most one handers are crappy and do not atack fast enough, there are not many capable one handers
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I think that pretty much sums up my opinion on this subject, having explained it hundreds of times it now hurts to do so.
Sorry if you consider it spam, just felt the need to express myself lol.
There probably isn't a problem. I'm just having a piss and a moan because the game tonight seemed full of them. :mrgreen:
Plus the battle report scrolling down the side was full of x was 2handed by Y and not much else.
I would probably have a little whine if the servers were full of archers.............nah! :D
Was RS or Chaos playing? They have a monster player base that hyper specializes on skilled 2Her play.Pass. I was bimbling on siege and was trying to last more than 30 seconds so my attention was elsewhere. :D Maybe it was a game special. Ya know a 2 for 1 2handed weapon night. All drinks half price. :mrgreen:
Pass. I was bimbling on siege and was trying to last more than 30 seconds so my attention was elsewhere. :D Maybe it was a game special. Ya know a 2 for 1 2handed weapon night. All drinks half price. :mrgreen:
Its funny how when a balanced spread of classes is borked the game becomes as much fun as a dose of the clap. Maybe a future issue to solve. :?
Now that I agree with, a nice spread of every play style makes it fun!
Actually, the Fallen Ones server indicates that polearms get the most kills, with two-handed weapons a close second. This is mostly due to reach and damage, as spam rarely ever works on a competent player, and these days, there's never a team composed of complete newbies.
there are some tricks that you have to experience, why would I share it with you ?
It's not an exploit or bug, you muffin.
Listen, do you think, that if you buy a pike, and a sumpter horse is charging you (yes without a rider).
So do you think that your pike will kill the horse ?
NOOO!! I TELL YOU: NO!
You have to kill the wild raging sumpter horse, with your ugly fingers.
Yes, in some culture they think weapon has soul, but in this game it isnt implemented yet.
So. go to eu3 and you are not allowed to leave until you don't find the damned solution against your problem.
omg damn facepalm
Actually, the Fallen Ones server indicates that polearms get the most kills, with two-handed weapons a close second. This is mostly due to reach and damage, as spam rarely ever works on a competent player, and these days, there's never a team composed of complete newbies.
The old thrust got +80, new one doesn't. New one is outranged by stuff like GLB, GLA(i think), LHB etc.
Pass on that one.
I have seen a 2h hit a shield, the 1h attack only to be one shotted in mid swing because the 2 hander is that fast. Personally I would have thought that the one handed weapon would out pace and 2h by default if only on the laws of physics.
There doesnt seem to be a trade off with this weapon class insofar as they get horrendous damage, weapon range and shield smegging special powers at the expence of speed. It seems a dedicated 2 hander gets all of the snacky super powers and can swing like they're on combat drugs.
Its just seems to be getting a bit cheesy is all.
The old thrust got +80, new one doesn't. New one is outranged by stuff like GLB, GLA(i think), LHB etc.The stabs outrange my long hafted blade too
The stabs outrange my long hafted blade too
I was under the impression that the range of weapons were the actual effective range? Havent experienced anything to the contrary yet. For example the war spear=150 range, never had a 2h sword outrach its stab(not even flameberge, allthough it could).
there are some tricks that you have to experience, why would I share it with you ?
It's not an exploit or bug, you muffin.
Listen, do you think, that if you buy a pike, and a sumpter horse is charging you (yes without a rider).
So do you think that your pike will kill the horse ?
NOOO!! I TELL YOU: NO!
You have to kill the wild raging sumpter horse, with your ugly fingers.
Yes, in some culture they think weapon has soul, but in this game it isnt implemented yet.
So. go to eu3 and you are not allowed to leave until you don't find the damned solution against your problem.
omg damn facepalm
You do realise the only advantage 2h have over polearms is the better stab animation? Otherwise polearms are faster, longer, more damage, cheaper and have stun.Last generation I played with a katana and I have never noticed stun. What is that polearm stun and why have I never had a problem with it?
Last generation I played with a katana and I have never noticed stun. What is that polearm stun and why have I never had a problem with it?
If you get hit you can't strike back unless you block twice in a row. Not all polearms have it though, Long Hafted Blade has it for example.
there are some tricks that you have to experience, why would I share it with you ?inb4 more wtf posts.
It's not an exploit or bug, you muffin.
Listen, do you think, that if you buy a pike, and a sumpter horse is charging you (yes without a rider).
So do you think that your pike will kill the horse ?
NOOO!! I TELL YOU: NO!
You have to kill the wild raging sumpter horse, with your ugly fingers.
Yes, in some culture they think weapon has soul, but in this game it isnt implemented yet.
So. go to eu3 and you are not allowed to leave until you don't find the damned solution against your problem.
omg damn facepalm
You do realise the only advantage 2h have over polearms is the better stab animation? Otherwise polearms arefasterway slower,longershorter,moreusually same or less damage, cheaper and have stun.
