbox & Gaming division made profit while SCE (Sony Computer Entertainment, console divison) had huge loss last quarter because of SOE (now called Daybreak). But in general Microsoft had few billions loss last quarter because of Nokia. Wonder when they will decide to show loss they will most certainly have because of splashing stupid money on Minecraft.

Microsoft is terrible at buying other companies but so far they could get away with it because their profit was sky high. That isn't the case anymore and latest moves were really beefy buys which left them wounded temporarily.

They need Windows 10 to be huge success, otherwise everybody in PC business will suffer (OEMs are suffering already because PC's aren't selling well).

In other news, Valve is making shitload of money.

They should and most likely will; they took a good step forward by sharing xone and pc exclusives
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2015, 07:38:21 pm
They have shown Forza 5 running on DX11 last year I think, on Gamescom. They also said that Windows 7 will come with Halo 3 or 4. They say a lot of things, very few tend to be true.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2015, 07:44:46 pm
The Wii U is actually the best console of this generation for some people due to its decent lineup. Nintendo games are rarely bad, despite being iterative.

Maybe, but that's mostly because apart from Forza 5 and Bloodborne Sony/MS exclusives of this generation suck. Dreamcast had strong exclusives too, NBA 2K was born on that console. Also Shenmue.

Exclusives these days are iterations of some long going series. There isn't a new and exciting game on any of consoles, that is reserved for PC these days.

Mario games are great but I'm not 12 anymore. For multiplatforms Wii U sucks because it is very weak hardware wise.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on July 31, 2015, 07:50:42 pm
So apparently you need to upgrade your current windows 7/8 first to get a key and then perform a clean install if you want one.
Please tell me I'm wrong  :cry:

I just performed a clean install without upgrading first, I could skip the activation part, but now I can't activate at all, although I thought Microsoft said they'd store the hardware ID on their servers and fix the key that way?!

pl0x help
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 31, 2015, 10:33:21 pm
So I just did a fresh install of w10 (finaly) and I had the same problem, using the buildin diagnosis tool fixed it though. It said my default gateway was unreachable although I had everything configured just fine.

Well ive gotten to a point where i am reciving packets but icant load a website. ipv4 is connected but ipv6 i have no idea how to set up and thats the one it says is not connected.

actually strike that its FUBAR. An official windows update killed my computer. Never update ever again.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Andswaru on July 31, 2015, 10:56:22 pm
Dreamcast had strong exclusives too, NBA 2K was born on that console. Also Shenmue.

Why no love for Toy Commander, best game ever.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kafein on August 01, 2015, 12:44:53 am
Maybe, but that's mostly because apart from Forza 5 and Bloodborne Sony/MS exclusives of this generation suck. Dreamcast had strong exclusives too, NBA 2K was born on that console. Also Shenmue.

Exclusives these days are iterations of some long going series. There isn't a new and exciting game on any of consoles, that is reserved for PC these days.

Mario games are great but I'm not 12 anymore. For multiplatforms Wii U sucks because it is very weak hardware wise.

For multi-platforms I have a PC. All consoles are very weak hardware wise, yet even though it's weaker, the Wii U manages to have better exclusives.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: pogosan on August 01, 2015, 06:36:50 pm
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on August 01, 2015, 08:14:06 pm
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-07/windows-10-spieler-test-amd-nvidia-geschwindigkeit/

Scroll down the site to the bottom for performance comparisons between Win7, Win8 and Win10.
Lots of games gain performance - some noticable, some not - on Win10 even when running on DX11.

Noticed for example a big boost in Dying Light and Far Cry 4 myself. Especially FarCry 4 is running way better now.

Edit: That Torrent-upload thing was the first option I turned off after install...
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: pogosan on August 01, 2015, 08:58:50 pm
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Cyber on August 02, 2015, 12:23:25 am
I'm still contemplating whether I should update my XP to 7 or wait a few years.

Thoughts?

Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on August 02, 2015, 12:30:49 am
I'm still contemplating whether I should update my XP to 7 or wait a few years.

Thoughts?

I'd roll back to good old 95  :lol:
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Nehvar on August 02, 2015, 05:29:39 pm
I think I'll stick with 7 until I'm forced to "upgrade".  I don't like all the integrated spyware in 10.  Even if you turn it all off the plumbing is still there to be exploited.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Ikarus on August 02, 2015, 05:40:56 pm
why should I switch to 10 when 7 works perfectly fine for me?

no thanks
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: pogosan on August 02, 2015, 06:04:05 pm
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on August 03, 2015, 09:39:57 am
This might be interesting for people with privacy concerns:
https://i.imgur.com/iHge6RJ.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/iHge6RJ.jpg)
http://imgur.com/gallery/oQDnY
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on August 03, 2015, 09:51:56 am
Wonder if anyone made the effort to make those exact same pics about Android, iTunes and basically any other more complex piece of electronics :lol:
That crap is everywhere by now...

Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: pogosan on August 03, 2015, 11:56:47 am
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on August 03, 2015, 12:14:04 pm
Changed my mind about Edge and going back to Chrome for now. It works great for a certain period but sometimes buttons on webpages stop working or it spazzes out when you watch videos. It's a bit too buggy to use as a main browser.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: darmaster on August 03, 2015, 12:42:13 pm
why should I switch to 10 when 7 works perfectly fine for me?

no thanks

You do know that's not a good reason ikarus S: ?
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on August 03, 2015, 01:50:02 pm
why should I switch to 10 when 7 works perfectly fine for me?

no thanks

This exactly. Plus I would never jump on it before all of its shenanigans are discovered and laid bare before my eyes. Also, call me a conspiracy theoretician but it really sounds so damn fishy that Microsoft ends up handing out its shit for free.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on August 03, 2015, 02:21:31 pm
Because it is newer, faster, has DX12, sleeker design, etc etc etc.

If I'm not mistaken, upgrading also nets you a legit Windows 10 license, regardless of whether or not you upgrade from legit or pirated.

Also, Mahjong + Solitaire collection, fuck.

Why free? As i see it, MS wants as many people as possible to switch to 10, to become users of Microsoft Store, buying apps from that. That thing never really took off with Win8, after all, yet is still a mostly untapped and possibly highly lucrative business opportunity.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Vibe on August 03, 2015, 02:27:02 pm
sleeker design

I find the design of 8 and 10 horrible, it just screams mobile.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Overdriven on August 03, 2015, 02:34:28 pm
Also if the majority of people switch it gives them a good reason to stop supporting older OS's, like they did with XP, which will save them money in the long run. Seeing as this is meant to be an OS that will carry on far into the future encouraging people to switch for free so they can focus on this instead makes sense.

No doubt they will release some better shinier Windows devices in the future as well to encourage people to utilise full integration of devices, similar to how Apple work. I imagine they are gunning for the if someone has an iphone they will want all Apple products style line. Once people figure out the Windows features more it may actually work.

I find the design of 8 and 10 horrible, it just screams mobile.

I like it. More modern.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on August 03, 2015, 02:51:35 pm
8 and 8.1 definitely screamed mobile but 10? I'd say that's the right course. It's clearly going to be compatible with all the win10 variants even down to the tiling system on xbone.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Guray on August 03, 2015, 02:56:42 pm
Yes, when you upgrade they add your PC to a whitelist on their servers (hardware based, I guess) and activate a generic license. When you do a clean install you just skip entering the key, and it will automatically activate when you go online.
Motherboard based.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Vibe on August 03, 2015, 03:25:50 pm
8 and 8.1 definitely screamed mobile but 10? I'd say that's the right course. It's clearly going to be compatible with all the win10 variants even down to the tiling system on xbone.

I don't know, I just checked a few screens. still has those huge colorful windows
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on August 03, 2015, 04:04:13 pm
Naw. It has modes for mobile use, i guess, but the desktop mode is... well, it's a desktop mode, none of that awful full-screen app nonsense, that W8 had.

Am i the only one disappointed in the command prompt? I thought it was supposed to have proper copy-paste and other features. All i could see was that you can now resize the window, it has word wrap and you can paste with ctrl+v...
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on August 03, 2015, 04:11:15 pm
I don't know, I just checked a few screens. still has those huge colorful windows
Can change the size of them so they're little. Or huge.

Motherboard based.
Probably MAC address?

If so does that mean I'll need a new key if I get a new motherboard... That'll be a pain in a few years.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: pogosan on August 03, 2015, 04:13:53 pm
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Guray on August 03, 2015, 05:06:52 pm
Can change the size of them so they're little. Or huge.
Probably MAC address?

If so does that mean I'll need a new key if I get a new motherboard... That'll be a pain in a few years.
Yes. If you change your motherboard u will need a new key
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on August 03, 2015, 05:17:19 pm
Have to correct myself about collecting data...
This telemetry collection thing is bad. You can't turn it off unless you have the enterprise version. Otherwise "simple" is the 'lowest' option.
You can turn it off by editing the registry tho. But there are a lot of users who wouldn't nor shouldn't touch 'regedit'.

That's just bad. They're sending data about 'app' (I'll always call it program on a desktop pc) usage constantly. To monitor 'apps' performing and working properly. I don't want that.
I made big steps towards having a fully legit software setup but there are like 2 or 3 'apps' with a "different" licence. I don't want those monitored :P

Well, made the 'regedit' and altered the properties of 2 service tasks and it's gone now. Just... lame...
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Alec on August 03, 2015, 06:02:35 pm
Yes. If you change your motherboard u will need a new key

Once it is installed, you can change hardware. You can't however, make hardware changes during the upgrade from 7/8 to 10.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kafein on August 03, 2015, 06:43:29 pm
Instead of going "Windows Free", I'm upgrading with this bad boy: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-750-series.html


When I have the money though.

Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on August 04, 2015, 06:16:42 pm
Installing windows 10 fixed my computer finally, i swear i nearly broke my desk when i was completely locked out of internet by a fucking windows update.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: LordBerenger on August 04, 2015, 07:33:50 pm
Windows 10 is life and Windows 10 is love

Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Xant on August 05, 2015, 07:20:37 am
http://imgur.com/gallery/I8u2G

"Also pointed out to me by user paranoiasavedthecat, is that these programs will reactivate themselves after a Windows Update, or even by themselves after a set period of time. If you didn't know, updates are mandatory, so get used to disabling them I guess. "

Amazing job, Microsoft.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on August 05, 2015, 08:54:20 am
Instead of going "Windows Free", I'm upgrading with this bad boy: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-750-series.html


When I have the money though.

