nothing you said actually disputes that this is a preplanned fief transfer in the middle of war between two members of the same faction... which is, once again, the exact thing that fallen did before getting carpet bombed.
if they don't actually fight and blackzilla gets it for free and does not attack any other hero party fiefs... then yeah i would say it is all done in bad faith with the intent to cheat in strat.
claiming "blackzilla is dumb so they are tricking him into doing what they want" doesn't do it for me either. This is premeditated. Smooth raged pretty hard when Tydeus took his troops and left. And he even described blackzilla as "our vanguard of freedom."
Smooth hasn't said a word in the blackzilla hero party rebellion thread and he has not signed up anyone but himself to defend the city so far. Maybe I will be proven wrong here, maybe smooth will sign up a defense at the last second and they will have a real fight... but i doubt it. Maybe aladin will carpet bomb them afterwards... but i doubt it.
p.s. I tried to link to the thread with smooth being all mad at tydeus, but apparently we cant link to other threads cause it just changes the address to a bundle of sticks. you can find it on page 2 of the diplomacy section (currently) under "Hero Party Refuses To Negotiate With Terrorists"
It's the inconsistencies smooth.
you cant be a raging sperg when tydeus runs off with a few troops and then completely not care when blackzilla does the same and then attacks you with them. The bullshit is too obvious.
plus I've never asked for you to ban. A permanent forum mute wouldn't hurt... but I have no issue with you playing strat and crpg... although resorting to these kinds of tactics is pretty low... I can only imagine how you would explode on the forums if positions were reversed.
yeah malaclypse - keep defending it. From what i gather this was done on chaos ts.
how odd, I thought blackzilla was in a different clan than smooth? Why the same banner then?(click to show/hide)
One can be in different strat factions, yet use the same banner/TS channel.
My clan and Astralis is the given example, though we don't use astralis banner cause ours is cooler.
I like black and he my buddy.
Other good examples: Ildist of Chaos, Gmno.
I've never attacked the FCC's fiefs when they were under-siege to delay a battle. Please don't compare me to this situation because its entirely different.
And here we are a day after the fief transfer Blackzilla has rejoined smoothrich's faction after securing all the gold and gear.Its been 3 days? I got tired of FCC being annoying and was threatened by Occitain.
So they threatened you to rejoin HP/SS instead of threatening you to join Occitan? I'm confused, I mean the actions thus far all indicate to delaying a siege on a castle by attacking your own faction. I think this is a good time for you to explain your rationale for this whole event and what you were honestly trying to accomplish by this.The point of the rebellion was to start a new faction with bear, but we had some disagreements. Occitain messaged me saying, join SS or die. I like life soooo.
First you declared your rebellion and then you attacked your ex clan in the middle of a war. You un-hire everyone except a handful of people to minimize losses. You take the castle effortlessly. 3 days later your rebellion ends and you go right back into the faction that you said you disliked being in. I kept any of my opinions on the matter out of this and tried to look at it as straight facts. Tell me what the whole point of this was from your perspective.
The point of the rebellion was to start a new faction with bear, but we had some disagreements. Occitain messaged me saying, join SS or die. I like life soooo.
how exactly does occitan pose any threat to your life? it is internet horsies. Are they going to send arowaine to your house to kill you? Maybe you should call the police.
Smoothrich was fief transferring with Blackzilla, Blackzilla was in turn going to troll Smoothrich by defecting for real instead of following Smooth's plans of just taking the fief over so FCC couldn't keep attacking it without anyone to manage gear but then decided not to because Occitan were going to attack or something?
I went along with whatever he was saying because the game was being too much of a pain in the ass to keep trying to handle anything and would gladly let it be someone else's problem.Hmm...
Dude I've been getting shit for the past 2-3 days about schemes and plotters and people either defecting entirely to FCC or w/e or having to be threatened/persuaded to stay... The infighting, betrayals, and griefing have been ridiculous, but I am used to it from LLJK so its rather normal to me.Maybe given that both clans you've led imploded, were full of infighting, betrayals and griefing, and involves you threatening/persuading players to do things means you take this game a smidge too seriously?
Why haven't you just attacked the fief again? Or is it still being locked down?
Wow strat is such a mess between this blatant cheating, the banning of FCC players with approaching armies by rival faction members, and that item glitch about to ruin the economy and not even a single dev comment on either issue. Not inspiring much confidence in their ability to pull off m:bg.
