I think with all the changes we've seen a full stat respec by level is probably in order, especially if the skill conversion rate is changed as was discussed before. Heirloom respec wouldn't hurt, either, I guess, but I think it should be coupled with a second round of heirloom theft to make up for the ridiculous prepatch retirement.
i'm not a fan of this, but it might happen.(click to show/hide)
i'm not a fan of this, but it might happen.(click to show/hide)
No need for Character re-spec, retirement takes care of that need. Heirloom re-spec, yes i am all for that.
No need for Character re-spec, retirement takes care of that need. Heirloom re-spec, yes i am all for that.
i'm not a fan of this, but it might happen.(click to show/hide)
If you do end up doing this i would greatly apreciate it as well as many others if u dont steal my hierlooms again. it would just tick off a bunch of the high gen ppl who are now starting to cool of all over again and we dont want that do we?+1. Just let us reset our heirlooms peacefully and everyone will be happy =).
This thread is beyond sillyness.
No heirloom theft planned.
Level 31s already have perfect builds if they meant to stay at that level...i mean perfect builds relative to the new patch. And since the patch is just that, new, i can guarantee you that there is a very unfair build just waiting to be found. I would prefer if people had to actually work to get to that really cheap build, instead of just having it because they were exploiting a cheap build in the first place.
just for the record:
no stat respec
heirloom amount will be adjusted.
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no stat respec
heirloom amount will be adjusted.
Thanks for an answer on this matter okiN, I wouldn't mind a heirloom theft if it mainly targets high generation players.
Also, please submit your vote on the feedback forum (http://crpg.uservoice.com/forums/110267-general?lang=en&utm_campaign=Widgets&utm_content=tab-widget&utm_medium=Popin+Widget&utm_source=crpg.uservoice.com) and maybe even on this topic (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,4545.0.html).
If they do let everyone reassign heirlooms, I don't think they should do it until after they've fixed all those weapons which are mysteriously missing. As for the matter itself, I think that while it's bad to merely let people swap their heirlooms when a bunch of items have gotten nerfed, on account of that'll just make a mass migration of players towards different "best in slot" choices, the slot system and the fact that several items had their requirements changed should possibly warrant a swap, although I guess that's one of the reasons the retirement system was implemented in the first place; the ability to change your spec when you should want to. It's not as if people can't get simply more heirlooms, too.
A wipe would really only effect people who play often enough to receive several heirlooms in the first place, for the most part, so it wouldn't be a very necessary thing to do anyway.
Is this not the point of the game? To retire and get heirlooms? XP gains? Why play if there is nothing to look forward to? The constant nerf is getting old.
heirloom amount will be adjusted.
hierloom respec + theft?
although we ensure that it is completely fair this time
although we ensure that it is completely fair this time
heirlooms were never intended to be a central feature of the game. Originally they were implemented to ensure that 90% of the population was not always above level 35. But that was when the game was a slow paced and geared torwards progression.
although we ensure that it is completely fair this time
Hey chadz, some people are wondering about those who sold their heirlooms because they thought they were useless now because of the patch...are they gonna be hurting or are you gonna have some mercy for those poor souls?
No need for Character re-spec, retirement takes care of that need. Heirloom re-spec, yes i am all for that.
And from chadz comment I'm assuming that "heirloom respec + theft" means that those of us who aren't gen 10+ are going to get fucked again because our ONE masterwork we finally achieved will get bumped down to a first gen heirloom while people like goretooth with still end up with enough heirloom points to have 3x upgraded armor + weapon as always.
although we ensure that it is completely fair this timetotal erasing of all current heirlooms?
And from chadz comment I'm assuming that "heirloom respec + theft" means that those of us who aren't gen 10+ are going to get fucked again because our ONE masterwork we finally achieved will get bumped down to a first gen heirloom
:cry:
just for the record:
no stat respec
heirloom amount will be adjusted.
right, back to not announcing stuff any more
but rather than only those players getting punished, EVERYONE is. That is ridiculous.
chadz,
Just for the record:
I think you're an unreasonable asshat who isn't taking the contributions of your players' to this community seriously. I apologize if you take offense, but I'm being honest here about what I perceive to be the case. It seems like you are attempting to punish particular players who did things with your heirloom system/character system that you don't approve of, but rather than only those players getting punished, EVERYONE is. That is ridiculous.
