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Title: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: POOPHAMMER on December 23, 2013, 02:59:49 pm
how do i not become so fat ughhh
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Corwin on December 23, 2013, 03:02:58 pm
You should poop more.
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Post by: Molly on December 23, 2013, 03:25:44 pm
You should poop more.
Sounds legit.
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Post by: Umbra on December 23, 2013, 03:28:26 pm
By eating more than you spend
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Post by: Vibe on December 23, 2013, 03:31:37 pm
lift
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Post by: Rumblood on December 24, 2013, 12:57:19 am
lift

Negative. Lift simply makes you muscle under armor layered in lots of fat. You need cardio/fat burn exercises.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on December 24, 2013, 01:05:03 am
Take a cleaver to your fatty skin
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Post by: Umbra on December 24, 2013, 01:10:56 am
You want a serious answer?

This is how i lost weight:

Keep it under 130 heart rate and do it for a long time. Doesent matter if its running, cycling or some other machine. Do it for half an hour 1st if you can, then increase it by 5 minutes each training. Alternate between rutines to keep it interesting. My training, at the end of the weight loss period, was 30 minutes running, 40 mins cycling and 20 mins on a stepper, all around 125 heartrate.

How do you know if its fat burn and not cardio? If you can normaly speak while doing it (you are not huffing and puffing) its fat burn.

Buy some l-carnitine, its dirt cheap and it helps. Take 2 pills 30 minutes before each training.

Cut bread and sweets completely out. No exceptions.
When you have lunch, put how much you would normaly eat on a plate. Now eat half of that, eat the other haf in 2 hours. Eat a healthy and large breakfeast, i ate oats and milk with honey. Eat some veggies or fruit for dinner. When you feel hungry drink water, drink shitloads of water all day.

The harders part is maintaining your discipline. You have to reaaaaaly want to lose weight and have strong willpower.
Its not rocket science, its just spending more energy than you put in your mouth.
Good luck
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Post by: LordBerenger on December 24, 2013, 02:05:33 am
You want a serious answer?

This is how i lost weight:

Keep it under 130 heart rate and do it for a long time. Doesent matter if its running, cycling or some other machine. Do it for half an hour 1st if you can, then increase it by 5 minutes each training. Alternate between rutines to keep it interesting. My training, at the end of the weight loss period, was 30 minutes running, 40 mins cycling and 20 mins on a stepper, all around 125 heartrate.

How do you know if its fat burn and not cardio? If you can normaly speak while doing it (you are not huffing and puffing) its fat burn.

Buy some l-carnitine, its dirt cheap and it helps. Take 2 pills 30 minutes before each training.

Cut bread and sweets completely out. No exceptions.
When you have lunch, put how much you would normaly eat on a plate. Now eat half of that, eat the other haf in 2 hours. Eat a healthy and large breakfeast, i ate oats and milk with honey. Eat some veggies or fruit for dinner. When you feel hungry drink water, drink shitloads of water all day.

The harders part is maintaining your discipline. You have to reaaaaaly want to lose weight and have strong willpower.
Its not rocket science, its just spending more energy than you put in your mouth.
Good luck

Seems like you're telling him to do a modified version of HIIT lol. Works tho

Negative. Lift simply makes you muscle under armor layered in lots of fat. You need cardio/fat burn exercises.

Muscle increases your metabolism (although not as much as expected but still a bit and you still waste calories doing so). Everybody makes losing weight so complicated.
What matters is calories in/calories out. If you are below your maintenance calories then you'll lose weight. Above, you'll gain weight.


Might be too annoying for beginners  but measuring/weighing with scales and putting a daily amount of calories per day as maximum of calories allowed will help. 

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
Calculate what your body needs to maintain its current weight, and then reduce with the amount of calories you think is suitable for your weight loss.



If you want to take it even further, write down how much your macros should be per day (fat/carbs/protein) if you find it necessary.
Lose enough weight, start lifting and soon you'll get your shot at Miley Cyrus's.

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Post by: Artyem on December 24, 2013, 02:56:03 am
If you're serious about losing weight, this website (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/) is actually pretty neat.  Helped me out a lot when I was trying to burn off the weight I gained after my surgery.
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Post by: Vibe on December 24, 2013, 08:52:35 am
Negative. Lift simply makes you muscle under armor layered in lots of fat. You need cardio/fat burn exercises.

muscle + fat = bear, and who wouldn't want to be a bear
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Post by: Xant on December 24, 2013, 09:35:24 am
How do you know if its fat burn and not cardio? If you can normaly speak while doing it (you are not huffing and puffing) its fat burn.
Good luck
Huh? Any kind of exercise burns fat. Simple: you use more than you eat, you lose weight.

Best "diet" is just to eat once a day. No need to go about limiting anything. Eat as much bread and whatever you want, doesn't matter, you won't gain weight.
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Post by: Dach on December 24, 2013, 09:36:46 am
Get a fast metabolism nerd, problem solved.  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Umbra on December 24, 2013, 12:13:39 pm
Huh? Any kind of exercise burns fat. Simple: you use more than you eat, you lose weight.

Best "diet" is just to eat once a day. No need to go about limiting anything. Eat as much bread and whatever you want, doesn't matter, you won't gain weight.

Yes, everything burns fat. Breathing, heating your organs, walking. When i say "fat burn" i mean the long, low heart rate exercises that are designed for the specific purpose of burning fat and not for heart exercise or building muscle. You could try going for lifting straight away, but since we are talking about sheeding fat, i tried to share what worked great for me in that regard.

I dont know where you got the info that its best to eat once a day. Whenever i read of a healthly diet to speed up your metabolism it always mentions eating several times a day at least, even 5-6.

The bread/sweet thing worked for me, since i usualy ate on the campus and at home. I couldnt change my diet that dramaticaly since i didnt prepare my own food, so i just cut the most caloric things. If you prepare your own food, you could do wonders. But yea, at the end of the day, as Berenger said: If you are below your maintenance calories then you'll lose weight. Above, you'll gain weight.

Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 24, 2013, 12:39:38 pm
Uh, no it won't. The whole "eat many times a day to speed up your metabolism" thing is mostly a marketing trick. At best it'll burn 10 to 20 calories more. Eating once a day is how our ancestors ate and what our bodies are adapted to.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Leshma on December 24, 2013, 12:59:57 pm
Only difference is that our ancestors mostly ate meat and vegetables. No bread, no white sugar, processed meat and stuff like that.

But I like where you are going with this thread, Xant. Keep up the good work :wink:
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Post by: Torben on December 24, 2013, 01:12:28 pm
umbra is right about fat loss being achieved in that steady state,  as the only energy system being used at that point is the one burning fat.  however it also runs in the background during all the other exercise forms that use other energy systems.
all in all,  if you want to keep it simple,  go with umbra.  why would you want to burn your glycogene or muscle mass,  if your goal is to loose  fat.
also very good hint is the drinking water one:
you have two satiety receptors,  one measuring your blood sugar,  and more importantly here: one in the stomach measuring the stretching of the stomach wall.  so if you drink loads of water,  the latter will tend to be satisfied : )
the former will over all be more satisfied with many smaller meals over the day,  cause your blood sugar levels will be steady,  whilst being too high after a huge meal,  and too low during the rest of the day if you only eat one  meal a day.
also,  one  meal a day can have either good or bad impact on the stomach stretch receptor,  depending on how big or small that one meal is.

xant:  our ancestors werent made to be obese or to actively loose weight,  so that argument doesnt count when we are talking about a fat man wanting to loose weight,  in an environment that isnt comparable to one in which our ancestors lived.  unfortunately.

berenger is on to something as well,  think of it in motorhead terms:  a v12 will burn more gas then a silly lawnmower. if you have bigger muscles,  mearly existing costs more energy the if you have small ones,  not to mention actually moving about  : )
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 24, 2013, 01:33:30 pm
I never said eat many times a day to speed up your metabolism. I personally eat 3, max 4 times a day. It's just unhealthy to eat only once per day, and it will make you gain more fat than eating several meals per day.

Especially combined with training of whatever kind, it would be totally retarded to eat only once per day.
Why, because you said so? In that case, it is unhealthy to eat more than once a day.
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Post by: Umbra on December 24, 2013, 01:46:33 pm
Uh, no it won't. The whole "eat many times a day to speed up your metabolism" thing is mostly a marketing trick. At best it'll burn 10 to 20 calories more. Eating once a day is how our ancestors ate and what our bodies are adapted to.

Marketing trick for what?
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Post by: LordBerenger on December 24, 2013, 01:47:11 pm
Marketing trick for what?

Illuminati merchandise obvs
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Post by: Umbra on December 24, 2013, 01:52:21 pm
Illuminati merchandise obvs

Illuminati approved food for 5-6 times a day eating. Its different from one meal a day food of course  :lol:
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Post by: Xant on December 24, 2013, 02:47:52 pm
Marketing trick for those who benefit from it obviously.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 24, 2013, 03:07:57 pm
Umbra you don't have to make it so complicated man. It's very simple actually.

First law of thermodynamics: energy in = energy out.
If you burn more than you eat you will lose weight.


How to eat less?
1)Artyem posted myfitnesspal.com (http://myfitnesspal.com), this is where you start. Countig calories is probably the only way that works. You can eat less and cut out sweets but it will go slower and you will underestimate what you eat.

2) eat healthy: you need fats, proteins and carbs. Sugar should be minimized.

3)skipping breakfast: somebody already mentioned this. The body isn't build to be stuffed all the time. We need a daily period of fasting where our insulin is low. During this period your body will be able to rapidly burn fat instead of 'scraping' it off. I suggest not eatingg untill 1 or 2 pm, this will also render you less hungry and tired.
If you want to take it a step further, have a 'undereating window' after your fasting window where you don't eat any carbs (except green veggies) and keep your protein intake under 25-30g. Fats don't raise insulin so don't worry about those.

How to burn more?
1) cardio is hands down the best way to burn fat. This video explains why. (on my phone so shitty link). This doesn't mean lifting or HIIT is bad, doing both cardio and lifting will increase your muscle mass (noobgains) and will burn fat! The extra muscle you put on will also help you raise your metabolidm.

Don't overthink stuff like your heartbeat etc... There is no need for that

 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGKLpYtZ19Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNGKLpYtZ19Q

(shitty link because of phone)
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 24, 2013, 03:12:18 pm
Marketing trick for what?
Hey guys, you know you have to eat 6 meals/day? Yeah even when you are at work where you don't have time to prepare an actual meal.
Here take this, it's a protein shake so you can use it as meal replacement. Don't forget to eat tons of it, a recent study we just funded says you need to eat atleast 1g/lbs bodyweight.

Also if you don't have a shitload of protein 5 minutes after your training you will lose all your gains. Ofcourse it has to be protein powder from our brand because otherwise your body won't break it down.
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Post by: LordBerenger on December 24, 2013, 03:16:22 pm
Umbra you don't have to make it so complicated man. It's very simple actually.

First law of thermodynamics: energy in = energy out.
If you burn more than you eat you will lose weight.

How to eat less?
1)Artyem posted myfitnesspal.com, this is where you start. Countig calories is probably the only way that works. You can eat less and cut out sweets but it will go slower and you will underestimate what you eat.

2) eat healthy: you need fats, proteins and carbs. Sugar should be minimized.

3)skipping breakfast: somebody already mentioned this. The body isn't build to be stuffed all the time. We need a daily period of fasting where our insulin is low. During this period your body will be able to rapidly burn fat instead of 'scraping' it off. I suggest not eatingg untill 1 or 2 pm, this will also render you less hungry and tired.
If you want to take it a step further, have a 'undereating window' after your fasting window where you don't eat any carbs (except green veggies) and keep your protein intake under 25-30g. Fats don't raise insulin so don't worry about those.

How to burn more?
1) cardio is hands down the best way to burn fat. This video explains why. (on my phone so shitty link). This doesn't mean lifting or HIIT is bad, doing both cardio and lifting will increase your muscle mass (noobgains) and will burn fat! The extra muscle you put on will also help you raise your metabolidm.