Really low blow here, and if you actually are being sincere with your bullshit excuses? transfer the fief and gold to FCC, they earned it.
how exactly does occitan pose any threat to your life? it is internet horsies. Are they going to send arowaine to your house to kill you? Maybe you should call the police.
Holy shit, Turboflex. The reason that no attention is being paid to the free mod that chadz/CMP made is because they are working on M:BG right now. As someone who "invested" in M:BG, I am glad that they are dedicated to working on the thing I paid for, even at the expense of the internet swords and horses game that I do hold so dear.
Unbelievable.... they earned it? Really? They fought 4 battles, of which 3 battles against a defending army that had no access to Shields, Longspears to break ladders, ranged weapons, C-sites and ladders... The only reason they didn't take larger loses is because they took advantage of this bug.
How exactly do they earn anything from attacking a bugged city is beyond me. To earn it means you worked for it, and in this case the work was lessened by the crippling effect of the item bug. It sucks that these bugs happen, but the battles are currently not on the even playing field they should be.
The day VE takes Weyyah Caslte (if it happens) THAT will be earned...
The gold is still in the city, yet there's been no attempt to re-attack it in 3 days, now that the city defense has been fixed. Go back to attacking it if you feel confident about its capture - except this time the defense will be reflecting what FCC should have been facing every battle...
Unbelievable.... they earned it? Really? They fought 4 battles, of which 3 battles against a defending army that had no access to Shields, Longspears to break ladders, ranged weapons, C-sites and ladders... The only reason they didn't take larger loses is because they took advantage of this bug.
How exactly do they earn anything from attacking a bugged city is beyond me. To earn it means you worked for it, and in this case the work was lessened by the crippling effect of the item bug. It sucks that these bugs happen, but the battles are currently not on the even playing field they should be.
The day VE takes Weyyah Caslte (if it happens) THAT will be earned...
The gold is still in the city, yet there's been no attempt to re-attack it in 3 days, now that the city defense has been fixed. Go back to attacking it if you feel confident about its capture - except this time the defense will be reflecting what FCC should have been facing every battle...
First off my own interests in terms of Strategus has nothing to do with my way of thinking. I cannot stand for illogical stances (in my view) of situations and I call them out as I see them. I've lost nothing nor gained anything from this bug as an individual. So don't try to pin a bias on the fact that I fought for the defense; if anything I could see first-hand how this issue changed the facet of the defense entirely, and pretty much ruined 3 siege defenses in a row.
The issue is being discussed in the admin forums thus will not go into too much detail.
If I can offer a snippet of my personal view; That rule (locking down a fief) never took into account this bug (or badly implemented feature, as another admin would call it). The rule was made to target clans who intentionally wanted to prevent the enemy from attacking. I would trust you could make the distinction between preventing attacks and fixing gear problems through the only other mean possible. The fief has been open to attack for the last three days. Nobody is locking it down anymore, and if anyone did, I'd have no problem supporting you and pushing for a ban.
I know FCC has a lot invested into this attack already, so its normal for you guys to be against what has happened. I understand you guys can be upset, but honestly, you have been fighting a crippled defense for three battles due to abugbadly implemented feature, which was fixed through the fief transfer.
So FCC abusing a badly implemented feature; aka: exploiting it, is OK. But Blackzilla attempting to fix the problem isn't. This is what the issue is coming down to.
Apologies, but my ability to judge based on the circumstance tells me that the transfer was an alternate option to fix the problem. If you want to attack the city; at least man up and do it the way it was supposed to be fought. I have a hard time being convinced that abugbadly-implementeed-feature justifies actions against those who wanted to fix the problem and provide the battles the way they were meant to be fought...
In essence... I want fair-play. I want to play these battles the way they are supposed to be played. Are you against this? Or will you take the easy way out and point at the black-and-white rule that never took into consideration this bug, nor created to address this issue?
Take care
In essence... I want fair-play. I want to play these battles the way they are supposed to be played. Are you against this? Or will you take the easy way out and point at the black-and-white rule that never took into consideration this bug, nor created to address this issue?
Stop crying over Kesh, he (hopefully) isn't coming back.
I would also like to bring up that of course Gash is going to side the way he does right now. His faction is already performing what will be another illegal fief transfer in a war zone as we speak. These two factions are still allied, a la Diplomacy Forum and they are doing this shit again. We are going to see minimal rosters again. When will the violations end? When will admins stop trying to cover up their own clan members blatant disregard for the rules?