Regarding stun:
There is a "weight vs weight" weapon stun. Say - charged (chambered/held/you name it) greatsword strikes a side sword. There is added delay to the side sword wielder after he blocks, he cant counter attack and MUST block twice unless he massively out manouvers the other guy. In general this applies only to charged attacks and only in situations where a heavier wep strikes a lighter one. Polearms in general are a bit heavier than 2hers so they can use this more. I could be wrong but unless the weight difference is huge this sort of stun applies only on charged overheads. This is a stun only in the way that you must not counterattack immediately after 1st strike.
And then there is polearm stun. When a polearm strikes you with enough dmg - you get a short "staggering" animation during which you can do NOTHING at all. With enough speed you can get in a second guaranteed hit (in native this is possible with spears, in crpg with several weps (depending on build ofc)). This is incredibly annoying in team fights and quite so as well in duel type situations since your opponent can manouver to a favourable position for him.
Not to mention knockdown that hafted spiked mace has - sure kill on all but super heavies.
These are the conclusions I have come to from playing on siege, duels and battle in that order, if Im wrong Id value input.
That is new to you... but yet you make topics about it. You should be muted.
There is a difference in asking for advice and making a thread called "2h spam" especially if you do not know the mechanics of a certain game. Think about that.
I think most people do not know the mechanics of those game unless it concerns their primary build.
I think most people do not know the mechanics of those game unless it concerns their primary build.
It's funny how every helicopter-oriented chars come here to say "2handers are slow as fuck, shuttup you nub".
Xant
Siiem
Punisher
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It's funny how every helicopter-oriented chars come here to say "2handers are slow as fuck, shuttup you nub".
Xant
Siiem
Punisher
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It's funny how every helicopter-oriented chars come here to say "2handers are slow as fuck, shuttup you nub".
Xant
Siiem
Punisher
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Actually I am 2 mil xp away from retireing to polearms because I feel it's a pity not to use OP weapons if given the chance.
You're going to regret that. 2H > Polearm.
There is a difference in asking for advice and making a thread called "2h spam" especially if you do not know the mechanics of a certain game. Think about that.
I apploud your ability to make long useless posts. I prefer short but to the point useless posts.
Arrgh, my lord pray forgive me for such poor use of the English language. I had attempted a light humoured post with myself as the ignorant rube with no intention other than to talk about 2handers and the pace that they can master with their huge choppers. Please forgive me master I will take myself away and have my gussets bludgeoned with a gusset bludgeoning cudgel before the setting of the sun.
But before I go my lord I must express concern about these losses of patience which seem ever on the increases these days and vex you so. Such shortness cannot benefit socialy to say the least.
I must confess that I have conversed today with Ramone, your personal interior designer about such stresses on my spirit with regards to your welfare. I met him in your conservatory, reclining on a red inflatable sofa in his usual lime green mankini and sucking on a banana. Why he has to eat them that way is beyond me and I find it a little disturbing. Can't say why though. The platted chest hair is not to my taste either.
Anyway I digress.
I expressed my concerns to him about these changes to your once cheerful and ebullient personality and sited that story you regaled me with one drunken night. It was the time that you were abducted by an alien who probed you in a variety of horrendous ways before leaving you battered and bruised on the doorstep.
My concern also went so far as to bring up the incident in the Snappy Snaps on the high street and that time with the web cam.
With his fine, smooth italian accent Ramone (which makes me feel strange in a moist way), informed me that my worries though valid they were off track somewhat.
Apparently, and this is news to me, you weren't abducted by an alien, it was Allen from Snugfit Screws & Nuts Ltd.
The incident that I attributed to a mental breakdown, the one where you stood in the middle of Snappy Snaps wearing a gimp mask, a Hello Kitty tshirt, with a Daffodil sticking out your arse, singing Danny Boy in the style of the Chipmunks, was apparently down to a cough syrup bender because you lost at patience.
As for the webcam incident, the less said about the industrial sized tub of Swarfega and a Corgi called Roy the better.
My heart is broken that you have suffered so.
Ramone informs me that the reason for such a change is because you have a small penis. I interrupted him at this juncture to point out that your manly, masculine proportions meant that the only way to see your Johnson would be with a cunning array of mirrors and that it was unlikely that you personally had seen it in the last decade let alone touched it as human arms can't grow that long. I must confess that I have always aspired to emulate your manliness and one day I too will reach the magic ton. I should of asked him how he knew.
Anyway, Ramone delighted me and raised my spirits by saying that he hopes to involve you in American football and that he and his associates hope you will be accommodating and become a wide receiver that they can all enjoy. I never knew you were interested in sports.
As to your small parts I did put forward that maybe a companion of a scale to fit would be suitable. Maybe someone from The Lord of the Rings. Unfortunately neither of us had a clue as to how we could contact Smeagol.