Don't overthink stuff like your heartbeat etc... There is no need for that.

 http://www.google.be/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNGKLpYtZ19Q&ei=_o-5UrqgCKfmywPQ1oHABQ&usg=AFQjCNHlWS_w0yJKuZJh47KVdwSCFOuxMA

+1 Besides skipping breakfast. Especially if you go to the gym/exercise before lunch time or got early work n shit.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 24, 2013, 03:18:13 pm
Umbra you don't have to make it so complicated man. It's very simple actually.

First law of thermodynamics: energy in = energy out.
If you burn more than you eat you will lose weight.


How to eat less?
1)Artyem posted myfitnesspal.com (http://myfitnesspal.com), this is where you start. Countig calories is probably the only way that works. You can eat less and cut out sweets but it will go slower and you will underestimate what you eat.

2) eat healthy: you need fats, proteins and carbs. Sugar should be minimized.

3)skipping breakfast: somebody already mentioned this. The body isn't build to be stuffed all the time. We need a daily period of fasting where our insulin is low. During this period your body will be able to rapidly burn fat instead of 'scraping' it off. I suggest not eatingg untill 1 or 2 pm, this will also render you less hungry and tired.
If you want to take it a step further, have a 'undereating window' after your fasting window where you don't eat any carbs (except green veggies) and keep your protein intake under 25-30g. Fats don't raise insulin so don't worry about those.

How to burn more?
1) cardio is hands down the best way to burn fat. This video explains why. (on my phone so shitty link). This doesn't mean lifting or HIIT is bad, doing both cardio and lifting will increase your muscle mass (noobgains) and will burn fat! The extra muscle you put on will also help you raise your metabolidm.

Don't overthink stuff like your heartbeat etc... There is no need for that.

 http://www.google.be/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNGKLpYtZ19Q&ei=_o-5UrqgCKfmywPQ1oHABQ&usg=AFQjCNHlWS_w0yJKuZJh47KVdwSCFOuxMA

Says losing fat is simple.

Posts manifesto to prove it.
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Post by: Leshma on December 24, 2013, 03:20:20 pm
It is simple for most of the guys around here. They are 15-21 years old, don't forget that :wink:
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Post by: Umbra on December 24, 2013, 03:23:27 pm
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Whatever works for you is great, i simply posted what worked for me. I encourage everyone to find their own routine, get fit, and live a healthier lifestyle regardless of age.
I would personaly strongly disagree about skipping breakfast, but every body reacts diferently. If you get results this way, by all means go for it.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 24, 2013, 03:27:46 pm
That doesn't mean you can't build in a fasting period;)

Having mine from 9pm to 1pm perfectly fits my training, I have my overeating period perfectly after it so my insulin spikes like crazy (insulin is needed for muscle growth)
I got my scheme from 'the renegade diet' by jason ferrugia. He has a whole chapter on alternatives if you have your training in the morning ;)
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 24, 2013, 03:43:29 pm
Aspartane makes you crave sugar. Water (and milk for bulks) are still a much better choice.
IF however I decide to drink a soda, I also go for the diet cokes. Just don't drink them all day every day;)

I would personaly strongly disagree about skipping breakfast, but every body reacts diferently. If you get results this way, by all means go for it.
You probably never tried this. Every body will react the same on lower insulin levels.
You will burn more fat and you won't get fat during bulks (cutting actually slows downyour progress like A LOT.
You will feel less hungry during cuts (if you have to spread your meals over the day those tiny bits will never satisfy you, an empty stomach is actually less hungry than a half full one).
You will be in a fight or flight mode (sympathetic NS) during the day and feel better, happier, less tired etc... In the evening the insulin spike of your huge meal will make the parasympathetic nervous system kick in and you will feel satisfied and ready to go to bed.

Basically, it's awesome


Says losing fat is simple.

Posts manifesto to prove it.
Basically it's all about the eating less than you burn, the other points are just things that can help or make it easier.
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Post by: Xant on December 24, 2013, 03:51:30 pm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler49.htm

Also about eating just once per day.
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Post by: LordBerenger on December 24, 2013, 03:51:53 pm
Dat moment when fatties orders two double cheeseburgers + large fries and then orders a diet soda.

Lol
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 24, 2013, 04:11:08 pm
It's actually funny how people can think eating all the time will boost your metabolism enough to burn more fat.
Would be a pretty stupid evolution to design a digestive system that is so efficient. You would have to eat a shit ton of food because 50% of the energy would be used to actually digest it. We wouldn't have survived the ice time like that.
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Post by: LordBerenger on December 24, 2013, 04:19:31 pm
It's actually funny how people can think eating all the time will boost your metabolism enough to burn more fat.
Would be a pretty stupid evolution to design a digestive system that is so efficient. You would have to eat a shit ton of food because 50% of the energy would be used to actually digest it. We wouldn't have survived the ice time like that.

The reasoning for me to split my meals all over the day is so i won't be feeling hungry. Plus i would never be able to pull off a clean meal with all my calories per day (non cheap calories) in a whole sitting.
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Post by: [ptx] on December 24, 2013, 04:22:42 pm
Guys, the OP hasn't responded. Why are you all so serious now, this might just be a troll lol
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Post by: LordBerenger on December 24, 2013, 04:25:06 pm
Guys, the OP hasn't responded. Why are you all so serious now, this might just be a troll lol

Knowing Poop tho you're right. Lol
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 24, 2013, 04:39:18 pm
The reasoning for me to split my meals all over the day is so i won't be feeling hungry. Plus i would never be able to pull off a clean meal with all my calories per day (non cheap calories) in a whole sitting.
I eat 4 eggs at 1pm (280cals), after that I usually wait untill 7pm (after my training). Then I drink a liter of milk (630 cals), in a few minutes. After this I go prepare my meal (eg a huge spaghetti, potatoes with a shit ton of meat or two pizzas) which fills the rest of my 3000 cals (so that makes 2100 calories). I eat this in one sitting which means I eat everything except the 4 eggs in a time span of 90 minutes. Even of you have to eat 1000 calories more you can still eat an extra meal at 10 pm.

I recently started taking rilatin which reduces appetite and eating the huge meal only slowed down a bit, it's still not a problem as I have a whole evening to slowly eat or to split my meal in smaller parts.
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Post by: Xant on December 24, 2013, 04:42:41 pm
The reasoning for me to split my meals all over the day is so i won't be feeling hungry. Plus i would never be able to pull off a clean meal with all my calories per day (non cheap calories) in a whole sitting.
"Won't be feeling hungry." Hunger won't kill you. You'll feel more energetic and sharp if you're a bit hungry. And the best part is that when you do eat, it'll be epic. Every day the meal will feel like a feast, extremely satisfying.

Guys, the OP hasn't responded. Why are you all so serious now, this might just be a troll lol

Obviously it's a troll, who gives a fuck? Nobody's discussing about Poophammer, just general diet shit.
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Post by: Christo on December 24, 2013, 05:02:48 pm
You'll feel more energetic and sharp if you're a bit hungry.

This is very true, speaking from experience.
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Post by: Grumbs on December 24, 2013, 05:11:54 pm
I'm not an expert, but from what I've heard skipping meals puts your body into energy saving mode. You will lose weight for now but some time later you will pile the pounds back on

Also you tend to binge on food if you don't eat regularly
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Post by: LordBerenger on December 24, 2013, 05:15:08 pm
I eat 4 eggs at 1pm (280cals), after that I usually wait untill 7pm (after my training). Then I drink a liter of milk (630 cals), in a few minutes. After this I go prepare my meal (eg a huge spaghetti, potatoes with a shit ton of meat or two pizzas) which fills the rest of my 3000 cals (so that makes 2100 calories). I eat this in one sitting which means I eat everything except the 4 eggs in a time span of 90 minutes. Even of you have to eat 1000 calories more you can still eat an extra meal at 10 pm.

I recently started taking rilatin which reduces appetite and eating the huge meal only slowed down a bit, it's still not a problem as I have a whole evening to slowly eat or to split my meal in smaller parts.

Sure if i eat Pizzas and such cheap calories rich meals i'd do it all easily in one sitting. But eating pizzas every day or similar food would never suit me personally lol.

I'm more used to Breakfast - Lunch - Dinner and like 3 separate small meals per day (at most) with dem protein shakezzz as well. Easier imo to control macros as well. But that's just me. In the end it's all about personal preference and managing your calories intake/outtake.


And taking stuff to reduce the hunger doesn't really seem worth it just because.
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Post by: Xant on December 24, 2013, 05:40:58 pm
I'm not an expert, but from what I've heard skipping meals puts your body into energy saving mode. You will lose weight for now but some time later you will pile the pounds back on

Also you tend to binge on food if you don't eat regularly
Yes, from "what you've heard." It's bullshit. Look at people who have no food - are they fat? Do you actually gain weight if you don't eat? Wonder why Africans aren't obese? Again, we're talking minimalistic "savings" at best, if it happens at all: it'll be saving worth of 0-20 calories. Your body isn't magic, it will not get energy from outer space, meaning it'll use the fat reserves in your body.

And actually, I think people binge more if they eat the crappy 6 times a day diet. You never feel fully satisfied after a meal, you'll always be half-hungry. When you eat once a day, most of the time you won't even feel hungry, you'll feel kind of gross just thinking about eating. And most binge eating happens in the evening - that's when you'll be having your meal, so no binge eating there either.
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Post by: Xant on December 24, 2013, 06:03:27 pm
"Eating good" before you exercise? That sounds fucked up, I think you're the exception rather than the rule. Everyone else I know would never want to eat before gymming or doing sports.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 24, 2013, 06:15:49 pm
It's actually funny how people can think eating all the time will boost your metabolism enough to burn more fat.
Would be a pretty stupid evolution to design a digestive system that is so efficient. You would have to eat a shit ton of food because 50% of the energy would be used to actually digest it. We wouldn't have survived the ice time like that.

Actually.....that's how it is. That's why raw celery is said to have 0 nutritious value, because it takes as much energy to digest as it provides, so it become essentially just a good source of fiber. Do you know when we got the most efficient at digesting food and getting the most calories out of them? When we learned to make fire and cook our food so that it takes less energy to digest the food. So if you want to burn more energy by eating, eat the same things only eat them raw.
Also, when eating more meals per day, you don't eat the same amount each meal that you would in 1-3 meals. You consume the same amount of calories across 6-8 time frames. The reason that you do this is your body comes to expect those calories on a regular basis and is less likely to convert it to fat in anticipation of the upcoming period where no calories can be expected. While theoretically if you consume the same amount of calories you might actually see a slight loss by eating 1 meal every day or two due to the energy lost by the conversion to fat and back again, in practice you are more likely to consume a bit more than you actually need and never convert the fat back again into energy. Whereas if you are eating 6-8 meals per day, the body is not anticipating a period of famine and rather than converting it to fat, it simply rids the body of what it doesn't need. Just like with vitamins. There is no point in taking extra vitamins because your body just gets rid of them.

Everyone knows that energy in should be < energy out to lose weight. Yes, we all know it is that simple. In PoopHammer's case my assumption is he isn't going to give up his eating habits (because that should be obvious to him), so my assertion that simply lifting isn't going to help him lose that weight and he should focus on fat burn/cardio type exercise instead still stands. And yes, there is a proven range where you are most efficient at the fat burn.
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Post by: Xant on December 24, 2013, 06:39:02 pm
Other way around, if you eat 6-8 times per day it's more likely you'll consume more than you need, whereas if you only eat once, you'll actually have to try really hard to reach even the minimum amounts needed.
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Post by: Torben on December 24, 2013, 08:12:36 pm
xant,  you are leaving the physiological and biomechanical aspects out of your argumentation,  and seem to be doing just what you are accusing others of:  repeating what you have read.

depending on the training level and the kind of food you are talking about,  your warrior diet is ok,  and follows basic aspects of any scientifically supported diet,   its highly unpractical for a fat man to try it however.

also no rules:  getting in your calories the way you are atm,  is a good way to get yourself a nice heap of typ 2 diabetes :/ 
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Post by: LordBerenger on December 24, 2013, 08:16:06 pm
I never get more calories or less than i need. Hardcore calories counting everything including veggies
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on December 24, 2013, 08:21:18 pm
"Eating good" before you exercise? That sounds fucked up, I think you're the exception rather than the rule. Everyone else I know would never want to eat before gymming or doing sports.
This depends on the time you eat , it is highly recommended to eat before gym/sports but not just before, 2 hours or 90 minutes before is pretty good.