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=2635
Gash at least I take the time to read your arguments and try to understand them. I am no ones puppet so i am not sure where you get the strawman comment.
You on the other hand try and justify actual cheating because you do not care for how the actual game mechanics work.
How about this... Go take something bigger than a fief and see just how different you will do it. So far this strat I think you guys attacked one castle that was defended... got shelled and packed it up and went home. Not saying anything is wrong with that. it Shows just how hard it is to do. How about you walk a mile in our shoes before you complain about how our feet smell.
How about this... Go take something bigger than a fief and see just how different you will do it. So far this strat I think you guys attacked one castle that was defended... got shelled and packed it up and went home. Not saying anything is wrong with that. it Shows just how hard it is to do. How about you walk a mile in our shoes before you complain about how our feet smell.
I did have permission from Kesh to attack by the way. I don't know why I failed to mention that, I told him a few hours before I even attacked. He gave me the okay sinceHomeyVick was not in range to attack until the early mornings. So, they knew before hand I was attacking and were cool with it. So how exactly did I delay an attack? You knew I was going to initiate, since your closest army was NOT available to instantly attack nor get a good battle time. The only other army I saw was murdertrons, which showed up a day after i initiated the attack.
If zillas attack was a legitimate attack there wouldn't have been an issue. I don't know what kesh said to you but I do know that he didn't give you his blessing to fuck over our siege, take all the money and gear and then give it all back to smoothrich. I know vick wasnt going to be in range to attack instantly at a good time, but so what? The previous examples of people locking down fiefs to prevent enemies were always done with an enemy army en route to attack as opposed to ninja attacking seconds before the other army did. You guys knew that Vick had a real chance of taking the fief and you knew you could lock it down before he reached it in order to buy more time and secure all the gold and gear we were trying to capture.KEsh, Bale and Murdertron, (possibly Bear) I believe were in the TS channel and I believe I was given thanks to helping them besieging the castle. I told them when I took it I'd give them their gear back, which I did. I told them my plans of a new rule, one where I lead. Unfortunately, Occitain ruined Bear and I's plan.
So clearly they thought you were rebelling and were going to have a real battle, thus that point is irrelevant and will not be considered in our discussion. You fief transferred, we stopped arguing that matter a long time ago.You can see it as that, but bear and I legitimately had a plan.
If zillas attack was a legitimate attack there wouldn't have been an issue. I don't know what kesh said to you but I do know that he didn't give you his blessing to fuck over our siege, take all the money and gear and then give it all back to smoothrich. I know vick wasnt going to be in range to attack instantly at a good time, but so what? The previous examples of people locking down fiefs to prevent enemies were always done with an enemy army en route to attack as opposed to ninja attacking seconds before the other army did. You guys knew that Vick had a real chance of taking the fief and you knew you could lock it down before he reached it in order to buy more time and secure all the gold and gear we were trying to capture.
If zillas attack was a legitimate attack there wouldn't have been an issue. I don't know what kesh said to you but I do know that he didn't give you his blessing to fuck over our siege, take all the money and gear and then give it all back to smoothrich. I know vick wasnt going to be in range to attack instantly at a good time, but so what? The previous examples of people locking down fiefs to prevent enemies were always done with an enemy army en route to attack as opposed to ninja attacking seconds before the other army did. You guys knew that Vick had a real chance of taking the fief and you knew you could lock it down before he reached it in order to buy more time and secure all the gold and gear we were trying to capture.
Ah but you see, that WAS the rule. If an enemy was within 24(ish) hours to attack, otherwise the rule doesn't apply, is what they are saying as you weren't capable of attacking it thus they weren't breaking the rule. The Fallen one was done witha Hosp army literally ON TOP of the village.
Since we still haven't heard any response from devs and the last thing we got from admins was "yes this was a fief transer and we are looking into it" came a long time ago...
I would REALLY like some response on this issue; if it is now OK to attack your own fiefs to delay enemies then please change the rules to better reflect this so other factions will know it is legal.