Anyway as a final note please be aware that I would never do anything to deliberately vex you and I will henceforth refrain from posting anything remotely controversial. I shall stick to fluffy subjects from now on.
Before I sign off on this email to you, I will come to see you in the cellar in about an hour to empty your potty and sterilize/moisturise your bedsores. I will also check out that urine burn you are getting in your nethers. The doctor says to sponge you down more frequently and to use a stronger alkali. I'll make sure to bring some bleach.
Do you want your usual 10 buckets of chicken parts and 16 gallons of coke.
Your devoted servant W. Smithers
P.S. Ramone says he will be around later to do some stretching exercises. Remind me to ask him if he has any idea as to what has been gnawing at your bed linen and pillows.
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I found this incredibly amusing, I will be giving you awesome points every time from now on whenever I remember to do so.
Honestly myself and many other players agreed that 1h should have a clear speed advantage over 2h and polearm type weapons but I can see that it is MARGINAL at best. Before many of you 2h players start ranting about that comment, please be aware that you have: Superiour animations, longer range, better speed, and significantly more damage.
Honestly myself and many other (2h) players agreed that 2h should have a clear speed advantage over 1h and polearm type weapons but I can see that it is MARGINAL at best. Before many of you 1h players start ranting about this comment, please be aware that you have: superior animations, don't have to manual block = protection from ranged, melee and pikes(RANGEMELEE), better speed and just a tiny bit less damage for all this.
I don't know why my awesome bar is taking such a huge hit when I am just stating game mechanics.
Given what many of you said earlier "learn the mechanics of the game before you comment" yet I seem to be penalized by the very same 2h trolls who made this comment.
This just proves my point earlier and the one that others made about the psychological standing of many of these players being internet epeen troll flexors.
There now you HAVE a reason to reduce my awesome bar.
Weapon weight differences allow for you to strike back well before a 1h could after you manual block once. If it takes more then 1 swing to die then you have several chances to block once and get a clear chance for attack usually well before a shield can be raised.
Given this information manual blocking also has a clear advantage over shield blocking as well making 2h weapons superiour in every single way. Although shields can block in all directions manual blocking has an advantage in blocking as well making it balanced based on skill.
Congratulations.
Blocking is less than half of melee, you have to know how and when to attack as well. Failing to do so results in you getting hit when trying to counterattack. Don't blame the game for your own shortcomings.
You're not stating game mechanism, you're stating your own noobishness. The only time weapon weight difference comes into play is the first strike in a duel if you're 1h and don't have a shield vs a 2hander. So you just block twice in a row, then it's back to youblock-heblocks-youblock-etc. So what the hell are you talking about in the first paragraph?
Lemme get this straight. Manual blocking has an advantage in blocking because it has an advantage in blocking.. gotcha, flawless argumentation.
I was saying manual blocking has its advantages...
Just like blocking with a shield has advantages...
Right?
And none of them could overcome their pride and pick up a shield. Just one of the disadvantages that come with the usual 2H mindset.
No not right, shield can block 4 different swing directions and projectiles at once, by just holding rmb. And if there is a shield breaking weapon incoming you can allways flick the shield on your back for extra armour and manual block the scary shield crushing weapon. It's unparralled when it comes to convenience and if you don't mind beeing slow you can allways bring more then 1. In the end a shield is pure luxury over manual block.
However this has nothing to do with personal preferance. I like to manual block so I choose a weapon that gives me extra damage and length.
Lol so manual blocking has no advantages over shield at all right?
Like your manual blocks never break, stun timer for blocking lighter weapons, faster block speed compared to most shields (you can parry very quickly during a fight)
Don't get me wrong, I use a shield but I also can use a 2h weapon very well and a more than capable manual blocker but I know for a fact there are advantages to both types of defense.
the difference is, that with 1h+shield you get to chose - in situations where manual block is better (vs shieldbreakers) you can just manual block, and then you can use shield the rest of the time.
2Hs and polearms dont have a choice
lol Yes they do.
Oh noes an archer is shooting at me, a shield might be handy here... *equips shield and proceeds to rape archer with longsword used 1h'd*
Damn, this shield isn't going to be much help vs that lolaxe *puts shield on back and rapes lolaxer with longsword*
Omg, my teammates need help but there's a thrower in there, wut do *equips shield and hoplite stabs the thrower with awlpike*
Damn, that guy knows how to block down *puts shield on back and speed rapes with lawlpike*
I find it difficult to believe you've ever even played a 2H.You obviously don't play on the NA servers at all, but that's ok we can keep making pointless assumptions.
A shield is near useless against a half-decent archerSo you're saying shielders need a buff? Or archers need a nerf?