Regards football player/gymnist
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 25, 2013, 05:00:31 am
xant,  you are leaving the physiological and biomechanical aspects out of your argumentation,  and seem to be doing just what you are accusing others of:  repeating what you have read.

depending on the training level and the kind of food you are talking about,  your warrior diet is ok,  and follows basic aspects of any scientifically supported diet,   its highly unpractical for a fat man to try it however.

also no rules:  getting in your calories the way you are atm,  is a good way to get yourself a nice heap of typ 2 diabetes :/
The physiological and biomechanical aspects are behind the links, which is much more than can be said for the evidence of the others, who have provided no sources.

How is it highly unpractical for a fat man?
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Bjord on December 25, 2013, 05:18:10 am
Lately I've been having 1-2 meals a day and I must say I'm not as hungry as I expected to be. I don't even eat breakfast either. And I can't say my alertedness or focus has been affected. I haven't noticed a difference, whatsoever, and I'm not even working out.

That being said, this method combined with exercise could lead to desired results.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: POOPHAMMER on December 25, 2013, 01:51:28 pm
i did everything you guys said im still fat
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: LordBerenger on December 25, 2013, 02:05:49 pm
i did everything you guys said im still fat

Need to eat more cheetos, more tarts, more burgers and more pizza and then 1 minute walk. Trust me. U will shred so much fat.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 25, 2013, 02:38:27 pm
i did everything you guys said im still fat
The trick is to take a knife and cut of your genitalia, or is that the trick to keeping a light voice? Eh, just try it out.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Leshma on December 25, 2013, 03:32:35 pm
You guys don't want to know what and how much I ate just minutes before. Gym rat in you would die of cardiac arrest  :P
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Umbra on December 25, 2013, 03:38:57 pm
Sarma  :)
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Torben on December 25, 2013, 04:20:21 pm
The physiological and biomechanical aspects are behind the links, which is much more than can be said for the evidence of the others, who have provided no sources.

How is it highly unpractical for a fat man?

only found the link to the bodybuilding forum,  in which a man trying to sell a book talks nonsense far off of scientific truths combined with semi-truths and anecdotal evidence,  or using some truthful statements in a wrong context.

dont get me wrong:  if you eat healthy you can do just about what ever you want,  and your body will change to the better.  but his principles are neither revolutionary nor the most efficient way to tune your body.  at a quick glance id say he is just using the usual conspiracy and insider hype to sell his books. 

unpractical for a fat man?  cause a fat man lacks discipline and has wrong understanding of eating in the first place,  so you have to nurture his needs rather then starting a diet with him that he wont pull through.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 25, 2013, 04:26:51 pm
My god man, you have absolutely destroyed all of his arguments with your science and truths. Indeed, your mountains of evidence, logic and research cannot be denied by any.

And that is just your opinion. I'd say that it's the BEST diet for someone fat; you still get to enjoy all your favorite foods.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Torben on December 25, 2013, 04:40:47 pm
just looked at his fb page,  and he is a hypocrite asshole on top.  talks about the protein industry fostering the 6 meals a day hype (in your link),  and sells protein on his website.
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well dude,  I mentioned some of the basic mechanics in my first or second post.  other then that,  I studied this shit,  my knowledge is based on scientific studies and is accepted as the truth by pretty much any health board or university,  and I am not here to change your mind,  but feel compelled to not let bullshit slide.

just looking at the crap he posts on his website makes me think he is a criminal for brainwashing people with his bullshit.

 
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 25, 2013, 05:18:52 pm
Wat, he doesn't say that protein is bad for you. Obviously it isn't; he's not a hypocrite.

You can appeal to authority all you like, but it's very weak argumentation when you don't provide any proof for your 'facts' other than "i've studied this."
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: SixThumbs on December 25, 2013, 05:27:57 pm
I'm sure no one on this site is a professional body builder so all of this nit-picky advice would help marginally at best, more so for someone who's overweight and just trying to change their lifestyle.

Poop also posted twice in 5 pages so...
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Torben on December 25, 2013, 05:52:23 pm
Wat, he doesn't say that protein is bad for you. Obviously it isn't; he's not a hypocrite.

You can appeal to authority all you like, but it's very weak argumentation when you don't provide any proof for your 'facts' other than "i've studied this."

he accuses many diets of being driven by marketing while he is doing exactly that.

and I am not appealing to authority as an argument,  I am the authority.  take it or leave it,  but if this topic is of interest to you, read up on it.  Its what I have done with your provided link as well.  Unfortunately Hofmeklers statements do not comply with the facts.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 25, 2013, 06:10:03 pm
he accuses many diets of being driven by marketing while he is doing exactly that.

and I am not appealing to authority as an argument,  I am the authority.  take it or leave it,  but if this topic is of interest to you, read up on it.  Its what I have done with your provided link as well.  Unfortunately Hofmeklers statements do not comply with the facts.
I suggest you read up on some logic as well. There is no contradiction in what he is doing and saying.

And no, I am the authority. You are wrong. Read up on it if it interests you. Hofmeklers statements are all facts.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 25, 2013, 06:20:21 pm
this is just fucking stupidity

Negative calories is a fucking joke.
These veggies are just low in calories because they are mostly water and cellulose, which the body can't digest. On the internet you can even find such lists containing fruits like tomatoes and pineapples, yeah...

Yes your body might burn 10 extra calories/day if you chew well, but you will still lose fat very slowly or not because your blood insulin is high 24/7. Do you think our ancestors were eating all day? Do you think any ancestral species was eating all the time? No, they were hunting for their prey all day and feasted upon the carcass when the hunt was completed. Stuffing themselves because maybe the next day there wouldn't be anything to eat.
And obviously our digestive system was and still is adapted to that.

The so called starvation mode where your body suddenly thinks that it's smarter to burn muscle mass instead of fat is the biggest crap too (hey fitness suplement producents, here you are again).
There were tests on soldiers (they can be tested legally in inhumane conditions) where they ate at a -5000 calorie deficit. They started losing lean body mass at week 8 when they were at 5% bf. (for those who don't know, see pic)
 
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You need to atleast eat nothing at all for 2 days before your body starts burning muscle
 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/starvation-mode-why-you-probably-never-need-to-worry-about-it/


Come on guys just fucking think. We have evolved from a cell and are now where we stand today. Do you think your body would ignore fat and burn muscle if you didn't eat every 2 hours? Fat is a fucking storage for energy to burn in times of shortage. That's why it's burned much easier than muscle.
When you hear something that sounds like bro science, reflect the idea in an evolutionary point of view for a second. You will find a lot of stupid shit to be easily explained.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 25, 2013, 06:51:37 pm
There were tests on soldiers (they can be tested legally in inhumane conditions) where they ate very little, did heavy physical activity and kept slep to a minimum. They actually lost weight and gained muscle.
Those are just normal conditions for soldiers, but yes, it's just common sense that soldiers doing that stuff will be very fit. Even though according to some fitness gurus they should be either fat because their body is in ENERGY SAVING MODE and gets more fat from Cthulhu or lose all of their muscles because... well, because.

And yeah, the fat is there to be burned. It's energy storage. That is why it exists. That is its purpose. Why would the body burn useful muscle instead of fat whose whole purpose is to be burned when there's no food?

The main thing about the 1 meal vs 6 meals is that 1 meal MAKES SENSE. 6 meals per day doesn't, that is not how our bodies have been designed to work. Only extremely small animals eat all the time. The "eat well before you exercise" thing also makes no evolutionary sense.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 25, 2013, 07:01:15 pm
I edited my post because I mixed up two different researches on totally different topics. It's fixed now. ( link for reviewing)

Note that the bodyfat pic is not 100% correct because they also differ in muscle mass. The 6-7% body is a good example of how a muscular guy looks with that .amount of fat
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Torben on December 25, 2013, 07:11:39 pm
I suggest you read up on some logic as well. There is no contradiction in what he is doing and saying.

And no, I am the authority. You are wrong. Read up on it if it interests you. Hofmeklers statements are all facts.

its cool,  keep using cherokee hair tampons.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 25, 2013, 07:28:01 pm
its cool,  keep using cherokee hair tampons.
Once again you surprise with the amount of evidence you bring to bear against the arguments provided. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Rumblood on December 25, 2013, 08:37:51 pm
*Rant about something that wasn't said*

We are talking about fat storage and burning. Nobody said anything about burning muscle in this topic, until you that is. You sure beat the hell out of that straw man though  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 25, 2013, 09:32:47 pm
We are talking about fat storage and burning. Nobody said anything about burning muscle in this topic, until you that is. You sure beat the hell out of that straw man though  :rolleyes:
You claimed eating 6 meals is beneficial for weightloss because your digestive system boosts your metabolism leading to. Faster weight loss.
As arguments to prove your point you used negative calorie foods and your body going into starvation mode when you don't eat often enough.

My rant is an appeal to you and all other people claiming this, so I included a few more arguments that are often used and I explained why they are bullshit too.
Believe me, I started like this. Eating very strict scared of this starvation mode, feeling hungry all the time. Because I was interested in fitness and dieting, basically the only thing that I could focus on except crpg (sad I know, it's better now). I read a few books and a ton of researches (/reviews), intermittent fasting works.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Torben on December 26, 2013, 12:36:31 pm
Once again you surprise with the amount of evidence you bring to bear against the arguments provided. Keep up the good work.

haha,  just like any internet debate seems to end:  no you!   :mrgreen:


seriously though.  read my posts again if you like:  I am neither attacking you,  nor saying that the approach you are supporting is all wrong.   
However fitness Gurus tend to misuse technical terms in a context supporting their products (in this case his diet),  generally oversimplifying and tending their cause.
Sometimes grossly focusing on one aspect and (criminally) neglecting all the others linked to it.  One thing you can be sure of:  using a guru's statement is not a supporting argument.

Btw,  I am not sure how old you are,  but evolving interest in training physiology and trophology where the things that made me go into medicine.  If you are interested in this shit,  you might want to consider a career here as well,  its fucking awesome seeing how all the pieces fall into place.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 26, 2013, 01:43:45 pm
haha,  just like any internet debate seems to end:  no you!   :mrgreen:


seriously though.  read my posts again if you like:  I am neither attacking you,  nor saying that the approach you are supporting is all wrong.   
However fitness Gurus tend to misuse technical terms in a context supporting their products (in this case his diet),  generally oversimplifying and tending their cause.
Sometimes grossly focusing on one aspect and (criminally) neglecting all the others linked to it.  One thing you can be sure of:  using a guru's statement is not a supporting argument.

Btw,  I am not sure how old you are,  but evolving interest in training physiology and trophology where the things that made me go into medicine.  If you are interested in this shit,  you might want to consider a career here as well,  its fucking awesome seeing how all the pieces fall into place.
You can say "no you", but you'd be wrong. I've provided links, no_rules has made plenty of long posts... you're the one whose only argument is "I've studied this TRUST ME."

What makes you think you have the authority to say what fitness gurus do or don't overuse? You've posted zero facts, nada, zilch, zippo. All you keep saying is how you "study it" - big fucking deal, so do millions of other people, along with most of the people you're criticising, making you just look silly.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on December 26, 2013, 05:10:36 pm
Holy shit.
You people make it seem like the guy wants to cut down after bulking up.
No.
He wants to lose weight because he's fat. He doesn't want to lose weight because he a) Wants to get into a weight qualification for a sport or b) To go to the next Mr. Olympian.
He simply wants to lose weight so he doesn't look like a landwhale.
The best way for that to happen is to get into a routine, both eating routine and a exercise routine. It's the same for all the hungry skellingtons who want to get gains, get into a routine of eating more, more frequently.
Like there's two very simple rule though; Don't eat junk food and stop drinking soda. Pretty self explanatory.