This is what you SHOULD do, were you to be AT ALL concerned about the health and sanity of the community:
1. FULL HEIRLOOM RESPEC, WITH NO LOSSES. People put in LOTS of time to get heirlooms they have. Stealing them again makes you a prick.
2. FULL CHARACTER RESPEC: Some people don't have time to retire and grind all the way up again to fix a build that YOU broke. They shouldn't have to. When making builds that worked before useless now, a free character respec is the ONLY decent thing to do.
P.S. You can ban me, delete my post, disagree with me, or whatever, but none of that will change the fact that 80%+ of the community feels this way. I hope that you can look past my hostile delivery, and truly comprehend the essence of this message.
please quote me on that, where did you find that info.
Everyone having heirlooms stolen = Everyone punished.Maybe you missed my hint, because I never said that.
Maybe you missed my hint, because I never said that.
Also, how is that punishing? it's balancing, not punishing. If I would take your heirlooms only, that would be punishing.
There's no fucking godgiven right to have 50 heirlooms.
Dont argue with a junkie chadz its pointless :lol:
Doenst matter how much logic you post they still wont see that there gen33 charaters and arsenal of heirlooms was a mistake in the first place...
Maybe you missed my hint, because I never said that.
Also, how is that punishing? it's balancing, not punishing. If I would take your heirlooms only, that would be punishing.
There's no fucking godgiven right to have 50 heirlooms.
Maybe you missed my hint, because I never said that.
Also, how is that punishing? it's balancing, not punishing. If I would take your heirlooms only, that would be punishing.
There's no fucking godgiven right to have 50 heirlooms.
I just retired 2 days ago to try a new build and im all rdy lvl 26 mind you im only Gen 3 why dont u just soak it up like a man and retire too and quit demanding respecs like a spoiled brat??
Not everyone can spend 8+ hours a day playing cRPG to grind up to fix a problem that we did not create. Some of us have families, jobs, etc.
Done responding to this thread. It's becoming childish, and there is too much brown-nosing going on for my tastes.
You got some brown on your nose there, son.
There's no fucking godgiven right to have 50 heirlooms.
although we ensure that it is completely fair this time
Not everyone can spend 8+ hours a day playing cRPG to grind up to fix a problem that we did not create. Some of us have families, jobs, etc.
Done responding to this thread. It's becoming childish, and there is too much brown-nosing going on for my tastes.
Instead of a heirloom respec, what about a generation theft ?
right, back to not announcing stuff any more
(i really can't stand people talking out of their ass)
Maybe you missed my hint, because I never said that.
He cant rly give all the old op hybrid builds a free respec while all the honest people who retired after patch gets buttfucked now can he???
I just retired 2 days ago to try a new build and im all rdy lvl 26 mind you im only Gen 3 why dont u just soak it up like a man and retire too and quit demanding respecs like a spoiled brat??
Wow, what self-righteous crap. How is it dishonest to play the game, should people who play more never retire because you can only play enough to get to generation 3. I and many others enjoyed playing the game (still enjoy it) and now you try to say its dishonest because you played less and think it fair that players who played the most should be punished the most (do you come from a socialist country?), while not affecting you in any way. Its not FAIR to do heirloom limit to the people who are over the limit while you are still under so unaffected, the essence of FAIRNESS is to not single out one group of people as compared to another, which was why the universal 1/3 last time was the closest thing to fair you could find. Plus you do realize when you hit that limit and you try going any level above 32 with the xp nerf that at that moment you can never modify your character in any way for the better, you've reached the maximum development of your character and the rpg elements disappear from it. I can only assume you are another one of those people who blame heirlooms for why you lose fights instead of actually getting better at manual blcoking, feinting, chambering (look at the stats, +1 speed, +2 damage is not going to cause a win or loss in a duel).
If heirlooms make such little difference in fights, then 1) why did you get them in the first place, and 2) why do you care if you lose them?