And seriously, using a longsword with a shield to kill an archer!? I know most of the players on NA suck balls (even with a ping of 250+ I can maintain a positive K/D ratio when I play on an NA server), but I seriously can't believe that archers are so crap at melee that they would be able to beat someone using a sword with a 30% speed reduction (and, of course, no 1H WPF).If they keep the bow out the 30% malus doesn't matter, you stab, they can't block, they die. They put the bow away for a melee weapon, you put the shield away because you're not facing ranged anymore. These are simple concepts. :wink:
As for shielding against a thrower: what shield skill do your 2H characters have??Usually none. I accept that 2hers are supposed to be weak vs ranged spam, however I do have a rank 0 shield for advancing when I'm too lazy to use cover or juke at all (which isn't often). It gets me from point A to B just fine, B being in melee range of the ranged guy I want to kill. You don't just walk in a straight line with the shield raised the whole time you're advancing just because you have a shield on do you? I hope not.
I ended up putting 1 into mine just so it would be a little harder for archers to shoot my feet (still happens a lot though), but it takes 2 axes/javs maximum to break my shield. Then I'm in the open with throwing spam headed my way. My own thrower destroys any 2Hers shields in 1 hit (I've got 10 PT). Then I kill proceed to kill them (even a tin can with high IF) in two shots with my heavy axes.So again is it buff shielders, or nerf throwing/ranged?
I've given up using my shield against all but the worst of throwers and archers; and even then I'll only bother if there's only a few of them on the other team, otherwise I'll just have a broken shield in a few seconds.So you made a concious decision to give up protection vs ranged. Good for you. I do the same as well most of the time on my 2hers and polearm toons. However just because you choose not to use it, doesn't mean the capability doesn't exist. Big difference.
Mattressi's talking about the low-shield-skill shields being useless.
You obviously don't play on the NA servers at all, but that's ok we can keep making pointless assumptions.
So you're saying shielders need a buff? Or archers need a nerf?
If they keep the bow out the 30% malus doesn't matter, you stab, they can't block, they die. They put the bow away for a melee weapon, you put the shield away because you're not facing ranged anymore. These are simple concepts. :wink:
Usually none. I accept that 2hers are supposed to be weak vs ranged spam, however I do have a rank 0 shield for advancing when I'm too lazy to use cover or juke at all (which isn't often). It gets me from point A to B just fine, B being in melee range of the ranged guy I want to kill. You don't just walk in a straight line with the shield raised the whole time you're advancing just because you have a shield on do you? I hope not.
So again is it buff shielders, or nerf throwing/ranged?
So you made a concious decision to give up protection vs ranged. Good for you. I do the same as well most of the time on my 2hers and polearm toons. However just because you choose not to use it, doesn't mean the capability doesn't exist. Big difference.
They'll stop an arrow or two, for no skill investment. Otherwise put 1 point into shield skill and carry:
Nordic Shield
1064
weight 3.5
requirement 1
hit points 240
body armor 5
spd rtng 100
shield width 34
Or
Old Board Shield
600
weight 4.5
requirement 1
hit points 200
body armor 1
spd rtng 89
shield width 26
shield height 60
Can't use on horseback
That's at least 200 hp worth of protection for 1 point invested.
I know most of the players on NA suck ballswtf..
wtf..
-.-
SURE YOU CAN USE THEM VERY WELL SIR.
Lol insult the player to make your "point".
The main reason I don't play a 2h character is because the computer I play on is 9 years old and honestly it just doesn't run well enough to manual block consistently on high population servers.
Also just a last point, don't act like your all high and mighty or that your "skills" really are so significantly better.
I have a weapon collection irl and train with hand to hand weapons and also a practitioner of hapkido so in all honesty I have far more skill with weapons than you do.
I have a weapon collection irl and train with hand to hand weapons and also a practitioner of hapkido so in all honesty I have far more skill with weapons than you do.
you just played the ultimate fail card
you only say stuff like this if you know you've failed and you want to save it by trying to impress other people with your 'awesome' collection.
I'd be careful what you say... You just might piss off this internet bully and he might poke your eye out with one of the sticks from his 'weapon collection'.
Sorry if that sounds offensive. I'm not saying there aren't any good NA players (there are many exceptional players), but you have to admit that there are a lot of horrible players on NA. I'm used to a server consisting of a small group of hardcore Warband/cRPG players where almost every kill is difficult to get. NA, on the other hand, is very challenging only if you choose to ignore the large number of peasants and absolutely terrible 2H 'spammers' (who seem to try to spam any weapon regardless of speed; even I can block them easily and hit them, without them even attempting to block!). For sure there are many good 2H (and even peasants!), but there are also many crap players who are easy to kill. I've found (in my small number of hours on NA, so likely it isn't very accurate) that the best players on there are 1h/shield, 2H and polearm users. I think I've only been hit by an archer three or four times and each time was when I was climbing a steep ladder on a siege map without a shield. Some of the archers on the Aus server can shoot a foot from across the other side of a wide map. Surely some NA archers can too, but I have yet to encounter them. All of this could be said for EU too, but Gorath is on NA so I spoke about NA, rather than EU (though I never play EU because I get a ping of 350+ on there :shock:).