Oh and somehow people think that carbs are evil...?
They aren't. Starvation is a bad way to lose weight, don't do it. People who starve themselves basically just fuck up their metabolism, so yeah, you can lose all your weight, but as soon as you go back to a normal diet "oh shit where did all these kg's come from?". You'll also feel like utter shit so, yeah, don't do it.

here, have a link that's posted as a sticky on /fit/
http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html#part3
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 26, 2013, 06:19:56 pm
Holy shit.
You actually fucking think Poophammer is serious?
No.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Grumbs on December 26, 2013, 06:40:29 pm

They aren't. Starvation is a bad way to lose weight, don't do it. People who starve themselves basically just fuck up their metabolism, so yeah, you can lose all your weight, but as soon as you go back to a normal diet "oh shit where did all these kg's come from?". You'll also feel like utter shit so, yeah, don't do it.

here, have a link that's posted as a sticky on /fit/
http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html#part3

Agree with this

If you don't have regular meals your body will wonder if you will even get another meal anytime soon and go into starvation mode. You will slow your metabolism so that you burn fewer calories during the day

I also feel that its very important to have a regular routine that you follow. Make yourself have a small breakfast at the same time every day, then you will be less likely to snack before dinner time. Have dinner at the same time, tea and supper if you want.

This makes it easier to build up an exercise routine that you stick to. Every day you go for a run at X time. You don't have to think about it, its just part of your daily routine like your meals

Have a calorie limit for the day and break up the calories into separate meals. Drink loads of water, don't snack, use small plates, do regular cardio and you will watch the fat disappear. Losing weight is a long term process though, get into a routine and don't worry about immediate results.

Also do some research yourself and learn about calories and methods for losing weight. I lost 6 stone in 2 years doing that, and it wasn't even hard. Just took a few tweaks to my normal routine. I stopped drinking alchohol though too. Alchohol is horrible when you're trying to lose weight
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on December 26, 2013, 06:57:24 pm
Holy shit.
You actually fucking think Poophammer is serious?
No.
oh please xant.
this is now not even to do with poophammers autism anymore.
if they did think it wasn't serious, they still gave advice that was serious.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: LordBerenger on December 26, 2013, 07:21:27 pm
This is now the official Torben vs Xant & No Rules handicap fight.

Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 26, 2013, 07:52:52 pm
Agree with this

If you don't have regular meals your body will wonder if you will even get another meal anytime soon and go into starvation mode. You will slow your metabolism so that you burn fewer calories during the day

No.
http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/im-fat-im-fat-oh-god-im-fat/msg923542/#msg923542

oh please xant.
this is now not even to do with poophammers autism anymore.
if they did think it wasn't serious, they still gave advice that was serious.

The retards, maybe. Anyone remotely intelligent is talking in general, not to or for Poophammer.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on December 26, 2013, 08:39:51 pm
Exactly.
And that's what I was addressing.
This is generally a "I need to lose weight." Well it was at the start, I dunno what everyone is spewing at the moment. As I said again, I don't care if it doesn't burn muscle. I care more of the fact that starving yourself fucks up your metabolism, which by the way, nobody has addressed in any way and you keep bringing up the point that "IT DOESN'T BURN MUSCLE THUS YOU SHOULD DO IT!!". No. I'll say it again, in nice big bold text so you can all understand. I don't care if it doesn't burn muscle. Standing in your ass all day doesn't burn any muscle either. Starving yourself is what 13 year old teenagers think is healthy. It makes you feel shit and it fucks up your metabolism.
I bet you the soldiers that did the experiment got their weight almost instantly because of the fact that they fucked up the metabolism so badly that the body NEEDED to make sure all the food it did get was 100% digested and used up. Your body doesn't know when the experiment ends, so it keeps going on this cycle of using up everything in the food.

Also if you really want to talk science, then lets talk science.
Your body absolutely hates burning up fat. It's way too much work for the energy it gives out. Wanna know why fat people suffering from hypothermia dies just as fast if not faster compared to a skinny guy? Because yes, they could burn up fat and get energy, but it takes way too much in the first place to begin the decomposition of fat into actual glucose chains that are usable.
It's why your body goes from Carbs > Protein + Fat when it's starving.
Fat itself is way too much of a slow process to acquire the energy needed to sustain the body.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 26, 2013, 09:01:58 pm
Because, again, eating one meal a day isn't "starving yourself." It takes 48 hours to enter starvation mode.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Grumbs on December 26, 2013, 11:03:28 pm
Weight loss needs to be practical. If you go for 1 meal a day and you're a fatty you will have shit tonnes of snacks before and after the meal. When you do have the meal you will end up consuming more calories than regular meals spaced out because you will be so hungry

Having a weight loss routine makes it easier too, it just becomes natural to live healthily because everything is planned out for a set time

BTW water is awesome. You shouldn't really drink any calories at all. Get used to drinking only water and you will get to like it

We might disagree but I think science is on the side of regular meals, but even if not the other benefits make it worth having regular meals imo (less temptation to snack, routine etc)
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 26, 2013, 11:51:00 pm
Weight loss needs to be practical. If you go for 1 meal a day and you're a fatty you will have shit tonnes of snacks before and after the meal. When you do have the meal you will end up consuming more calories than regular meals spaced out because you will be so hungry

Having a weight loss routine makes it easier too, it just becomes natural to live healthily because everything is planned out for a set time

BTW water is awesome. You shouldn't really drink any calories at all. Get used to drinking only water and you will get to like it

We might disagree but I think science is on the side of regular meals, but even if not the other benefits make it worth having regular meals imo (less temptation to snack, routine etc)
The 1 meal a day diet is the most practical for anyone, fatty or not. You won't end up buying the no-nos from a store and then feel guilty and stop dieting because you cheated, because you can eat the foods you crave any time you want. You won't snack after the meal because you've just eaten: you eat it in the evening, 7-10 hours after waking up. And no, you won't end up consuming more calories in a single meal than several spaced out meals. That is pretty much impossible. You can eat two pizzas and still be about 500-1000 calories from daily recommended calories, which means you could eat a third one without gaining any weight. Whereas when you eat several meals, none of them really satisfy you, and you end up feeling half-hungry and unsatisfied the whole day, making it more likely that you'll overeat and/or resort to snacks.

It doesn't matter what you "think." Show the science if it's on the side of regular meals. So far, all the science that has been shown has definitely not been on the side of regular meals.

And speaking of practicality, eating once is a lot more practical than having to plan for several meals, that all have to have certain foods/can't have certain foods.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Lemon on December 27, 2013, 02:29:42 am
muscle + fat = bear, and who wouldn't want to be a bear
Are you encouraging panos' eating habits?
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Umbra on December 27, 2013, 02:36:50 am
Sources, in no particular order:

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tl:dr
Some of the research said there were no significant changes in weight between methods if the caloric intake was maintained, however it mentioned cardiovascular disease risk factors and negative change in hematologic variables in a 1 meal per day diet.
Some of the research on obese subjects showed positive weight loss in increased meal frequency.
Some of the research said that there was positive changes in weight loss on a more frequent meal diet, mostly done on women and children.
Some of the research found there was no corelation between metabolism "speed" and meal frequency.
Most of the research found that increased meal frequency is beneficial for regulation of insulin, lipid and colesterol levels.
Most of the research concluded that the results were influenced too much by caloric intake missreporting by the subjects.
Most of the research cited a multitude of other factors that could influence the results.
Most of the research concluded that eating more meals was highly recommended for non-insulin dependant diabetes patients.
Most of the research said that more research was needed.


My conclusion: If you are a healthy subject, eating more frequently or eating 1 meal a day will not matter in terms of weight loss if the caloric intake is the same, however eating more meals per day prevents cardiovascular diseases, maintains leves or essential fats, insulin and colesterol levels. On non-healthy (obese) women and children, studies found that eating more meals a day is beneficial to weightloss, but i would take this information with a grain of salt because: missreporting, outside factors.

tl:dr of the tl:dr - Eating 1 meal, or a lot, is the same in terms of weightloss if the caloric intake is the same. However, eating more frequently is healthier than eating 1 meal a day. On obese subjects the weight loss benefits of meal frequency are still debated.


P.S. if someone can find me meal frequency research on male obese subjects, that would be great for more insight


P.P.S. can anyone explain what this means:
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Thanks guys, now im interested in food research, ill keep you posted if i find more stuff relevant to this thread lol. Holy shit its 3 am
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Rumblood on December 27, 2013, 03:01:58 am


P.P.S. can anyone explain what this means:
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It means on 1 meal a day you have higher blood sugar. You don't produce more insulin, and the insulin you produce isn't any better at handling that extra sugar. As you may know, that easily leads to diabetes and almost certainly will given a long enough duration.
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on December 27, 2013, 03:13:38 am
Sources:

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I've been skimming the thread and am disappointed that it took 6 fucking pages for somebody to actually cite evidence, but and at the same time go at it like dicks over a vagina. Please don't just make shit up jesus this might be the internet but by god my jimmies are rustled when people make shit up regardless of context.

On a related note: My Intro to Biology professor, way back in Freshman year, described metabolism as fluctuating, not as fixed. Your daily caloric needs will adjust to fit your life style, eventually, to a certain point. Thus, if you regularly eat 2000 calories and do not exercise, your daily caloric requirement is going to be about 2000 calories. Go on a 1500 calorie diet, and you'll lose weight. Your metabolism, however, will eventually adjust to your new 1500 calorie diet.

Exercise adds a twist to this, demanding even more calories of you ontop of your 1500 calorie diet. That's one of the reasons why you should do it.

(Weight lifting, by the way, burns calories and is metabolically demanding even after the weightlifting event itself is over. It is a very effective way of asking your body to use more calories. It's also fun. And it makes you strong and healthy and maybe even gay. See "The New Rules of Lifting" by Lou Schuler and Alwyn Cosgrove; See 4chan's /fit/ness board, the sticky of which, as has been mentioned, actually cites sources. http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html#part4)

This WeightWatcher article--of all things--discusses the topic of fluctuating metabolism's implications for weight loss. http://www.weightwatchers.com/util/art/index_art.aspx?tabnum=1&art_id=35501. I didn't get my info originally from there, but looked it up just now because I'm way too lazy to actually use my school's database to find sources myself. And yet I typed all this up? Christ I'm falling into the same trap that some of the above posters did. Oh well, anyway, I'm piggybacking off of the WeightWatchers author's citations, lol.

Eat your protein, too! http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1007137#t=articleDiscussion

And do research before you talk shit,nerd scum!
Title: Re: im fat im fat oh god im fat
Post by: Xant on December 27, 2013, 10:54:59 am
Sources, in no particular order:

(click to show/hide)

tl:dr
Some of the research said there were no significant changes in weight between methods if the caloric intake was maintained, however it mentioned cardiovascular disease risk factors and negative change in hematologic variables in a 1 meal per day diet.
Some of the research on obese subjects showed positive weight loss in increased meal frequency.
Some of the research said that there was positive changes in weight loss on a more frequent meal diet, mostly done on women and children.
Some of the research found there was no corelation between metabolism "speed" and meal frequency.
Most of the research found that increased meal frequency is beneficial for regulation of insulin, lipid and colesterol levels.
Most of the research concluded that the results were influenced too much by caloric intake missreporting by the subjects.
Most of the research cited a multitude of other factors that could influence the results.
Most of the research concluded that eating more meals was highly recommended for non-insulin dependant diabetes patients.
Most of the research said that more research was needed.


My conclusion: If you are a healthy subject, eating more frequently or eating 1 meal a day will not matter in terms of weight loss if the caloric intake is the same, however eating more meals per day prevents cardiovascular diseases, maintains leves or essential fats, insulin and colesterol levels. On non-healthy (obese) women and children, studies found that eating more meals a day is beneficial to weightloss, but i would take this information with a grain of salt because: missreporting, outside factors.

tl:dr of the tl:dr - Eating 1 meal, or a lot, is the same in terms of weightloss if the caloric intake is the same. However, eating more frequently is healthier than eating 1 meal a day. On obese subjects the weight loss benefits of meal frequency are still debated.


