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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Unban Essays => Topic started by: Spook Island on September 11, 2012, 12:39:40 am

Title: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 11, 2012, 12:39:40 am
I can write a bullshit essay designed for the reading comprehension, emotional maturity and steadiness level of an adolescent, but I shouldn’t need to.  We’re all adults here or at least should be. 
Everyone reading this should absolutely be able to handle free, honest, and open expression without trying to force someone to wear a façade, censor their ideas out of crude intimidation tactics, or be pigeonholed into saying whatever the other person desires just so they can find a temporary conclusion to the matter at hand while satiating the ego of the interviewer and not their actual viewpoint.

The idea that I’m getting (from what you’ve mentioned) is that you want me to flat-out patronize you in possibly the most condescending demeanor possible  by writing arguably the greatest few paragraphs of bullshit you will ever read in your lives; full well knowing exactly what I’m doing. 
Either that or you’re so totally and absolutely naïve that you think that I’m somehow deeply emotionally scarred by the sudden realization that I’ve talked A LOT of mindless, meaningless trash and that it’ll never happen again because the abundance of empathy that has poured into my soul has cleared my mind and set me on the path of absolute righteousness.

So let’s start the discussion shall we?
About these accusations that I’m sexist, homophobic, preaching hate, violence against certain demographics, etc… that I’ve seen administrators try to insinuate…
I know some admins are desperate to reinforce their subjective case with as many weak and outlandish arguments as they can pile on top to bolster it, but this is pretty desperate.  If you can show me one case of me openly bashing and intentionally doing my best to inflict as much emotional distress/harm as possible to someone who has admitted to me that they are in fact legitimately gay, you’d have a case.  But, you’re never going to find that case because it doesn’t exist.  I frankly do not care what your sexual preference is as long as you’re not a pedophile.  If I was indeed a homophobe like what is trying to be stated, I probably wouldn’t actively listen to a lot of the music I’ve already posted in my guild thread.  Bands like Depeche mode, Erasure, Queen, Soft cell etc…

I’ve also seen “spamming” being thrown atop of shoddy case I’ve already described. 
As the only real crpg leader, on the entire planet, who has any remote experience actually organizing pubs to win against other pubs and organized banner stacking clans, I will say “GET THROUGH THE FUCKING GATE NOW” no more than what is necessary to get them through that gate and onto the flag.
I’m the only person I’ve ever seen, in my 2.5+ years of playing crpg, who consistently organizes and leads pubs. 
Why is that the case?  Because it’s a horrible, thankless job and it never gets any easier.  Pubs are anything but disciplined.  Often times they are full of ultra sarcastic and stubborn teenagers who would just as soon rather lose than listen to the direction of someone else.  I have an extremely vast amount of knowledge on what tactics to use, when to use them, what maps to use them on, etc…  I’ve proven this time and time again over the course of literally thousands and thousands of rounds.  This isn’t up for dispute. 

However, I also know what methods of rallying the troops works compared to what doesn’t.  I’ve tried basically everything and have had more than enough time to figure out what unorganized masses respond to.  Using a vast array of colorful foul language, like it or not, resonates with people a hell of a lot more effectively  than saying “please, guys.”  I know for certain because I’ve tried it both ways. It would please me greatly and I would much prefer it if “please” actually remotely worked, but it doesn’t. 
A lot of people forget the fact that I’m also the most ardent supporter of my team, in the entire history of the mod, when they perform well and do their job.  I slap them on the butt and give them a big wet and sloppy kiss as thanks for doing their part; even when we lose. 
The fact that people forget this or choose not to acknowledge it proves the entirety of my point.  Kicking someone in the ass and yelling at them works extremely well as a motivator, towards the undisciplined, compared to begging on your knees pleading to their best intentions. 

The people in clans wouldn’t know this because they are in organized, highly-structured groups full of people that are often using third party voice communication to relay information between each other privately.  This sheltered existence spoils them like a mother who coddles her children by homeschooling them until adulthood.  They sit in their club house, made of pillows, chewing on grandma’s cookies while I’m out there in the wasteland, getting my ass burned off squeezing blood from a thousand stones at once.

What I do is the job nobody else wants to do; that nobody else does.  I channel and harness chaos every 3-5 minutes into a lethal fighting unit that can beat even the greatest exploitation of banner stackers around.  Hell, the clan named Chaos shouldn’t even use that name.  They should call themselves “Law and Order” and have a special fuckin cameo during the first half hour by the rapper ICE T playing a grizzled, street-wise detective.

Do I ask for thanks in return? No.  The bonus I get and the satisfaction of knowing what I’ve done is reward enough.  All I want is for mods to stay off my ass because of my use of unconventional but necessary methods to accomplish great things.  Believe me absolutely when I say the end justifies these means. 
Try doing it yourself if you aren’t convinced, because I’d really love to see that.  After half an hour you’d be sitting in your bathtub listening to joy division while opening up a vein.  Try to keep in mind I’ve been doing this successfully for well over 2 years.


People try to act like I’m a stain or plague on the community when in the reality I’m their greatest asset.  Without me, they’d be completely helpless against even the lowest tier clan in the valley; perpetually stuck at x1 until the organized predators got bored of having x5, with no challenge, and decided to leave. 
Not only do I lead public groups to victory, but I also eat “trolls” and other miscreants with such efficiency and generality that the complete worldwide mod staff can’t even compete with the skulls I bring home to my pleasure dome.

To put this into context: 
I’m like a great white megalodon shark, off the coast of Australia, that devours other smaller sharks who are far more numerous and prone to attacking surfers and humans in the area.  Essentially, I’m a great big magnificent son of a bitch apex-predator, with great big shiny teeth, that has an appetite for meat but who also serves a purpose far greater than itself.  Such is nature.
If there was ever a champion to the people of crpg, it’d be me without any contest for these reasons primarily.

Despite the attempted vilification by others, I have the greatest contingency of fans and admirers out of every crpg player put together.  Likewise, there are more alternate characters dedicated to or bearing the name “Spook” than every other player combined.
Now, why do you think that despite being so completely abrasive in parts of my behavior that I can still achieve such a feat? 
It’s because Americans and people everywhere love an anti-hero.  They love people who play to win at all cost despite however unpopular it makes them.  They love people who are true to themselves and don’t take unfair bullshit off anybody even when bribed to do otherwise.  They want someone with character and integrity even if they are rough around the edges.  They want someone who ultimately knows right from wrong yet still has the ability to see the big picture and focus on things that truly matter; not the petty, trivial, and small issues that degrade and distract from what’s most important.
They want a fighter, a winner, a person who can joke around, spit in the eye of the beast, and pull out a victory despite everything laid against them.


As for my record the admins enjoy hanging over my head?
About half of my ban record is bullshit that stretches an entire 2.5 years of playing.   That’s a pretty long time considering the few legitimate bans that I’ve actually earned.
For example, I got banned once not too long ago for literally calling someone Canadian.  Not even joking.  The person who put the ban forward, Bob something or other, told me (when he next saw me) that he only put the ban request forward to see if he could get away with it and see if it would pass.  It was so completely laughable to the person putting it forward, that even he wasn’t sure if it would go through because the premise was such a complete and utter joke it seemed that unrealistic.  If you don’t believe me, go ahead and check the logs for the day or two after that ban passed and search the text history of the guy who put it forward.  I dare you.

This is exactly the type of bullshit that happens when you leave a massively expansive grey area open for people to abuse as they see fit, players and administrators included.  Instead of fixing the vast grey area and making it more structured so there isn’t so much abuse, administrators simply refuse to do anything about it because apparently having rules that possess clearly defined stipulations somehow makes your job harder.  Does that make sense?  No, it doesn’t.   
So why does the grey area rulebook still exist despite it’s proven track record and theoretical tendency to only enable abuse?  One can only believe because of the ideas I put forward.

Remember something very important:  I follow all clearly written black and white rules to the letter.  People know this.  I know this.

Talking trash is a part of every competitive game on the planet.  Even certain admins do it from time to time and some are even well known for it. Nobody is innocent from using extremely shallow, unspecific, trivialized insults such as ”retarded” or “stupid” or “idiot” or “bundle of sticks” or whatever; whether in their personal lives or a video game.  These are all offensive terms that could violate the grey area rules that are currently in place.  It really just depends to the people in charge whether they personally want such words or expressions to officially violate a set of rules that are entirely subjective by their own definition.

So here’s what really needs to happen with policy:
Admins need to decide what language is off limits and not what language is off limits when they feel like it. There's a very good reason that as society develops, laws tend to become increasingly specific and well-defined.  This is done intentionally.
The reason for this is to eliminate the "humor error" factor and keep handlers from bending the law or interpreting it, as they see fit, to suit their own preferences or agendas.
The extremely broad and entirely subjective grey area rulebook you're using to try to make an example of me, is nothing more than an insurance policy meant to give deciders the leeway and leverage they desire to get away with what they want without having to abide by the narrowness or structure of a black and white system that is well-defined.
Furthermore, there’s a mute button clearly built within extremely easy access of the players interface to use.  All it takes is two clicks of a mouse and a scroll through an alphabetical listing and boom, problem solved.

So when I see someone blatantly trying to play the helpless victim card by saying something like “I was gonna play CRPG, but I saw Spook playing and decided to do my homework and clean my room instead,” I think we can all conclude (by using basic rationale) that this is a crock of shit; not to mention that person’s parents should be thanking me if there’s any actual truth to it. 
Everybody has a mute function.  It’s in the game for a reason.  If you don’t want to use it, it’s nobody else’s fault; not to mention ,if somebody asks me to specifically not talk to them, I grant them that request as long as they don’t try initiating conversation with me later on.  That’s pretty damn fair if you ask me, but you can’t please everyone; especially when they don’t want to be pleased.

I also saw somebody make the point that I could get arrested in Canada for saying some of the things that were in my chat log in public.  Yeah, well you could also jailed, stoned, or beheaded for insulting Muhammad in many Islamic countries.  This is a pretty tame example as well. 
So in light of this, it’s time for me to officially hop up on my soap box about this topic of speech and expression.
Canada doesn’t have real freedom of speech despite what many of their citizens may believe.  They never fought for their independence and earned it.   Canada is still part of the British Commonwealth; now politically known as the “Commonwealth of Nations.”

As a full-blooded and extremely proud American, with relatives and ancestors who died spilling blood and having their blood spilled during wartime to protect the freedom and sovereignty of this country, I can tell you the most important thing American citizens have is our freedom of speech.  It’s arguably the biggest reason we’re easily the greatest country on the planet.  However, over the years I’ve seen a new beast rear its ugly head operating under the guise of social justice and threatening the fabric of this most precious right.  The beast itself is called political correctness.  Based off a noble principle, it serves as an indirect and invisible blanket of intimidation meant to stifle and suppress any though that is not aligned within what is deemed socially acceptable by mainstream society.  It’s the most insidious form of widespread censorship and social engineering in post-modern society, and its impact is sadly felt on a daily basis.

It’s a big part of the reason why music and comedy has spiraled into the abyss over the past 15 years.  It’s part of the reason why Hollywood has gone bankrupt in terms of creativity and we see so many cinematic remakes instead of new thought-provoking films that push the envelope of their genres and create entirely new ones.  In the past 25 years, we’ve gone from Al Bundy and Married with Children to Glee and Big Bang Theory.  We’ve gone from Freddie Mercury to Lady Gaga, from Alice in Chains and Nirvana to Nickelback and 30 Seconds to Mars, from unironic flannel and ripped jean-shorts to fedoras and scarves.  It’s the same reason DC comics turned the original Green -Lantern gay and created an Islamic Green-Lantern within a 6 month time frame.  It’s the same reason the most iconic superhero of all time, Superman (the same character who is more American than apple-pie and baseball combined), was made to renounce his U.S. citizenship.  In 50 years at this pace, we’ll probably see some kind of open man-boy love relationship between Batman and Robin once society goes off the deep end and deems pedophilia to be acceptable behavior occurring in nature.  I could easily give a dozen more non superhero-themed examples, but it’s starting to piss me off just thinking about it.

This is part of what George Orwell warned us about in his book “1984.”  Only instead of a big-brother, state-controlled group indoctrinating the populace (and thereby society) to limit political motivation, it’s a certain, faultily progressive-minded, segment of society itself that produces an indirect social-conditioning by using the same method of intimidation and fear to limit freedom of expression, thought, and voice.  The desired result is to eliminate anything that might be considered offensive or impolite to anyone.  The heart may be in the right place, but the brain is far removed.  As the saying goes, some of the worst things imaginable start with the best of intentions.

Ultimately, we are playing a video game that revolves around killing other people with slashing/stabbing/piercing/blunt weapons, up close and personal, for gold and increased power.  If you can handle that, there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to handle text on a screen in any form.
It deeply troubles me to see Westerners, Americans especially, to be pissing on such freedoms that hundreds of people are dying for a shred of, everyday, in the middle-east; that millions of our own forefathers have died protecting and ensuring.  I don’t know why that is.  Whether it’s just the fact that this generation is spoiled and sheltered, whether they don’t know their history, or whether they just don’t give a shit.  I can’t answer that question because I can’t truly empathize with that way of thinking.  Frankly, I don’t want to.

It’s more important that human beings have the ability to fight with words and expressions rather than guns and bombs.  The people who wrote the constitution of the great U.S. of A. knew that all too well.

This reminds me entirely of a discussion I had a few years ago in my Master’s level Management course.  We were on the discussion of acceptable speech behavior and the professor used the example of a basketball team attempting to rally themselves by one of the players saying “Alright, let’s go rape these guys!”  We discussed the possibility of a person hearing that who had actually been raped or molested and what that meant or how it should have been dealt with, etc..

To my complete dismay and sadness, the only responses given by other students was that he shouldn’t have said that; that nobody should ever say anything like that out of consideration for who it might possibly offend.  There were a couple more examples like this but you get the hint.  So I formed my thoughts and then thoroughly silenced these people not with subtle intimidation but with common sense and basic rationale.  Here’s the gist of the argument I put forward to them:
There are these things I call “hot-words.”  Rape is an example of which.  A hot-word is basically any word that adds spice, excitement, or is intended to stir an emotional response within a person.  These words can be used with good or bad intentions.  Naturally, these words have the very real potential to offend someone because of their creative makeup, attributed associations, or whatever.  The point is that it’s impossible to go through life without offending someone.  It doesn’t matter how good at tip-toeing on egg shells you are; you will always find a way to offend at least one person.  This is what it is to live in the real world.  Besides, if you’re content to take such a timid approach, odds are that you’re a very boring and uninteresting person to talk to.

Ultimately, people need to be able to realize and understand what the desire is of the person using a hot-word.  Once they do so, then they can formulate the best appropriate response.  Is this person legitimately trying to harm or inspire me with what they are saying?  Are they just goofing around with no ill-intention meant?  Are they trying to psyche me out to get an advantage over me?  These are the kinds of questions people need to ask themselves instead of resorting to a universal knee-jerk response of outrage; however artificial it may be.

People generally aren’t as strong willed as they used to be.  Most don’t have the life experiences needed to properly cope with intermediate conflicts in their lives because of sheltered lifestyles and overprotective parenting.  I’ll always remember the time I was around 9 years old fishing with my grand pappy.  We caught this catfish and he laid it out on the boat directly in front of me and gutted it while it was still alive.  I still remember what it looked like gasping for air as its entrails were being tossed out into the water.  It scarred me a little, but that was good for me.  Scars toughen you up.  Scars give you the opportunity to grow.  Scars grant you the preparation you need for when things actually get really tough.

Toughness is 99% mental.  It’s comprised of willpower and emotional maturity.  It is part of the reason most people tend to stop crying from scraped knees as they grow and develop.
People need to toughen up.  Words can only hurt you if you allow them to.  It’s not like if somebody were to actually plunge a knife into your sternum.  Most children are given this lesson at an early age from the expression “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.” It seems fewer people are taking that to heart these days.