Could you not upgrade to 10 then when you switch to the SSD just clone the hard drive?

Also I got a 1TB Samsung 850 Evo. Having a big SSD is amazing, game loading times just plummeted.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on August 05, 2015, 09:31:24 am
http://imgur.com/gallery/I8u2G

"Also pointed out to me by user paranoiasavedthecat, is that these programs will reactivate themselves after a Windows Update, or even by themselves after a set period of time. If you didn't know, updates are mandatory, so get used to disabling them I guess. "

Amazing job, Microsoft.
http://imgur.com/gallery/oQDnY
Come on, now. Any Google product collects a lot more stuff on you and actually associates it with your name, rather than just a Marketing ID.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kafein on August 05, 2015, 05:02:50 pm
Come on, now. Any Google product collects a lot more stuff on you and actually associates it with your name, rather than just a Marketing ID.

Yes, and Hitler gassed gypsies. I don't see your point.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Xant on August 05, 2015, 05:55:04 pm
Yes, and einstein gassed gypsies. I don't see your point.
I think you're confusing Einstein with someone else.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on August 05, 2015, 06:25:51 pm
Yes, and einstein gassed gypsies. I don't see your point.
The point is, everyone is calling MS the devil and there's a shitstorm being raised by this scaremongering, whilst all that MS is doing is joining in on the whole personalized ads thing (and doing that mildly), that others have been doing for almost a decade now.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Dooz on August 05, 2015, 06:48:47 pm
yeah, we should all join the n@zi party, everyone's doin it!

HEIL ADWARE
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: cmp on August 05, 2015, 06:57:11 pm
The point is, everyone is calling MS the devil and there's a shitstorm being raised by this scaremongering, whilst all that MS is doing is joining in on the whole personalized ads thing (and doing that mildly), that others have been doing for almost a decade now.

Google and others do it: no reaction
Microsoft does it: omg, evil, nazi, hitler, you can't do it just because others do it
Google and others do it even more: no reaction

Yep.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on August 05, 2015, 07:07:50 pm
yeah, we should all join the n@zi party, everyone's doin it!

HEIL ADWARE
But you already are in the n@zi party, you're just upset that there's another, smaller one somewhere else. It's called hypocrisy. Or, in this case, mass hysteria over nothing.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: LordBerenger on August 05, 2015, 07:22:52 pm
But Google is masterrace.

I wish Google bought Microsoft, Apple, Disney, McDonalds, Coca Cola and Warner Bros (+ DC ) + Sony + Nintendo
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Dooz on August 05, 2015, 07:48:43 pm
But you already are in the n@zi party, you're just upset that there's another, smaller one somewhere else. It's called hypocrisy. Or, in this case, mass hysteria over nothing.

yeah, i'm not google. i'm a subject of the n@zi regime and have limited recourse of escape. meanwhile you're suggesting all parties merge into the n@zi party or adopt their practices, because hey that's how it is, right?
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Turkhammer on August 05, 2015, 07:54:35 pm
Made an USB-stick as upgrade device and using that way to upgrade right in this moment (checking for updates atm).
Haven't tried any of the previews, neither watched any of those videos. Going out on a limb now :D

Molly, how did you make the USB stick as an upgrade device?  Are there instructions and the opportunity to do it after downloading win 10 and while upgrading from win 7? 

I assume that with the USB stick you'll be able to reinstall win 10 if you build a new pc later on.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on August 05, 2015, 09:09:00 pm
Molly, how did you make the USB stick as an upgrade device?  Are there instructions and the opportunity to do it after downloading win 10 and while upgrading from win 7? 

I assume that with the USB stick you'll be able to reinstall win 10 if you build a new pc later on.
I posted a link somewhere. You can download from MS a file, something with "Media Creation Installer" thing, which then downloads the image and creates a bootable usb device... or instantly starts the upgrade.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: pogosan on August 07, 2015, 07:45:57 pm
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kafein on August 07, 2015, 08:08:51 pm
The point is, everyone is calling MS the devil and there's a shitstorm being raised by this scaremongering, whilst all that MS is doing is joining in on the whole personalized ads thing (and doing that mildly), that others have been doing for almost a decade now.

Erm, no. What we're doing is telling people not to "upgrade" to Windows 10. Or at least knowing full well they're giving up much control over their computer.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: darmaster on August 07, 2015, 10:34:31 pm
Agree with kafein, my desktop background by default afyer the update is fishy

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on August 07, 2015, 11:02:53 pm
If they are going to adapt ads to what i enjoy fine, i wish spotify would do the same, fuckers play ads on everything but the music i enjoy.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Andswaru on August 07, 2015, 11:11:08 pm
Erm, no. What we're doing is telling people not to "upgrade" to Windows 10. Or at least knowing full well they're giving up much control over their computer.

The moment the average person opens his internet browser they dont realise that whichever search engine they use collects their data.They are definately the lesser of 2 evils when put inside the same galaxy as google.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kafein on August 08, 2015, 12:46:47 am
The moment the average person opens his internet browser they dont realise that whichever search engine they use collects their data.They are definately the lesser of 2 evils when put inside the same galaxy as google.