P.S. if someone can find me meal frequency research on male obese subjects, that would be great for more insight


P.P.S. can anyone explain what this means:
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Thanks guys, now im interested in food research, ill keep you posted if i find more stuff relevant to this thread lol. Holy shit its 3 am

"Results:Subjects who completed the study maintained their body weight within 2 kg of their initial weight throughout the 6-mo period. There were no significant effects of meal frequency on heart rate, body temperature, or most of the blood variables measured. However, when consuming 1 meal/d, subjects had a significant increase in hunger; a significant modification of body composition, including reductions in fat mass; significant increases in blood pressure and in total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations; and a significant decrease in concentrations of cortisol.

Conclusions:Normal-weight subjects are able to comply with a 1 meal/d diet. When meal frequency is decreased without a reduction in overall calorie intake, modest changes occur in body composition, some cardiovascular disease risk factors, and hematologic variables. Diurnal variations may affect outcomes."


"A team of cardiologists in the UAE found that people observing Ramadan, the Islamic fast, enjoy a positive effect on their lipid profile, which means there is a reduction of cholesterol in the blood.[11] Also adherence to Eastern Orthodox fasting periods contributes to an improvement in the blood lipid profile, including a decrease in total and LDL cholesterol, and a decrease in the LDL to HDL cholesterol ratio. These results suggest a possible positive impact on the obesity levels of individuals who adhere to these fasting periods"

"There is no biological reason for eating three meals a day," says Yale University history professor Paul Freedman, editor of Food: The History of Taste (University of California Press, 2007).

The three-meals model is also being fought by the food industry.

"The food industry wants you to buy more food," thus it urges us to eat as much and as often as possible. It's an easy sell, "because Americans have always liked snacks."

“The effects of differences in meal frequency on body weight, body composition, and energy expenditure were studied in mildly food-restricted male rats. Two groups were fed approximately 80% of usual food intake (as periodically determined in a group of ad libitum fed controls) for 131 days. One group received all of its food in 2 meals/day and the other received all of its food in 10-12 meals/day. The two groups did not differ in food intake, body weight, body composition, food efficiency (carcass energy gain per amount of food eaten), or energy expenditure at any time during the study. Both food-restricted groups had a lower food intake, body weight gain, and energy expenditure than a group of ad libitum-fed controls. In conclusion, these results suggest that amount of food eaten, but not the pattern with which it is ingested, has a major influence on energy balance during mild food restriction.“

Meal frequency and energy balance.
Br J Nutr. 1997 Apr;77 Suppl 1:S57-70.
“More importantly, studies using whole-body calorimetry and doubly-labelled water to assess total 24 h energy expenditure find no difference between nibbling and gorging. Finally, with the exception of a single study, there is no evidence that weight loss on hypoenergetic regimens is altered by meal frequency. We conclude that any effects of meal pattern on the regulation of body weight are likely to be mediated through effects on the food intake side of the energy balance equation.”

Thermogenesis in humans after varying meal time frequency
Wolfram G, Kirchgessner M, Miller HL, Hollomey S.
To a group of 8 healthy persons a slightly hypocaloric diet with protein (13% of energy), carbohydrates (46% of energy) and fat (41% of energy) was given as one meal or as five meals in a change-over trial. Each person was 2 weeks on each regimen. Under the conditions of slight undernutrition and neutral temperature the balances of nitrogen, carbon and energy were assessed in 7-day collection periods, and according to 48-hour measurements of gaseous exchange (carbon-nitrogen balance method) by the procedures of indirect calorimetry. Changes of body weight were statistically not significant. At isocaloric supply of metabolizable energy with exactly the same foods in different meal frequencies no differences were found in the retention of carbon and energy. Urinary nitrogen excretion was slightly greater with a single daily meal, indicating influences on protein metabolism. The protein-derived energy was compensated by a decrease in the fat oxidation. The heat production calculated by indirect calorimetry was not significantly different with either meal frequency. Water, sodium and potassium balances were not different. The plasma concentrations of cholesterol and uric acid were not influenced by meal frequency, glucose and triglycerides showed typical behaviour depending on the time interval to the last meal. The results demonstrate that the meal frequency did not influence the energy balance.

Intermittent fasting may function as a form of nutritional hormesis.[10]
Alternate-day fasting may encourage fat oxidation.[11]
Alternate-day fasting may reduce body weight, LDL, and triglyceride levels to the same degree regardless of maintenance of low fat or high fat diet on the feeding day.[12]

A 2007 review of alternate day fasting in said "the findings in animals suggest that ADF may effectively modulate several risk factors, thereby preventing chronic disease, and that ADF may modulate disease risk to an extent similar to that of CR. More research is required to establish definitively the consequences of ADF."[9]

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As you can see, it has both "benefits" and "cons", and the cons aren't a problem for normal individuals. On the other hand, 1-meal a day eaters had significant reductions in fat mass compared to the frequent eaters. Therefore, it's better for people wanting to lose weight.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=120853941
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Post by: Umbra on December 27, 2013, 12:22:04 pm
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Post by: Torben on December 27, 2013, 11:49:19 pm
quality posts,  nice. 

Umbra,  happy to see your willingness to learn.  this is for you:
what systemic complications might our obese man have,  that would be negatively effected by the consequences of the the 1meal/day diet? 
what are these consequences in the first place
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feel free to pm me if you prefer.

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interesting tidbit: 
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Post by: Xant on December 27, 2013, 11:52:41 pm
It's funny how Torben gives out the homework when he's clueless himself.
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Post by: Corwin on December 28, 2013, 12:14:29 am
Anyway, what does spawn raper know about diet?  :twisted:
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Post by: Leshma on December 28, 2013, 12:23:44 am
He's a dentist, he should know a thing or two about chemistry.
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Post by: Armpit_Sweat on December 28, 2013, 12:32:31 am
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Post by: Rumblood on December 28, 2013, 06:59:43 am
Anyone can post links and theory, but what matters is the application and results. Thanksgiving I was 260. Today I'm 225, or a loss of 35 lbs in 30 days. I did it by eating 4 meals a day, keeping my fat intake to under 3 grams per day the first week, and under 10 grams per day for the rest of the time. I workout for at least 30 minutes 3 times a week, keeping my heart rate at 140 for at least 20 minutes. That usually means walking 1/2 a mile, then running 1/2 mile, then doing light weights for 15-20 minutes with less than 30 seconds in between reps. That's it. I ate until full and I ate what I wanted as long as I didn't exceed my fat budget. I'm still dropping weight at around 1lb per day. My blood pressure is typically around 118-125 over 68-75. My blood sugar is right in the middle of the "normal" range (we have test kits at home and use them to check).
If you want to lose weight, try that. Or listen to endless conflicting theories or click on links to conflicting websites written by "experts".
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Post by: Xant on December 28, 2013, 09:53:12 am
Oh yeah, anecdotal evidence is the best science. I know a guy who lost weight by eating five Big Mac meals a day. Try that, Poophammer.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 28, 2013, 06:07:48 pm
You have nothing other than information from "experts" that conflicts with information from other "experts" Xant. And you DON'T know someone who lost weight by eating 5 Big Macs a day unless they were already eating 6 Big Macs a day. Your 1 meal a day plan is scientifically proven by doctors to be bad for your overall health, regardless of whether you can lose weight by doing so. As was said earlier, losing weight is a matter of taking less calories in than you expend. What matters here is doing it in a healthy way that isn't going to kill you just as fast as being overweight will. I really don't care what you do to your own body, but I do care when you tell someone else to do something that is going to end up with them having to deal with Type 2 Diabetes.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: Xant on December 28, 2013, 06:15:13 pm
No, it isn't scientifically proven by doctors to be bad for your overall health.
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Post by: McCart on December 28, 2013, 06:51:51 pm
You have nothing other than information from "experts" that conflicts with information from other "experts" Xant. And you DON'T know someone who lost weight by eating 5 Big Macs a day unless they were already eating 6 Big Macs a day. Your 1 meal a day plan is scientifically proven by doctors to be bad for your overall health, regardless of whether you can lose weight by doing so. As was said earlier, losing weight is a matter of taking less calories in than you expend. What matters here is doing it in a healthy way that isn't going to kill you just as fast as being overweight will. I really don't care what you do to your own body, but I do care when you tell someone else to do something that is going to end up with them having to deal with Type 2 Diabetes.

This.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 28, 2013, 09:31:55 pm
No, it isn't scientifically proven by doctors to be bad for your overall health.

When you don't understand what you read, I can understand why you can be so ignorant in your statements.

Morning plasma glucose concentrations were significantly greater in subjects when they were consuming 1 meal/d compared to when they were consuming 3 meals/d (Table 1). When consuming 1 meal/d the subjects exhibited poorer glucose tolerance as indicated by a significantly greater and more prolonged elevation of plasma glucose concentrations compared to subjects consuming 3 meals/d diet (Fig. 1). Fasting plasma insulin concentrations were not significantly affected by meal frequency (Table 1), and there were no significant effects of diet on insulin responses to glucose during the OGTT, although there was a trend towards a delayed insulin response when subjects consumed 1 meal/d

link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121099/

That link is from the US National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health. Not some gym rat with a blog.

Do you know what elevated plasma glucose concentrations is called? It's hyperglycemia.

Here, from the diabetes site. http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/hyperglycemia.html (http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/hyperglycemia.html)

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Hyperglycemia is the technical term for high blood glucose (blood sugar). High blood glucose happens when the body has too little insulin or when the body can't use insulin properly.

It isn't a little bit higher when you eat 1 meal a day. It is significantly higher.

What is the result of untreated hyperglycemia? From the Mayo clinic.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyperglycemia/DS01168/DSECTION=complications (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyperglycemia/DS01168/DSECTION=complications)

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Long-term complications
Untreated hyperglycemia can cause long-term complications. These include:

    Cardiovascular disease
    Nerve damage (neuropathy)
    Kidney damage (nephropathy) or kidney failure
    Damage to the blood vessels of the retina (diabetic retinopathy), potentially leading to blindness
    Clouding of the normally clear lens of your eye (cataract)
    Feet problems caused by damaged nerves or poor blood flow that can lead to serious infections
    Bone and joint problems, such as osteoporosis
    Skin problems, including bacterial infections, fungal infections and nonhealing wounds
    Teeth and gum infections

When it finally leads to diabetes:

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Emergency complications
If blood sugar rises high enough or for a prolonged period of time, it can lead to two serious conditions.

    Diabetic ketoacidosis. Diabetic ketoacidosis develops when you have too little insulin in your body. Without enough insulin, sugar (glucose) can't enter your cells for energy. Your blood sugar level rises, and your body begins to break down fat for energy.

    This process produces toxic acids known as ketones. Excess ketones accumulate in the blood and eventually "spill over" into the urine. Left untreated, diabetic ketoacidosis can lead to diabetic coma and be life-threatening.

    Diabetic hyperosmolar syndrome. This condition occurs when people produce insulin, but it doesn't work properly. Blood glucose levels may become very high — greater than 600 mg/dL (33 mmol/L). Because insulin is present but not working properly, the body can't use either glucose or fat for energy.

    Glucose is then dumped in the urine, causing increased urination. Left untreated, diabetic hyperosmolar syndrome can lead to coma and life-threatening dehydration. Prompt medical care is essential.] Emergency complications
If blood sugar rises high enough or for a prolonged period of time, it can lead to two serious conditions.

    Diabetic ketoacidosis. Diabetic ketoacidosis develops when you have too little insulin in your body. Without enough insulin, sugar (glucose) can't enter your cells for energy. Your blood sugar level rises, and your body begins to break down fat for energy.

    This process produces toxic acids known as ketones. Excess ketones accumulate in the blood and eventually "spill over" into the urine. Left untreated, diabetic ketoacidosis can lead to diabetic coma and be life-threatening.

    Diabetic hyperosmolar syndrome. This condition occurs when people produce insulin, but it doesn't work properly. Blood glucose levels may become very high — greater than 600 mg/dL (33 mmol/L). Because insulin is present but not working properly, the body can't use either glucose or fat for energy.