theres bad players on both NA and EU servers as well as good ones and many 2 h in NA do try the spam spam method which is fine by me easy kills but going as far as saying best fighters are sheilders imo sheild= baddie cant manual block and if he can and well he gets respect im not sure theres only 3 rlly good sheilders i can think of most others just fall for the circle spam and only 3 or 4 times shot by an archer i wanna kno when u played on NA i get shot at least twice a map lol :P
Is that supposed to be one sentence?yes my super awesome run on sentence :D. John you rlly gonna grammer chocolate chip cookie me >_< .
I have a weapon collection irl and train with hand to hand weapons and also a practitioner of hapkido so in all honesty I have far more skill with weapons than you do.
Wow, someone else with a weapon collection, I too have various bats, clubs and kitchen knives, we're like long lost brothers.
Except the Hapkido part, I like to learn -real- martial arts.
Lol good job insulting one of the most effective combat martial arts ever to exist. Formed from the Takeda house martial arts, the founder of Hapkido knew all 3308 moves within the Takeda house art and made Hapkido with it. Hapkido was also used by the Korean Elite guard to protect the royal family against all types of martial arts and potential threats.
EDIT: I forgot to mention Hapkido is also used by SWAT, ETF, Special Forces, Navy Seals and even the Marines learn a few Hapkdio moves.
As far as my weapon collection goes, lets just say I sleep with a Nodachi next to my bed not a baseball bat.
As far as 2h spam goes I can kill people with 1 wpf in 2h using a longsword and keeping up with all but the fastest 2h fighters using my elite manual blocking skills. On a side note I swing the longsword significantly faster 2 handed with 1wpf than I do 1handed with 145 wpf.
Lol good job insulting one of the most effective combat martial arts ever to exist. Formed from the Takeda house martial arts, the founder of Hapkido knew all 3308 moves within the Takeda house art and made Hapkido with it. Hapkido was also used by the Korean Elite guard to protect the royal family against all types of martial arts and potential threats.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
EDIT: I forgot to mention Hapkido is also used by SWAT, ETF, Special Forces, Navy Seals and even the Marines learn a few Hapkdio moves.
As far as my weapon collection goes, lets just say I sleep with a Nodachi next to my bed not a baseball bat.
On a side note I swing the longsword significantly faster 2 handed with 1wpf than I do 1handed with 145 wpf.2h'd superior animations. Everyone eventually notices that 2hers don't need wpf compared to the other weapon types.
So I guess based on what you said, saying that 2h has better animations then it therefore has an advantage and should be nerfed so it is in par with 1h?
Is that what your saying?
Yes, yes. Let's just make every single weapon in the game equal all across the board. With 100 speed, 40 cut and 35 pierce. No variation. None at all. No class differences, no weapon drawbacks or advantages whatsoever. Just different models. Yes, yes. This would make the game much more fun and interesting.
:?
I guess you also whine when people drive a better car than you too
Lol good job insulting one of the most effective combat martial arts ever to exist. Formed from the Takeda house martial arts, the founder of Hapkido knew all 3308 moves within the Takeda house art and made Hapkido with it. Hapkido was also used by the Korean Elite guard to protect the royal family against all types of martial arts and potential threats.
EDIT: I forgot to mention Hapkido is also used by SWAT, ETF, Special Forces, Navy Seals and even the Marines learn a few Hapkdio moves.
As far as my weapon collection goes, lets just say I sleep with a Nodachi next to my bed not a baseball bat.
As far as 2h spam goes I can kill people with 1 wpf in 2h using a longsword and keeping up with all but the fastest 2h fighters using my elite manual blocking skills. On a side note I swing the longsword significantly faster 2 handed with 1wpf than I do 1handed with 145 wpf.
EDIT2: The reason I talked about my RL skills is to show how your internet video game skills are pointless when we are trying to have a discussion about game mechanics and FAIRNESS within this mod and that I have a life outside of playing this mod 24/7.
EDIT: I forgot to mention Hapkido is also used by SWAT, ETF, Special Forces, Navy Seals and even the Marines learn a few Hapkdio moves.
I have a weapon collection irl and train with hand to hand weapons and also a practitioner of hapkido so in all honesty I have far more skill with weapons than you do.
EDIT2: The reason I talked about my RL skills is to show how your internet video game skills are pointless when we are trying to have a discussion about game mechanics and FAIRNESS within this mod and that I have a life outside of playing this mod 24/7.
No actually, I do belive those guys learn Krav maga and Kenpo.