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=2830
Another illegal fief transfer by FCC.. there are Semenstorm armies all over the map within 24 hours of that castle and we are at war.. and they think no one will see through this "hilarious" gimmick rebellion? I'm requesting a Permanent Global Ban for all parties involved.
smooth the only reason you and zilla were not perma-banned for the blatant cheating is that the devs just do not care enough about strat to put out any effort... and that is how they fell about the EU side.... imagine the disdain for NA.Well, even if I was banned, I was told it wouldn't be permanent, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even going to be a crpg ban. I still like how you guys are upset about this as Kesh said earlier
Add to that the Admins agree what you did was not in line with the rules. So they do not have to do anything about it, they are letting those same devs get around to dealing with you. Knowing that it will never happen. Bravo well played.
Cracks me up tho that CMP took the time to post defined rules but actually enforcing those rules means nothing.
Its just a game guys.
pretty sure if the devs gave a shit that city would be ours and those two clowns would be having a much needed strat break
not sure what else is needed. They do not even pretend they did not do it any longer
not sure what else is needed. They do not even try and keep up the lie any longer.Or maybe it's the fact that I've already spoken to the admins about, tired of repeating myself, and have gotten over this. I'm not even in SS anymore.
You on the other hand convinced a guy with the IQ of a common household gerbil... Smooth you are a cancer to this community, it is probably something you take pride in. Maybe with a little luck you will grow up one day and realize there is more to life than trolling on the internet.
So clearly they thought you were rebelling and were going to have a real battle, thus that point is irrelevant and will not be considered in our discussion. You fief transferred, we stopped arguing that matter a long time ago.(click to show/hide)
Since you guys were the cheaters it makes perfect sense that we are a bit more upset.That virtual property was still free to be attacked, did you not want to fight a fair fight? Or is FCC only comfortable fighting a fief where they only have access to 1h's. This game, and what people say about me in it, does not bother me at all. I just have fun responding to everything and the internet drama this game has. I also did save virtual property, I took it for my own. I would still have it if I didn't donate majority of my shit when I left SS.
I put in plenty of time on this game... as I imagine most playing do. Does it say more about me that I get mad when that time is cheaponed by cheaters.... or maybe it says more about the people willing to cheat to save virtual property?
So you are suggesting that it is perfectly fine to cheat because you do not like a game mechanic and we were winning?
Compelling argument
So you are suggesting that it is perfectly fine to cheat because you do not like a game mechanic and we were winning?I didn't cheat, and you were not winning, go back to your battles participated page and it will say "your side has lost the battle" or something like that. You were abusing a game mechanic to gain an advantage. All I did was start my own rebellious faction, take the fief I wanted, try to start "Barack Ozilla's Change Train 2013." Unfourtnatley no one wanted to join me and I was already threatened to be attacked. If I only did this to transfer the fief and rejoin HP instantly, I wouldn't have given you your gear back. I would've kept it for myself. I wouldn't have gone through all the trouble of making my own faction, making a post, and talking to other people in teamspeaks. Oh well, keep slamming your fingers on your keyboard and being mad. All this typing you and I doing is pointless, ask yourself bale, whats this going to change? Devs gonna reset strat so I can't rebel? They gonna ban Rohy for owning Ahmerrad? So you can go take it. They're not going to give the fief to you. The only way your going to get ahmerrad is through a fair fight, and you can't seem to make peace with that thought.
Compelling argument
Item bombing (intentional or not) is not a game mechanic its a limitation in the game. From what I am told, you got a lot of your gear back anyway.
Bale, feel free to come back anytime you want. I could use the xp, need a few more looms anyway.
You could visit us for once!
I guess we need to request a rules change since cheating like this is no longer being punished. Maybe sky ladders are legitimate too now? You locked down your own fief to prevent us atatcking it in a 5th wave, completed the fief transfer and then gave all the gold and gear and the city right back to the same exact people we had been attacking - can't get more clear-cut violation of the rules not to do fief transfers by attacking to prevent an enemy from attacking your fief/delaying. Smoothrich's city, blackzilla's army - worked together to do illegal fief transfer - where is our carpet bomb or is it only done to clans that haven't had devs in them?
P.S. Egan 30 of our "members" haven't played crpg in months with 100 troops 100% inactive, the other 25 or so only 12-15 are active, so yes you guys have as many active players as we do so go for it, we are attacking a faction that can recruit 19K troops in a month (hospitallers had 10K when we last left, now have 29K just counting garrisons in their fiefs alone (just look at strat map) - they are a troop farming faction with 3x as many people as us making troops, but we are attacking them for the 2nd time now, because troop farming does not equal skill. All your members were active enough to join semenstorm recently so you don't have the complete afks, 30 active enough to troop farm is more than enough. If we changed our faction name we would be down to 25 guys.