I meant everything I said here and said what I meant.  If you can’t respect my open and reasonable honesty and would genuinely prefer I write you some 500 character unban letter we all know is bullshit that won’t solve anything, maybe you’ve got the wrong priorities.  I’m looking for a conclusion to this so it never happens again.  I’m playing to win and have fun while doing it, not to look over my shoulder while I play, and not to be hit with entirely subjective bans despite what some may want to believe.  Remember, I follow all black and white rules to the letter.  It really just depends on if you really want solve this or just assert the power that’s been granted to you at your own discretion based off subjective criteria the majority of the public knows is completely unfair by the way it was written to be handled. 

Lots of admins with differing sets of ideas, life experiences, personal feelings coupled with extremely vague and subjective  rules = the perfect formula for unfairness, abuse,  prejudiced decision making  and glaring double standards.  This is a fact.  It doesn’t really matter how much you discuss such decisions amongst yourselves in voice chat because it’s always going to exist because of how flawed the system in place is.

So there it is.  If you can’t handle what I honestly said and think it more appropriate that I write some 500 word paragraph of absolute bullshit, further confined by completely unrealistic conditions and stipulations meant to silence any opposing viewpoints that run contrary to your own, so be it.
I’d rather die standing on my feet, being true to my character as a human being, than begging on my hands and fuckin knees with lies on my tongue.  But, if you do prefer blatant lies meant to appease your ego and patronize your common sense, you won’t have to wonder why there are so many two-faced, passive-aggressive, lying snakes and weasels in the world.  Because it’s people like you who enable them, encourage them, and allow them to flourish.

Spook, out.

*Drops the mic and walks off the stage*
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 01:15:09 am
I get what you're saying, and I get your angle, but I don't think you get how much you offend people with your hateful comments and insults. In no shape or form under the pretense of "tactical success" is it okay to behave like you do. There is no way that you can take moral high ground in this case, because it is by its very nature immoral and offensive, not to mention bigotal.

I can understand that typing in caps "GET TO THE FUCKING FLAG" is more "resonant" as opposed to "umm... guise uh, the flag? p-please, go there, thanks."
But "GET TO THE FUCKING FLAG YOU FUCKING DEGENERATE bundle of sticks" is not okay, not at all.

Do you shout profanities at people in real life because you're frustrated with them as well? Does that get you any where in life, in general? I seriously doubt it does. An online gaming community is no different. People are still people. And from my experience in this thing called real life, people don't like being called "bundle of sticks", "fruit boy" etc. You might find it funny to come up with edgy remarks about people's parents and such, but it's a one-way street my friend. So don't be surprised when it comes back to bite you in the ass. This is the reason why you're permabanned.

Apart from the obvious fallacies in your post, and after decrypting all the narcissistical bullshit, there's not much substance.

Oh yeah, I forgot to address your little conspiracy theory:
Really, man? :lol:

That's all.

IMO, stay on permaban because you obviously have no idea how to function in a community with other individuals. I find you to be an anti-social and extremely unpleasant character. This is coming from someone who is considered as one of the biggest assholes on EU. I'm a warm person compared to you, and my "haters" would probably agree(not admittedly of course).

Sorry, man, but you put yourself in this situation. Your essay was the nail in the coffin, and your alarmingly big ego(pretty scary tbh) the hammer.

Regards,
Bjord

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Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 01:29:21 am
http://forum.meleegaming.com/global/the-greatest-unban-essay-ever-written-(expression-freedom-maturity-hon-38988/msg602277/#msg602277

You already made a thread. One is enough.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Kaoklai on September 11, 2012, 01:59:54 am
Very well written. 

A++ would unban. 


Quote from: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 01:15:09 am
Apart from the obvious fallacies in your post

Which would be?

Quote from: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 01:15:09 am
Oh yeah, I forgot to address your little conspiracy theory:
Really, man? :lol:

You didn't address shit, chucklehead. 

Quote from: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 01:15:09 am

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You're an ingratiating little snake. 

I hear "bundle of sticks" and worse on an hourly basis in cRPG.  If you're going to ban Spook, ban them all.  Honestly, the only reason that this is an issue is because Spook's trash talk is actually good and he can back it up.  Look up the logs and see what people reply to Spook -it's just as "bad" and just as against the poorly delineated rules.  He's an exceptional trash-talker, motivator, and player and this is just a case of the nail that sticks out being beaten down.  Also, I think it bears repeating for the nth time that there's a mute function and you should fucking use it if your sensibilities prove so delicate. 
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: dreadnok on September 11, 2012, 03:22:45 am
Unban now please.  Im one of them many that find him entertaing
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: KC_ascanet on September 11, 2012, 04:10:40 am
Spook was supportive of the cRPG community, just not in a conventional manner. He contributed just like everyone else to the fight, maybe even more so than some others I would say on a regular basis. Though I don't know what accusations are against him, I know him as a player and it is not within his nature to bring people down or snipe confidence from teammates because that would be counterproductive to his gaming goals. For example, earning x5 multiple maps in a row requires team cohesion.

Bjord is really coming off as a fascist, and I don't like it. There is a thin line between having a supporting community and having a community that must be nice to each other all the fucking time. I don't want any part of the latter.

10/10 well written unban essay
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Matey on September 11, 2012, 05:20:57 am
this just made me find you even more annoying. you are just a giant douche and i hope you stay banned.

p.s. dont write the 500 word bullshit... just stay banned and please, dont buy a new key.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tagora on September 11, 2012, 06:22:22 am
asks ppl not to judge

judges ppl

a+b=/c

it equals

F, which is what your transcript will read
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Anal Bleeding on September 11, 2012, 06:53:16 am
unban.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Anal Bleeding on September 11, 2012, 06:54:43 am
give him another chance.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Smoothrich on September 11, 2012, 07:05:23 am
significant megalomania, lack of empathy, ad hominems, victim blaming, deriding a "progressive movement" in america to stop people saying friend and bundle of sticks as ignorant, proudly talking about freedom of speech and business master's yet not realizing he is playing on a private server with a specific code of conduct he is violating, making the argument that going to a burger king and yelling MAKE A DELICIOUS MOTHERFUCKING WHOPPER YOU LAZY friend bundle of sticks to get better than expected lunch would be patriotic, undertones of legitimate misogyny, homophobia, and racism in every sentence

a+ would unban for entertaining essay, but as a mission statement on the life and times of spookisland and a personal philosophy it is hilariously awful
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 11, 2012, 08:34:59 am
lol

2/5, one for effort and one for the balls to write this shit.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 09:24:50 am
Quote from: KC_ascanet on September 11, 2012, 04:10:40 am
Bjord is really coming off as a fascist, and I don't like it. There is a thin line between having a supporting community and having a community that must be nice to each other all the fucking time. I don't want any part of the latter.

Are you fuckin kidding me? :lol:
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: [ptx] on September 11, 2012, 09:53:04 am
The question is - will you be missed?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 10:35:03 am
Quote from: [ptx] on September 11, 2012, 09:53:04 am
The question is - will you be missed?

To answer a question with a question, do you remember that thread where he staged his own death in a pathetic attempt to seek attention?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: [ptx] on September 11, 2012, 10:51:16 am
I do, my question was rhetorical.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 11:09:10 am
I hoped so. :wink:
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Cepeshi on September 11, 2012, 11:17:59 am
dafuq i just read?

bla bla bla USA USA bla bla bla
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: BlackMilk on September 11, 2012, 11:24:09 am
Quote from: Tagora on September 11, 2012, 06:22:22 am
asks ppl not to judge

judges ppl

a+b=/c

it equals

F, which is what your transcript will read
WHAT?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: wayyyyyne on September 11, 2012, 11:34:24 am
I actually read through this wall of text and the lines I'm still missing are

"I'm sorry for talking shit to everyone at the server all the time. I'm not gonna do it again"
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Vibe on September 11, 2012, 11:38:41 am
What's funny is the point of this essay was to see if he can write something without being offensive.

Quote from: Canary
If you would like to continue playing, you must complete an unban essay consisting of "500 words that aren't offensive." We're not convinced you can do that without being sarcastic or accusatory.

gg spook new warband key that way ->

try not to make it obvious that you have issues next time
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on September 11, 2012, 11:48:44 am
No idea who this guy is or why he's banned. I read a few snippets and he sure seems to think highly of himself.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on September 11, 2012, 05:02:27 pm
No abuse of in-game chat (racism, insulting, griefing...)

I believe this is the rule you've been accused of breaking. In what i read of your essay it seems you are just making excuses as to why it was ok for you to break this rule, because you are leading pubs. It is not your job to lead pubs, and technically you can do whatever you want so long as you do not break the rules doing it. However you are indeed breaking the rules, you are no different than any other player, you have to follow the rules regardless of how you see yourself.

That being the case it would seem most of what you talked about is to a large extent irrelevant and the points made invalid. You broke this rule, there is no arguing that. Your only logical options are to argue the validity of the rule (seems like a good rule to me that exists in basically every game out there) or to realize you made a mistake and apologize. You cannot argue that you did not break the rule, or that you were only doing it to help others, or that you didn't really mean anything you said. Your intentions are irrelevant, the only thing that actually matters are your actions.

But you do have a point, how could some random casual player (the average siege player) who you tell to "Close the gate you worthless bundle of sticks" possibly not see your good hearted intentions behind that comment. Your only trying to help him, and you don't actually mean it at all, which is exactly why you said it to him in the first place, i mean nobody ever says what they mean right? But again intentions dont matter, you did it, and its against the rules, so you were punished for it.

You obviously think you are more intelligent and better than everyone here, but that being the case think about this. Even if you are in the right (and you do believe you are) it really does not matter. This official servers are owned by the devs as is this mod, they can make the rules, they can do whatever they want. They could ban you because you broke the rules, or because they don't like you as a person, or because you do not like the color red or for literally any and all reasons, or even no reason at all. They can do whatever they want, its not about what is right, or what is right to you.

If you think the admins are not enforcing the dev's rules in such a way that the devs would be happy with, take up your case with them, i highly doubt any of them will agree with you. And what they think is all that really matters.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Smoothrich on September 11, 2012, 06:05:17 pm
Good post by LemmyWinks.  No one really cares about you being a pubstar and trying to get teams to win, or bragging about being good or owning people.  Personally I don't care about you insulting me as an admin either because everyone does it enough as it is.

People simply want you to get the message to not be such a dick all the time and openly hostile to people, which creates a disruptive unfriendly atmosphere on the very few servers we have.  As much as there is people who find you funny, me included actually, there's just as much if not many more who don't want you bringing your typical attitude to the game and making it unenjoyable for them.  Even if they don't post here.

Most importantly, the rules are written there plain as day.  Chat abuse, specifically being insulting.  The typical measured response is of course in game mutes when admins are on, but we do not have the power to permamute you when there are numerous, neverending complaints about your rampant and misanthropic behaviour.

The essay is articulate and amusing, if often intellectually repugnant and self-serving.  All I ask of you, Spook, is to address the real issue at hand.  Will you stop being such a dick to people unless they are your friends, and tone down the liberal use of vulgarities?  Good day.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
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Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on September 11, 2012, 08:58:42 pm
To be honest, I cannot believe that I'm the ONLY person that +1'd his essay. It was well-written, lucid, eloquent, and brought up many good fucking points. I'm not trying to suck the man's willy here. I don't even particularly LIKE him. In real life, I can't stand rude people. There's absolutely no reason to be verbally hostile to another human being. I mean sure, if someone COMES AT YOU BRO, you have full right to kick the shit out of him. I digress.

Now, I've got this opinion and I've had it for a while. I'm not going to get many people to agree with me on it, but here it is.

It is a person's CHOICE to get offended.

There, I said it. Now, please notice I did not use the phrase "conscious choice" I would love to use it, but I am afraid I am unable to in good faith. This is because people simply do not think about things as much as would benefit them. However, back to the point. If you are offended by a word, you are LETTING that word have CONTROL over you. You are a PRISONER to that word. You have CHOSEN to fill your mind, conscience, your soul with bad emotions. Bad vibes.

Why is the blame ALWAYS, and I can say this in good faith, ALWAYS lain upon the one who uttered the word that offended someone? This fucking BAFFLES me. Would it not help a person grow mentally and spiritually if the responsibility for their emotions were put upon themselves? A person that chooses to NOT be offended is, in my sight, a much more mature person than one who is offended by anything. In fact, many of the people that have a big problem with spook ACTIVELY SEEK to be offended. If someone says the word "friend" in chat, you will be met with 20 cries of "BAN HE!" Why is this? Are these people of African descent? Demographics would say no, but perhaps they are. That word has been used in the past, and the present, and will be used in the future to demean people with dark skin. However, the problem is not with the letters n, i, a couple g's, e, and r put together. The fuck is that anyway? It's a collection of non-tangible concepts arranged in a certain way. It is fucking OBVIOUS most of the time when someone is being openly hostile to another person. I could say "You are a disgusting dark sub-human piece of garbage that deserves nothing more than to be wiped off the face of the earth." I could also say "Wow, you're being a friend bro." I would be banned for both extremely quickly. What is fundamentally different from the first and the second statements is that the first is charged with hostile energy. It is obvious from the context of the sentence that I am stating my wish for the eradication of a human being simply for the colour of his skin. That's fucked up. The second is not obviously charged with hostile energy and intent. It is POSSIBLE that I meant it to insult and evoke negative emotions in another person. It is also very possible that I meant it in a joking manner, in fact, with the intent to evoke POSITIVE emotions. It was intended for GOOD, not EVIL.

Here is what I am getting at. I do disagree with spook quite heavily on one point. I do think that there is negligible difference in results when you speak to people as he does when attempting to organize them. I do not think it is considerably more effective to be abrasive as he thinks. However, it is obvious to me that he intends his statements to create a POSITIVE outcome. He intends for his team to be more effective. To win. To get more gold and xp. To evoke positive emotions in his teammates because they just bent the other team over and fucked them with a cactus. It feels good to own and win, and it feels bad to suck and lose.

Now, finally, I must say that I cannot defend spook in his actions when they are something like "lol bundle of sticks get owned". That is intended to evoke negative emotions in the other party. I have seen him do this many times. However, it is worth noting that he almost ALWAYS says this in retaliation. He's not the kind of person to take shit without giving it back. I've only been around this mod for less than a year. I don't know how he started out. Maybe he started out being a scumbag and people are simply retaliating for the initial spookish insult. I don't know that shit, and frankly, I wouldn't trust many folks around here to give an objective view on how it all started. Opinions are absolutely SET one way or another. I see very little chance for anyone's mind to change. And that's a damn shame is what it is.


As a footnote, I have to say something to spook. Please do consider the point of view of a pedophile. I don't know what you personally believe about sexuality, but I'm of the opinion that much of it is not choice. I had a buddy that really liked feet in a sexual manner. Great, normal guy. He didn't know why he felt that way about feet, but he sure as hell did. Now, that is not a very controversial fetish. However, consider the position of an actual pedophile. He has inside of him a sexual desire for children. It's obvious that society does NOT accept the action of him having any sort of sexual relations with a child. I mean, that's a good thing too. I don't want folks being able to fuck toddlers and get away with it. I am not attempting to defend a predator in any way. But please, consider your words more carefully on the subject, spook. A pedophile is NOT an inherently evil or depraved person. There are many outlets for  pedophilic sexuality that do NOT harm children. Lolicon and animated child-sex and shit. Nobody's getting hurt there. In fact, this is preventing children from coming to physical and emotional harm. I bet life has a tendency to fucking SUCK for pedophiles. I don't have much of a sex drive myself, I don't really enjoy it that much. But for someone with a high sex drive that happens to unfortunately be a pedophile, how do you think that must feel? That person has children on his mind in a sexual manner for much of the day, but he or she can do NOTHING about it lest they commit a frankly heinous act that likely conflicts with their own personal morals as well as the laws of his or her nation. That has to fucking blow. Poor fucking bastards. So please, have some sympathy on these things.

Alright, so there's another wall of text regarding spook. And a moderate sized piece on why we shouldn't hate pedophiles. Didn't see that coming.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 09:23:28 pm
I don't think I ever saw so many advocates of the devil in one thread before.