Oh shiit, not the SWAT and the special forces? Craaaaap. I do thusly apologize for offending you, please don't grab the nodachi next to your bed and come after me with your INSANE hapkido skillz. And by gods, please do not link to more Hapkido videos on youtube, they are making me have nightmares.
I guess you proved my point that your attacking the person and not even saying a single thing about the game mechanics that your quoting.
To spell it out for you, at least I talk about a sword and experience using one which is roughly the idea of what the game "Mount and Blade" is all about.
Your just acting like a douche.
Lol insult the player to make your "point".
The main reason I don't play a 2h character is because the computer I play on is 9 years old and honestly it just doesn't run well enough to manual block consistently on high population servers.
Also just a last point, don't act like your all high and mighty or that your "skills" really are so significantly better.
Honestly what I think would make it fair is if 2h weapons had to wait a bit to swing again if they missed, thus allowing an adequate chance for players with shorter weapons to attack back.
Note that those are video game skills in a blatantly unbalanced game.
Honestly what I think would make it fair is if 2h weapons had to wait a bit to swing again if they missed, thus allowing an adequate chance for players with shorter weapons to attack back. This would not hinder the core mechanics of strike block strike combat but would instead make a penalty for players who just swing their giant 2h weapons all over the place.
At the end of the day player skill wins. Stop this QQ at once.Er not quite.
Er not quite.
If you carry a shield and meet a 2 hander skill is only a minor factor.
You have to take into account:
Level difference
Stat differences
Equipment strengths
Heirlooms
Weapon stats
Ping
amongst other things.
If you as a non 2 hander meet someone wielding a Barmace or 2h Sword, how many times can you afford to screw up and get hit? Once? Twice? If the 2 hander has decent equipment he can potentialy afford to screw up a few times before going down. In the mean time he has cut a bloody swathe across the battlements. The damage differences and weapon effects are poles apart.
Er not quite.
If you carry a shield and meet a 2 hander skill is only a minor factor.
You have to take into account:
Level difference
Stat differences
Equipment strengths
Heirlooms
Weapon stats
Ping
amongst other things.
If you as a non 2 hander meet someone wielding a Barmace or 2h Sword, how many times can you afford to screw up and get hit? Once? Twice? If the 2 hander has decent equipment he can potentialy afford to screw up a few times before going down. In the mean time he has cut a bloody swathe across the battlements. The damage differences and weapon effects are poles apart.
Note that those are video game skills in a blatantly unbalanced game.
Honestly what I think would make it fair is if 2h weapons had to wait a bit to swing again if they missed, thus allowing an adequate chance for players with shorter weapons to attack back. This would not hinder the core mechanics of strike block strike combat but would instead make a penalty for players who just swing their giant 2h weapons all over the place.
Derp, my name is Konrax and I'm a shielder using the most overpowered 1 handed weapon and I still want weapons nerfed because I suck at the game.
Have you never heard of the W key? Use it.
Guess what, that applies to everyone, you think a 2H weapon gives you superpowers and you can screw up against anyone? If I screw up once against a shielder and allow him to hit me I'm dead because I usually get outspammed and with the 1h animations I rarely manage to block. Now if you suck and allow 2H to circle spam you it's your own fault.
I actually think a 1h+shield can afford to screw up way more than a 2H because you can always hide behind your shield if you are in a tight situation, while a 2H has to manual block his way out.
This is true. I was just attempting to point out that there are other factors involved other than pure player skill.
There are a lot of things to be considered when assessing a classes affectivness and overall impact on the balance of a game. If there is no issue with 2 handed weapons then we have had a fun discussion. If there is then hopefully nerf/buff/compromise, the problem will be solved.
As to which class is more prolific only game data can tell.
Hell, if we don't discuss this kind of thing then nothing is learnt and there is no evolution towards perfection. :wink:
It seems you realized you were wrong with your rants.
Derp, my name is Konrax and I'm a shielder using the most overpowered 1 handed weapon and I still want weapons nerfed because I suck at the game.
Have you never heard of the W key? Use it.
I never even said what my build is or what weapons I use.
ALT+F4 Your life.
Dexx supports 2h nerf
The only thing I dislike about 2handers is the quantity.
More and more people go for 2handswords. :rolleyes:
I would love more variation.
Hmm as a 2hander I feel the other way around, more and more people go for 1h+shield, there has definetly been a large increase in their numbers after the patch.
Hmm as a 2hander I feel the other way around, more and more people go for 1h+shield, there has definetly been a large increase in their numbers after the patch.
So animation and all around stab damage nerf on greatswords, katana weight and damage mega nerf, morningstar nerf all since latest patch didn't adjust anythingAnimation and stab nerf? Are you shitting me? Animations are still the best in the game, stab can be machinegunned now, STILL spun 360 degrees like a lightsaber and actually glances less because of slightly shorter range WHICH, btw, is still longer than most polearms. 2h swords still pretty much have thrusting pierce damage on lockdown compared to the pokey polearm weapons. Why do you insist on just making things up? :rolleyes: I play a 2her as well, I know damn well how buff they are in relation to everything else, AND I don't even use the cookie cutter lolswords of uber stat doom.