They add a role-playing element thats been steadily disappearing with each patch and its nice sense of yes I've heirloomed my favorite equipment and its unique to me and my character and therefore different from every other guy using the same exact weapon or the same armor. My heirloomed body armor is far from the best (mameluke mail) but it allows me have armor geared toward middle-eastern themed character, yet to have closer to the same armor as all the unoriginal black armor/gothic plate and armet users min/maxing. It didn't give an advantage but put me on closer to even footing with people that are not role-playing with their armor and equipment. I used the Miadao and Daodao (chinese swords) because they are the closest looking to middle-eastern curved swords among the 2hed swords, I use the khergit/strong bows because they look more middle-eastern then warbow/longbow. Heirlooming adds just enough to not sacrifice role-playing for functionality.
However, xbows/bows is the one area where heirlooming makes a huge difference, not as OP, but with all the continual nerfs to ranged, to make them viable classes against the increasing assortment of polearm/2hers/1hersshiedlers.
I am 2h/archer right now with no plans to retire and many of my heirlooms I planned on trading away because they don't fit this class or my middle eastern style, but with a heirloom theft I would be only heirlooming a bow and a set of arrows (have to if want viability) and mail gauntlets (go with any armor) and much of the connection with my theme is lost where it doesn't really matter which armor or 2her I use. Its no longer my unique masterwork miadao with lordly mameluke mail, its just another piece of inferior armor and weapon I can choose to use or I can buy gothic plate with a winged helm and not gimp myself for the sake of role-playing.
Think of it this way, you saw so many people using side sword/military pick/elegant poleaxe/danish greatsword pre-patch, I never heirloomed those things even though they were the current OP theme, rather I heirloomed non-OP weapons that fit my theme so they could stand on closer to even footing with the unbalanced weapons. And to say just make all weapons balanced is not possible, already people are shifting toward Great Long Axes, Bec de Corbins, and Highland Claymores with the new patch. Also, one of the reasons I am against a respec too because people who heirloomed based on role playing are not going to change their triple-heirloomed stones, only people who heirloomed FlavorOfTheMonth weapons will switch heirlooms and it will be the new FOTM.
right, back to not announcing stuff any more
(i really can't stand people talking out of their ass)
As someone who only ever heirloomed crappy gear (because I like how it looks) I totally agree with the above. Some of us heirloom crap because we like to use it and don't want to be too far below everyone else. +1agreed
Why do you act this way? Why punish people that have kept your mod alive? I dont understand or agree with your reasoning. I know that I am an NA player and you could prob care less about us... but we do make up a good chunk of the population and was expanding until Strat went down for over 4 months. The point is that if you punish or as you say "balance" all of our hard work... then people will lose interest! I would hope that you would like to hear suggestions from your community without getting upset because not everyone agrees with you.
ps. BTW TSAR you are a brown noser. Nobody like an ass kisser. Good luck with life dude.
Seriously people do you really think you're entitled to this mod?
I bought warband, so yes, I do. People can be banned from the servers and databases, but with a fairly simple change to a couple files, one could host their own database and server. Mods are, by their very nature, open source. Other people assist chadz in the development and balancing of this mod, population aside. Anyone with modding/coding skill and html knowledge could take the existing c-RPG code and duplicate it, making a new database to draw information from, and to store the code. This hypothetical person could then take the game in the direction of popular opinion, balancing and making changes that the community WANTS. They could also post a real changelog, and accept feedback from the community in a mature way.
Even if a mod is not announced as being open source, few modders have any way to stop others from "borrowing" their code to create something different.
Should chadz be commended for the work he has done in bringing this mod to the public? Absolutely.
Should anyone assume that the community will remain healthy, let alone "his community", if he constantly goes against popular opinion with dictator-like enthusiasm? I wouldn't.
You bought Warband so you're entitled to Native and all publically available mods.
Sp far I haven't seen a positive or supportive comment coming from you
Does trying to balance a mod justify insulting him?
Maybe because chadz doesn't owe him anything, and doesn't have to put up with that kind of bullshit talk from any one who is enjoying the mod he's worked so hard on for free.WOW another ass kisser... You are wrong he owes us the right to give our opinion. So give yours and stop whining about mine. Just because chadz created the mod does not mean that he can butcher it without hearing his followers voices.
Seriously people do you really think you're entitled to this mod? Much less a few heirlooms or a class/build. Get your heads out of your asses.
Fixed the first line. As far as the second, I could point out positive comments, even if only in this thread, that you seem to ignore.
As far as the "insults" go, you're right. I could, and should have censored myself with my original post. For not doing so, I offer my apologies to both chadz and the community as a whole.