It's fucking simple, old player calling new players "bundle of sticks", "retard" and "sperg" will most likely lead to him not coming back. I can't blame them either, who wants to be in a community with self-obsessed megalomaniacs?
Such people need to be removed, just like you remove the cancerous part before it spreads to the rest of the body. Bad atmosphere is what kills games and communities, not shitty patches.

Furthermore, is there anyone who wants to go to a place they've never been to before and without warning be greeted by a barrage of insults, offensive language and complete disrespect?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on September 11, 2012, 10:10:38 pm
Quote from: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 09:23:28 pm
I don't think I ever saw so many advocates of the devil in one thread before.

It's fucking simple, old player calling new players "bundle of sticks", "retard" and "sperg" will most likely lead to him not coming back. I can't blame them either, who wants to be in a community with self-obsessed megalomaniacs?
Such people need to be removed, just like you remove the cancerous part before it spreads to the rest of the body. Bad atmosphere is what kills games and communities, not shitty patches.

Furthermore, is there anyone who wants to go to a place they've never been to before and without warning be greeted by a barrage of insults, offensive language and complete disrespect?

Don't make the mistake of assuming too much. I am not playing "devil's advocate" I do not enjoy debate, and I do not garner enjoyment out of making people upset or disagree with me. I firmly believe everything that I posted.

Also; I have not once seen spook specifically call out a new player. He's not fucking retarded. He calls out long-time players that he feels should be performing better or doing something different, sure. In a fucking rude way, absolutely. I do not think that he has "scared off" many people. I think that you blow text on an online vidja game out of proportion. Many, many times I have attempted to give new players advice, ask them questions, all sorts of things. These people often times, very close to the majority of times, do not respond. They do not pay attention to chat, or they do not care. If they ignore or do not notice DIRECT comments that are obviously attempting to be helpful, do you truly think that they will focus upon generalized rude statements oftentimes accompanied by useful commands?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: OssumPawesome on September 11, 2012, 10:11:16 pm
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As a full-blooded and extremely proud American, with relatives and ancestors who died spilling blood and having their blood spilled during wartime to protect the freedom and sovereignty of this country, I can tell you the most important thing American citizens have is our freedom of speech.  It’s arguably the biggest reason we’re easily the greatest country on the planet.  However, over the years I’ve seen a new beast rear its ugly head operating under the guise of social justice and threatening the fabric of this most precious right.  The beast itself is called political correctness.  Based off a noble principle, it serves as an indirect and invisible blanket of intimidation meant to stifle and suppress any though that is not aligned within what is deemed socially acceptable by mainstream society.  It’s the most insidious form of widespread censorship and social engineering in post-modern society, and its impact is sadly felt on a daily basis.

This. A thousand times this.  This political correctness stance the admins are taking against spook is truly unreasonable and sad.

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Do you shout profanities at people in real life because you're frustrated with them as well? Does that get you any where in life, in general? I seriously doubt it does. An online gaming community is no different.

Bjord, you are so wrong it hurts.  An online gaming community is MUCH different.  I think we all know that profanity and inane insults are farrrr more common in online gaming communities - and this isn't a bad thing!  It's a part of competitive online gaming, and, frankly, if you can't handle it - maybe you should go elsewhere.

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he is playing on a private server with a specific code of conduct he is violating

smoothrich, this was a major point in the unban essay which I agree with - the code of conduct IS ANYTHING BUT SPECIFIC.  People call eachother bundle of stickss all day, but when this is or is not bannable is entirely subjective.

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You broke this rule, there is no arguing that. Your only logical options are to argue the validity of the rule (seems like a good rule to me that exists in basically every game out there) or to realize you made a mistake and apologize.

Lemmywinks, I think you glazed over the validity of this rule rather quickly.  Again a major point here is that this rule is entirely subjective.  Is everyone who uses "racism, insulting, griefing" banned?  Of course not.  How is this decided?  Well it seems to be decided however the admins feel like deciding it.  This sort of broad ability to ban anyone who talks any sort of trash in game is really scary and a bad power to give the authority.  Either specify which language is appropriate or stop childishly banning for language that displeases you.

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old player calling new players "bundle of sticks", "retard" and "sperg" will most likely lead to him not coming back.

Bjord - better line me up for the next ban.  Better line up half the crpg community while you're at it.

Let Spook back in.  He was banned for nonsense and the admins know it.  I think he's a hilarious addition to the community and generally fun to play with - those who don't agree can mute, or maybe try getting past being offended by text on a screen.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 11, 2012, 10:12:27 pm
"Please" works fine for me when I lead the pubbies.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 11, 2012, 10:14:01 pm
Quote from: Dexxtaa on September 11, 2012, 10:12:27 pm
"Please" works fine for me when I lead the pubbies.
Likewise.

Anywho, I'm mainly just posting here to say "Keep Spook banned" and to farm very easy +/- points since there are a few dedicated -1ers here who are more then happy to oblige me.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: oprah_winfrey on September 11, 2012, 10:24:48 pm
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As a full-blooded and extremely proud American, with relatives and ancestors who died spilling blood and having their blood spilled during wartime to protect the freedom and sovereignty of this country, I can tell you the most important thing American citizens have is our freedom of speech.

Do you actually believe that our ancestors died protecting our right to call people bundle of stickss on the internet?

The fact that Canary gave you essentially one guideline to follow for your essay and you couldn't even follow that shows a lot about your character.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on September 11, 2012, 10:26:00 pm
Quote from: OssumPawesome on September 11, 2012, 10:11:16 pm
Lemmywinks, I think you glazed over the validity of this rule rather quickly.  Again a major point here is that this rule is entirely subjective.  Is everyone who uses "racism, insulting, griefing" banned?  Of course not.  How is this decided?  Well it seems to be decided however the admins feel like deciding it.  This sort of broad ability to ban anyone who talks any sort of trash in game is really scary and a bad power to give the authority.  Either specify which language is appropriate or stop childishly banning for language that displeases you.

If spending year(s) verbally abusing/insulting people as spook has isn't reason to punish him under this rule, then i don't know what is. No they are not, a normal person who does this is warned and they stop 90% of the time, others may be banned. Spook has done this non stop and has ignored all warnings/orders to stop. He did this to himself. Any semi-reasonable person knows spook is in violation of this rule.

But more to the point. The rule, as are many other rules, is subjective. Its up to the admins to decide, and this is what they have decided, so that's the way it is. The devs have entrusted the admins with the ability to decide on subjective rules such as this. They trust their judgement and do not care if you have a problem with it, its not your decision its the admins decisions. And they are not going to go through the trouble of making  a list of words you cannot say. Not to mention you don't need bad words to insult people.

They expect the community to have some common sense, and if you lack the common sense to determine that two years of verbally berating people in the server with constant warnings given and no action by spook taken to improve on that is worthy of a ban, then there is no talking to you.

So ya, if you really think spook was treated unfairly, by all means go onto IRC and tell chadz why it was unfair to ban spook for calling people bundle of stickss and telling them to kill themselves for two years.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 10:26:47 pm
Quote from: oprah_winfrey on September 11, 2012, 10:24:48 pm
The fact that Canary gave you essentially one guideline to follow for your essay and you couldn't even follow that shows a lot about your character.

An idiot.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: OssumPawesome on September 11, 2012, 10:29:35 pm
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Its up to the admins to decide, and this is what they have decided, so that's the way it is.

I don't think I've ever seen the crpg admin community more succinctly and accurately described.  This is depressing.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on September 11, 2012, 10:40:16 pm
Quote from: OssumPawesome on September 11, 2012, 10:29:35 pm
I don't think I've ever seen the crpg admin community more succinctly and accurately described.  This is depressing.

Thats the way it is, its the dev's servers and its their mod, they can make the rules and do whatever they want. They have chosen the admins to uphold their rules. If you dont want to follow the rules you can go play something else, or in spooks case play anyways until you get perma-banned.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 11, 2012, 11:10:48 pm
Quote from: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 10:26:47 pm
An idiot.

Are you talking about Egan or who he's referring to ?

All said, the essay itself is written with sufficient - if skewed (and biased) - evidence to support it. Spook, to me, you still have managed to insult certain groups of people despite the title you were assigned for your unban essay. Writing an excellent paper on bananas is pointless if you were assigned to write one about apples anyway.

OssumPossum, I don't think anyone is really paying attention to your posts at this point, since all you're really doing is defending SpookIsland mindlessly. There is not one shred of feedback that you've posted that can be viewed objectively and facilitate the unbanning of SpookIsland.

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Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on September 11, 2012, 11:23:46 pm
Quote from: Bjord on September 11, 2012, 10:35:03 am
To answer a question with a question, do you remember that thread where he staged his own death in a pathetic attempt to seek attention?
Actually Allers made that thread, spook just played along.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Cepeshi on September 11, 2012, 11:27:48 pm
cannot believe i had to + Bjord...world comes to its end

still, all who defend him, get a grip
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: OssumPawesome on September 11, 2012, 11:31:03 pm
Dexxtaa
I posted in support of spook's point that the subjectivity of language moderation brings just about the whole community into a grey area.  Anyone in this area can be banned if the admins see fit to do so.  I think that banning for language in this specific case is wrong, and that banning for language is also wrong generally.  I think these points are far from mindless.  Admins aren't paying attention because:

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Its up to the admins to decide, and this is what they have decided, so that's the way it is.

You don't want to make the rules better - you want to enforce them however you damn well please, and you'll probably continue to do so.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bobthehero on September 11, 2012, 11:56:05 pm
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You managed to come off as a bigger arrogant bastard than I could ever be, kudos to that, but stay banned.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on September 12, 2012, 12:06:42 am
Quote from: Dexxtaa on September 11, 2012, 10:12:27 pm
"Please" works fine for me when I lead the pubbies.

One more post and then I'm out of this thread. Folks are going nuts over this shit. It's obvious that he isn't getting unbanned. Not one admin is in his defense...and I'd be willing to bet not more than two of them are even neutral. When it's that much of a majority, the case is closed. No hung juries here.

Anyway, just want to back Dexxtaa up. This guy is one of the only folks to try and call out commands to the team. They are always intelligent, and Dexx is a fantastic person and always cordial+polite. And sometimes, people even listen to him. Only other people that I see regularly attempt to lead teams are Robert Namo (who I think is playing GW2 or something, so he barely counts) and myself (who also barely counts, because in comparison to many players and indeed many people in this thread, I'm not only new but also quite bad at the game).


Closing statement. I urge, plead, kindly beg all of you to refuse to take a stance of "it is the admins decision, they are there for a reason, their word is law, etc" That's a fucking dangerous thing to say. That last sentence was dramatization and hyperbole, sure. But people, have your OWN opinions on things. State those opinions in a lucid, well thought-out manner. Do not be rude to others for their opinions. I have much more respect for those that stated something like "Spook is a fucking douche, he broke a bunch of rules, he scares away new players, he needs to stay banned" than those who stated "the admins make the calls, deal w/ it" Even if I strongly disagree with people stating that spook needs to stay banned and the community has no place for people that are rude, I commend them for coming out and saying it.

Oh, and by the way, if I had my way, there would be absolutely no disciplinary action taken for anything other than griefing, teamkilling, and cheating. This game has one of the most simple and intuitive mute functions I have ever seen. If this was Red Orchestra 2 or something, it would be different. People should be pro-active and take measures to protect their sentiments and feelings; not be protected by someone else.

Thank you for your time; you're all beautiful.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Smoothrich on September 12, 2012, 12:26:11 am
yes you're right spook will go down as a martyr for pedophiles and racists everywhere because of your posting and henceforth crpg is now a fascist police state run by the adminarchy

kneel peasants
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: LastKaze on September 12, 2012, 01:30:58 am
God Wills this permaban!
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 12, 2012, 01:40:50 am
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on September 12, 2012, 12:06:42 am
One more post and then I'm out of this thread. Folks are going nuts over this shit. It's obvious that he isn't getting unbanned. Not one admin is in his defense...and I'd be willing to bet not more than two of them are even neutral. When it's that much of a majority, the case is closed. No hung juries here.

Anyway, just want to back Dexxtaa up. This guy is one of the only folks to try and call out commands to the team. They are always intelligent, and Dexx is a fantastic person and always cordial+polite. And sometimes, people even listen to him. Only other people that I see regularly attempt to lead teams are Robert Namo (who I think is playing GW2 or something, so he barely counts) and myself (who also barely counts, because in comparison to many players and indeed many people in this thread, I'm not only new but also quite bad at the game).


Closing statement. I urge, plead, kindly beg all of you to refuse to take a stance of "it is the admins decision, they are there for a reason, their word is law, etc" That's a fucking dangerous thing to say. That last sentence was dramatization and hyperbole, sure. But people, have your OWN opinions on things. State those opinions in a lucid, well thought-out manner. Do not be rude to others for their opinions. I have much more respect for those that stated something like "Spook is a fucking douche, he broke a bunch of rules, he scares away new players, he needs to stay banned" than those who stated "the admins make the calls, deal w/ it" Even if I strongly disagree with people stating that spook needs to stay banned and the community has no place for people that are rude, I commend them for coming out and saying it.

Oh, and by the way, if I had my way, there would be absolutely no disciplinary action taken for anything other than griefing, teamkilling, and cheating. This game has one of the most simple and intuitive mute functions I have ever seen. If this was Red Orchestra 2 or something, it would be different. People should be pro-active and take measures to protect their sentiments and feelings; not be protected by someone else.

Thank you for your time; you're all beautiful.

+1 because you called me beautiful.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: oohillac on September 12, 2012, 03:19:12 am
@essay

It is not whether you are "right" in leading people, or whether you should have a right to use what could be construed as offensive language.

It is about showing basic respect and decency.  You are clearly too full of yourself to admit you were wrong, and tried to cover that fact up in your essay by (ab)using various elements of patriotism, sticking-it-to-the-man, relatable music tastes, etc.

-1
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: rufio on September 12, 2012, 04:20:54 am
cognitive biased dude right here, bad pub leader to it seems. op is pretty confused about alot of stuff. i mean just say sorry and start calling players maggots when you want them to listen :P this whole selfdefense post was pretty funny thow. i guess op dousnt realize that the people also love a hero that can come to reason with his mistakes and bad behaviour, make ammends and move on to be a better person.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Nightingale on September 12, 2012, 07:31:14 am
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No.

Quote from: Tears of Destiny on September 11, 2012, 10:14:01 pm
Anywho, I'm mainly just posting here to say "Keep Spook banned" and to farm very easy +/- points since there are a few dedicated -1ers here who are more then happy to oblige me.

 :|
 I +1 all of your posts in this I think.... I came across this and couldn't help myself to +1 you again!
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: genric on September 12, 2012, 07:53:24 am
There is so much I could say involving this whole thread but it would take forever just to get one point across. I think I'll make it easy on myself and vote to permaban.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: In Cauda Venenum on September 12, 2012, 08:33:26 am
I can see both points.
Spook doesn't really need to call everyone a bundle of sticks to get his point across.
Kids shouldn't take everything to heart and get so butthurt over everything.
Nobody really took offense over anything so imo, unban but when you say that you follow the black and white rules, that's a blatant fucking lie since you're obviously harassing people.
If you look beyond the rules though and base it on common sense, I believe he should stay.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Paul on September 12, 2012, 09:04:25 am
I read it all, had some laughs and really hope for OP's mortal soul that he is just trolling. One point of those essays is for us to see if the subject understood why he was banned. With that we can permaban without remorse at the next similar offense because then we are sure he knew what he was doing.

Writing a "I knew what I was doing and I will do it again" essay saves us that trouble though, thanks. Gut your fish elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bobthehero on September 12, 2012, 09:10:25 am
<3 Paul, who did not kill the mod this time.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 12, 2012, 09:12:04 am
Ciao Spook, see ya never(unless you buy a new key).
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Goretooth on September 12, 2012, 09:14:22 am
Quote from: Bjord on September 12, 2012, 09:12:04 am
Ciao Spook, see ya never(unless you buy a new key).
and see that key get banned most likely.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Cepeshi on September 12, 2012, 09:44:44 am
Quote from: Bjord on September 12, 2012, 09:12:04 am
Ciao Spook, see ya never(unless you buy a new key).