Kids gorath purposely ignores these things and refuses to use side swords steel picks espada spamitar hammers and then says one hand sucksIndeed I do:
Well sure if u force yourself into using horrible weapons of any class you will failI don't fail that much actually. Perhaps you should stop crutching on lolweapons and use something "normal" once and a while to gain some perspective of the game and relationship between the classes/weapons from a normal viewpoint instead of looking at them from the perspective of lolfotmOPweaponcarry of the moment. :wink:
1h/shield is much weaker than 2h/polearms... how?
As a former avid 2h user who saw the light and converted to sword and board, I can emphatically say that 2h/polearms have been somewhat underpowered ever since the agility nerf. The animations make them relatively easy to block/parry (compared to 1h weapons) and they are generally slower. The only upsides are their range and marginally higher damage, which, while useful, don't outweigh the speed/blocking ability of 1h + shield.
When I see 2hers running around on the battlefield, I lick my lips at the easy kill ahead of me.
When I see 1h + shield, I groan at the pain in the ass it will be to kill them if they are any good.
As a former avid 2h user who saw the light and converted to sword and board, I can emphatically say that 2h/polearms have been somewhat underpowered ever since the agility nerf. The animations make them relatively easy to block/parry (compared to 1h weapons) and they are generally slower. The only upsides are their range and marginally higher damage, which, while useful, don't outweigh the speed/blocking ability of 1h + shield.
When I see 2hers running around on the battlefield, I lick my lips at the easy kill ahead of me.
When I see 1h + shield, I groan at the pain in the ass it will be to kill them if they are any good.
This is completely true. 2h is a LOT easier to read than 1h animations, especially because most shielders are hugging and running around you while spamming their swings. As a 2H myself I rather fight versus 3 2handers than 1 shielder. The sword&board style is even more OP in sieges. Or versus arrows. Or versus thrown.
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I do agree. As i ever said, 1H+shield is the Way of Simplicity
Animation and stab nerf? Are you shitting me? Animations are still the best in the game, stab can be machinegunned now, STILL spun 360 degrees like a lightsaber and actually glances less because of slightly shorter range WHICH, btw, is still longer than most polearms. 2h swords still pretty much have thrusting pierce damage on lockdown compared to the pokey polearm weapons. Why do you insist on just making things up? :rolleyes: I play a 2her as well, I know damn well how buff they are in relation to everything else, AND I don't even use the cookie cutter lolswords of uber stat doom.
Indeed I do:
Side sword is shit - renaissance fencing rapier looking thing that has no place on the field and certainly not with the look for my toon
I do use the steel pick sometimes, where have you been :P
Again, spammitar doesn't fit my theme and not everyone on the field should be the exact same.
I do use a hammer some rounds, where have you been :P
None of this matters because it's a matter of personal preference when you look at the stats of the weapons. 1hers have the shortest reach, lowest damage, on average the lowest weight (leading to more block stuns). When used with a shield, which is supposed to be their big benefit, they suffer a decent speed malus. I've never said that 1hers suck, or that they're too weak to succeed, simply that they are the weakest weapon type which the mechanics and math supports. :rolleyes:
I don't fail that much actually. Perhaps you should stop crutching on lolweapons and use something "normal" once and a while to gain some perspective of the game and relationship between the classes/weapons from a normal viewpoint instead of looking at them from the perspective of lolfotmOPweaponcarry of the moment. :wink:
Well, in a 1 on 1 i think you can discuss what is best; 2H/Polearm or 1H+shield.
For simplicity we can just say they are equal (even hough i'd still say the shielder has an advantage)
BUT:
The shield protects vs arrows, it allows you to fight multiple enemies at once, it will take much longer to kill you, and therefore you have ab igger chance of getting reinforcements in time.
Furthermore you can always just put your shield on the back and be able to fight like 2H'ers (shorter range, higher speed though)
Animation and stab nerf? Are you shitting me? Animations are still the best in the game, stab can be machinegunned now, STILL spun 360 degrees like a lightsaber and actually glances less because of slightly shorter range WHICH, btw, is still longer than most polearms. 2h swords still pretty much have thrusting pierce damage on lockdown compared to the pokey polearm weapons. Why do you insist on just making things up? :rolleyes: I play a 2her as well, I know damn well how buff they are in relation to everything else, AND I don't even use the cookie cutter lolswords of uber stat doom.
Indeed I do:
Side sword is shit - renaissance fencing rapier looking thing that has no place on the field and certainly not with the look for my toon
I do use the steel pick sometimes, where have you been :P
Again, spammitar doesn't fit my theme and not everyone on the field should be the exact same.