I won't comment on that. It seems to me that Windows 10 has serious problems not related to privacy as well.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: cmp on August 08, 2015, 02:18:55 am
I was skeptical because of Windows 8, but after trying it it seems a solid OS with a couple quirks. Definitely worth the upgrade.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Smoothrich on August 08, 2015, 09:01:25 am
But Google is masterrace.

I wish Google bought Microsoft, Apple, Disney, McDonalds, Coca Cola and Warner Bros (+ DC ) + Sony + Nintendo

I say "fuck Google!" outloud almost daily in my real life. So much BS from that company nowadays. They are worse than Microsoft ever was with how they have been cutting everyone else out of the Googleverse of apps, clients, Youtube, etc. God only knows how much data they've accumulated on everyone while people are too busy bitching about the NSA and illegal wiretapping while Google is probably selling people's identity straight to the Chinese and Russians for profit. If anyone is going to fuck up humanity with some Skynet bullshit it'll be them.

Also I've been using Windows 10 for months in the Insider program. Pro OS. If you have any compatibily problems on Steam be sure to verify your game's cache and reinstall DirectX 9.0C June 2010 or w/e is the newest. Shogun 2 requires compatibility mode to run DX11 but I've had no other issues.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on August 08, 2015, 09:18:52 am
I was skeptical because of Windows 8, but after trying it it seems a solid OS with a couple quirks. Definitely worth the upgrade.
The 2 separate system control panels are one of those quirks... freaking annoying.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: kwhy on August 09, 2015, 09:25:18 pm
The 2 separate system control panels are one of those quirks... freaking annoying.

yeah I don't like this whole sub divide between apps and programs and the varying control panels or *app menus*.   It is like MS has dumbed down the OS (started with 8) with simpler menus and then left off any of the really important items you need access to which is hidden away on the control panel and other various older menus.   For example Windows update has been removed from the control panel in win 10 now and you have to use the *app* settings menu now I think.

 The only good thing about win 10 is now those menus aren't full screen at least.

I loaded up my surface pro and another tablet from 8.1 to 10 and it was fairly quick since the files were all downloaded.  It probably took about 20-30 mins to load up then you have to spend time *fine tuning* or turning off all the privacy crap. 

I don't need Cortana and don't care to search the web from my start bar, don't need edge, don't care for any of the standard apps ect.  I already have a virtual desktop switcher, but that is probably the only big innovation IMO.

One annoyance was my Start Menu from 8.1 was erased which consisted of a lot of shortcuts to programs and other network drives.  So I will need to rebuild that.

The new start Menu is better not being fullscreen, but I rarely even used that in the first place.

Some simple things like being able to easily slide the brightness from the charm is now gone in win 10 and you have to either use the set intervals or load up the settings panel is a step back.  On a tablet I don't like the location of the keyboard
icon on the taskbar to activate it (not sure that cant be moved)

I don't know if I'm going to load up win 10 on my gaming machine yet.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on August 14, 2015, 03:42:31 pm
Google and others do it: no reaction
Microsoft does it: omg, evil, nazi, hitler, you can't do it just because others do it
Google and others do it even more: no reaction

Yep.

Google does it in subtle way, analyzing big data and making profiles for each of us.

This...

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is more KGB style.Not surprised though, Microsoft were never known for being subtle. They represent lumberjack or butcher in world of software, they even had one to physically represent them for years.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: cmp on August 14, 2015, 04:55:54 pm
lmao that info is so fake that not even Stallman could keep a straight face while reading it
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2015, 05:58:18 pm
My common sense is tickling...

Why would they even do that crap? They literally only have shit to lose.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on August 14, 2015, 06:30:22 pm
Because they want to be better than Google at it and earn shitload of money Google is currently earning by spying customers and selling their data. Only way to be better in this game is to be more intrusive.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on August 14, 2015, 06:34:37 pm
lmao that info is so fake that not even Stallman could keep a straight face while reading it

That is tl;dr version. This article is source: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Faeronet.cz%2Fnews%2Fanalyza-windows-10-ve-svem-principu-jde-o-pouhy-terminal-na-sber-informaci-o-uzivateli-jeho-prstech-ocich-a-hlasu%2F

Another article: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Rhekimos on August 14, 2015, 07:16:36 pm
Microsoft doing something stupid that alienates users and will hardly even make that much of a profit? Unthinkable!

That said, the Czech article looks like a sensational jump-to-conclusions party, with some paranoia for flavor.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: cmp on August 14, 2015, 08:48:21 pm
That is tl;dr version. This article is source: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Faeronet.cz%2Fnews%2Fanalyza-windows-10-ve-svem-principu-jde-o-pouhy-terminal-na-sber-informaci-o-uzivateli-jeho-prstech-ocich-a-hlasu%2F