That didnt worked out for Banos aswell, so ... GG :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Smoothrich on September 12, 2012, 10:13:04 pm
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Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Ganner on September 12, 2012, 10:21:58 pm
Quote from: Paul on September 12, 2012, 09:04:25 am
I read it all, had some laughs and really hope for OP's mortal soul that he is just trolling. One point of those essays is for us to see if the subject understood why he was banned. With that we can permaban without remorse at the next similar offense because then we are sure he knew what he was doing.

Writing a "I knew what I was doing and I will do it again" essay saves us that trouble though, thanks. Gut your fish elsewhere.

QFMFT.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: MrShine on September 13, 2012, 01:03:56 am
didn't you die?

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Kirbyy on September 13, 2012, 02:32:02 am
Spook great essay :) Lowered you're negative score from -13 to -12 xP
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Amatsuka on September 13, 2012, 03:12:17 am
A victory for the small minded and petty.  This community is the worst.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 06:32:27 am
First time visiting this post since making it, not really surprised by how many trolls showed up to try to keep me banned.  Bjord is a perfect example.  The kid literally was the first person in here with multiple posts trying to undermine the truth of what I said.

Like I said, I eat trolls for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  Bjord was just another nameless troll who got spanked in game then went crying to the forum to try and save some shred of the dignity he lost.
Literally no idea who he even is.  Don't worry, I get that a lot.  People I don't even recognize trying to start garbage with me because they are carrying some grudge.  I'm nothing more than a target of their anger that stems from conflict in their own personal lives.

Like it or not there are people who are genuinely full of hate who play this game.  I'm not one of them.  Do you see me taking my harassment to the forum? No.
Look at the same example I gave you, Bjord, and it's a totally different story. 

Like it or not, I don't hate anybody in this game or community.  I like plenty of people who play here and a lot of people like me.  Maybe that eats some of you up.  That doesn't really concern me. 


You know what the funniest thing about this is.

Literally one single day after posting this.  The U.S. Embassy in Egypt is attacked on the anniversary of 9-11, our flag is torn down and burned, and what do we do about it?
We issue an apology to the people who attacked us.

We issue an apology based off the fact some crackpot in California made a movie depicting Muhammad in a negative light.    Then we essentially apologize for our freedom of speech while the Egyptian security forces, we donate a billion dollars toward every year in aid, do nothing to stop the riot that occurs on American soil overseas.

What does this apology do to quell the riot?  Absolutely nothing.  The Egyptian security forces allow the riot to go as far as they deem necessary; all but to the point of burning the embassy to the ground.

This is the perfect example of what the PC epidemic of behavior accomplishes.  Absolutely nothing.


Meanwhile this event acts as a smokescreen of cover while 4 Americans, including an ambassador, are murdered in Libyan territory by jihadists.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 13, 2012, 06:58:48 am
Your post positively shot off on a tangent. Are you planning to bring it to a head, or leave us hanging with bated breath.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:16:06 am
Let me try to boil this down further:

Frankly, I'm not entirely sure why I should be forced to apologize for talking trash while other players are allowed to get away with it even though they may be conducting it on a more minor scale.

Am I supposed to be held to some higher standard than every other player; despite not being an administrator or holding any formal title other than player?  Honestly.


I'm smart enough to see the writing on the wall here.  I can issue some fake apology for talking trash like what is trying to be forced by guidelines directly issued to me.
Other players can use this to their advantage to try and start garbage with me to use it against me in a ban.

Meanwhile, trash talking continues to be a part of every day life on the server, with only myself being visibly singled out for it.

Here's the thing:

If you make trash talk 100% against the rules, I will abide by that policy fully.  I will even report instances of it where I see it just out of principle alone(if I can't do it, why would I let someone else).

I personally feel that I'm being lured into some future trap with this.

Here's what happens.

1.  I'm essentially forced to issue an apology to the community; even though nobody from the community (that I know of) put forward a ban request on me with evidence to back it up.  This was purely a homework project by the admins themselves digging up log information in their spare time.

2. After my apology, I have a big target on my back for every player with a petty grudge to try and start shit with me attempting to goad me into asserting my dominance toward them.  They break the subjective guidelines in an attempt to get me to do the same.  Then they report me, get away with it, and I'm punished severely because the Admins hold my record above my head despite not starting the confrontation.

If the admins make trash talking and insult hurling 100% illegal, I'll be happy to follow those rules.  I can adapt to that easily.  Right now, that is not the case.  There's a huge grey area purposefully built into the rules as they stand. 

So why should I be held accountable and unprivileged to such behavior while others are allowed to continue doing the same thing at their leisure with no repercussion?
That's what I don't understand.

Why should I be expected to respect such a scenario of clear unfairness and double-standards?


Look...  I'm not ashamed of who I am, where I come from, how far I've come in life, etc...
I fucking love who I am.  That's just a fact of life.  I wish more people felt that way and maybe there wouldn't be so much fuckin bitterness in the world.

If I've genuinely offended anyone with my mindless flaming unintended for anything other than entertainment, then I apologize for my words making you feel that way, but I'm not sorry for saying any of it because it wasn't my intention to hurt you.

Considering that nobody came forward anytime recently with ban requests bolstering such claims with strictly shown evidence, I do not believe anyone is genuinely hurt by anything I've said.


If I had intended to hurt you with anything I've said, and you were genuinely damaged by it emotionally, I would feel differently.  I'm not a monster or a strict sociopath.

That's just me being 100% honest.


If someone can convince me otherwise and that I was genuinely destroying the community or whatever,  I'm all ears.
Feel free to shoot.  We can talk about it like adult human beings instead of trying to simply get our way on the issue.

I didn't type out that giant response just so I could simply get my way.  That's pretty clear. 

I typed it out to give you my viewpoint; to make an effort to impact any people who were open-minded and interested in the topic even just slightly.

Look, I genuinely 100% believe in changing people's opinions with intelligent back-and-forth rather than "my-way-or-the-highway" tactics which I have absolutely no respect for.

I want the back and forth.  I want to know why you feel the way you do and have the opportunity to convince you otherwise if I feel opposed to it.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:19:11 am
Quote from: Dexxtaa on September 13, 2012, 06:58:48 am
Your post positively shot off on a tangent. Are you planning to bring it to a head, or leave us hanging with bated breath.

Are you seriously unable to draw a connection from what I originally posted in this topic and the events that unfolded yesterday?

Or are you just playing dumb?

Also, I've never seen you lead a pub game in my entire time playing this game in 2.5 years and 35 generations so don't try saying "please works just fine for me."
By my own personal experience, I think you're completely and utterly full of shit saying that.

If I had actually seen you lead at least once, I'd probably feel differently.  However, that is not the case.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:56:00 am
Quote from: Smoothrich on September 11, 2012, 07:05:23 am
significant megalomania, lack of empathy, ad hominems, victim blaming, deriding a "progressive movement" in america to stop people saying friend and bundle of sticks as ignorant, proudly talking about freedom of speech and business master's yet not realizing he is playing on a private server with a specific code of conduct he is violating, making the argument that going to a burger king and yelling MAKE A DELICIOUS MOTHERFUCKING WHOPPER YOU LAZY friend bundle of sticks to get better than expected lunch would be patriotic, undertones of legitimate misogyny, homophobia, and racism in every sentence

a+ would unban for entertaining essay, but as a mission statement on the life and times of spookisland and a personal philosophy it is hilariously awful


1. You've violated that same code you're speaking of, even in the position of admin, and been allowed to get away with it. 
Unless you want to tell all of us you have never violated those rules?  I'd be interested in hearing that.
If that's the case, Admins could forward me your unedited logs and we could see for ourselves. I don't think it'd take me very long to find some damning examples. 
We both know this.  So don't try to play the code of conduct game with me when we both know you're a hypocrite.

2. A really lousy strawman argument involving burger king isn't an excuse for an actual argument. 
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 08:07:56 am
Quote from: Lemmy_Winks on September 11, 2012, 05:02:27 pm
No abuse of in-game chat (racism, insulting, griefing...)

I believe this is the rule you've been accused of breaking.

How many insults do you think occur in your average game of CRPG?
How many people do you see getting reprimanded or banned everyday for insulting?

Do you really expect people to respect a rule that only gets enforced  when the admins simply feel like it?  Even when such admins themselves have knowingly broken such rules?
Honestly, I really want to know.

But try applying that same mentality to real-life and ask yourself if you'd feel the same if people committing fraud, theft, etc.. were only punished at all whenever Judges felt like it.

Something tells me a free society wouldn't last very long with stipulations such as that.


Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 08:15:05 am
I have to get to bed because I have work tomorrow morning, but I'll be back here when possible to discuss some of the issues I've brought up here tonight.  If you have a real argument or legitimate point you want to bring up in an effort to convince me otherwise, please feel more than encouraged.

If you're just going to try trolling me pathetically on the forum because you have some grudge for whatever reason, please spare me, because I'm most likely just going to ignore your stupidity and immature attempts to feel validated as a person.  Either that or I'll make an example of that style of thinking.

I do want the admins to read and respond to what I sad earlier on this page though.  I brought up some pretty good points and I'd like to see what the administrator staff feels about them.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Vibe on September 13, 2012, 08:40:45 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 06:32:27 am
Like it or not there are people who are genuinely full of hate who play this game.  I'm not one of them.

rofl

Actually all the above posts (serious multipost, l2forum) are fucking lol.
Someone has to mute this guy, because now he's just trolling us.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 13, 2012, 08:49:43 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:19:11 am
Are you seriously unable to draw a connection from what I originally posted in this topic and the events that unfolded yesterday?

Or are you just playing dumb?

Also, I've never seen you lead a pub game in my entire time playing this game in 2.5 years and 35 generations so don't try saying "please works just fine for me."
By my own personal experience, I think you're completely and utterly full of shit saying that.

If I had actually seen you lead at least once, I'd probably feel differently.  However, that is not the case.

Which is how I have come to lead a successful clan by my criteria.

That not being the point, I have led teams. The difference being that you tended to be screaming over me, so I left you to your own devices with your freaking out at your/my team. I only took the time to address you directly when people began complaining of your frequent and abusive conduct.

I lead the team in conjunction with my clan. Unlike you, I do not scream profanities at my team in a vain effort to control their battlefield movements. You seem to link abuse and leadership together, which I can assure you is not the case, under any circumstances.

I can tell you that I make it a point not to lead a battle when you are on my team because it is frankly tiring to have to bash heads with you.

Your personal experience with me is extremely limited simply because I have chosen not to consort with you. I do not believe that you are the "leader" that you make yourself out to be simply because people do not listen to you. Perhaps you get a better response on the siege server.

Also if you want to reference people being "full of shit," make sure you read page 1, post #1.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 13, 2012, 09:53:12 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 06:32:27 am
First time visiting this post since making it, not really surprised by how many trolls showed up to try to keep me banned.  Bjord is a perfect example.  The kid literally was the first person in here with multiple posts trying to undermine the truth of what I said.

Like I said, I eat trolls for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  Bjord was just another nameless troll who got spanked in game then went crying to the forum to try and save some shred of the dignity he lost.
Literally no idea who he even is.  Don't worry, I get that a lot.  People I don't even recognize trying to start garbage with me because they are carrying some grudge.  I'm nothing more than a target of their anger that stems from conflict in their own personal lives.

Like it or not there are people who are genuinely full of hate who play this game.  I'm not one of them.  Do you see me taking my harassment to the forum? No.
Look at the same example I gave you, Bjord, and it's a totally different story. 

Like it or not, I don't hate anybody in this game or community.  I like plenty of people who play here and a lot of people like me.  Maybe that eats some of you up.  That doesn't really concern me. 

First of all, pointing out obvious flaws and arguing against them is not "undermining the truth". Maybe for you it is, since you're convinced that you're innocent and since you're so proud of your essay.

I'm not carrying a grudge, I simply saw you were banned and also saw the chat logs that led to it. Then I remembered that pathetic thread. Do you remember it? I'm sure you do, it's that one where you thought people would actually give a shit if you died. Well, some of them did but that didn't last long.

I actually believe you, Spook. I don't think you're full of hate. I think you're full of yourself. You think you're above everyone else, even the rules in this community. It's so obvious, starting just by reading a couple of rows in this essay about how great you are as a person, completely evading the goal of writing unban essays. That makes you an idiot.

I don't hate you either Spook, you should really stop thinking so highly of you. I actually think you're a pretty bright guy. As many said, you write eloquently and in some way, ignoring the bullshit there is small bits of truth. But when it all boils down, you have been spreading too much bad atmosphere for much too long. If you never realized this day would come then I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. I think you know fully well that pissing dozens of people off would eventually lead to your removal. Majority rules everything(well almost).

Maybe one day it will occur to you that being likeable is a better alternative than being "the poor little martyr" that just wants to give everyone multipliers by writing profanities in caps lock. Seriously, even though you tried to justify your chat abuse, that was the dumbest shit I heard so far.

Bjord out.
/me drops the microphone on the floor and leaves the stage.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on September 13, 2012, 09:54:51 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 08:07:56 am
How many insults do you think occur in your average game of CRPG?
How many people do you see getting reprimanded or banned everyday for insulting?

Do you really expect people to respect a rule that only gets enforced  when the admins simply feel like it?  Even when such admins themselves have knowingly broken such rules?
Honestly, I really want to know.

But try applying that same mentality to real-life and ask yourself if you'd feel the same if people committing fraud, theft, etc.. were only punished at all whenever Judges felt like it.

Something tells me a free society wouldn't last very long with stipulations such as that.

... Frankly, I'm not entirely sure why I should be forced to apologize for talking trash while other players are allowed to get away with it even though they may be conducting it on a more minor scale.
... Am I supposed to be held to some higher standard than every other player; despite not being an administrator or holding any formal title other than player?  Honestly.

In this quote as well as the other ones i pasted in there, it seems you believe that your being singled out in the enforcement of this rule. Do others talk shit to each-other? Yes although it is mostly shit talking amongst friends but it does happen. However the point here is that you take it to a whole nother level where real action needs to be taken to correct it. This rule is not like team killing, where if you do it once your punished for it with a ban. Its a more subjective rule and up to the admins discretion when to warn and punish. If you did it as much as a normal person does, which is not at all or only jokingly amongst your friends nothing would happen to you. But when you spend two years saying horrible things to people (everyone) youve crossed the point to where an admin does need to step in and punish you for it just to make it stop, because it has become that out of hand. And its hard to understand how you cannot differentiate between small amounts of shit talk between two friends and calling everyone of the server a bundle of sticks 37 times in less than an hour and doing it every day for two years and how the later might warrant a much more severe punishment than the former which may not require any at all. Honestly im surprised this didnt happen to you sooner, which brings me to my next point.

Your main point is that your being singled out because of your reputation and because others do not like you. I would argue that your reputation is what has enabled you to behave this way and get away with it for such a long time. If you were just some unknown asshole who was doing this you would have been banned a very long time ago. Because you are "spook island" and you have a name in this game and a "fan base" its going to take an admin alot more to ban you than it would be for some unknown player no one cared about. This is because if they do take action against you they know they are going to take alot of shit for it from the people who know and like you, and they have. If it was the unknown guy no one would come to his defense, no one would care, it would be easy. Its kind of the same reason Heuy has gotten away with so much, people know him and like him, and the admins, even though they shouldn't, do care about what the people in the community think of them. And doing something that is unpopular with certain people like banning some figure they really like is going hurt their reputation in the eyes of those people.

So you being you has only helped you not get banned for so long, it definitely has not hurt you. Not to mention behaving this way for such a long time has made people expect this kind of behavior out of you, wereas they would be appalled if someone more respectable just randomly did it one day, it would be a much bigger deal to them. You are not held to a higher standard, in terms of chat decency you are held to the lowest standards of anyone who has ever played this game. If just about anyone did what you do every day in a server, people would be all over them cursing them out telling them to shut up or demanding they be kicked or muted. You do it and everyone knows, thats spook, hes an asshole, its what he does (the admins fall victim to this mentality just as the players do). When the day comes that someone else does what you do for as long as you have done it and isnt banned for it after 2 years then you can say you are held to a higher standard, but that will never happen as i doubt anyone will ever be allowed to get away with as much as you have again.