    Glucose is then dumped in the urine, causing increased urination. Left untreated, diabetic hyperosmolar syndrome can lead to coma and life-threatening dehydration. Prompt medical care is essential.

So yeah, if you read all of that and still want to follow Xant's once a day diet, be my guest.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 28, 2013, 11:39:05 pm
Some of the research said that there was positive changes in weight loss on a more frequent meal diet, mostly done on women and children.
Sorry, I'm way too tired and in no mood to write a proper reply with good.arguments, but basically this had me stop reading
I did it by eating 4 meals a day, keeping my fat intake to under 3 grams per day the first week, and under 10 grams per day for the rest of the time.
Why do you cut on your fats? Way to go if you want your libido to drop and your mood to turn bad. Somebody wrote something about carbs not being bad, well let's be clear: carbs are empty calories and your body is able to put them into blood sugar much faster than proteins or fats. Carbs raise your insulin while fat's don't and fats are used in the synthesis of numerous hormones other applications like cell regeneration.
Fat doesn't make you fat, an excess of calories does. Carbs coming in on the second place.

Our ancestors ate mostly meat and nuts, it's when the first people started planting seeds that they suddenly ste a load of carbs and got fat.
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Post by: Umbra on December 28, 2013, 11:58:24 pm
Well if you bothered to read my conclusion you wouldnt come off as an asshole right now, and you would read that i agree there is no difference for weightloss if you eat 1 meal or a lot if the caloric intake is the same
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Post by: Rumblood on December 29, 2013, 12:28:43 am
Sorry, I'm way too tired and in no mood to write a proper reply with good.arguments, but basically this had me stop readingWhy do you cut on your fats? Way to go if you want your libido to drop and your mood to turn bad. Somebody wrote something about carbs not being bad, well let's be clear: carbs are empty calories and your body is able to put them into blood sugar much faster than proteins or fats. Carbs raise your insulin while fat's don't and fats are used in the synthesis of numerous hormones other applications like cell regeneration.
Fat doesn't make you fat, an excess of calories does. Carbs coming in on the second place.

Our ancestors ate mostly meat and nuts, it's when the first people started planting seeds that they suddenly ste a load of carbs and got fat.

Hello? I already have plenty of fat. That is the whole point to this thread. So no, my sex drive is just fine thanks, and my mood is no worse reading ignorant posts than it ever was. Skinny people cutting fat? Yes, poor idea. Fat people cutting fat? Excellent idea. By reducing your fat intake, you force your body to use your reserves for all those wonderful synthesis needed in your body. It works. It isn't a theory, it is in application successfully.
Now you seem like a very smart person, but really, sometimes people just don't think about what it is they are saying and the problem that they are trying to solve. Telling someone loaded with fat reserves that they need fat in their diet and should add more? Not thinking things through my dear sir.
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Post by: Xant on December 29, 2013, 02:33:50 am
When you don't understand what you read, I can understand why you can be so ignorant in your statements.

That link is from the US National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health. Not some gym rat with a blog.

Do you know what elevated plasma glucose concentrations is called? It's hyperglycemia.

Here, from the diabetes site. http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/hyperglycemia.html (http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/hyperglycemia.html)

It isn't a little bit higher when you eat 1 meal a day. It is significantly higher.

What is the result of untreated hyperglycemia? From the Mayo clinic.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyperglycemia/DS01168/DSECTION=complications (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyperglycemia/DS01168/DSECTION=complications)

When it finally leads to diabetes:

So yeah, if you read all of that and still want to follow Xant's once a day diet, be my guest.

It's funny when you say I don't understand what I read, when it's you who clearly doesn't understand. One study says that the plasma glucose concentrations were greater with 1 meal/day.

Because I'm sure that isn't clear enough for you: just because the plasma glucose concentrations are greater doesn't mean they reach hyperglycemia numbers. You clearly didn't read the study, or didn't understand it. Probably both.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 29, 2013, 05:48:14 am
Again, you are simply wrong and refuse to acknowledge it when the information is provided to you. Here is further information for you then. This information comes from the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists. You can get the pdf yourself here:
https://www.aace.com/files/dccwhitepaper.pdf‎ (https://www.aace.com/files/dccwhitepaper.pdf‎)

The relevant portion for you is this:

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In subjects without diabetes,
blood glucose levels typically peak approximately 1
hour after the start of a meal and return to preprandial levels
within 2 to 3 hours; 2-hour postprandial blood glucose
levels rarely exceed 140 mg/dL (39,40). Therefore, the
consensus panel recommends a treatment-targeted 2-hour
postprandial blood glucose level of <140 mg/dL

Postprandial is post-meal btw, and it should be target by treatment if it exceeds 140mg/dL.

Let's take look at that table from the National Institute of Health.

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And the larger image:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121099/figure/F1/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121099/figure/F1/)

And we see that 1 meal a day peaks at 180 and is above 160 for at least an hour.

And more for you. More studies done by doctors that show nerve damage when your glucose levels exceed 140mg/dL

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/24/8/1448.full (http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/24/8/1448.full)

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Of patients with diabetes, 10% have peripheral neuropathy at the time of their diagnosis, suggesting that axonal injury may occur early in the course of glucose intolerance. The American Diabetes Association (ADA) revised diagnostic criteria to recognize IGT (a serum glucose between 140 and 200 mg/dl in a 2-h oral glucose tolerance test [OGTT]) as a risk factor for cardiovascular disease independent of development of diabetes.

From Merriam-Webster: Neuropathy -   an abnormal and usually degenerative state of the nervous system or nerves; also :  a systemic condition that stems from a neuropathy

And before you point to the fasting levels being normal in the above graph, we also have this from the same study:

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A total of 13 of the 107 patients had diabetes, whereas 36 (34%) had IGT, nearly three times the prevalence in age-matched control subjects (P < 0.01). OGTT was often elevated, whereas both fasting plasma glucose and HbA1c were normal.

Now again, do whatever you like to your own body, but quit trying to convince other people to destroy their bodies following your advice simply because you love to argue endlessly even when wrong.
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Post by: Xant on December 29, 2013, 06:18:27 am
Nice try, but no.

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Hyperglycemia, or high blood sugar (also spelled hyperglycaemia or hyperglycæmia, not to be confused with hypoglycemia) is a condition in which an excessive amount of glucose circulates in the blood plasma. This is generally a glucose level higher than 11.1 mmol/l (200 mg/dl)

Are you completely sure you want to continue with this argument? I'd suggest re-reading the study once more, with thought. Because I'm afraid I'm going to have to point out something you've missed, otherwise, and it'll make you look pretty stupid when you've been zealously preaching about it for two pages.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 29, 2013, 06:33:50 am
You never give up, even when given reams of data proving you wrong. Just go your eat 1 meal and get what is coming to you, because I'm done proving you wrong.
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Post by: Xant on December 29, 2013, 06:42:31 am
You know, it's funny, because that study is pro-1 meal and you're using it to argue against it. Those blood glucose levels are from a morning OGTT.

In the present study morning glucose tolerance was impaired when subjects were consuming 1 meal/day compared to 3 meals/day. Fasting (morning) plasma glucose levels were significantly elevated in subjects when they were consuming 1 meal/d compared to 3 meals/d. The latter difference in fasting glucose levels could be explained, in part, by continuing absorption of the greater amount of food consumed in the evening in the subjects on the 1 meal/d diet. Other studies have suggested an adverse effect of meal-skipping diets on insulin sensitivity [20–22]; however, these studies were either epidemiological (with inherent confounds) or involved very short-term (days) changes in diet. Whether the effect of the 1 meal/d diet on glucose tolerance would persist, exacerbate or resolve over time beyond the 2 month experimental diet period of our study is an important question relevant to long-term effects of the diet. However, we did find that the effect of the 1 meal/d diet on glucose tolerance was rapidly reversed upon return to the 3 meal/d diet, indicating that the diet had no long-lasting effect on glucose metabolism.

The OGTTs were performed in the morning. Therefore, when on the 1 meal/d diet the subjects had consumed a much greater amount of food in proximity to the OGTT compared to subjects on 3 meals/d, which could have influenced morning insulin sensitivity. Moreover, circadian variations in glucose tolerance have been documented with tolerance being best in the morning [38]. When not accustomed to a morning meal, and then subjected to a morning OGTT, the subjects eating 1 meal/d may therefore exhibit poorer glucose tolerance compared to those adapted to eating breakfast.

Our findings show that consumption of one unusually large meal per day worsens morning glucose tolerance compared to an isocaloric diet spread across three meals. However, when on 1 meal/d the subjects would have eaten less than those on 3 meals/day if we had not asked them to consume the same amount of food that they normally eat on a 3 meal/d schedule. When rodents are subjected to an alternate day fasting regimen, their overall calorie intake is decreased by 10–30% and they maintain a lower body weight than animals on an ad libitum control diet, and exhibit increased insulin sensitivity and decreased blood pressure [11, 25].Similarly, when maintained on an alternate day calorie restriction diet over a 2 month period, human subjects lost weight and exhibited improved cardiovascular disease and diabetes risk profiles. In the latter study the subjects ate only 400–500 calories on CR days, which resulted in a reduction in plasma leptin levels and an elevation of β-hydroxybutyrate levels only on the CR days, but sustained decreases in plasma insulin levels suggesting improved insulin sensitivity.

Collectively, the available data therefore suggest that meal skipping or intermittent CR diets can result in health benefits including improved glucose regulation, but only if there is an overall reduction in energy intake.

Show me more scientific research that argues against the point you're trying to make, please.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 29, 2013, 07:10:07 am
It doesn't matter if the meal is eaten in the morning, it is still 1 meal per day and the study showed an elevated glucose level in those subjects, period. They, as all good scientists do, attempted to provide some alternate theories as to why that may be, but the results are still the same.
And your rats are not an example at all. Of course a being used to consuming their calories in 3 smaller portions will consume fewer calories in one meal when they switch from 3 meals to 1. The amount you can consume is limited by the physical size of your stomach and it takes time for it to stretch to be able to eat 3 times the amount of food in one sitting. That's why lapband procedures work. That's not the situation in your case where you are used to eating it all in one go and have already stretched your stomach to accomodate it.
When you consume more of your calories in one sitting, you create a larger spike in blood sugar at one time and have to produce more insulin at one time to deal with it. Having that large spike is bad for you, however you may argue. It is basic math, but since you love to argue, again, from the Mayo clinic:
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The more you eat, the higher your blood sugar will rise.
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Your blood sugar level is highest an hour or two after you eat, and then begins to fall. You can help lessen the amount of change in your blood sugar levels if you eat at the same time every day, eat several small meals a day or eat healthy snacks at regular times between meals.

And you haven't even addressed the AACE findings and guidelines, nor the study done on neuropathy in patients with impaired glucose intolerance, which regardless of what excuses you wish to cling to, was demonstrated in the study on the 1 meal a day group.

Damn you hate to be wrong.
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Post by: Xant on December 29, 2013, 05:23:59 pm
Hahahah, you are beautifully clueless. Your first sentence makes no sense. You clearly don't know what an OGTT is and why it matters it was a morning OGTT (even though I copied the text that more or less explains it..)

Of course I haven't addressed the AACE findings or the neuropathy, because they are irrelevant. That's like me saying "eating more than once a day gives you cancer. Here's a link to how bad cancer is. Why aren't you addressing how bad cancer is???"

Again, since reading comprehension appears difficult, I'll copy-paste the conclusion the scientists arrived at (again):

Collectively, the available data therefore suggest that meal skipping or intermittent CR diets can result in health benefits including improved glucose regulation, but only if there is an overall reduction in energy intake.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 29, 2013, 05:58:27 pm
So you claim the data generated is false and can be ignored since they don't support your statement, but you can choose an irrelevant conclusion that doesn't actually address glucose levels from the same study and champion it as proving your point, which by the way was completely contradicted by the Mayo clinic? Classic.

All you are demonstrating is that you can ignore information consistently and continue arguing long past the time that any sane person is willing to continue bothering with you. Those who aren't a brick have gotten the information to ignore your unhealthy advice, mission accomplished.

