Patch Poll

[Devestater]

OKAY! I think everyone got to see the opinions now (even though it looks like the ones for the repicks have supported facts). But either way I think that enough has been said and maybe we should just post for a bump only. Its turning into a trolling match that is not needed. Hopefully chadz has read all of this and can make his decision accordingly. In the end it is his decision no matter what we say. Good luck to everyone. GET PEOPLE TO VOTE ON THIS THREAD!!!

[Keshian]

OKAY! I think everyone got to see the opinions now (even though it looks like the ones for the repicks have supported facts). But either way I think that enough has been said and maybe we should just post for a bump only. Its turning into a trolling match that is not needed. Hopefully chadz has read all of this and can make his decision accordingly. In the end it is his decision no matter what we say. Good luck to everyone. GET PEOPLE TO VOTE ON THIS THREAD!!!

What supported facts?? lol, this entire thread is just a series of opinions about a game and what the definition of fairness is.  The original pollw as for respec, but if the voters had known that would necessarily would include a nother round of heirloom theft, most of thoses yeses would be noes as they were voted before that piece of news came out. (though people should have realized it from the last heirloom theft).

[San]

I'd be happier if after a patch, some more of the changed game mechanics are released.

I still see people questioning wpf requirements for melee and throwing weapons, and things like that.
Even if we respec, my build will probably be the same but I would need to be more careful about what points I put into wpf.

I also prefer balance by buffing/changing the broken aspect instead of nerfing everything unless those things were beyond broken.

[Devestater]

What supported facts?? lol, this entire thread is just a series of opinions about a game and what the definition of fairness is.  The original pollw as for respec, but if the voters had known that would necessarily would include a nother round of heirloom theft, most of thoses yeses would be noes as they were voted before that piece of news came out. (though people should have realized it from the last heirloom theft).

I would hate to lose heirloom points, but would take a loss rather than keep useless nerfed ones. Think a lot of people know how chadz works and this info you speak of would not have changed their votes.

[Centurion]

I would hate to lose heirloom points, but would take a loss rather than keep useless nerfed ones. Think a lot of people know how chadz works and this info you speak of would not have changed their votes.

it would have changed my vote

[Torp]

Tbh, i'd say the big patch made retiring the only viable option as most people dont want to only lvl once every month after hitting 31.
Therefore retiring was the natural choice when reaching lvl 30 in order to feel some progress again, and that's why i dont think it should be punished.

chadz basically asked us to retire all the time (and tehrefore heirlooming all the time), and then he shouldnt punish us for doing it.

It has nothing to do with abusing a broken system this time

[Ecko]

Dunno why so many people voted no...no one has anything to lose with a repick

[Keshian]

Dunno why so many people voted no...no one has anything to lose with a repick

You did notice that chadz said a repick was only possible with a new round of heirloom theft  (many of those noes came after that bit of news came out) and no character respec, so yes a lot of people have plenty to lose.  Would have been nicer to just set up a heirloom trading system and use the heirlooms in trade, but now with a heirloom reset everyone will have less than they had before.  If you started your poll again now with a choice between no respec of heirlooms or a nother round of heirloom theft with respec your poll would probably be mostly noes.

[chadz]

a repick/stat redistribution leads to less diversity.

[Duster]

a repick/stat redistribution leads to less diversity.

Less diversity than if people quit because their build is jacked and they don't want to grind forever to even get a viable character back?

Come on.

Also, people don't quit, they just retire.

You're quite wrong, I know of several people just in ATS at least taking abreak until this mess is sorted out.

[Keshian]

a repick/stat redistribution leads to less diversity.

+1, true words.  Rather than taking weeks/months for people to filter into the new OP class/build/weapon heirloom it can happen overnight.


Also, people don't quit, they just retire.

[Reinhardt]

So.. let me get this straight. You're letting us re-pick pretty much 3 heirlooms out of our 10 or so? That's not helpful at all, honestly.

[Keshian]

So.. let me get this straight. You're letting us re-pick pretty much 3 heirlooms out of our 10 or so? That's not helpful at all, honestly.

I know, wouldn't it be better if I traded you my masterwork bec (so tired of that thing) for your masterwork side sword (need some new 1hers as archer)  or if I gave you a champion cataphract horse with heavy great long axe for your masterwork bastard sword and 10,000 gold??  It would also keep some incentive to retire as people now heirlooming particularly desirable heirlooms (like new items) could get 2-3 heirlooms to compensate from those of us not retiring anymore.  You could trade with alts, you could trade with clanmates.  I don't see how this original plan by chadz isn't better than heirloom theft with respec where the amount of heirlooms rapidly decreases along with the incentive to retire.

I had already planned on trading away half my heirlooms as they are either the wrong class for my build or don't fit my character's role-playing theme.  Such a market would not thrive on a new feeling of scarcity created by a heirloom theft.

[Torp]

I'm still saying that chadz encouraged us to retire and tehrefore get heirlooms with the lvl 31 cap big-patch. He shouldnt punish us for doing it then.

[Kherr]

a repick/stat redistribution leads to less diversity.

Why does a repick leads to less diversity?

Hm... do you want to force the people to use their heirloomed stuff?
The base stats of my heirloomed weapon were nerfed. So I dont use it any more... heirloomed or not.

Edit:
If the weapons are balanced a repick should not be a problem.