Saying you did nto mean to offend anyone doesnt mean anything. All that matters is how the people in the server take it, and i doubt many of them like it. I dont play in seige anymore, but when i was starting out i did because seige is kind of like the D league of crpg and i was just learning to play. Anyways i was exposed to you, sometimes the stuff you said was funny, and at times it wore on me to the point where i really wished you weren't there, it gets old. Given my tolerance for this kind of talk which is much higher than the vast majority of palyers id have to imagine 80% of the palyers on there are not happy about it. I also being a casual seige player did not even know this forum existed, and didn't find out until months later, nor did i know i could complain about any of this. Not to mention most people who get banned technically are never reported by a player (few players go through the trouble of doing this even when intentionally tked multiple times as has happened to me), the admin notices the actions and takes matters into their own hands, and that is perfectly appropriate.

And comparing the rules of a server in a video game to real life laws isn't a realistic thing to do. This is not real life, this is a server owned by a group of people who do not like that kind of behavior, so they don't allow it. Again all that matters is what they think and what they want, one dev has already made his opinion known in this thread. If youd like you can buy your own server, then you can curse out anyone who comes in to play there. No doubt it will be full all the time.

And no one was expecting you to write a sincrere essay expressing your remorse for your actions, the only question there is now is will you stop doing this and behave appropriately. We did not need your in depth analysis of why the changing of American culture for the worse is reason to allow you to break the rules on a server owned by people who are not even American nor care about whatever it is your talking about. I need to stop wasting my time in these threads.

Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 13, 2012, 10:04:07 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:16:06 am
Frankly, I'm not entirely sure why I should be forced to apologize for talking trash while other players are allowed to get away with it even though they may be conducting it on a more minor scale.
You let your dog take a crap in public on a business property, you get your wrist slapped and possibly a fine or a warning.
You let your dog crap in public on a business property every day every week every month, you go to court.

I now await your amazing tangent obvious-troll-is-obvious posts. Thank goodness that these forums exist when I am bored.
Regardless, you are not "forced" to apologize, just read what Paul said and that is pretty much the entire purpose of this thread.
Quote from: Paul on September 12, 2012, 09:04:25 am
I read it all, had some laughs and really hope for OP's mortal soul that he is just trolling. One point of those essays is for us to see if the subject understood why he was banned. With that we can permaban without remorse at the next similar offense because then we are sure he knew what he was doing.

Writing a "I knew what I was doing and I will do it again" essay saves us that trouble though, thanks. Gut your fish elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: IR_Kuoin on September 13, 2012, 10:31:09 am
Post was so long I just had to + it up  :lol:
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Canary on September 13, 2012, 11:19:07 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:16:06 am
1.  I'm essentially forced to issue an apology to the community; even though nobody from the community (that I know of) put forward a ban request on me with evidence to back it up.  This was purely a homework project by the admins themselves digging up log information in their spare time.

A) Someone requested we look through the logs.*

B) Literally everything we do here, even as admins, is in our spare time. No one wants go go through thousands of lines of text.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:16:06 am
2. After my apology, I have a big target on my back for every player with a petty grudge to try and start shit with me attempting to goad me into asserting my dominance toward them.  They break the subjective guidelines in an attempt to get me to do the same.  Then they report me, get away with it, and I'm punished severely because the Admins hold my record above my head despite not starting the confrontation.

This is exactly how they feel when you speak to them. Why is it, do you think, that people have been directing their ire towards you so often in the form of abusive actions? It would be a taste of your own medicine, so to speak.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:16:06 am
If the admins make trash talking and insult hurling 100% illegal, I'll be happy to follow those rules.  I can adapt to that easily.  Right now, that is not the case.  There's a huge grey area purposefully built into the rules as they stand. 

So why should I be held accountable and unprivileged to such behavior while others are allowed to continue doing the same thing at their leisure with no repercussion?
That's what I don't understand.

You've done it to the point where it isn't just trashtalking, it's a willful attempt to alienate entire servers of people. The rules have gray areas because we're still discovering and establishing the boundaries for them, it is an ongoing process. You, actually, are helping.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:16:06 am
Considering that nobody came forward anytime recently with ban requests bolstering such claims with strictly shown evidence, I do not believe anyone is genuinely hurt by anything I've said.

*It was you who mentioned we should look through the logs (http://forum.meleegaming.com/na-(official)/ban-travoltasmassagetherapist-for-intentional-tw-tking/msg593674/#msg593674).

As for the other thing, see the following under the spoiler:
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Quote from: Spook Island on September 13, 2012, 07:16:06 am
If I had intended to hurt you with anything I've said, and you were genuinely damaged by it emotionally, I would feel differently.  I'm not a monster or a strict sociopath.

...

If someone can convince me otherwise and that I was genuinely destroying the community or whatever,  I'm all ears.

I somehow doubt you could be convinced of other players' feelings, given your arguments and feelings on freedom.

Anyway, there's your "evidence" of people feeling so fed up with you that they willingly break the server rules to shut you up for a round. A pattern emerged where people did not like you because of what you were saying. I looked through the logs and found, well, hundreds of lines over the course of one day of instances where I would have muted you had I been online (and one time where I did mute you). You push the limits of the offensiveness rules, the chat abuse rules and then on top of that get under peoples' skin so specifically and intently that they feel compelled to act out against you. You are a negative impact on this community and you've made it clear that you intend to continue to be so.

As for the other people in this thread and the "freedom of speech" argument, the notion that Spook was banned for saying a few bad words is false. The content of his messages did impact why he was banned, but the context is much worse than that. If you want me to give you a Real Life True American example of why he's banned and not everyone else who calls people "bundle of stickss", just look up your state's local laws on disturbing the peace.

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Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: oohillac on September 13, 2012, 08:53:35 pm
GG SPOOKFANS
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Boss on September 13, 2012, 09:15:18 pm
My god, how much vanity can one person have?

It's coming outta his ass!!!
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: OssumPawesome on September 14, 2012, 12:50:47 am
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You've done it to the point where it isn't just trashtalking, it's a willful attempt to alienate entire servers of people. The rules have gray areas because we're still discovering and establishing the boundaries for them, it is an ongoing process. You, actually, are helping.

Canary even said that Spook is helping!
Free Spook!  Praise him!

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Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 14, 2012, 02:02:56 am
Quote from: OssumPawesome on September 14, 2012, 12:50:47 am
Canary even said that Spook is helping!
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Why is this guy still here?

Why don't you stay in your own clan thread and leave the objective discussion to the adults. Even Spook is arguments that are at least backed up.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: SixThumbs on September 14, 2012, 02:45:22 am
Can we mute him on the forums too?

I also like the wording of this one: "Shouting profanities out of a car window in front of a person's home over an extended period of time". Makes it sound like it's alright to do it once as you're driving by.

Also, there's a difference between trying to jar someone from certain modal ways of thinking, creating new avenues for thought, and just being a douche-bag and pushing people's buttons
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: OssumPawesome on September 14, 2012, 03:19:40 am
Calm down dex.  There have been quite a few irrelevant posts - one by yourself. or is "+1 because you called me beautiful" part of this objective discussion backed up by facts?

Just. Fuckin chill, admins.  It's ok to just take a breather from being tightasses all the damn time.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 14, 2012, 05:27:35 am
Quote from: Dexxtaa on September 13, 2012, 08:49:43 am
Which is how I have come to lead a successful clan by my criteria.

That not being the point, I have led teams. The difference being that you tended to be screaming over me, so I left you to your own devices with your freaking out at your/my team. I only took the time to address you directly when people began complaining of your frequent and abusive conduct.

I lead the team in conjunction with my clan. Unlike you, I do not scream profanities at my team in a vain effort to control their battlefield movements. You seem to link abuse and leadership together, which I can assure you is not the case, under any circumstances.

I can tell you that I make it a point not to lead a battle when you are on my team because it is frankly tiring to have to bash heads with you.

Your personal experience with me is extremely limited simply because I have chosen not to consort with you. I do not believe that you are the "leader" that you make yourself out to be simply because people do not listen to you. Perhaps you get a better response on the siege server.

Also if you want to reference people being "full of shit," make sure you read page 1, post #1.


Dex, I have never seen you lead one game in thousands and thousands of rounds and over 2.5+ years of playing. 
Even if I was "screaming over you," I still would have noticed you trying.  However, I've never ever seen it.

And yes, I am the leader I make myself out to be; whether you like it or not.  My ways have worked.  That's why I use them. 
Even people who don't like me are mature enough to admit that I know what I'm talking about and know what I'm doing.  You should put your pride aside and try joining them.

It really boils down to this question.

You have a tumor inside your brain that is going to kill you. 
The surgery itself is extremely dangerous. 

Do you pick the nice guy brain surgeon who isn't very good at his job?
Or do you pick the asshole, who is the best at what he does, and is going to get the job done even if he has to fray some nerves?

We all know what the clear and sane option is.
You can try to twist it around as much as you want.

We all know what option you would pick, even if you don't want to openly admit it.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 14, 2012, 05:33:09 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 14, 2012, 05:27:35 am
It really boils down to this question.

You have a tumor inside your brain that is going to kill you. 
The surgery itself is extremely dangerous. 

Do you pick the nice guy brain surgeon who isn't very good at his job?
Or do you pick the asshole, who is the best at what he does, and is going to get the job done even if he has to fray some nerves?

Is this the part where I point out that at least in America, doctors can be fired for the same behavior you exhibit? I should also point out that the rigorous trainings and standards, reviews and such means there are no practicing "brain surgeons" or any surgeon operating in America who is "not very good at his job."

I would be forced to choose the doctor who still has his license.

It boils down to you exhibiting behavior not condoned in a private establishment, and said private establishment throwing you out. What Canary said about the "Freedom of Speech and Disturbing the peace" still applies here. Society has never been very tolerant of anti-social behavior.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 14, 2012, 05:40:24 am
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on September 14, 2012, 05:33:09 am
Is this the part where I point out that at least in America, doctors can be fired for the same behavior you exhibit? I should also point out that the rigorous trainings and standards, reviews and such means there are no practicing "brain surgeons" or any surgeon operating in America who is "not very good at his job."

I would be forced to choose the doctor who still has his license.

It boils down to you exhibiting behavior not condoned in a private establishment, and said private establishment throwing you out. What Canary said about the "Freedom of Speech and Disturbing the peace" still applies here. Society has never been very tolerant of anti-social behavior.

And you would die because you put your pride over reason and basic rationale.  That pretty much tells me and everybody else all they need to know.

There's plenty of people who display anti-social behavior.  Some are even admins.
You can't make a black and white argument with a grey area rulebook.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 14, 2012, 05:43:23 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 14, 2012, 05:40:24 am
And you would die because you put your pride over reason and basic rationale.  That pretty much tells me and everybody else all they need to know.

There's plenty of people who display anti-social behavior.  Some are even admins.
You can't make a black and white argument with a grey area rulebook.

No, I would possibly die because I'm forced by Federal law to choose the "nice guy" who is still allowed in the hospital over the "asshole" who is without an operating table. Though in real life, I would actually bother doing research and choose someone who is competent at their job AND has their job still due to not being fired (Because again, in real life a doctor WILL be fired in America if said doctor speaks to patients as you do to your team. period).

Your comparisons to real life are terrible.

For someone who prides himself at critical thinking your RL comparisons are completely unrealistic and borderline tangent.

Again, "freedom of speech" does not allow oneself to be a public disturbance as that is "disturbing the peace" or "being a public nuisance."

Quote from: Spook Island on September 14, 2012, 05:40:24 am
You can't make a black and white argument with a grey area rulebook.
Agreed, so stop making black and white comparisons.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 14, 2012, 06:07:54 am
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on September 14, 2012, 05:43:23 am
No, I would possibly die because I'm forced by Federal law to choose the "nice guy" who is still allowed in the hospital over the "asshole" who is without an operating table. Though in real life, I would actually bother doing research and choose someone who is competent at their job AND has their job still due to not being fired (Because again, in real life a doctor WILL be fired in America if said doctor speaks to patients as you do to your team. period).

Your comparisons to real life are terrible.

For someone who prides himself at critical thinking your RL comparisons are completely unrealistic and borderline tangent.

Again, "freedom of speech" does not allow oneself to be a public disturbance as that is "disturbing the peace" or "being a public nuisance."
Agreed, so stop making black and white comparisons.

No, you would most certainly die despite how badly you may want to try to alter the question and circumstances to suit your position.  I didn't think I needed to so clearly spell it out for you but apparently I gave you a little too much credit.

I could rephrase to help you better understand it it, but you're just going to try dancing around it again in some really blatant and hackneyed attempt to drag me into some pseudo-intellectual argument so you can see how you measure up to me. 

It's the same shit you tried in my guild thread at the bottom of page 5 and on page 6.  It was just as transparent and boring then.

http://forum.meleegaming.com/faction-halls/groovy-ghoulies-%27i%27m-as-serious-as-cancer-when-i-say-rhythm-is-a-dancer-%27/60/

Remember, when you came into our (ghoulies) guild topic and tried to pick a fight with me, then blatantly admitted as much under the guise of simply trolling for some entertainment.

So I guess I just hung you with your  own argument and showed you to be a complete hypocrite. 

I guess we know where you measure up now, so why don't you spare me your petty bullshit and go try playing with someone else.


Oh, and by the way, I'm not sure if you're an admin or whatever, but I do know somebody with a formal title higher than that of a regular player probably shouldn't be representing themselves that way.

Don't bother trying to damage control or twisting my words around to stay in this "game" as you might consider it.  Frankly, I don't consider your mock arguments anything other than what they are; just a attempt to keep yourself busy and entertained by wasting the time of someone else that you consider a worthy foe.
Believe me, the feeling isn't mutual.

Now I'm going to go watch king of the hill while you attempt to pick up the pieces here.

I'll try to get back on later so I can address what Canary said.  Though I might wait till tomorrow since I do have work in the morning.
Stay tuned.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on September 14, 2012, 06:26:12 am
Spook it seems that your situation is indefensible and so you are trying to relate it to something completely different that is defensible and make the argument about that instead of the matter at hand. What kind of brain surgeon you would have do your surgery for you has nothing to do with this (and still if you look deeper into this all your saying is that you being a good leader in part due to your behavior makes it ok for you to break the rules and behave this way, and it doesn't). Yet again it reminds me of one of my favorite south park clips of all time, which parodies johnny cockrans use of a red herring to make the OJ Simpson trial (which was indefensible) about race and civil rights in order to win it.

 

Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 14, 2012, 07:42:05 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 14, 2012, 06:07:54 am
Oh, and by the way, I'm not sure if you're an admin or whatever, but I do know somebody with a formal title higher than that of a regular player probably shouldn't be representing themselves that way.
What in the world are you referencing here about "formal title?"  :| :? :?:
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Vibe on September 14, 2012, 07:47:33 am
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on September 14, 2012, 07:42:05 am
What in the world are you referencing here about "formal title?"  :| :? :?:

He probably means your King title, melord.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 14, 2012, 07:58:33 am
Quote from: Vibe on September 14, 2012, 07:47:33 am
He probably means your King title, melord.

Then seeing as he is but a Baron, he should acknowledge that his exile is non-negotiable.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Muki on September 14, 2012, 08:30:30 am
This thread seems to attract alot of famous/infamous posters.

Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Uumdi on September 14, 2012, 09:34:38 am
GG spookfans

Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 14, 2012, 06:12:09 pm
1/5 for the long post with lots of words.

TL, DR (skimmed).

I'm in teamspeak when I play, but I still try to organize the pubbies as best I can.

I think we just need a more lenient team kill policy.  Make it like Russian WWII commander tactics.  Do this or I will kill you.  Stick with the team or I'm going to skewer you with my lance.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2012, 08:27:24 pm
-5/5 for making me have to read all that self-absorbed garbage.

LOCK HIM UP AND MELT THE KEY WITH SULFURIC ACID.

Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on September 14, 2012, 10:18:22 pm
Seriously though, unban him, if him calling you a bundle of sticks 100(0000) times is really that offensive to you then mute him...
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Matey on September 14, 2012, 11:19:36 pm
maybe if they can make it so spook is muted by default, and then if you actually want to hear his shit you would have to unmute him, and a warning would pop up saying "are you SURE you want to be called a bundle of sticks repeatedly?" and then if you are sure you hit yes and then you can enjoy having spook call you a bundle of sticks. maybe have it auto mute him again after every map and so every map you have to decide if you want to subject yourself to his bullshit.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on September 14, 2012, 11:53:45 pm
The mod needs creative solutions like this to none issues like spook.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Arathian on September 15, 2012, 12:45:55 am
....well, I guess you know my position on censoring speech when there is an ignore person on forum and mute in-game functionality, so I won't even comment on that.

I WILL however comment on this: how the hell do people manage to get offended in the game? The most time I have been butthurt in the game was roughly 10 seconds. Even with the worst person...you simply mute him. How hard can this concept be?

*sigh* why can't we have nice things?

edit: also, yeah, unban him. Maybe mute him in-game or something at worst if you are soooooooo offended by his "hate speech".
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Greziz on September 15, 2012, 12:46:09 am
All I can say is I had hoped spooks replies to his haters would have been even vaguely as interesting as his original post but they are all the same legalese bullshit statement repeated over and over about him eating trolls shutting trolls and overall derailing arguments into more legalese bundle of sticks shit. Spook can't you even defend yourself in even a 10th of an entertaining way as your original post?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: MrShine on September 15, 2012, 12:53:47 am
Spook you say "let me boil things down" a lot.

Generally when you boil something down you simplify things, not make even longer globs of text.

Allow me to boil things down for you.

- A majority of replies in this thread have been negative towards you, as opposed to a handful of those in favor of you, most of whom seem to be doing it out of trolly principle.

- Every post you make about freedom and 'eating trolls' and insane babble only digs yourself deeper

- You still haven't been able to string together more than a sentence or two without being insulting or condescending or accusatory

- You seem to have ignored the recent post from Canary that utterly destroyed any semblance of defense you might have had.

Enjoy the cRPG afterlife
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: OssumPawesome on September 15, 2012, 03:33:27 am
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- A majority of replies in this thread have been negative towards you, as opposed to a handful of those in favor of you, most of whom seem to be doing it out of trolly principle.
I don't think this is true.  I, personally, just think spook is funny and cool to play with.  I also think his ban is based on rather weak grounds.  I'd say the majority of supporters believe one or both of these things.

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- Every post you make about freedom and 'eating trolls' and insane babble only digs yourself deeper
This is unfortunately true - spook you made some good points in your op which focused on the nature of your ban and whether one is responsible for those they offend with in-game chat, but with every post you're seeming to move away from this reasonable ground into less feasible (although hilarious) arguments.

Trolling aside - I think if spook was let back in game 2 things will happen.
1. Yeah, he'll probably do some trolly shit again that makes some work for admins (I think this is the principle reason admins are fed up with him)
2. I guarantee at least another 2 incidents of note which will be at least a little funny, and will be enjoyable for the community to discuss.  Regardless of how you feel about spook, I think just about everyone in the community has had some discussion about him on the in-game chat or on external chat clients.  Almost always there is some enjoyment to be had here even if its along the lines of "oh that spook guy is fuckin crazy - Does he ever stop trolling? omglol"

Bring spook back, please.  For the lols, man.  For the lols.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spanish on September 15, 2012, 07:57:01 am
Quote from: Matey on September 14, 2012, 11:19:36 pm
maybe if they can make it so spook is muted by default, and then if you actually want to hear his shit you would have to unmute him, and a warning would pop up saying "are you SURE you want to be called a bundle of sticks repeatedly?" and then if you are sure you hit yes and then you can enjoy having spook call you a bundle of sticks. maybe have it auto mute him again after every map and so every map you have to decide if you want to subject yourself to his bullshit.

We should definitely get this to chadz right away, this right hurr needs to be in suggestions corner
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 15, 2012, 10:23:58 am
Quote from: Uumdi on September 14, 2012, 09:34:38 am
GG spoopfans


fixed

gg
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on September 15, 2012, 05:34:08 pm
Quote from: OssumPawesome on September 15, 2012, 03:33:27 am
I don't think this is true.  I, personally, just think spook is funny and cool to play with.  I also think his ban is based on rather weak grounds.  I'd say the majority of supporters believe one or both of these things.

23/31 vote where thumbs down, 8/31 where thumbs up. Fractions. Spooks fans are just a loud vocal minority as 5/8 of you at least have commented in this thread while relatively few of the ones who thumbs downed him have. This aside from him probably having been vote kicked more than anyone in crpg history, i don't thin most players like him or his behavior, and the votes suggest his ban is justified in the eyes of the community.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Boss on September 15, 2012, 06:46:53 pm
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Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Blackzilla on September 15, 2012, 07:48:23 pm
Where is the poll?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: OssumPawesome on September 15, 2012, 08:14:01 pm
Quote from: Lemmy_Winks on September 15, 2012, 05:34:08 pm
23/31 vote where thumbs down, 8/31 where thumbs up. Fractions. Spooks fans are just a loud vocal minority as 5/8 of you at least have commented in this thread while relatively few of the ones who thumbs downed him have. This aside from him probably having been vote kicked more than anyone in crpg history, i don't thin most players like him or his behavior, and the votes suggest his ban is justified in the eyes of the community.

Maybe you misread my post - but I was talking about spook supporters and how I don't believe they are doing it just to troll.  I never said spook had more supporters than critics.  However, I feel there are many crpg players who are disliked by many and liked by few.  Is this a reason to exile them from the game?  I don't think so.

And spook getting kicked all the time is just what I'm talking about - It's hilarious.  Can you honestly say that you didn't have at least a little enjoyment out of the process where spook joins, does some trolly shit, and the community lolkicks him?  Spook's great for laughs - its just his own kind of laughs.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on September 15, 2012, 08:53:57 pm
Quote from: OssumPawesome on September 15, 2012, 08:14:01 pm
Is this a reason to exile them from the game?  I don't think so.

And spook getting kicked all the time is just what I'm talking about - It's hilarious.  Can you honestly say that you didn't have at least a little enjoyment out of the process where spook joins, does some trolly shit, and the community lolkicks him?  Spook's great for laughs - its just his own kind of laughs.

Nope, but breaking the rules repeatably for years is, so it happened. Most people dont enjoy having someone in the server that is so annoying and breaks the rules so much that the people in the server actually have to take it upon themselves to kick them for it, not to mention he just comes back.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Sarpton on September 16, 2012, 01:46:38 am
Hey if you don't ban him at least allow us to kick him when ever he's being a dick.  Then he can still play and we the community can decide when enough is enough.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: SMEGMAR on September 16, 2012, 02:52:14 am
"Depeche mode, Erasure, Queen, Soft cell"
Stay banned.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Amatsuka on September 16, 2012, 08:41:03 pm
Quote from: necron232 on September 16, 2012, 01:46:38 am
Hey if you don't ban him at least allow us to kick him when ever he's being a dick.  Then he can still play and we the community can decide when enough is enough.

Vote mute.  Vote kick and vote ban just gets abused to hell and back because of immature players.  See replies in this thread.  Essentially Spook was trying to have a good time and got carried away.  It's easy to do in such a hostile environment really.  Especially one where everyone thinks they're somehow better than you.

Clans are notoriously bad about this because one member will get into a disagreement with someone (right or wrong) and then the rest of them will pile on to show support.  If you don't have a handful of people to help rig the voting system or help keep your morale afloat, you need to toughen up.  Spook is tough because he has to be.  You're the bullies.

I  think that if people complained less and tried to have fun more, we'd all be enjoying ourselves.  Instead we're fussing over minor rule infractions like those jerks who hit 'm' every time they have the opportunity to.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: MrShine on September 16, 2012, 09:14:22 pm
Quote from: Amatsuka on September 16, 2012, 08:41:03 pm
Vote mute.  Vote kick and vote ban just gets abused to hell and back because of immature players.  See replies in this thread.  Essentially Spook was trying to have a good time and got carried away.  It's easy to do in such a hostile environment really.  Especially one where everyone thinks they're somehow better than you.

If someone does something once, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.
If someone does something twice, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.
If someone does something three times, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.
If someone does something four times, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.
If someone does something five times, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.

Spook pretty much deserved to be muted ever day he's ever played the game if you wanted to get technical about it.  There comes a point where vote mute just doesn't cut it, and IMO that was months ago.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Amatsuka on September 16, 2012, 10:23:58 pm
Quote from: MrShine on September 16, 2012, 09:14:22 pm
If someone does something once, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.
If someone does something twice, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.
If someone does something three times, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.
If someone does something four times, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.
If someone does something five times, yes, vote mute seems appropriate.

Spook pretty much deserved to be muted ever day he's ever played the game if you wanted to get technical about it.  There comes a point where vote mute just doesn't cut it, and IMO that was months ago.

What you're pursuing isn't a solution to a problem.  If the mute was sufficient once, it will always be sufficient.  You seek to punish the individual causing the problem in hopes that it will not continue to be a problem in the future.  That's the difference between our approaches.  I think mine is more direct and addresses the concern.  Yours requires oversight and tries to change behavior through shame and public humiliation.  Besides, how often has punishing an individual really resulted in a significant change in behavior?

Bans and kicks should be reserved for actual disruptions of play.  Mutes should address chat concerns since they don't actually hinder play beyond, perhaps, the ability to communicate with your team.  I've rarely, if ever, seen instances of people trying to coordinate a team in chat instead of TS and the few times I have, I've never seen chat abuse interfere with that.  So really, it's not an issue.

If language is an issue, a word filter ought to be devised.  If a wordfilter is technically implausible due to the game design, the mod creators ought to revise their stance on what language is appropriate as the original game developers did not feel it was necessary to include such provisions and the intended audience should be mature enough to deal with it.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on September 16, 2012, 11:03:30 pm
Quote from: Amatsuka on September 16, 2012, 10:23:58 pm
What you're pursuing isn't a solution to a problem.  If the mute was sufficient once, it will always be sufficient.  You seek to punish the individual causing the problem in hopes that it will not continue to be a problem in the future.  That's the difference between our approaches.  I think mine is more direct and addresses the concern.  Yours requires oversight and tries to change behavior through shame and public humiliation.  Besides, how often has punishing an individual really resulted in a significant change in behavior?

Bans and kicks should be reserved for actual disruptions of play.  Mutes should address chat concerns since they don't actually hinder play beyond, perhaps, the ability to communicate with your team.  I've rarely, if ever, seen instances of people trying to coordinate a team in chat instead of TS and the few times I have, I've never seen chat abuse interfere with that.  So really, it's not an issue.

If language is an issue, a word filter ought to be devised.  If a wordfilter is technically implausible due to the game design, the mod creators ought to revise their stance on what language is appropriate as the original game developers did not feel it was necessary to include such provisions and the intended audience should be mature enough to deal with it.

So your solution is to continue to do the same thing they have been doing for years that hasn't worked at all? (Amatsuka you should run for president.). If we ban him he will no longer be capable of breaking the rules, because he wont be around. Sounds like problem solved to me. He had the opportunity to change, either you do and you stay, or you don't and your gone, he chose the later.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Amatsuka on September 16, 2012, 11:07:41 pm
Quote from: Lemmy_Winks on September 16, 2012, 11:03:30 pm
So your solution is to continue to do the same thing they have been doing for years that hasn't worked at all? (Amatsuka you should run for president.). If we ban him he will no longer be capable of breaking the rules, because he wont be around. Sounds like problem solved to me. He had the opportunity to change, either you do and you stay, or you don't and your gone, he chose the later.

What I'm trying to explain and what should be evident, at least for the duration of the mute, is that the problem was solved.  It's just a reoccurring problem.  Spook is a good, team oriented player with few faults aside from his tendency to occasionally take it overboard.  Banning him for more than a day or two to cool down seems unjust and vengeful.

Chat has little, if any, bearing on the actual game.

Personally I've never been muted (except that one time everyone logged in was) and I'm not sure what it takes to be muted.  It seems to be very sporadic and subjective in general.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: MrShine on September 16, 2012, 11:33:59 pm
Quote from: Amatsuka on September 16, 2012, 10:23:58 pm
What you're pursuing isn't a solution to a problem.  If the mute was sufficient once, it will always be sufficient.  You seek to punish the individual causing the problem in hopes that it will not continue to be a problem in the future.  That's the difference between our approaches. 
Well your approach seems to be contrary to what admins do in general.  People that get banned repeatedly for doing the same thing begin to face higher punishments, this is documented in countless ban threads.  If someone TKs once and gets caught they might face 24 hours or maybe just a warning.  If someone TKs again and again, their ban goes up (as it should).

I don't see why it should be any different for someone who is constantly and aggressively abusive in chat.  It should take longer to get to the stage we're in, but Spook has crossed that line.

Admins are given permission to use their common sense for extreme cases.  Spook is an extreme case.

/me drops the mic and walks off the stage
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Carthage on September 17, 2012, 01:38:26 am
Let the poor sod keeping playing, just make sure he's muted by default
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: sexthriller on September 17, 2012, 06:52:47 am
How can you unban that which is already dead?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Miracle on September 17, 2012, 08:33:24 am
Quote from: DoD_Blackzilla on September 15, 2012, 07:48:23 pm
Where is the poll?
This
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 17, 2012, 09:25:08 am
By an overwhelming majority the community seems to want to keep him banned, judging from the responses in this thread and the staggering amount of negative votes.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: IR_Kuoin on September 17, 2012, 11:03:11 am
What have he done wrong?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Meow on September 17, 2012, 05:30:39 pm
Quote from: DoD_Blackzilla on September 15, 2012, 07:48:23 pm
Where is the poll?

Added.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 17, 2012, 06:13:51 pm
Oh my... Them Voting Results.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: IR_Kuoin on September 17, 2012, 06:34:34 pm
Wait, so I'm the only person who rated a 5?

You must admit, that long post deserve better than a 1.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Matey on September 17, 2012, 06:40:12 pm
Quote from: IR_Kuoin on September 17, 2012, 06:34:34 pm
Wait, so I'm the only person who rated a 5?

You must admit, that long post deserve better than a 1.

if i wrote a 10 page essay entirely dedicated to shit talking you, would you give me better than a 1? even if it was just blatantly bad?
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: IR_Kuoin on September 17, 2012, 07:00:36 pm
Quote from: Matey on September 17, 2012, 06:40:12 pm
if i wrote a 10 page essay entirely dedicated to shit talking you, would you give me better than a 1? even if it was just blatantly bad?

Yes
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Matey on September 17, 2012, 07:21:32 pm
i wish i had professors like you. id just write them a bunch of inane bullshit and walk away with a 100%
"A for effort!"
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Kaoklai on September 17, 2012, 07:30:08 pm
I thought Matey and Shine were cool.  Turns out they are just a couple of gotten-to crybabies. 

As far as unban essays for a shit mod of an indie Turkish game that nobody has ever heard of go, this is actually probably the best one ever written.  You might disagree with the content or dislike the author, but the prose here is simply of a higher quality than the vast majority.  5/5

GG spookfans, Kaoklai out
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 17, 2012, 08:22:52 pm
Don't go out of your way to be a griefing asshole and you won't get banned from video games.  Seems like common sense to me, and something that 99% of us will never have to worry about. 

Maybe he should get an Xbox and just talk shit to 12 year olds in CoD, seems like it would be more up his alley.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 17, 2012, 08:23:55 pm
Quote from: Kaoklai on September 17, 2012, 07:30:08 pm
I thought Matey and Shine were cool.  Turns out they are just a couple of gotten-to crybabies. 

As far as unban essays for a shit mod of an indie Turkish game that nobody has ever heard of go, this is actually probably the best one ever written.  You might disagree with the content or dislike the author, but the prose here is simply of a higher quality than the vast majority.  5/5

GG spookfans, Kaoklai out

He missed his assigned essay objective by the wingspan of a Boeing airbus.