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sooo, can we get some official word from admins/devs? so far nothing has been done but label them as guilty then say the devs will handle it... which they don't seem to have done. if rules are no longer enforced in strat then it will just get worse.strat is dead
strat is dead
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Time for the weekly bump. This STILL needs to be addressed; ignoring it doesn't solve anything and just encourages similar behaviour in the future.
I guess we need to request a rules change since cheating like this is no longer being punished. Maybe sky ladders are legitimate too now? You locked down your own fief to prevent us atatcking it in a 5th wave, completed the fief transfer and then gave all the gold and gear and the city right back to the same exact people we had been attacking - can't get more clear-cut violation of the rules not to do fief transfers by attacking to prevent an enemy from attacking your fief/delaying. Smoothrich's city, blackzilla's army - worked together to do illegal fief transfer - where is our carpet bomb or is it only done to clans that haven't had devs in them?lol
P.S. Egan 30 of our "members" haven't played crpg in months with 100 troops 100% inactive, the other 25 or so only 12-15 are active, so yes you guys have as many active players as we do so go for it, we are attacking a faction that can recruit 19K troops in a month (hospitallers had 10K when we last left, now have 29K just counting garrisons in their fiefs alone (just look at strat map) - they are a troop farming faction with 3x as many people as us making troops, but we are attacking them for the 2nd time now, because troop farming does not equal skill. All your members were active enough to join semenstorm recently so you don't have the complete afks, 30 active enough to troop farm is more than enough. If we changed our faction name we would be down to 25 guys.
I've lost respect and trust for our NA Leader Admins over this last month because of this and many other reasons. I know who the people are too, I don't need to guess who is in charge.yep
The new and less experienced admins do a better job than their leaders, they should be cycled into Leadership in place of whatever system is active as of right now. In my opinion the only thing I see these people doing is maintaining their popularity.
I like the majority of the current admins and feel they do a good job in battle/siege. My beef is only with the people in charge.
yep
Ban Blackzilla for not following through on his rebellion, now exposed without doubt as a farce.Fuck it dude, lets go bowling.
Fuck it dude, lets go bowling.
After watching " The Big Lebowski" my views on life and Crpg changed.
I've lost respect and trust for our NA Leader Admins over this last month because of this and many other reasons. I know who the people are too, I don't need to guess who is in charge.
The new and less experienced admins do a better job than their leaders, they should be cycled into Leadership in place of whatever system is active as of right now. In my opinion the only thing I see these people doing is maintaining their popularity.
I like the majority of the current admins and feel they do a good job in battle/siege. My beef is only with the people in charge.
Might be the first time I've ever +1'd you man.yeah kinda fed up after six months of trying to get a complaint about an NA admin resloved. Only one to reply is muki. Shik sends me to canary and he just ignores even though another NA admin witnessed it.
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yeah kinda fed up after six months of trying to get a complaint about an NA admin resloved. Only one to reply is muki. Shik sends me to canary and he just ignores even though another NA admin witnessed it.
Ho hum. Still waiting on some official word from devs on this. Trying to ignore it till it goes away is just no good; even if no punishments are handed out as the incident is no longer recent, it would be nice to at the very least update or reiterate the rules and let everyone know and be forewarned in regards to what any future incidents of this nature can expect in terms of reprisals if any. The only message that the community is getting so far is that the rules are not sincere and can be ignored freely.
One thing I'm not sure of (in regards to game mechanics)
Say for instance, smoothrich was in his city while FCC was sending wave after wave to attack, if they attacked immediately after a battle was over, would he still be allowed to transfer stuff out of his city?? Or would he just basically have to click faster to get the gear out, before the next wave attacked? Because that's a pretty shitty mechanic if that's how it works, you can easily get overwhelmed with gear if you aren't quicker on your clicks in strat.
One thing I'm not sure of (in regards to game mechanics)
Say for instance, smoothrich was in his city while FCC was sending wave after wave to attack, if they attacked immediately after a battle was over, would he still be allowed to transfer stuff out of his city?? Or would he just basically have to click faster to get the gear out, before the next wave attacked? Because that's a pretty shitty mechanic if that's how it works, you can easily get overwhelmed with gear if you aren't quicker on your clicks in strat.
you have 1 minute maximum to get all your stuff out since the opponent clicks attack the second the battle is over, sometimes less... Happened to me during the dashbigha siege recently, i was gonna take everything out but site crashed and they managed to click attack before i could reload the page and take it out. gg?