I do use a hammer some rounds, where have you been :P
None of this matters because it's a matter of personal preference when you look at the stats of the weapons. 1hers have the shortest reach, lowest damage, on average the lowest weight (leading to more block stuns). When used with a shield, which is supposed to be their big benefit, they suffer a decent speed malus. I've never said that 1hers suck, or that they're too weak to succeed, simply that they are the weakest weapon type which the mechanics and math supports. :rolleyes:
I don't fail that much actually. Perhaps you should stop crutching on lolweapons and use something "normal" once and a while to gain some perspective of the game and relationship between the classes/weapons from a normal viewpoint instead of looking at them from the perspective of lolfotmOPweaponcarry of the moment. :wink:
Pretty sure I already mentioned almost everything you said here and was vigorously attacked by other players.
+1
Pretty sure I already mentioned almost everything you said here and was vigorously attacked by other players.
+1
You could always spectate a game or two and count the kill types that scroll up the screen on the left hand side.
It will either confirm the majority view that 2h are ok or it will piss on their chips :mrgreen:
I am not sure how k/d and kill stats support the arguments, when a good shielder does not have to get the kills to contribute to the team.
I am not sure how k/d and kill stats support the arguments, when a good shielder does not have to get the kills to contribute to the team.
Best K/D by weapon or numbers of kills will never tell you if a class is op or not, 2h/pole are offensive class, 1h are defensive.
Sure you see more kills by 2handers, it's logical this is their role.
Don't think that all class should have the same K/D, they have distinct role in a battle, that's why you need teamwork to win.
We are ultra vulnerable to bows, crossbows and throwing weapons, while 1-h are practicly invulnerable.
and the manual blocking is just no disadvantage versus HOLDRIGHTMOUSEBUTTONICANTDIE?
For real, players like Fallen/HRE_Mega, Shogunate_Sonja, Merc_Xant, and many many others who are often on top of the scoreboard with their easiest mode builds would have to work for a simple constant k d of 2 as turtler.
Xant, from what I heard from Bjord, you are a decent duelist.
From what I saw from you on the battlefield, you are a horrible (battle) player. You rush, without a shield, forward, and get spammed with ranged shit.
You rush, forward, never look around and get backstabbed by cavalry.
You rush, forward, get outnumbered by a group of enemies and die.
You dont understand your own words.
If it was balanced, your words, it would mean 2h gets more kills but dies a lot (as offense class), 1hshield gets not so much kills but stays alive (as defense class),
that would lead to the same kill death ratio.
But what is the truth?
Every mediocre player with a 2h/pole is on top of the scoreboard all the time.
For real, players like Fallen/HRE_Mega, Shogunate_Sonja, Merc_Xant, and many many others who are often on top of the scoreboard with their easiest mode builds would have to work for a simple constant k d of 2 as turtler.
I am not complaining, I play for fun not for cheap easy kills, but its silly that those noobs complain about side sword or steel pick. When they die against a shielder, its because they cant block shit/ dont understand the game mechanics/ make many mistakes like humans do.
Its somehow balanced in native, but crpg priviliges 2h/polearms too much.
I think it might be useful to know what weapon type is dealing the killing blow. A shielder might push back or wound but how many times do they actually kill in comparison to other classes.
Same goes for Archers and polearms.
It would be interesting to link the names on scoreboards to primary weapon types as well just to see how that scans.
Put it this way. If kills are dominated by 2 handers to a massive degree then that may raise other questions re class dominance and weapon stats etc. If it is an even spread with minor variations then we can wind this up and go and get laid.
This is only out of curiosity mind you. I use a xbow so I don't find it that important.
I don't speak very well english, so maybe you don't understand what i wrote, but i can ensure you that i understand my words, may be wrong translation...
I didn't talk of balance (not in this thread, but in another you're right) i've talked of offensive and defensive role, but this 2 class wont lead to the same k/d ratio, a defensive class will necessarily do fewer kills, but it can still die before the end of the round. An offensive class will die sooner , but before that it will do more kills.
But you fail to understand teamwork, it's maybe the most important, and it's why not everybody can do the same thing (and k/d) on the battlefield, everyone has his own role.
I like working with a 2hander, i block a foe with my shield, he kills him with is big sword, nice, my foe is dead.
Tbh, i don't see often noob2handers toping the scoreboard, and as i play both 1h and 2h, i can told you that as a 2hander it's not easy to fight a 1hander in a duel, you should try it.
On my lvl30 2hander my usual KD is 2-3, sometimes 4. And I can manually block well.
Then I switch to my lvl 25 one hander toon, with some shit shield (not huscarl ofc) and an axe (read, no sidesword, simply because it is overused) and I get a score of 15-2.
Simply because I know how to position myself and when to lower my shield to attack. That's all you need to know when playing a S&B.
Any twohander that isn't using an axe is a free kill