I would say the essay itself is well penned if it wasn't so heavily biased. So I won't.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: POOPHAMMER on September 17, 2012, 08:38:49 pm
You guys need to grow some thicker skin

Its the fucking internet for crying out loud

5/5 free spook
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Uumdi on September 17, 2012, 09:33:10 pm
61% D-

(click to show/hide)


aw shucks
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Kaoklai on September 17, 2012, 09:37:34 pm
Quote from: Dexxtaa on September 17, 2012, 08:23:55 pm
I would say the essay itself is well penned if it wasn't so heavily biased. So I won't.

Ah, just the kind of facile "witticism" I've come to expect from the feeble brained admin cadres. 

1/5, your self-indulgent, semi-masturbatory posting style is a darker streak of shit than most on this used bogroll of a forum. 
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Matey on September 17, 2012, 09:50:24 pm
Thank you Uumdi. Thank you.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Lord Lurk on September 17, 2012, 10:16:00 pm
Best thread of the entire year, hands down. Also, that teacher is a dick, I woulda given that a C- at the least.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Thax on September 17, 2012, 10:49:26 pm
You can mute anyone who annoys you in chat...why don't people excersize that option instead of tattling and whining about the way some stranger types? Unban this man and stop being so fascist about speech. Just because you think you hold the popular opinion doesn't give you justification to be intolerant. Tolerance implies acceptance for all and more specifically for people with whom you disagree.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 17, 2012, 11:09:22 pm
You can mute an individual player in game?  Not that anyone would ever be able to say anything in game to piss me off, but still would be nice for people to know about. 

Actually I take that back, if Thax typed aSoFaI spoiler past the middle of the 2nd book I'd be pissed off :P
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: MrShine on September 18, 2012, 03:39:40 am
Quote from: Kaoklai on September 17, 2012, 07:30:08 pm
I thought Matey and Shine were cool.  Turns out they are just a couple of gotten-to crybabies. 

Are you breaking up with me Kaoklai?  I thought we had something :(

Nah Spook's never done anything to me directly, but act or no act I'm not a fan of assholes.  He's pushed the line too long and too often and I think the mod will be better without him.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Matey on September 18, 2012, 04:12:54 am
Quote from: MrShine on September 18, 2012, 03:39:40 am
Are you breaking up with me Kaoklai?  I thought we had something :(

Nah Spook's never done anything to me directly, but act or no act I'm not a fan of assholes.  He's pushed the line too long and too often and I think the mod will be better without him.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: LIMB on September 18, 2012, 09:08:24 am
Free Spook
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Kaoklai on September 19, 2012, 04:32:29 am
I DIDN'T MEAN IT.

free spook
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 04:39:50 am
Get ready.

I'm about to rip the lid off this son of a bitch.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 19, 2012, 04:56:03 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 04:39:50 am
Get ready.

I'm about to rip the lid off this son of a bitch.

K

...
.....
.......

Ready.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Goretooth on September 19, 2012, 07:41:41 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 04:39:50 am
Get ready.

I'm about to rip the lid off this son of a bitch.
Don't die in the process.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
I would have posted sooner, but honestly I get a little disgusted by the politics of the forum.  Especially when I have to deal with the lord of the flies-esque adminship who would rather serve their own egos instead of actually altering their clearly flawed policy that leads to blatant double standards and abuse.

In response to Canary's reply which is available here in its entirety. 
http://forum.meleegaming.com/unban-essays/the-greatest-unban-essay-ever-written-%28expression-freedom-maturity-honesty%29/msg604090/#msg604090

1-A. I asked you to look at the logs (even gave you a specific time frame on when it happened) in the ban request thread involving a guy who was flagrantly TK'ing me, not to scour nearly a weeks worth of logs, completely unrelated to the actual case, for every shred of evidence you could possibly use against me.  You know that.  So don't try to act otherwise.  I’m not impressed.

1-B. Yet you still chose to do so; through the better part of  a week's worth of logs, days apart from the actual incident.
That's not a fluke.  That is not a coincidence.  Somebody apparently wanted to go through those logs pretty badly.  You can't really say you don't want to do something when you do it anyway, in your spare time (as you put it), without any reasonable explanation.
Saying "we looked through the better part of a week's logs because you asked us to check up on this particular incident doesn't hold up to objective scrutiny.  Saying one thing and doing another doesn't exactly give you a whole lot of credibility on this issue.

2. Implying that the community would be allowed to harass me to their hearts content while leaving me unable to respond in kind is a blatant double standard.  The kinds of which I have been pointing out in the admins own behavior for a while now.

3.  This is a strawman argument.  You are directly accusing me of "willfully" and intentionally trying to alienate entire servers.  This is entirely false.
Furthermore, the server has gray areas because you haven't boiled things down to the point where they would eliminate behaviors of obvious double-standards.  This mod has been around 3+ years.  It isn't really an "ongoing process" if no work is actually being done on it.  Sadly, it takes a situation like this to make you realize/admit these gray areas lead to nothing but double-standards in rulings and abuse at the discretion of the personal feelings of the moderator staff.  That is the nature of corruption at the very core of its concept.

I'm glad you're at least semi-acknowledging this in your post. 
We’ve gone from:
 http://forum.meleegaming.com/na-%28official%29/unban-spookpalace-38515/msg595222/#msg595222
"The server guidelines for behavior contain several grey areas that require human judgment and common sense. We won't be making them black and white and robo-responses simply because Spook has made a spectacle of himself."
To:
 Canary:  “The rules have gray areas because we're still discovering and establishing the boundaries for them, it is an ongoing process. You, actually, are helping.”

Not sure if you actually legitimately mean what you’re saying here.  Not sure if you're actually going to do anything about it or just leave things as they are to make things more convenient for yourselves.  But it is an improvement over what another admin previously said (to give credit where it is possibly due).

However, two months from now, if we see nothing has been done to narrow down the rules despite this whole “spectacle,” we will ABSOLUTELY know if you are flat-out lying to everyone right now or not.

4. Here’s the part of Canary’s post that gets really interesting. 
Canary, here, literally uses the arguments of people who have been put up on the ban request forum, by me personally, for intentionally TW/TK’ing me after throwing a tantrum.  These same people were guilty of the same infraction of rules (trash talking) that they accused me of and that you’re basing the meat of your argument off of.   The difference is that I didn’t throw a tantrum and TK/TW anybody.

Canary, if you’re going to use the excuses (not even actual arguments) of guilty hypocrites, who are about to be hanged in their own ban threads for intentional tk’ing, I’d say your position and argument is in some serious fucking trouble.
Also, it is kind of convenient that you willfully chose not to actually link where the arguments were coming from, like you did initially, so people couldn’t put two and two together. 
5. You can believe in expression of freedom and still care about someone’s feeling.  Believing in the freedom to express yourself doesn’t mean you are an outright sociopath if that is what you’re attempting to imply.

6. This section is great because it is one fallacy followed by another (the second in the form of another strawman argument).  First off, trash talk doesn’t give you the right to TK somebody.  Repeated trash talk doesn’t give you the right to TK somebody.  Do I ever TK anyone intentionally for trash talking me?  No.  Do I ever TK anyone intentionally for repeatedly trash talking me? No; hence, the painfully obvious logical fallacy here.
As for the strawman argument? 
“You are a negative impact on this community and you've made it clear that you intend to continue to be so.”
I am also a positive impact on this community.  However, I’m pretty sure I made it abundantly clear that I want the rules to be reformed to eliminate subjective rulebook abuse by the admins and to keep them from being protected by their obvious mistakes and practices of double standards.  I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned that I would be happy to turn in any trash talkers if you made it completely illegal.  I am eager to form a solution.  That doesn’t translate to what you’re trying to insinuate.  The impression that I’m getting is that you don’t want to tackle this subject.  If that is the case, why are you an admin?  Do you not want to make the rules fairer for EVERYONE?  Do you not want to eliminate possible abuse by your fellow admins and yourself?  Do you not want to eliminate the corruption that goes on?
What is really curious in this segment is that you said I “push the limits” and not “break the limits.”  That appears to me to be a Freudian slip.  Seems to me it runs contrary to everything you’re trying to specifically state and prove; not exactly a great way to build an argument.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html

7. This last final list is so laughably desperate I can’t even believe you’re trying it.  However, if you want me to specifically address each one of these bullet points, it’s just going to continue to prove how laughably absurd your entire argument has become when actually challenged.

Hell, let’s give an example on the first one just for fun:


The ENTIRE point of CRPG is to fight (either to kill or to claim an objective).  Did you honestly even think before putting this list together?  Honestly?  You are definitely not helping your case with this type of nonsense.
Canary, I’m not intentionally trying to embarrass you here, but if this is the best you’re going to scrape together against me, you really have nobody to blame but yourself. 
I can tell your heart isn’t in this argument.  Frankly, I think everybody knows I’ve basically wrapped up the win for philosophical debate here (especially if this is the best initial response you can bring against me).  It just really depends on if the admins will listen to reason or just abuse their positions of power to get their way and re-secure their own pride.  They’d be proving my entire point by doing so.

We all know the unban essay forum is nothing more than a venue to publically humiliate someone.  You’d be perfectly happy eating a lie from me that you know is a lie just so you could feel a little bit bigger about yourselves; various individuals in the community included. 
You aren’t dealing with a kid here.  I have your job in the real world.  I’m highly trained for it.  I have years of experience in it.   Frankly, I could do your job better than you.  Put me to the test if you don’t believe me.
I’m not going to write some bullshit essay degrading myself, my family, where I come from, my values, etc.. like I’ve seen others do just so you can feel a little bit bigger and just so the community can feel like they are getting their satisfaction.  If you have a hole in your self esteem, I suggest you go exercise and lift weights.  If you have a grudge and want to have it out with me, I suggest you save it for playing against me in the game.   Don’t abuse your position.  Don’t abuse the system.  If you want to solve this issue, I’d be more than happy to work with you, but I’m not going to shit on myself to make you feel better about whom you are.
Respect has to be earned, and you certainly aren’t earning it with anybody who can think for themselves and can see what you mods are doing; which dozens of people here can already.

If you want use the poll method of deciding what essay is good or not, we should use that method for deciding who stays as admin.  Only we set the standard a little higher considering that with their power, they should be held to a higher standard.  Then we make the poll system completely open to everyone so we can all see who votes.  Then we filter the voting system so that no admin can vote for another admin and that no clan member can vote for another clan member or for someone in an allied clan.  We remove the penchant for corruption that is already there. 
If we played by those rules, how many of you admins would be thrown out on your ass? Definitely a vast number of you.
So if you want to live by the sword of lynchmob polling, you better be prepared and willing to die by it.  However, I think that is the last thing the current admins genuinely want.  You do not want to be held accountable, but you want to be freely entitled to hold everyone else accountable by subjective criteria you write yourselves.  That’s called hypocrisy and corruption.  I used to live in Illinois, and we know all about that game. 

Finally, the cherry on top of this post.

I present everyone in the community and in this topic with yet another example of the exercise in routine double standards; only this time it was performed even with a clear black and white rule that allowed for no subjectivity.
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Some petty, small-minded admin rewarded me last week with a 50% warning because I broke the double-posting rules in my own unban thread. 
Notice the cutesy little immature message left to me that embodies the “well… so there!” attitude that runs amok when you let non-trained children enter a position of power usually because their other friends invite them aboard.  Now notice that the first two replies in this topic, we’re currently in, broke literally the same rule and has no warning level.  There were multiple people in this thread who broke that same black and white rule, yet I was the only one punished by it. 

So I just want to thank that particular admin, who probably doesn’t have the balls to step forward and defend himself, for proving me exactly right yet again. 
I literally could not have asked for a better example handed to me. 
Thank you.

My final question in this reply to admins is this:

 If you can’t even avoid blatant double standards and abuse, with clearly-written black and white rules such as brought up above, why should the community allow you vaguer, more subjective rules to employ your abuse with?  Why should we give you the leverage and insurance to be as corrupt as you want to be when clearly you haven’t even gotten a handle on the most simplistic of rules that you created?

If there’s a problem with CRPG, it doesn’t lie within the community.  I think I just proved that pretty clearly.

“Spook, out.”

*Throws the mic into the air and turns his back as it explodes behind him ; showering the night air with the sparkling image of an American Bald-Eagle giving the middle finger to Vladimir Putin*

Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 19, 2012, 08:08:29 am
/me dies of laughter after discovering that the "reported post" went through

Now, since you can no longer see other people's warning levels, how exactly can you make the claim "Only I was punished for it?" Blatant break of logic right there... Nevermind the fact that you did like five posts in a row.

I should also point out that in this thread, the only time other people "broke the rule" was in the first page, and even that was only due to topics being merged, so they never really did double-post. Regardless, nice "leap" with "I was the only one punished" given there is no way you can possibly know that. So there is your explanation of why they were not slammed with a warning, because they only posted once and only due to your two topics being merged did their posts happen to be right after each other. For someone who is so self-proclaimed intelligent, I'm surprised that you could not have grasped such a simple concept as noticing your two posts being merged, or even forget such a thing. Still, you have absolutely no way of telling who wa spunished and who was not, adorable in your leaps and posturing as always, spook  :lol:

/me waves away the answer that is almost a given to be as flimsy and full of air as the rest

I don't even have the energy to discuss the countless other flaws in your "obvious-troll-is-obvious" post, still dying of laughter that my report went through. TIL that even when blatently breaking rules, it is always someone else's fault  :lol:

Thank you spook for being so damned amusing as always in your stubborn cling to "being right at all costs and this is totally serious and not a troll."
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Miracle on September 19, 2012, 08:49:59 am
Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
; showering the night air with the sparkling image of an American Bald-Eagle giving the middle finger to Vladimir Putin*
I have changed my mind.  Unban this patriot!
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Canary on September 19, 2012, 12:10:50 pm
Long, stupid post ahead.
Beware formatting.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
1-A. I asked you to look at the logs (even gave you a specific time frame on when it happened) in the ban request thread involving a guy who was flagrantly TK'ing me, not to scour nearly a weeks worth of logs, completely unrelated to the actual case, for every shred of evidence you could possibly use against me.  You know that.  So don't try to act otherwise.  I’m not impressed.

Slander, and untrue at that.

After multiple people mentioned their problems with you and asked to have it looked into, I decided I'd look at the logs of this day in question to get a better picture of just what exactly happened. It was through human error that I started looking through logs on the siege server, instead of battle, where the exchange/TK/report came from. This is not scouring through weeks of logs, this is literally one day of what you said on siege, condensed from 1135 lines I searched through because I was looking for one particular incident which I'd inevitably never find because of my mistake. So don't act so smug, because you don't know that.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
1-B. Yet you still chose to do so; through the better part of  a week's worth of logs, days apart from the actual incident.
That's not a fluke.  That is not a coincidence.  Somebody apparently wanted to go through those logs pretty badly.  You can't really say you don't want to do something when you do it anyway, in your spare time (as you put it), without any reasonable explanation.
Saying "we looked through the better part of a week's logs because you asked us to check up on this particular incident doesn't hold up to objective scrutiny.  Saying one thing and doing another doesn't exactly give you a whole lot of credibility on this issue.


One goddamn day. It was even on the same day as the other incident, just the wrong server. You're half right, though, you asking to check the logs for the incident isn't entirely why I did it. It was because of the slew of requests to look into your behavior.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
2. Implying that the community would be allowed to harass me to their hearts content while leaving me unable to respond in kind is a blatant double standard.  The kinds of which I have been pointing out in the admins own behavior for a while now.

Implying that you'd react to their trashtalking with your own rulebreaking because you can't control yourself and have to respond in some way to any negative statements people make towards you. You presented a theoretical situation and I said that it's what's already been going on but with the parties switched. The difference is that not everyone has a problem adhering to the rules when warned about them, so, yes, "holding your record above your head".

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
3.  This is a strawman argument.  You are directly accusing me of "willfully" and intentionally trying to alienate entire servers.  This is entirely false.