Ad infinitum. Belongs in your signature.
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Post by: Xant on December 29, 2013, 06:08:03 pm
The data generated is not false, you are simply misinterpreting it.

It's interesting how you choose to champion that study as proving your point, yet the scientists - you know, the people in white lab coats whose job it is to do this, and the people who conducted the study - have reached completely different conclusions based on the data. Hmmmmm...

Thanks for playing, though, but check and mate. 1 meal a day is backed up by logic, scientists, research, evolution and tons of anecdotal evidence.
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Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on December 31, 2013, 02:25:53 am
evolution
i'm dying
oh god xant please, next time, don't say shit you don't know about.

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A 2012 study by Japanese researchers at Waseda University in Tokyo showed that when mice fed one high-fat meal per day were compared with mice fed the same amount of high-fat food split up into two daily meals, the mice who ate once a day gained more weight and had higher levels of insulin in their blood... The scientists suggest that these findings might apply to humans as well.

evolution

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A study published in the April 2007 edition of the "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" examined the effect of one meal a day vs. three. The researchers found that the healthy participants who ate a single meal a day did lose fat mass, but they were hungry. Moreover, they had increased blood pressure and total cholesterol and a decreased cortisol concentration. Cortisol, a steroid hormone, causes your body to send more glucose into your bloodstream when you are under stress.

evolution

Yeah no.
If you take the time humans have had agriculture and you put it up to the time of our whole evolution line you would see it would be very small.
Now riddle me this, back then, we would be hunting and foraging most our days, continually eating food as we went our nomadic ways. Nowhere does evolution support this shitty "one meal a day" crap, our body is made for eating food continually, getting energy at a steady rate.
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Post by: Xant on December 31, 2013, 03:01:37 am
So, the hunter gatherer tribes had hunting groups that went and killed animals; they ate them on the spot immediately, without cooking them, instead of bringing them back to the others. And they caught big game all the time. Nonstop. Many times a day. Ok. Sounds legit bro.
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Post by: Tzar on December 31, 2013, 03:19:28 am
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Post by: [ptx] on December 31, 2013, 03:42:58 am
Hunter gatherer humans had a life expectancy below 30?
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Post by: Xant on December 31, 2013, 03:55:12 am
Hunter gatherer humans had a life expectancy below 30?
Not that it's relevant, but you're wrong:

https://condensedscience.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/life-expectancy-in-hunter-gatherers-and-other-groups/

http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/papers/GurvenKaplan2007pdr.pdf

Now that we've been over that, even if the life expectancy of hunter-gatherers was below 30 (which, to reiterate, it wasn't), it'd be irrelevant. Humans have been hunter-gatherers for most of the two million years we've existed, our bodies, therefore, have adapted for their lifestyle.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 31, 2013, 06:04:04 am
Not that it's relevant, but you're wrong:

https://condensedscience.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/life-expectancy-in-hunter-gatherers-and-other-groups/

http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/papers/GurvenKaplan2007pdr.pdf

Now that we've been over that, even if the life expectancy of hunter-gatherers was below 30 (which, to reiterate, it wasn't), it'd be irrelevant. Humans have been hunter-gatherers for most of the two million years we've existed, our bodies, therefore, have adapted for their lifestyle.

Historical numbers are, as you like to say, anecdotal and the sample median in the modern populations in the graphs from modern hunter-gatherers (who often have access to modern medicines anyhow) is right around 30 years old. So 50% of the population is dead by 30. 38% are dead by 15. However that is all besides the point. Again, in your psychosis and pathological need to be right, you completely ignore the "gatherer" portion of hunter gatherer in an weak attempt to mock Hardness. Roots, herbs, berries, nuts, insects, etc were all gathered and meals were had from them as well, not from "big game kills many times a day". And while they did not have refrigeration, they had other methods for preserving food for the lean times to supplement what they could gather. Not to mention, when a big game kill was made, that kill would last them for multiple meals. They certainly would not have needed "big kills many times a day". 1 big game kill a week or even less along with smaller animals, plus everything mentioned above was more than enough to provide 2-3 meals per day with snacking on the go as they passed through rich areas on the move.
You really should seek professional help for that problem of yours, except you would spend all of your time telling them how to be a counselor as you already know better than they do.
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Post by: Grumbs on December 31, 2013, 01:45:16 pm
I think the bottom line should be the practicality of it all. Asking a fatty to stop being fat by eating one meal a day is just comical to me. The reasons people get fat is because they eat too much and have no structure to their diets or routines, getting them to eat 1 meal under normal circumstances just won't work long term and you have to think long term for weight loss. It has to be sustainable and something people can adopt into their daily routine

The temptation to snack will be too much, and when they do eat they will be so hungry they make huge unhealthy meals. Added to that they probably won't feel like exercising even more
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Post by: Xant on December 31, 2013, 02:31:24 pm
Yet people have done it and lost weight with 1 meal a day. Everything you say is just an opinion, same could go for any number of meals per day.

I mean, have you tried it? I'd guess not. I've never felt more like working out than when eating 1 meal a day. Zero temptation to snack. Ridiculously easy to lose weight.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 31, 2013, 04:55:57 pm
Everything you say is just an opinion.

Sure, everything is just an opinion, when you ignore the actual data...
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Post by: jtobiasm on December 31, 2013, 05:00:17 pm
So much dribble in this thread

cliffs please OP
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Post by: Xant on December 31, 2013, 05:06:00 pm
Sure, everything is just an opinion, when you ignore the actual data...
I'm glad you finally realized that.
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Post by: Adamar on January 03, 2014, 01:58:25 pm
I just avoid fatty food, and walk everyday for 30 min straight, like an old person. I works.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on January 03, 2014, 02:20:03 pm
If anything, I could gain some weight.

I'm all skin and bones
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Post by: POOPHAMMER on January 06, 2014, 09:53:24 am
why is this topic 9 pages long
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Post by: Xant on January 06, 2014, 10:08:06 am
Fuck you, Poophammer. FUCK

YOU
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Post by: Molly on January 06, 2014, 10:15:52 am
Lovely.
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Post by: LordBerenger on January 06, 2014, 11:03:08 am
why is this topic 9 pages long

Because you didn't give me gold
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Post by: Xant on March 06, 2017, 07:16:46 pm
Oh, 2013. Back when the "eat 5-6 meals a day" broscience was the obvious accepted truth. Only one warrior of science dared to question it: Xant. He was ridiculed, for he was ahead of his time, just like Galileo.

Back then, you had to search for the science and research to figure out it was wrong. These days, a simple Google search brings up a thousand sites talking about how fasting is beneficial and there's no scientific backing for the 5-6 meals a day thing.


Some snippets from different sites:

Quote
A 2014 review described that studies done in animal models have shown fasting improves indicators of health—blood pressure, insulin sensitivity, and inflammation—likely through adaptive cellular responses to better handle stress.
According to a 2014 review of the scientific literature, intermittent fasting can cause weight loss of 3-8% over 3-24 weeks.[6]
A study from the University of Ottawa found that on a low-calorie diet, there was no weight loss advantage to splitting calories among six meals rather than three.

A second study found that switching from three daily meals to six did not boost calorie-burning or fat loss. In fact, the researchers concluded, eating six meals a day actually made people want to eat more.

And a research review reached no conclusions about whether meal frequency helps or hurts with weight loss.
This study was published in 2014 and compared eating breakfast vs skipping breakfast in 283 overweight and obese adults (1).

After a 16-week study period, there was no difference in weight between groups.

This study shows that it doesn’t make any difference for weight loss whether you eat or don’t eat breakfast, although there may be some individual variability.
In fact, the evidence actually shows that short-term fasts increase metabolic rate.

This is due to a drastic increase in blood levels of norepinephrine (noradrenaline), which tells the fat cells to break down body fat and stimulates metabolism (26, 27).

Studies show that fasting for up to 48 hours can actually boost metabolism by 3.6-14% (27, 28). However, if you fast much longer than that, the effect can reverse and metabolism can go down compared to baseline (29).

One study showed that fasting every other day for 22 days did not lead to a decrease in metabolic rate, but the participants lost 4% of their fat mass, which is impressive for a period as short as 3 weeks (30).

https://authoritynutrition.com/11-myths-fasting-and-meal-frequency/
http://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/features/6_meals_a_day#1
https://www.jillianmichaels.com/blog/food-and-nutrition/myth-constant-grazing-boosts-your-metabolism
http://muscleevo.net/six-small-meals-a-day/
http://www.intense-workout.com/small_meals.html
https://thepeopleschemist.com/stupid-diet-myth-2-eat-4-6-small-meals-per-day/

And so on. Most link to studies.
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Post by: Molly on March 06, 2017, 07:44:28 pm
Booooring!  :D
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Post by: Gurgumul on March 06, 2017, 08:09:38 pm
Oh, 2013. Back when the "eat 5-6 meals a day" broscience was the obvious accepted truth. Only one warrior of science dared to question it: Xant. He was ridiculed, for he was ahead of his time, just like Galileo.

Back then, you had to search for the science and research to figure out it was wrong. These days, a simple Google search brings up a thousand sites talking about how fasting is beneficial and there's no scientific backing for the 5-6 meals a day thing.


Some snippets from different sites:

https://authoritynutrition.com/11-myths-fasting-and-meal-frequency/
http://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/features/6_meals_a_day#1
https://www.jillianmichaels.com/blog/food-and-nutrition/myth-constant-grazing-boosts-your-metabolism
http://muscleevo.net/six-small-meals-a-day/
http://www.intense-workout.com/small_meals.html
https://thepeopleschemist.com/stupid-diet-myth-2-eat-4-6-small-meals-per-day/

And so on. Most link to studies.

The 5 meals a day meme was made to make people buy more various foods and snacks. It sounds nice and sporty and progressive, because only fat swines eat large meals, progressive fit people eat the same amount but in more and smaller meals, and it totally makes them fit and sporty because hurr back to the roots PALEOEOEOEO. If you're not on at least 2 diets and don't eat 30 kale salads a day, you're officially a white male cis scum I love you famalam.
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Post by: Ikarus on March 07, 2017, 12:06:59 am
I mostly eat when I´m hungry

the trick is to know the difference between having the munchies and actual hunger
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Post by: POOPHAMMER on March 07, 2017, 12:53:03 am
lol wtf why is this topic getting posts now

im not actually fat
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Post by: Gurgumul on March 07, 2017, 01:06:42 am
its okay
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 07, 2017, 01:40:20 am
lol wtf why is this topic getting posts now

im not actually fat

Can confirm, have seen his nudes.
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Post by: Leshma on March 07, 2017, 02:47:25 am
Since last time someone replied in this thread before today I lost over 85 pounds of sweet, delicious fat. I actually may become terminally ill.
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Post by: Xant on March 07, 2017, 04:16:12 am
Since last time someone replied in this thread before today I lost over 85 pounds of sweet, delicious fat. I actually may become terminally ill.
We can only hope.
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 07, 2017, 10:24:30 am
Wow you must've been fat as fuck then Leshma  :lol:
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Post by: Paul on March 07, 2017, 02:50:39 pm
One day he might even get south of 200kg.
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Post by: Leshma on March 08, 2017, 02:16:05 am
Wow you must've been fat as fuck then Leshma  :lol:

Yeah I've been overweight but I'm actually pretty skinny right now and it is hard keeping stable weight. It tends to go up couple of kilos sometimes, then it just drops five kg or so in few days. Not doing anything in particular, I did kick out sugar out of my diet and in general eat a lot less but other than daily walk I'm not that much physically active. Will go to check myself one of these days, although I don't feel sick (other than getting dizzy sometimes when getting up after sitting/lying for longer period). Last time I was at the doctor, blood results were fine but I've never went through any of scanner thingies.

Please note that I'm 31, losing weight involuntarily isn't something that normally occur to people in that age bracket. Usually it goes the other way around. I'm now almost skinniest person I know, including family. Usually were heaviest. It is strange and kinda scares me.