Well the ideal fix would be to allow fief owners 5 minutes to transfer EQUIPMENT ONLY (not gold/trade goods) out of the fief after being attacked, and say you can't attack your own fief if it's under assault (for any reason).
you have 1 minute maximum to get all your stuff out since the opponent clicks attack the second the battle is over, sometimes less... Happened to me during the dashbigha siege recently, i was gonna take everything out but site crashed and they managed to click attack before i could reload the page and take it out. gg?
you have 1 minute maximum to get all your stuff out since the opponent clicks attack the second the battle is over, sometimes less... Happened to me during the dashbigha siege recently, i was gonna take everything out but site crashed and they managed to click attack before i could reload the page and take it out. gg?
I demand to know who Duke DickButt's alt is
By saying what we did was an illegal maneuver is to say that we MUST play Strategus like the EU players. They march into battle with roughly 30 item types. Don't like their selection of 1 or 2 items per category? Too bad. Want to use a 4W pole arm? TOO BAD, you only get long spears. You are saying we MUST sell any equipment we accumulate through winning battles, despite it being an economically poor decision. You have to remember that if we are on a campaign, we can't sell equipment in our own fiefs. Transporting it long distances back home is a waste of time and therefore gold. But selling it in enemy territory only serves to strengthen the enemy monetarily through taxes. Meanwhile, the devs grant us no ability to flat out delete items from our inventory. Additionally, who wants to take multiple hours to weed through the equipment? Someone who mercs for me might actually use an item I would otherwise not keep in my inventory, I have no reason to stop them.
prob one of Kesh's extra accounts
Well, you proved me wrong, good Duke. I really thought everybody would draw the connection as to who you were.
I bow to your superior reasoning, Dickbutt.
I just recognized the voice :oops:
What I wanna know is: Murder = RibaldRon? They sound very similar.Einhorn is Finkle! Finkle is Einhorn!
What I wanna know is: Murder = RibaldRon? They sound very similar.Jesus christ. I forgot all about ribaldron but it makes SO MUCH SENSE. Except ribaldron only played hoplite afaik and didn't talk a lot of trash.
I must have missed the first couple sieges of Tulga, I wasn't aware it was already under attack/being prevented from a chain of attacks by this change of hands. It seems to me like the city is still there with troops, just a new owner. It's possible there was already a recent assault as in the Blackzilla example, I guess, and I just missed it. Link to battle ID? If there isn't one then this is legitimate enough.
ALSO, this does, what, absolutely nothing to lock the fief down, right? It's still as able to be attacked as it was yesterday. They didn't even attack the fief to change hands, they changed factions. Seems your point is a little moot!
I get mad at video games and no matter how much I bitch, the dev team will not listen to me and do what i want.
I do whatever Smoothrich tells me to, because I'm highly impressionable and I can't think for myself.
I used to Murder things
this is a fun gameAlso, I didnt do all that he told me to do, just did some stuff he asked me to do, and I can think for myself, majority of stuff I do in FIDLGB is on my own accord. If I was easily influenced, I would've joined Dracul, which are where I find a lot of cool guys and what not in CRPG, and would've sold ahmerrad to FCC when offered.
honestly, transferring a fief to a new owner (without doing an actual attack) doesn't prevent an attack or anything so i don't see a problem with what arow and aztec did there.
Its kind of what happened to us when we annihilated ATS in strat 2, they sold a castle to a person we had an official peace treaty with to prevent it being attacked.
Its kind of what happened to us when we annihilated ATS in strat 2, they sold a castle to a person we had an official peace treaty with to prevent it being attacked.Wait, so you're crying that a castle was sold to someone you don't wanna fight?..
"http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/astralis-vs-hospitaller-battles-(attacking-your-own-fiefs)/ (http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/astralis-vs-hospitaller-battles-(attacking-your-own-fiefs)/)CMP is a poopyhead-note he was told that he was wrong and had to stand down........that poopyhead
I would like to remind Astralis, Hospitallers and everyone else that attacking your own/your allies' fiefs in order to prevent them from being attacked by enemies is considered heavy exploiting.