And you're directly accusing us of only enforcing certain rules against you, which is also entirely false. I mean, hey, let's agree to disagree. I don't know if you meant to make as many people uncomfortable and alienated as you did, but I guess you still did it. We don't mean to let people abusing chat continue to get away with it unabated, but we can't be everywhere at once and your case was mentioned more than once by people who had a problem. Most of the time these things go unreported, and we may not even know they happened.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
Furthermore, the server has gray areas because you haven't boiled things down to the point where they would eliminate behaviors of obvious double-standards.  This mod has been around 3+ years.  It isn't really an "ongoing process" if no work is actually being done on it.  Sadly, it takes a situation like this to make you realize/admit these gray areas lead to nothing but double-standards in rulings and abuse at the discretion of the personal feelings of the moderator staff.  That is the nature of corruption at the very core of its concept.

I'm glad you're at least semi-acknowledging this in your post. 
We’ve gone from:
 http://forum.meleegaming.com/na-%28official%29/unban-spookpalace-38515/msg595222/#msg595222
"The server guidelines for behavior contain several grey areas that require human judgment and common sense. We won't be making them black and white and robo-responses simply because Spook has made a spectacle of himself."
To:
 Canary:  “The rules have gray areas because we're still discovering and establishing the boundaries for them, it is an ongoing process. You, actually, are helping.”

Not sure if you actually legitimately mean what you’re saying here.  Not sure if you're actually going to do anything about it or just leave things as they are to make things more convenient for yourselves.  But it is an improvement over what another admin previously said (to give credit where it is possibly due).

However, two months from now, if we see nothing has been done to narrow down the rules despite this whole “spectacle,” we will ABSOLUTELY know if you are flat-out lying to everyone right now or not.

I guess I was lying, under your criteria. What I meant was our 'subjective double-standard guidelines'. Simple game admins, particularly we NA admins, have literally no sway over the rules. We're only in charge of upholding them. By saying we're discovering and establishing the boundaries I meant that because there are so few hard and fast rules we've got to determine for ourselves how to enforce them. That you'd blame this problem on me or another specific admin is, what's that word you keep using? Strawman.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
4. Here’s the part of Canary’s post that gets really interesting. 
Canary, here, literally uses the arguments of people who have been put up on the ban request forum, by me personally, for intentionally TW/TK’ing me after throwing a tantrum.  These same people were guilty of the same infraction of rules (trash talking) that they accused me of and that you’re basing the meat of your argument off of.   The difference is that I didn’t throw a tantrum and TK/TW anybody.

'Cause we look into both sides of a story when they're available. Half or more of the rulebreaking that goes on is prompted by the actions of another player, and oftentimes those actions are also in breach of the rules. I'd rather see both parties punished, and so listen to both sides, than have only one side pay for the mistake.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
Canary, if you’re going to use the excuses (not even actual arguments) of guilty hypocrites, who are about to be hanged in their own ban threads for intentional tk’ing, I’d say your position and argument is in some serious fucking trouble.

You are blaming me for not taking sides. You are saying that I should not look into the entirety of the issue when both people have a problem? And you continue to complain about the double-standards...

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
Also, it is kind of convenient that you willfully chose not to actually link where the arguments were coming from, like you did initially, so people couldn’t put two and two together. 

Huh? The quotes are links.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
5. You can believe in expression of freedom and still care about someone’s feeling.  Believing in the freedom to express yourself doesn’t mean you are an outright sociopath if that is what you’re attempting to imply.

Mincing my words, taking them out of context, and extrapolating what I meant by them. You're kind of proving my point about their feelings when you entirely dismiss the complaints of those "guilty hypocrites" who teamkilled you.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
6. This section is great because it is one fallacy followed by another (the second in the form of another strawman argument).  First off, trash talk doesn’t give you the right to TK somebody.  Repeated trash talk doesn’t give you the right to TK somebody.  Do I ever TK anyone intentionally for trash talking me?  No.  Do I ever TK anyone intentionally for repeatedly trash talking me? No; hence, the painfully obvious logical fallacy here.

I'm not trying to justify the actions they'd taken, I'm pointing out the reasons behind them. I'd agree with you if the incidents were more isolated and if you hadn't gone above and beyond the point where you're deserving of punishment. You are the point from which a lot of problems stem. The majority of these people seem to have reported your misuse of game chat as the motivation behind their outbreak. It turns out you're doing something I'd consider a breach of the rules, too, and not on an isolated scale. The troublemaker whose trouble is causing even more trouble gets more punishment for causing it.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
As for the strawman argument? 
“You are a negative impact on this community and you've made it clear that you intend to continue to be so.”
I am also a positive impact on this community.  However, I’m pretty sure I made it abundantly clear that I want the rules to be reformed to eliminate subjective rulebook abuse by the admins and to keep them from being protected by their obvious mistakes and practices of double standards.  I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned that I would be happy to turn in any trash talkers if you made it completely illegal.  I am eager to form a solution.  That doesn’t translate to what you’re trying to insinuate.  The impression that I’m getting is that you don’t want to tackle this subject.  If that is the case, why are you an admin?  Do you not want to make the rules fairer for EVERYONE?  Do you not want to eliminate possible abuse by your fellow admins and yourself?  Do you not want to eliminate the corruption that goes on?
What is really curious in this segment is that you said I “push the limits” and not “break the limits.”  That appears to me to be a Freudian slip.  Seems to me it runs contrary to everything you’re trying to specifically state and prove; not exactly a great way to build an argument.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html

You refused to change your behavior under the current rules simply because they're either being enforced lackadaisically or aren't 100% implicit. You've been warned, you've been muted, you've been banned, and yet you still behaved this way and blame the rules for what went wrong? You blame the admins when they've been making it clear, I should have thought, to you, what is not okay? Is the only message you'd understand a plain-as-day, black-and-white list of rules that specify every single thing that would be a cause for a ban? Because that won't happen. You'll just have to deal with it. There shouldn't have to be a complete rewrite of the code of conduct because one person is having an issue with being punished for not following it.

If anything we should be the ones complaining because of how much time we end up spending on this kind of garbage. I'm not required to explain myself one whit to you, did you know that? I choose to do it. I choose to try and help establish a consistent way to enforce the rules along with the other admins. You got punished for something that even in the "subjective rulebook" is pretty clearly not okay and post paragraph upon paragraph of arguments that are kind of misplaced this late in the game. If we've presented an inconsistent front I can only apologize. If we've not given punishment everywhere it's deserved, I can only say we'll try to do better.

We, as mere admins, can't change the rules. We can only change how we handle them. If we've started enforcing them better, then I guess that's why it has become your problem. Continuing to attack me doesn't make yourself any less guilty.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
7. This last final list is so laughably desperate I can’t even believe you’re trying it.  However, if you want me to specifically address each one of these bullet points, it’s just going to continue to prove how laughably absurd your entire argument has become when actually challenged.

I'm glad you found it funny, because I meant it facetiously...

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
Hell, let’s give an example on the first one just for fun:

  • “Fighting or challenging someone to fight in a public place”

The ENTIRE point of CRPG is to fight (either to kill or to claim an objective).  Did you honestly even think before putting this list together?  Honestly?  You are definitely not helping your case with this type of nonsense.
Canary, I’m not intentionally trying to embarrass you here, but if this is the best you’re going to scrape together against me, you really have nobody to blame but yourself. 
I can tell your heart isn’t in this argument.  Frankly, I think everybody knows I’ve basically wrapped up the win for philosophical debate here (especially if this is the best initial response you can bring against me).  It just really depends on if the admins will listen to reason or just abuse their positions of power to get their way and re-secure their own pride.  They’d be proving my entire point by doing so.

...but I guess you missed that.

If you can't see any further into that analogy, though, then I say it's your heart that isn't in it.

Reason does not equate to repeated attacks, trivial arguing, nitpicking responses and indictments against the system when under scrutiny. Nobody's here to fix things just because you got screwed over by something you did. And then you state bold-faced how you "won a debate" here despite having told multiple untruths in the very same post.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
We all know the unban essay forum is nothing more than a venue to publically humiliate someone.

In effect, true. But there's more to it.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
You’d be perfectly happy eating a lie from me that you know is a lie just so you could feel a little bit bigger about yourselves; various individuals in the community included. 

False. We're here to understand whether or not you understood why you were banned and that you would not continue to break the rules. If it had turned out you'd lied about it and continued to break them, it would result in a permanent ban, and there's nothing aggrandizing about having to keep someone from playing the game.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
You aren’t dealing with a kid here.  I have your job in the real world.  I’m highly trained for it.  I have years of experience in it.   Frankly, I could do your job better than you.  Put me to the test if you don’t believe me.
I’m not going to write some bullshit essay degrading myself, my family, where I come from, my values, etc.. like I’ve seen others do just so you can feel a little bit bigger and just so the community can feel like they are getting their satisfaction.  If you have a hole in your self esteem, I suggest you go exercise and lift weights.  If you have a grudge and want to have it out with me, I suggest you save it for playing against me in the game.   Don’t abuse your position.  Don’t abuse the system.  If you want to solve this issue, I’d be more than happy to work with you, but I’m not going to shit on myself to make you feel better about whom you are.
Respect has to be earned, and you certainly aren’t earning it with anybody who can think for themselves and can see what you mods are doing; which dozens of people here can already.

That's a lot of irrelevant stuff initiated with a "come at me bro". Believe it or not, but there's no grudge here. You just require a lot of attention. We have had trouble trying to deal with you in the past, and that's because you can be so belligerent. I'm not abusing my position by upholding the rules against a repeat offender and looking into requests made in the ban section of the forums. From past experience, you have not proven to be someone we can work with. You've only brought up the option now after having been banned.

As for respect:
19730: 19:39:51 - *DEAD* [SpookPalace] bundle of stickss wont listen

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
If you want use the poll method of deciding what essay is good or not, we should use that method for deciding who stays as admin.  Only we set the standard a little higher considering that with their power, they should be held to a higher standard.  Then we make the poll system completely open to everyone so we can all see who votes.  Then we filter the voting system so that no admin can vote for another admin and that no clan member can vote for another clan member or for someone in an allied clan.  We remove the penchant for corruption that is already there. 
If we played by those rules, how many of you admins would be thrown out on your ass? Definitely a vast number of you.
So if you want to live by the sword of lynchmob polling, you better be prepared and willing to die by it.  However, I think that is the last thing the current admins genuinely want.  You do not want to be held accountable, but you want to be freely entitled to hold everyone else accountable by subjective criteria you write yourselves.  That’s called hypocrisy and corruption.  I used to live in Illinois, and we know all about that game. 

There are certainly a lot of vague allegations coming from you about the corruption and double-standards of the admins. People are free to write about it in the admin feedback part of the forums. A lot of admins even do have self-appointed polls in their threads, but, no, they don't amount to anything. The poll for an unban essay doesn't amount to much, either.

Most of your issues don't seem to stem from us directly, but rather the rules, the way they're written and definitely the way they're interpreted, which you evidently do quite differently than the admin team. A lot of discussions were never had, and so a lot of problems went unchecked, which exacerbated this situation beyond being a matter of words (which is coincidental because of the reason you got banned...!).

I, too, live in Illinois. This, however, is a game of leisure, and the only thing at stake right now is your personal enjoyment. (and, I suppose, that of the people who both cheer for you and deplore you)

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
Finally, the cherry on top of this post.

I present everyone in the community and in this topic with yet another example of the exercise in routine double standards; only this time it was performed even with a clear black and white rule that allowed for no subjectivity.
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Some petty, small-minded admin rewarded me last week with a 50% warning because I broke the double-posting rules in my own unban thread. 
Notice the cutesy little immature message left to me that embodies the “well… so there!” attitude that runs amok when you let non-trained children enter a position of power usually because their other friends invite them aboard.  Now notice that the first two replies in this topic, we’re currently in, broke literally the same rule and has no warning level.  There were multiple people in this thread who broke that same black and white rule, yet I was the only one punished by it. 

So I just want to thank that particular admin, who probably doesn’t have the balls to step forward and defend himself, for proving me exactly right yet again. 
I literally could not have asked for a better example handed to me. 
Thank you.

It was me, of course. Stop acting as though you're the victim of some kind of bitterness or conspiracy. As Tears mentioned, the other posts weren't warned because your two threads (with the same subject, which is also against the forum rules) were merged. I only gave you a 45% warning, not 50%, which is the threshold for a mute, so that you would be allowed to respond sooner, since this was an ongoing thread. You were also quintuple posting.

So, I stepped forward (which I can only assume you were attempting to goad whoever it was into) and you were proven exactly wrong, also again.
You're welcome.

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
My final question in this reply to admins is this:

 If you can’t even avoid blatant double standards and abuse, with clearly-written black and white rules such as brought up above, why should the community allow you vaguer, more subjective rules to employ your abuse with?  Why should we give you the leverage and insurance to be as corrupt as you want to be when clearly you haven’t even gotten a handle on the most simplistic of rules that you created?

Because it's a game, and there's only a problem when someone (read: rulebreakers) create one.

Seriously, though, the people who developed cRPG are the ones who made the rules, stop blaming the admins as a single generic entity. They had something in mind for how people are supposed to conduct themselves on this free mod they host and continue to update. You can continue to contest us and our decisions, but it's a little late to start arguing the rules when they have almost never changed, and not in any major way.

And to answer your question with my own question:
If you really feel like you're the victim of corruption, why do you keep bothering to argue the rules at all? It is evident that you broke them, even under the loose definitions they hold.
Why should we give you the leverage and platform to speak as freely as you want when you are a player who was banned for chat abuse in the first place?

Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
If there’s a problem with CRPG, it doesn’t lie within the community.  I think I just proved that pretty clearly.

You've proved once again that you're here doing this for the audience of said community, sure. Pretty apt that you emote using a microphone.


There, that was dumb.

I'll give a final answer sometime later today.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Meow on September 19, 2012, 05:20:34 pm
Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 08:06:00 am
“Spook, out.”

Nailed it.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: SixThumbs on September 19, 2012, 05:22:20 pm
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Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: oprah_winfrey on September 19, 2012, 05:23:37 pm
Quote from: Spook Island on September 19, 2012, 04:39:50 am
Get ready.

I'm about to rip the lid off this son of a bitch.

Tying all together...
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Bjord on September 19, 2012, 05:30:31 pm
The man is now globally banned on all servers and finally, he has been successfully removed from this community with a swift and fell blow from the banhammer.

Good riddance.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Tibe on September 19, 2012, 05:36:24 pm
Amazing, I acctually took the time to read his essay and few other  posts he made cause I dont really know much of this guy and I have too much time today.

 Pains me to say Bjord is right as hell. Spook is nothing more than an arrogant fool that thinks hes special and a real asset just cause he acts like a high class douchebag, who clearly either deep down really hates society or just pretends it to stand out from the rest of the croud. And im amazed that some of his followers see him as some great leader just cause he uses lots of swearwords and capslock.

And he made a thread about faking his death? Wot? :shock:
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Thax on September 19, 2012, 08:03:45 pm
Slander is a lie spoken about someone that causes damage to his/her reputation.  Libel is the written form of a slander. Both words imply that a lie has been said and therefore referring to them as "untrue" is unnecessary.
Title: Re: The Greatest Unban Essay Ever Written (Expression, Freedom, Maturity, & Honesty)
Post by: Canary on September 19, 2012, 09:10:05 pm
Alright, Thax, with your legal definitions and pointing out my redundancy. Thanks, though.

Since Spook can't reply to this thread it's useless to keep it open. (I wasn't the one who forum banned him, before anyone brings it up. I lack that power.)

Spook Island, instead of telling us that you would like to be unbanned so that you can play the game, and instead of telling us that you are willing to stop doing the things which you were banned for, you argued the word of the rules themselves, the interpretation of the rules by the admins, and tried to personally condemn the person who banned you, using flatout lies no less, in an attempt to "expose corruption" and win a debate about whether or not you were justifiably banned. It seemed would rather argue with what we said than present yourself as someone who should be allowed to play the game.

You said you obeyed every clearly written black-and-white rule to the letter, but you didn't. Snarky comments aside, you broke multiple forum rules in the process of saying and defending that statement.

In the end, we've spent far too much time dealing with you. Why do you deserve to be singled out with better treatment and more discussion than other people who receive equal ban conditions?

Here's the verdict: At no point did you say that you were willing to obey the rules as they they are currently implemented (on the basis that that system is flawed), and so there's no reason to unban you.