But that does not change the facts. And this is the internet, ladies and gentlemen. People are vulgar, crude, and blunt. Grow a thicker skin and look at the facts rather than the method of delivery.
EDIT: Bolded apology so that those who seem to only skim posts wouldn't miss it.
Many people are not reading my post....this is not meant to be a troll topic. Either +1 or -1 and vote. If you want to discuss how much you hate the mod you can go post on the taleworlds boards where no one will read it.Agreed... Just hope some things can be saved.
Pretty sad it took someone calling you out to get you to apologize.
It maybe the internet but that doesn't justify scumbaggery. I treat and talk to people online the same way as I do in real life, and I expect the same of other people.
I would have said the same thing in person. It took a lot of buildup for that to happen. It wasn't just the poor way in which this specific thread/issue was handled. It has been an accumulation of resentment that was built up and just happened to be released in this thread. If that same thing happened face to face, my reaction would have been about the same. But again, this is the internet. People in general are less apt to be polite, and all of us should learn to deal with that.ugh its true, over the net people become troll :shock:
Maybe you missed my hint, because I never said that.
Also, how is that punishing? it's balancing, not punishing. If I would take your heirlooms only, that would be punishing.
There's no fucking godgiven right to have 50 heirlooms.
..but with a fairly simple change to a couple files, one could host their own database and server. Mods are, by their very nature, open source.[..] Anyone with modding/coding skill and html knowledge could take the existing c-RPG code and duplicate it, making a new database to draw information from, and to store the code. This hypothetical person could then take the game in the direction of popular opinion, balancing and making changes that the community WANTS.
If making an improved copy of cRPG was so easy, I wonder why no one else is doing it. Mercenaries mod is trying but with pretty limited success so far. We shall see what comes out of that.
Balancing game by "community opinion" does not work, especially when your definition of "community" apparently means the loudest 5% of the player base. Most people lobby for their own preferred play style and have wildly differing opinions about what direction the game should go to (hardcore/casual, melee/ranged, level cap/no cap, gold&xp gain rate, maps, game types etc. etc.). Community opinion is of course taken into account when making balance/other changes, but making everyone happy with every change is simply impossible.
especially when your definition of "community" apparently means the loudest 5% of the player base.
OKAY! I think everyone got to see the opinions now (even though it looks like the ones for the repicks have supported facts). But either way I think that enough has been said and maybe we should just post for a bump only. Its turning into a trolling match that is not needed. Hopefully chadz has read all of this and can make his decision accordingly. In the end it is his decision no matter what we say. Good luck to everyone. GET PEOPLE TO VOTE ON THIS THREAD!!!
What supported facts?? lol, this entire thread is just a series of opinions about a game and what the definition of fairness is. The original pollw as for respec, but if the voters had known that would necessarily would include a nother round of heirloom theft, most of thoses yeses would be noes as they were voted before that piece of news came out. (though people should have realized it from the last heirloom theft).I would hate to lose heirloom points, but would take a loss rather than keep useless nerfed ones. Think a lot of people know how chadz works and this info you speak of would not have changed their votes.
I would hate to lose heirloom points, but would take a loss rather than keep useless nerfed ones. Think a lot of people know how chadz works and this info you speak of would not have changed their votes.it would have changed my vote
Dunno why so many people voted no...no one has anything to lose with a repick
a repick/stat redistribution leads to less diversity.
Also, people don't quit, they just retire.
a repick/stat redistribution leads to less diversity.
So.. let me get this straight. You're letting us re-pick pretty much 3 heirlooms out of our 10 or so? That's not helpful at all, honestly.
a repick/stat redistribution leads to less diversity.Why does a repick leads to less diversity?
Why does a repick leads to less diversity?
Hm... do you want to force the people to use their heirloomed stuff?
The base stats of my heirloomed weapon were nerfed. So I dont use it any more... heirloomed or not.
Than trade it away with a new heirloom trading system, because a heirloom reset also means a heirloom theft.1. I dont know how the trading system will work. Let us assume I can exchange a heirloomed weapon with another player. I cannot be sure that another player will exchange his weapon with my weapon. Imho the main problem is the weapon balance. If the weapons are balanced you will have a diversity and you will be able to exchange your weapon. But than you will not have a problem with a repick. If the weapons are balanced the players will not choose the same weapon.