Two Handed Spam

[Konrax]

Animation and stab nerf?  Are you shitting me?  Animations are still the best in the game, stab can be machinegunned now, STILL spun 360 degrees like a lightsaber and actually glances less because of slightly shorter range WHICH, btw, is still longer than most polearms.  2h swords still pretty much have thrusting pierce damage on lockdown compared to the pokey polearm weapons.  Why do you insist on just making things up?     I play a 2her as well, I know damn well how buff they are in relation to everything else, AND I don't even use the cookie cutter lolswords of uber stat doom.
Indeed I do:
Side sword is shit - renaissance fencing rapier looking thing that has no place on the field and certainly not with the look for my toon
I do use the steel pick sometimes, where have you been
Again, spammitar doesn't fit my theme and not everyone on the field should be the exact same.
I do use a hammer some rounds, where have you been

None of this matters because it's a matter of personal preference when you look at the stats of the weapons.  1hers have the shortest reach, lowest damage, on average the lowest weight (leading to more block stuns).  When used with a shield, which is supposed to be their big benefit, they suffer a decent speed malus.  I've never said that 1hers suck, or that they're too weak to succeed, simply that they are the weakest weapon type which the mechanics and math supports.   
I don't fail that much actually.  Perhaps you should stop crutching on lolweapons and use something "normal" once and a while to gain some perspective of the game and relationship between the classes/weapons from a normal viewpoint instead of looking at them from the perspective of lolfotmOPweaponcarry of the moment.   

Pretty sure I already mentioned almost everything you said here and was vigorously attacked by other players.

+1

[Zisa]

Looking at the 'stats' of the weapons is a sure fire way to drive yourself crazy. These numbers all lie.

Spending a gen as sword and board, and I have to say the biggest problem with it is lack of a clue how to play it. Not ME of course.

I can see shielders getting tunnel vision quickly though, when holding the only defence up against incoming missile fire.

[Vibe]

Pretty sure I already mentioned almost everything you said here and was vigorously attacked by other players.

+1

Like it was said a thousand times any half-decent 1h can beat a good 2h. You obviously fail at that. THUS THE MINUSES

[Franklin]

Pretty sure I already mentioned almost everything you said here and was vigorously attacked by other players.

+1

You could always spectate a game or two and count the kill types that scroll up the screen on the left hand side.
It will either confirm the majority view that 2h are ok or it will piss on their chips 

[Prentyss]

You could always spectate a game or two and count the kill types that scroll up the screen on the left hand side.
It will either confirm the majority view that 2h are ok or it will piss on their chips 

That has just no signification if you don't consider the amount of 2H vs the one of 1H. If you want to speak about stat, take all the parameters.

[IG_Saint]

Use the server logs from the last couple of days. just searche for each instance of <img=ico_swordone> and all the other images. It isn't perfect since lots of weapons use the same icon, but it should still give a pretty accurate view of what the most used weapon type is.

[Zisa]

I am not sure how k/d and kill stats support the arguments, when a good shielder does not have to get the kills to contribute to the team.

[Tears of Destiny]

I am not sure how k/d and kill stats support the arguments, when a good shielder does not have to get the kills to contribute to the team.

This. I have a character with a heavy board shield, and even though I swing slow as dirt due to 15 Agil and 104ish wpf atm (should top out at a little over 120 once I hit LVL 30) I have caused multiple people to die to my teammates. It is beyond satisfying to force an opponent into friendlies by doing a constant shield and pushing him back, giving a poke or a kick if he ever dares to ignore me.

[Franklin]

I am not sure how k/d and kill stats support the arguments, when a good shielder does not have to get the kills to contribute to the team.

I think it might be useful to know what weapon type is dealing the killing blow.  A shielder might push back or wound but how many times do they actually kill in comparison to other classes.
Same goes for Archers and polearms. 
It would be interesting to link the names on scoreboards to primary weapon types as well just to see how that scans.
Put it this way.  If kills are dominated by 2 handers to a massive degree then that may raise other questions re class dominance and weapon stats etc.  If it is an even spread with minor variations then we can wind this up and go and get laid.

This is only out of curiosity mind you.  I use a xbow so I don't find it that important.

[Xant]

Well, it's a lot more complex than that. Stats would be interesting, sure... but at the end of the day the only thing they tell is which weapon is used the most, not which weapon is balanced/unbalanced.

[Blondin]

Best K/D by weapon or numbers of kills will never tell you if a class is op or not, 2h/pole are offensive class, 1h are defensive.
Sure you see more kills by 2handers, it's logical this is their role.

Don't think that all class should have the same K/D, they have distinct role in a battle, that's why you need teamwork to win.

[Michael]

lol I just bought a flamberge for my 1h and got 4 kills..........I have no wpf in 2h, all in 1h, but still its so much easier to kill with 2h or pole than with 1hshield says it all the only thing thats easier than 2hspam is polearm spam I guess. Okay maybe throwing.

But still, when a 2h/polearm cant beat a 1hshield in 1 vs 1 the 1hshielder is the better player, a lot better, or has better ping/ computer.

Lets be honest, those who love to play with 2h/pole are people that want to collect kills.

Lets be fair people, you would not get so much kills with 1hshield, thats why you go easy mode and spam 2h/pole weapons.

[Harafat]

Ofc 2-handers get more kills.

a) We are ultra vulnerable to bows, crossbows and throwing weapons, while 1-h are practicly invulnerable.

b) We have to block manually (which is extremely hard against a 1-h due to animations) instead of just "IMCLICKINGRIGHTMOUSE,IMINVULNERABLE"

So u suggest that we have to lose the one perk we have, a good kill ratio.

A 2-hander can never outspam a scimmittar, so if u get outspammed, get that and some agi/wpf.

[Michael]

Best K/D by weapon or numbers of kills will never tell you if a class is op or not, 2h/pole are offensive class, 1h are defensive.
Sure you see more kills by 2handers, it's logical this is their role.

Don't think that all class should have the same K/D, they have distinct role in a battle, that's why you need teamwork to win.

You dont understand your own words.

If it was balanced, your words, it would mean 2h gets more kills but dies a lot (as offense class), 1hshield gets not so much kills but stays alive (as defense class),
that would lead to the same kill death ratio.

But what is the truth?

Every mediocre player with a 2h/pole is on top of the scoreboard all the time.

For real, players like Fallen/HRE_Mega, Shogunate_Sonja, Merc_Xant, and many many others who are often on top of the scoreboard with their easiest mode builds would have to work for a simple constant k d of 2 as turtler.

I am not complaining, I play for fun not for cheap easy kills, but its silly that those noobs complain about side sword or steel pick. When they die against a shielder, its because they cant block shit/ dont understand the game mechanics/ make many mistakes like humans do.

Its somehow balanced in native, but crpg priviliges 2h/polearms too much.

[bruce]

We are ultra vulnerable to bows, crossbows and throwing weapons, while 1-h are practicly invulnerable.

Yes if you have a bazillion of shield skill and a huscarl. Just yesterday I had my 5 shield skill onehander with a heather shield hit twice by throwing from the direct front while turtling. Non-round shields are retarded.

I disagree that 1h is underpowered, however, but for wholly different reasons (I don't find our "offense" bad, exactly). But please, the "invulnerable to ranged" crap is just that, crap. I don't die to ranged much less then I did with a polearm (I had a shield, of course, duh, it's not a 1h specific thing).

The sidesword is retarded not because of 2handers or polearms, but it's retarded when you look at other onehanders, it's just silly in comparison to them.