Another article: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/

Second article looks genuine, and it pretty much describes what everybody (Google, Apple, Microsoft...) does nowadays.
First article is 100% tinfoil hatter bullshit. If it was true you would be reading it on every news site by now, there are a lot of skilled hackers/reverse engineers who find stuff like that immediately.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on August 15, 2015, 10:40:14 am
Yea, if it was true, it would have been all over IT news in an instant.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on September 13, 2015, 05:25:58 pm
http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/09/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-pcs-even-if-you-dont-reserve-a-copy/

lel
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on September 18, 2015, 03:24:08 pm
Ok so i go out for 40 minutes, come back, try to launch a game again, see that its missing executable. Wut. Go to My Computer, have a crapton of space free, check windows.old folder, completely empty. So everything was completely cleaned out, without me even being at the computer. No viruses as i scan regularly, and im pretty sure my automatic updates are disabled. What the fuck. I have to reinstall so much shit...
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: LordBerenger on September 18, 2015, 03:48:18 pm
If Steam supported Linux even more with all games I'd switch so hard.
(CBA Wine)
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on September 18, 2015, 04:14:41 pm
Wine is shit for games anyway, too much hassle and performance is not the best. There is wrapper called eon, developed by some company who is porting windows games. At first it was utter garbage. They ported Witcher 2 using it and game was completely unplayable, four times lower fps (10-20 on any PC) and bunch of crashes, many couldn't even start the game.

Linux users tend to be pretentious assholes and hate proprietary software, especially wrappers. Backslash was brutal, most companies would pack the bags and show middle finger to tiny Linux community. However these guys apologized and went to work. Many patches after, Witcher 2 works fine with 10% lower fps than Windows version.

Many games were ported afterwards using eon, there were input related problems and occasional freezes in some games. Their latest port was especially hard task to deal with, infamous unoptimized game called ARMA 3. Linux users were prepared for failure, considering how demanding game on Windows is. Result is something else, same average fps as on Windows (max fps is often lesser on linux but min fps tend to be much higher). Some of eon games have even better fps than Windows games. That is exceptional result because they are using wrapper. If Valve means serious with SteamOS, they'll give even more benefits to developers so they pay eon to port rest of games in Steam library.

New games can use Vulkan, but we'll see how developers will react to it. Currently they only talk about DX12. EA, Ubisoft and Activision don't seem to be interested in Linux at all but that will change if they see Valve making money with it.

Valve's Dota 2 on Source 2 engine works considerably faster on OpenGL than either DX API. At end of the year they'll develop Vulkan API which should give even better fps. It isn't matter can gaming experience be good or better on Linux than it is on Windows, It is just about money taking Microsoft does every time they feel threatened,
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on September 18, 2015, 04:18:06 pm
Ok so i go out for 40 minutes, come back, try to launch a game again, see that its missing executable. Wut. Go to My Computer, have a crapton of space free, check windows.old folder, completely empty. So everything was completely cleaned out, without me even being at the computer. No viruses as i scan regularly, and im pretty sure my automatic updates are disabled. What the fuck. I have to reinstall so much shit...
Windows.old will be deleted after 30 days or something of Windows 10 usage.
Commonly known, really.

Not having a prompt is bad tho...
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Leshma on September 18, 2015, 04:22:37 pm
Software that tend to do things on its own without asking for user's permission is called malware.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on September 18, 2015, 04:24:52 pm
Windows.old will be deleted after 30 days or something of Windows 10 usage.
Commonly known, really.

Not having a prompt is bad tho...

Really? I had no idea of this. Well, shit is gone now.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on September 18, 2015, 04:27:37 pm
I'm actually surprised that it just deletes itself without saying anything.
My guess is that it was deleted during boot up. Any chance you overlooked some prompt when shutting down the time before this happens?

I have a hard time believing that they wouldn't ask for access permission.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on September 18, 2015, 04:55:26 pm
I'm actually surprised that it just deletes itself without saying anything.
My guess is that it was deleted during boot up. Any chance you overlooked some prompt when shutting down the time before this happens?

I have a hard time believing that they wouldn't ask for access permission.

I didnt shut down when it happened, i was playing a game, quit and left the computer on when i went out, came back and couldnt launch the same game because everything was gone..
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Post by: [ptx] on September 18, 2015, 05:38:54 pm
Why would a game be in Windows.old anyway?
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on September 18, 2015, 05:43:11 pm
Why would a game be in Windows.old anyway?

Most stuff i had pre-upgrade was put in windows.old, like all the games.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on September 18, 2015, 05:50:11 pm
Huh. I only got Windows related stuff put there.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Molly on September 18, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Isn't the old "program files" folder in there too?
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: [ptx] on September 18, 2015, 06:09:00 pm
Nope. Mine remained where they were. I deleted that folder after a couple of days. Nothing lost.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Vibe on September 23, 2015, 10:55:41 am
I gave Edge a fair chance but as it is it's just too retarded. New tab defaults cursor focus to that fucking search thing instead of the address bar, and on top of that you have to click twice to start typing in it...

Not to mention you can't change download folder without changing the damn registry.
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Post by: Molly on September 23, 2015, 11:08:46 am
Yea, tried it at the beginning too but there is just too much lacking atm compared to my favourite Firefox.
Edge is fairly quick and style-wise I like it too but features are missing.