Please cancel the attacks as soon as possible or we will be forced to take action. This is your first and last warning."
CMP quote from last time hospitallers did this - attacking or transferring a fief to prevent an enemy form attacking it is heavy exploiting - occitan not necessarily at war with same people. The gist is they transferred the fief with enemy armies surrounding it to prevent it being taken - heavy exploiting need for banhammer, flying carpets, or fief transfer to enemy by devs.
Its kind of what happened to us when we annihilated ATS in strat 2, they sold a castle to a person we had an official peace treaty with to prevent it being attacked.I took two big armies off them after this so it even out sorta in the end. :mrgreen:
Is this the same thing that's going on in this battle?
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=3508
Heard some people grumbling about it earlier.
Nah, the closest occitan army to that fief was halfway across the map. We bought the fief but fief owner not there. If they had any armies even remotely close to be able to attack it we wouldnt have done the attack, but there are no occitan armies within 24 hours travel. The earlier posts in this thread were regarding fiefs surrounded by enemy armies.
according to who ?
Its been 24 hours and still no occitan army anywhere remotely in sight.
well we were not able to attack cause you guys attack it first, anyways whatever we are going to say about it nothing will change and nobody care. if blackzilla get banned or anything happen i want fair justice for the one who attacked that fief. this is all i ask fairness.
i didnt know i had to show you my army and reveal my plan to a ennemy is this a new feature of strat ?
What are you complaining about? Its against the rules for a faction to attack their own fief, which we did not do. We sold Ayyike to the FCC when it got attacked. The owner wasnt in the fief, so the only way to transfer it over was for them to attack it. Pretty simple....
or, you know, you could just wait....
That's what CMP said forever ago that people should stop attacking for fief transfers except for people who are banned or unable to ever get back to strat.
I dont see anywhere in the rules that its illegal to transfer via attacking
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1) CMP's rules for not attacking your village to delay your enemy
2) Multiaccounting. It is not allowed to own and use multiple more then 1 account on strategus.
3) Accountsharing. It is not allowed to log into other players accounts.
4) Night time. Night time is different for each player, therefore there are no rules to the usage of nighttime.
5) Itembombing a fief. Dropping a lot of items in an enemy fief is not allowed. It causes incredibly long equipment lists for the fief.
To our knowledge there were no occitan armies coming for an attack. Hell, im pretty sure (not 100%) that there was like an hour inbetween the attacks that occitan could have used to attack the village, if thats what they were really gonna do.
Matey, nothing is going to happen to me or Smooth. You need to realize this. You're just wasting your time on this thread.
I'm imagining cmp reading that and thinking "challenge accepted"
I'm imagining cmp reading that and thinking "challenge accepted"I'm sure if he thought I did something wrong, he would've banned me or punished me strat/crpg wise by now.
I'm sure if he thought I did something wrong, he would've banned me or punished me strat/crpg wise by now.
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I however do want to see people on flying carpets rapping the shit out over everything!
I dont see anywhere in the rules that its illegal to transfer via attacking
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1) CMP's rules for not attacking your village to delay your enemy
2) Multiaccounting. It is not allowed to own and use multiple more then 1 account on strategus.
3) Accountsharing. It is not allowed to log into other players accounts.
4) Night time. Night time is different for each player, therefore there are no rules to the usage of nighttime.
5) Itembombing a fief. Dropping a lot of items in an enemy fief is not allowed. It causes incredibly long equipment lists for the fief.
To our knowledge there were no occitan armies coming for an attack. Hell, im pretty sure (not 100%) that there was like an hour inbetween the attacks that occitan could have used to attack the village, if thats what they were really gonna do.
well so according to your say no rules as been broke from blackzilla rebellion good stuff thanks tristan to bring the ligth.
1) CMP's rules for not attacking your village to delay your enemy
well so according to your say no rules as been broke from blackzilla rebellion good stuff thanks tristan to bring the ligth.
No, because blackzilla was doing it to prevent FCC from attacking the city again, while FCC only attacked the village because we sold it to them. There was even an hour you guys could have attacked it in between the battles. We weren't about to waste like 3-4 days of Pulse's time sending him up to a village we dont care about just so he can transfer it.
whatever then. i keep that in mind if you guys say its not then i guess you are rigth!