Edit: Bringing sugar back into my diet is not an option because I feel like shit when I taste anything with white sugar added. Feeling severely dehydrated and no matter how much water I drink it doesn't get better for half a day after taking sugar. Also it doesn't taste good anymore. Eating more is also hard because of underlying medical issue (when too full I get all sort of medical issues).
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Post by: the real god emperor on March 08, 2017, 08:12:13 am

Edit: Bringing sugar back into my diet is not an option because I feel like shit when I taste anything with white sugar added. Feeling severely dehydrated and no matter how much water I drink it doesn't get better for half a day after taking sugar. Also it doesn't taste good anymore. Eating more is also hard because of underlying medical issue (when too full I get all sort of medical issues).

From what you say I think this part is the reason why you are losing weight tbh. As Umbra stated in the earliest replies; when you spend more energy than you put in your mouth you lose weight.

People I know lose weight as easy as they gain weight in that age gap. Eating too much sugar products are not natural for humans anyway. I wouldn't worry if I were you. Still, go see a doctor again if you are so concerned.

My father used to be around 100kgs himself, after he had blood related issues he cut down sugar to 0 and now he is 70-75kgs iirc.

A few days ago I was in the bus, a slightly overweight woman approached, asked if it passes by the courthouse. Driver saidthat she needed to walk around 5 minutes after getting off. She then refused to use the bus. Maybe if she accepted that and many similar things in her life, she would be in a better shape. Or yesterday when a friend of mine insisted on using the elevator to get to the lecture class. But what do I know, it might be more challenging for people who aren't skinny af as I am. The only thing I know is only wealthy people with servants used to be overweight before the age of technology.
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Post by: Leshma on March 08, 2017, 04:37:00 pm
I have to be concerned after losing 40% of body weight in year and a half, no way that is normal thing.
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 08, 2017, 04:47:22 pm
Just don't go down to dangerous levels and it's ok.
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Post by: Paul on March 09, 2017, 07:43:00 am
Plus you can grow nice fungi in your newly acquired skinfolds.
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Post by: Leshma on March 09, 2017, 07:05:24 pm
That only happens to morbidly obese and those who lose fat via surgical means. I actually have a little bit of excess skin, but it is hardly noticeable most of the time. Only when I'm lying in specific position, something lose skin touches each other in the middle back portion (and freaks me out as result). But I'm working on it and it has got better during last few months. It is barely visible but you can feel it sometimes moving. Like wearing slightly oversize coat :mrgreen:
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 09, 2017, 07:15:55 pm
Would you also say you at some point grew a neckbeard and did in fact wear a fedora or another fashionable statement hat? 
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 09, 2017, 08:33:16 pm
Ubermensch ftw, i dont gain weight even if i eat trash. 183cm 65kg
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Post by: Gurgumul on March 09, 2017, 09:00:01 pm
Ubermensch twink ftfy, i dont gain weight even if i eat trash. 183cm 65kg
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 09, 2017, 09:24:17 pm
Ubermensch ftw, i dont gain weight even if i eat trash. 183cm 65kg

We got the same build. High five. Though been a few years since I measured my height but I remember it being around 185.
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 09, 2017, 09:35:05 pm
We got the same build. High five. Though been a few years since I measured my height but I remember it being around 185.

Scandinavia breeds perfect beings. The cold shapes us.
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Post by: Leshma on March 09, 2017, 09:54:19 pm
Would you also say you at some point grew a neckbeard and did in fact wear a fedora or another fashionable statement hat?

i don't even know where to buy hipster gear
bout beard, i'd like to wear one but can't stand being hairy
have very strong beard, like homer simpson
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Post by: Yeldur on March 10, 2017, 12:52:06 am
i like eggrolls
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Post by: Paul on March 10, 2017, 07:45:11 am
Ubermensch ftw, i dont gain weight even if i eat trash. 183cm 65kg

micro-stomach skeleton detected
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 10, 2017, 11:00:29 am
micro-stomach skeleton detected

That would be more like 40-50kg mark. Just work out once a week and you can eat all the shit you want to stay at the same point.
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 10, 2017, 12:53:38 pm
micro-stomach skeleton detected

Ive got a good chunk of loose fat/skin to tug on, aint no skeleton. Gotta keep fat reserves to stay warm.
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Post by: Paul on March 10, 2017, 01:21:31 pm
Outside of childhood the muh metabolism thing is secondary from how I see it. It's more about the amount of food. Skeletons tend to overestimate how much energy they consume, fatties do the opposite. When people age they blame weight gain on they slower metabolism. While it does slow down, the main reason tends to be that they move less and eat more as far as I know.
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Post by: njames89 on March 10, 2017, 03:27:00 pm
Just eat sushi all the time and the parasites will keep you thin!
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 10, 2017, 03:28:19 pm
Just eat sushi all the time and the parasites will keep you thin!

I could do that, sushi is fucking top tier. Fish is best food
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Post by: njames89 on March 10, 2017, 03:32:41 pm
I could do that, sushi is fucking top tier. Fish is best food

Yeah I love Japanese cuisine if I had to pick one type of food to eat for the rest of my life it would be Japanese.

I went to one of those fancy restaurants where the sushi/maki goes by on a little river in boats and god damn it was amazing

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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 10, 2017, 03:36:06 pm
If you could only eat one dish for the rest of your life, it would be pizza. Every topping is possible.
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 10, 2017, 04:18:23 pm
Yeah I love Japanese cuisine if I had to pick one type of food to eat for the rest of my life it would be Japanese.

I went to one of those fancy restaurants where the sushi/maki goes by on a little river in boats and god damn it was amazing

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I think i would get sick of rice and noodles tho. I'd probably stick with good ol' swedish cuisine. Rice wont make you tall or stronk. Milk, taters and freshwater fish will! A solid Broth can be just as good as almost anything.
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Post by: njames89 on March 10, 2017, 04:19:28 pm
You probably eat that dirty fermented fish don't you
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 10, 2017, 04:22:10 pm
You probably eat that dirty fermented fish don't you

I dont, but i would probably try it if i had the chance.
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Post by: Leshma on March 10, 2017, 04:39:43 pm
If you could only eat one dish for the rest of your life, it would be pizza. Every topping is possible.

Used to enjoy pizza immensely. These days it is still great taste when I try it but when it goes down in digestive system, burping and general uneasy feeling start to bother me. I think that's the main difference between good and bad food. Good food you don't even notice while digesting, has no side effects. Just provides you with necessary nutrients. Taste might not seem strong at first bite like of highly addictive food, but after a while you get used to it and learn to appreciate its mild, natural taste.

Now I truly enjoy eating cooked veggies and chicken breasts or some other meat or fish, without ton of spices and flavour intensifiers. It just feels good while eating and especially while digesting it.

Of course, this is individual and not everyone has problem with digestive system like I do and side effects and trash food don't bother them in the slightest. Many probably have different food they react badly to. But think that in general spicy, strong food have similar effects to general population.

Today, I barely ingest anything that is specifically made via industrial means. I do eat meat and veggies that are questionably grown, because that is impossible to avoid unless you have ton of money to spend on food or your own gardens. But sodas, sugary food, biscuits, cakes, chocolate, chips, all kind of food that is preprocessed in some way, I just don't eat any of that anymore. Don't even drink juice they sell in supermarket, only made from fresh fruit when I'm in the mood to squeeze it myself.

They still mainly market salami and that kind of food on TV, it's no wonder people are eating it when is the only thing you can see in commercials.
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Post by: Molly on March 10, 2017, 05:16:59 pm
Surströmming D:

Although, I've heard from people who ate it that it's actually rather mild in taste and smell if prepared properly.
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Post by: njames89 on March 10, 2017, 05:21:57 pm
Surströmming D:

Although, I've heard from people who ate it that it's actually rather mild in taste and smell if prepared properly.

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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 10, 2017, 05:24:15 pm
Surströmming D:

Although, I've heard from people who ate it that it's actually rather mild in taste and smell if prepared properly.

Secret strat is to open it under water i believe, that stops the explosion of stink. I can only imagine the taste being rather salty, probably really good with hard bread and taters.
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Post by: Molly on March 10, 2017, 05:25:27 pm
Secret strat is to open it under water i believe, that stops the explosion of stink. I can only imagine the taste being rather salty, probably really good with hard bread and taters.
Bucket of water and not in closed spaces :D
Always take that stuff outside when you like your home!
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Post by: njames89 on March 10, 2017, 05:26:57 pm
Bucket of water and not in closed spaces :D
Always take that stuff outside when you like your home!

Step 1: Open smelly fish can

Step 2: Rub smelly fish into carpet

Step 3: Leave Gravoth's house and never return to Sweden

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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 10, 2017, 05:28:45 pm
Step 1: Open smelly fish can

Step 2: Rub smelly fish into carpet

Step 3: Leave Gravoth's house and never return to Sweden

Implying ive got carpets. I like to live simple, besides it probably wouldnt stand a chance against my man-stink.

Also i fucking love mackarel, which a lot of people think smells. So that might already be lingerin around here.
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Post by: njames89 on March 10, 2017, 05:32:47 pm
Implying ive got carpets. I like to live simple, besides it probably wouldnt stand a chance against my man-stink.

I really like carpet on my feet
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 10, 2017, 05:40:47 pm
I really like carpet on my feet

I'll let you feet my carpet  :oops:
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Post by: njames89 on March 10, 2017, 05:49:08 pm
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Post by: Leshma on March 10, 2017, 08:01:34 pm
You probably eat that dirty fermented fish don't you

Don't think Scandinavians eat that nowadays, but I've heard that Americans whose ancestors came from Scandinavia have festivals where they eat fermented fish. I think those festival are taking place somewhere in Minnesota.

James, are you from Quebec?
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 11, 2017, 10:14:24 am
Traditional food; watered down porridge and some fish.
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Post by: njames89 on March 11, 2017, 06:13:27 pm
Don't think Scandinavians eat that nowadays, but I've heard that Americans whose ancestors came from Scandinavia have festivals where they eat fermented fish. I think those festival are taking place somewhere in Minnesota.

James, are you from Quebec?

Grew up half in Quebec half in Ontario but I live in Ontario now.
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Post by: the real god emperor on March 11, 2017, 06:45:12 pm
Bucket of water and not in closed spaces :D
Always take that stuff outside when you like your home!
Secret strat is to open it under water i believe, that stops the explosion of stink. I can only imagine the taste being rather salty, probably really good with hard bread and taters.
Or how about y'all don't eat freakin rotten fish
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Post by: Gurgumul on March 11, 2017, 07:08:48 pm
well then, mister genius, how about you tell us how to unrot fish, eh?
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 11, 2017, 07:41:57 pm
Or how about y'all don't eat freakin rotten fish

How about you stop eating stuff you like
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Post by: the real god emperor on March 11, 2017, 07:44:33 pm
How about you stop eating stuff you like

Stuff I like doesn't smell like death
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 11, 2017, 08:00:20 pm
Stuff I like doesn't smell like death

It does, you just dont notice it over your turk stink
I went there
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Post by: the real god emperor on March 11, 2017, 08:05:06 pm
It does, you just dont notice it over your turk stink
I went there

mods pls
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 11, 2017, 08:19:31 pm
A turk talking about stuff that stinks, the irony.  :wink: 8-) 8-) :| :| :? :wink: :wink: :? :? :)
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Post by: Leshma on March 12, 2017, 01:59:13 am
Grew up half in Quebec half in Ontario but I live in Ontario now.

Ontario like Toronto or near the lake? Are you living in concrete jungle or in natural habitat like true Canadian?

Is it true that French Canadien speak English language as much I do, only when they need to communicate with someone who isn't from Quebec?

With a little bit of luck 25 years ago I could be Canadian citizen today. Oh well...
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 12, 2017, 02:13:37 am
Just put on old shoe cream and claim you're from some 3rd world shithole and you're in. Fidel Castro' son Cuckdeau is the PM after all.
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Post by: Leshma on March 12, 2017, 03:48:49 pm
They only take refugees from war affected areas.
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 12, 2017, 03:51:18 pm
They only take refugees from war affected areas.

But daily you live through war on your computer and or TV screen.