One big thing for me is the lack of 'dynamic bookmarks' - the possibility to have rss feeds as drop-down list is awesome and for me personally a killer feature.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on September 30, 2015, 01:35:51 am
I had the opportunity to test W10 on my brother's computer last week and it responded to everything quite faster than my current Win 7. I really liked that and to be honest, I am already kind of sold. Still I wanted to ask you guys one last time:

Should I take the nose dive into this? Will I, if I do take the step forward, have the means to get rid of at least some of the privacy concerns (yeah, I know Google etc. does it and we all lose our minds when Windows does the same)? I would just like to hear what you guys have to say, now that some of you have already been using it for a while.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Vibe on September 30, 2015, 11:53:21 am
I had the opportunity to test W10 on my brother's computer last week and it responded to everything quite faster than my current Win 7. I really liked that and to be honest, I am already kind of sold. Still I wanted to ask you guys one last time:

Should I take the nose dive into this? Will I, if I do take the step forward, have the means to get rid of at least some of the privacy concerns (yeah, I know Google etc. does it and we all lose our minds when Windows does the same)? I would just like to hear what you guys have to say, now that some of you have already been using it for a while.

You can disable most data collection in the settings.

"Responded to everything quite faster" is weird though. Windows 7 is not slow by any means even on shit machines. Are you sure it wasn't the fresh OS installation that was the reason everything responded faster? If so you can just clean up the garbage on your computer, or perhaps even format the hd and do a new installation with Win7 (or 10).
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Post by: darmaster on September 30, 2015, 12:26:27 pm
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Edge looks fine, missing ad block tho
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Post by: Daunt_Flockula on September 30, 2015, 02:18:42 pm
You can disable most data collection in the settings.

"Responded to everything quite faster" is weird though. Windows 7 is not slow by any means even on shit machines. Are you sure it wasn't the fresh OS installation that was the reason everything responded faster? If so you can just clean up the garbage on your computer, or perhaps even format the hd and do a new installation with Win7 (or 10).

Win 7 is indeed not slow. Not at all. I just noticed that prefetching (not really sure this is the correct term) was a lot better on 10. That may just be me liking the looks of it and falsely feeling that way though.
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Post by: Leshma on September 30, 2015, 02:41:55 pm
Edge looks fine, missing ad block tho

Microsoft is kinda dumb for not going into full scale war while they have the chance. Their business, no matter how hard they tried to grow it, isn't advertising. That is Google's turf. And best way to hurt Google who tries to hurt you back all the time, is to implement state-of-the-art ad blocking software right into Windows 10. Many companies would be pissed, but who gives a shit if they are nothing but peons of huge Google's ad machine.

That is exactly what I would do if I was in Nadella's place. Google is now in very vulnerable state because Android development, their golden goose, is stagnating big time.

Instead they are trying to mimic Google with tracking and selling adds where theylll will never be as successful, that way alienating their customers.
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Post by: Kafein on September 30, 2015, 10:11:30 pm
Microsoft is kinda dumb for not going into full scale war while they have the chance. Their business, no matter how hard they tried to grow it, isn't advertising. That is Google's turf. And best way to hurt Google who tries to hurt you back all the time, is to implement state-of-the-art ad blocking software right into Windows 10. Many companies would be pissed, but who gives a shit if they are nothing but peons of huge Google's ad machine.

That is exactly what I would do if I was in Nadella's place. Google is now in very vulnerable state because Android development, their golden goose, is stagnating big time.

Instead they are trying to mimic Google with tracking and selling adds where theylll will never be as successful, that way alienating their customers.

Lately I've been impressed with the direction Apple has been taking. And coming from me, that means something. If anything, the absence of an ad blocker in Edge seems to be the whole point.
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Post by: Leshma on September 30, 2015, 10:48:01 pm
Is that a typo? You wanted to say Microsoft instead of Apple, right?

I'm not sure do I like their direction. On mobile they started by copying iOS, now they are trying to earn money same way Android does. They are just a follower and I'm not fan of copycats. Also, whole Windows universal apps idea has been blatantly copied from Canonical.

Still waiting for massive breakthrough in software usage, we are kinda in some form of slump for decades. Nothing fundamentally changed or improved.
Title: Re: Windows 10 rollout started...
Post by: Kafein on October 01, 2015, 08:03:22 pm
I don't mind people copying good ideas as long as the implementation is good too. What I meant is that Apple has been doing a real effort towards actual privacy at least when it comes to some mobile functionalities.
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Post by: MiniPrima on October 02, 2015, 08:38:59 pm
I had the opportunity to test W10 on my brother's computer last week and it responded to everything quite faster than my current Win 7. I really liked that and to be honest, I am already kind of sold. Still I wanted to ask you guys one last time:

Should I take the nose dive into this? Will I, if I do take the step forward, have the means to get rid of at least some of the privacy concerns (yeah, I know Google etc. does it and we all lose our minds when Windows does the same)? I would just like to hear what you guys have to say, now that some of you have already been using it for a while.

it's ok, cRPG lags a little but not really somehow i dunno, but it's fine, in fact, i'd rather have windows 10 than 7, and i'm in love with 7, there's a couple of annoying things, notably the bright grey and black, you'll get it soon, it's the color of the tab thing, and the undertab thing, i dunno compooters, but it's ok, might as well try, don't kill me if anything wrong happens

in total, it's good, but slightly annoying sometimes, i couldn't care less, cause all i do is play most of the time, and browse on chrome, edge is great but not really, but its fine, might as well try but not really cause win7 is great but it's gonna be outdated soon but might as wait till they fix everything but it doesn't bother me kinda but its ok
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on October 02, 2015, 08:54:16 pm
So bottom line: It's ok but not really, right?
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Post by: Siiem on October 02, 2015, 08:56:39 pm
Meh
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Post by: Daunt_Flockula on October 02, 2015, 10:49:59 pm
it's ok, cRPG lags a little but not really somehow i dunno, but it's fine, in fact, i'd rather have windows 10 than 7, and i'm in love with 7, there's a couple of annoying things, notably the bright grey and black, you'll get it soon, it's the color of the tab thing, and the undertab thing, i dunno compooters, but it's ok, might as well try, don't kill me if anything wrong happens

in total, it's good, but slightly annoying sometimes, i couldn't care less, cause all i do is play most of the time, and browse on chrome, edge is great but not really, but its fine, might as well try but not really cause win7 is great but it's gonna be outdated soon but might as wait till they fix everything but it doesn't bother me kinda but its ok