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5) Itembombing a fief. Dropping a lot of items in an enemy fief is not allowed. It causes incredibly long equipment lists for the fief.
Made cause of FCC at Shariz(the same battle this thread is about).Also progenitors of the creation of Nighttime and the Allow Transfers menus.
Just stating. Regardless of what you say now, it's been talked, and to a lesser extent, proven that happened. But CRPG isn't about doing retroactive bans except for Egregious cheating of multi accounting and auto block. At present only Mutli accounting is the only ban that has been done as post mortem.
huh? cause of FCC at Shariz? same battle this thread is about? This thread was about Ahmerred. The allow transfer button came into play in strat 2 after item bombing was seen to be possible (though i think DRZ did it first in strat 1). As for the rule on item bombing, I don't know if that was in reply to the occurance in strat 2 or if it is based on something more recent; either way, item bombing is transferring gear to a fief (my understanding is fiefs always accept transfers). Attacking a fief multiple times is not item bombing.
SOrry thought this was Shariz not Ahmerred.
But No, I heard on authority at that time that ITEM BOMBING a fief by attacking it was a punishable offense.(Exploiting IN GAME mechanics, for strat benefit. It fell under the EXPLOIT section of the ban rules).
If you bought a huge variety of random shit items for the express purpose of fucking up opponent inventory I guess... But that doesn't apply to any sieges I've seen this strat, maybe such things occurred when I was away for awhile but most of the equip problems are a result of the time limit making waves of attacks the only way to siege large garrisons and its just a fact that defender equipment will get screwed up eventually if they aren't able to break the siege.
p.s. how come this thread always gets derailed instead of staying on the actual topic of the fief transfer between zilla and smooth which was done during the midst of an invasion for the express purpose of delaying the attackers and the fact that the NA admins asked the devs to handle it.
I could only imagine the moment when they can't access any melee wepens though. The city/castle/village would be taken in a heartbeat
Honestly I'd give up one of the weapon slots and move it to the bottom for siege things to come to the top...
Not sure which one I'd think would be good to "give up" though...1h, shield, 2h, polearms, ranged?
My order would be (from top to bottom):
Siege equipment
Ranged weapons
2h
1h
shields
polearms
I think that would be the best for sieges, but would fuck over battles, so maybe switch 1h and polearms (most 1h/shielders can be "effective" hoplites if they needed to be)
you would be nuts not to have polearms available for poking ladders, horses and peoples.
Or if they just fixed the item limit, problem avoided.
Or better yet (since that won't happen) arrange the "siege" equipment (currently bottom level of equipment) to be the top level of equipment. Since that is the most important thing you need right off the bat. If you can't access ladders or construction sites for 15 minutes into a siege, you're pretty fucked.
Pretty sure it's not something that is entirely fixable in the traditional sense. It has more to do with the limitations of the engine or how something was coded. Just like how they can't add more banner slots.
The only engine limitations that stopped banner slots earlier was that you would need to patch crpg every time a new banner was created. Now that we have the downloader, it is a lot easier to download the new banner files everytime you launch.
Item maximums is most likely a bit harder to fix then that. But I would agree, getting rid of the busted gear would help, or just fief managment outside of your fief. Could be as simple as check boxes of what gear you want in the fight, so if the enemy wins they will still get the equipment not checked off.
As far as banning for the fief lockdown, as far as I know, no one has ever been banned/punished for speculation of locking down a fief to delay. Probably has something to do with the fact that is nearly impossible to determine one way or the other of the intentions. (Thus 14 page threads about it)
No speculation, admins confirmed it was against the rules. In start 3 fallen got carpet bombed for doing the same thing and it wasn't even against the rules at the time.
Like I said, no one has ever been banned for this before without direct proof. When fallen got carpet bomber in strat 3, he posted on the forums saying that he did it to delay an attack, insulting the devs in the process.Zilla had been bragging in this thread about how he won't be punished... the admins asked the devs to address it and then nothing happened. We were never pushing for any lengthy ban or anything though and its been so long now... It would just be nice for devs to assure us all that strat rules still apply and future cheating will be punished.
it would just be nice for devs to assure us all that strat rules still apply and future cheating will be punished.
Zilla had been bragging in this thread about how he won't be punished... the admins asked the devs to address it and then nothing happened. We were never pushing for any lengthy ban or anything though and its been so long now... It would just be nice for devs to assure us all that strat rules still apply and future cheating will be punished.