Just the kind of reply I was looking for. A few more of these and I am good to go :D

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Post by: Molly on October 03, 2015, 10:47:31 am
I don't mind people copying good ideas as long as the implementation is good too. What I meant is that Apple has been doing a real effort towards actual privacy at least when it comes to some mobile functionalities.
In all fairness, same goes for Android 5. The added ability to change access rights for every program is well done.

@Daunt: Runs fully smooth for me. Same for crpg, didn't notice any change. On the contrary, there are few high demanding games that actually run noticeably better on Win10 than before (FarCry 4 for example).
Personally, I am very happy with Win10.

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Also, there is this...

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/05/donotspy10-configure-windows-10-privacy-settings/

Oww, about the tool - ad-financed, so keep an eye out during install for search bar installer and these kind of crap. After install, it's fine.
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Post by: Siiem on October 04, 2015, 05:18:48 pm

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/05/donotspy10-configure-windows-10-privacy-settings/

Oww, about the tool - ad-financed, so keep an eye out during install for search bar installer and these kind of crap. After install, it's fine.

Bleh, unless you don't have a google account, facebook account or nothing else this won't matter much. Why is it only when Microsoft does this people get their jimmies rustled?
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Post by: Daunt_Flockula on June 29, 2016, 03:00:53 pm
Rise, oh ye dead thread, rise from your ashes.
(click to show/hide)

Though I resisted the urge after consulting you guys a long while ago, I am beginning to consider going for Win 10 once again.

The main reason is that the free upgrade period is about to end and the whole DX12 business sounds appealing. From what I understand, games made for DX12 will be able to utilize all those idle multiple cores far better.

Anybody care to provide some insight about the feasibility? I mean unless DX12 will be offering considerable boost for games, it isn't worth going for it at this time. I might as well stick to Win 7 forever otherwise.
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Post by: [ptx] on June 29, 2016, 03:09:50 pm
Take care... Switching to Win10 from Win7 is a one-way street. You will never be able to use 7 again without feeling handicapped :)
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Post by: Daunt_Flockula on June 29, 2016, 03:16:12 pm
Take care... Switching to Win10 from Win7 is a one-way street. You will never be able to use 7 again without feeling handicapped :)

I am quite sure of that. It will most certainly turn into a habit and I will not want 7 back. Just like how I eventually dropped XP after a long period of stubornness.

I am more interested about DX12 right now though. Is it really going to be a huge step up? Or should I not care so much about it?
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Post by: Jona on June 29, 2016, 04:23:36 pm
Take care... Switching to Win10 from Win7 is a one-way street. You will never be able to use 7 again without feeling handicapped :)

Able to elaborate at all? What useful features does 10 have that 7 doesn't? So far from my (limited) experience with 10 it seems if anything to be less advanced-user-friendly since it tries to hide all the things you'd want to be able to get to deep inside its menus... heck, even the control panel isn't right there in the start menu anymore.
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Post by: Vibe on June 29, 2016, 04:26:38 pm
Take care to check whether the software you're using works fine in Win 10. I've had some problems with some Oracle software on my work laptop with Win10... then again if you're a pretty basic user this shouldn't concern you anyway
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Post by: [ptx] on June 29, 2016, 04:35:17 pm
Able to elaborate at all? What useful features does 10 have that 7 doesn't? So far from my (limited) experience with 10 it seems if anything to be less advanced-user-friendly since it tries to hide all the things you'd want to be able to get to deep inside its menus... heck, even the control panel isn't right there in the start menu anymore.
As an advanced user, i feel it's the exact opposite. 10 has better keyboard shortcuts and a more powerful search. Hitting Winkey+S, typing in the first 3-5 letters of what you want and hitting Enter is way faster than navigating a start menu with your mouse.
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Post by: Jona on June 29, 2016, 04:39:21 pm
As an advanced user, i feel it's the exact opposite. 10 has better keyboard shortcuts and a more powerful search. Hitting Winkey+S, typing in the first 3-5 letters of what you want and hitting Enter is way faster than navigating a start menu with your mouse.

Fair enough, thanks. I tend to use the mouse over the keyboard in almost anything for one reason or another, even when I have the keyboard shortcuts memorized. Dunno why, just became a habit I guess and I've yet to try too hard to break it.
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Post by: Overdriven on June 29, 2016, 04:45:07 pm
It took a while to get used to everything being a bit more hidden and the immediate menus being only simplistic ones. But once you know where to look for everything, and set the more immediate things as quick links on the start menu, it's actually quite nice and streamlined.

Like any OS it just takes a bit of playing around.
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Post by: Gurgumul on June 29, 2016, 05:08:10 pm
Why 10 if you can have 8.1? 10 is pretty much 8.1 but with additional bad stuff.
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Post by: Overdriven on June 29, 2016, 05:15:38 pm
Windows 10 is free.
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Post by: Ikarus on June 29, 2016, 05:26:01 pm
Quote
Windows 10 is free.
for a limited time

Why 10 if you can have 8.1? 10 is pretty much 8.1 but with additional bad stuff.
directx12 is win10 exclusive and some games will need it to run. I yet only know one game which needs win10 and that´s Quantum Break (Publisher: Microsoft Studio, OH BOY WHAT A SURPRISE). I´ll stick to win7 until there are a couple of games I absolutely have to play. I really hope other publishers won´t follow that directx12 aka win10 bondage that fast. And when that day comes I hope there will be enough software to break and adapt that OS enough so a) I got full control over my system and not the win10 "we install some stuff for you/we take control so you don´t have to think" policy
b) cut off all their pesky information-jewing software and not simply "disable" a tiny bit of it

In a nutshell: Don´t force yourself to get the free version. Since a huge amount of people have it anyways now, there probably will be enough chances lateron where you´ll be able to get it for free, be it special offers or whatsoever
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Post by: Daunt_Flockula on June 29, 2016, 06:06:15 pm
Yeah, I know that currently there are just few showcase games relying on DX12. I kind of fear that games published later will jump on the Win10 bandwagon and force me to eventually get it. And if this entire "utilize all cores" thing becomes real, it will be really useful.

About software compatibility, Office applications and Adobe Reader are pretty much everything I need. I doubt those would give me any trouble.
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Post by: Leshma on June 29, 2016, 08:51:35 pm
I don't need those, my part time job is software dev and tools exist on every operating system. Considering steep prices of hardware, especially GPUs think I'll buy new console instead of gaming PC. Even OKAM has unreasonable hardware reqs, bad optimization is more than a trend for PC games. PS4 Neo will cost me under 600 euros, will offer at least 1080p/60fps gaming for about three years. PSN is 30-40 euro per year, games are discounted on PSN/Amazon just like Steam and preety much every quality game gets made for Playstation and exclusives are just icing on the cake. If Microsoft really push mouse&keyboard support for Xbox One then Sony will do the same. Mods are already big on Xbox One. Apart from really expensive new tech, like Gsync and 144Hz monitors and hardware needed to run that, I don't see what extra will Windows 10 PC gaming offer more than consoles. It will still be premium price wise and hardware capability wise, but will lack triple A exclusive games.

All in all, I haven't migrated to Windows 10 nor I plan to and was just being offered wonderful opportunity to bail out PC gaming scene. Praise you Sony and your decisions to shorten period between two generations and make it more like PC.
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Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on June 29, 2016, 10:41:01 pm
Careful there, Leshma.

It's cheaper but noticably lower quality. My PS4 has had some pretty bad cooling issues and with only one year of warranty I had to take it apart myself, clean it out and replace the thermal compound because it was so badly put on it was 3/4 on the main board 1/4 on the APU. The fans get clogged to shit as well with dust, very quickly. PS4 controllers have terrible battery life, loading times are awful too. Also PS+ has given sweet fuck all in games I've actually wanted to play, all I can think of are Counter-Spy and Limbo plus the PS+ discounts are pretty crap for anything new, 10-15% tops is all I've seen and that's off the £50 retail price.

It is a lot cheaper though and you can tell.

I was leaning down the console route which was why I got one in the first place but the god awful loading times for Bloodborne kept me coming back to my PC and then I got Witcher 3 on it and that was so bad for performance I've given up on it for anything other than exclusive titles. Obviously the Neo could well improve things and I hope it does, competition is always good but at the moment there isn't much. Nintendo isn't a player, Microsoft are a distant second and if the only competitor to my experience with a PS4 is a PC I'm sticking with that.
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Post by: LordBerenger on June 29, 2016, 10:56:28 pm
I don't need those, my part time job is software dev and tools exist on every operating system. Considering steep prices of hardware, especially GPUs think I'll buy new console instead of gaming PC. Even OKAM has unreasonable hardware reqs, bad optimization is more than a trend for PC games. PS4 Neo will cost me under 600 euros, will offer at least 1080p/60fps gaming for about three years. PSN is 30-40 euro per year, games are discounted on PSN/Amazon just like Steam and preety much every quality game gets made for Playstation and exclusives are just icing on the cake. If Microsoft really push mouse&keyboard support for Xbox One then Sony will do the same. Mods are already big on Xbox One. Apart from really expensive new tech, like Gsync and 144Hz monitors and hardware needed to run that, I don't see what extra will Windows 10 PC gaming offer more than consoles. It will still be premium price wise and hardware capability wise, but will lack triple A exclusive games.

All in all, I haven't migrated to Windows 10 nor I plan to and was just being offered wonderful opportunity to bail out PC gaming scene. Praise you Sony and your decisions to shorten period between two generations and make it more like PC.

Sony got some really cool exclusives coming up. Safe to say they're destroying Xbox and everyone else with consoles. And with so many PC games being just lazy ports PS4 isn't such a bad idea. But yeah I'd go for Neo if i'd get one.