If you want to outlaw suicide bombers I think Muslim players will complain that they can't practice their faith.Even if it's not botting it's still leeching. I agree with the OP that you have to actually play for your team and not just run and die. If he ran straight to the enemy and actually fought them although very outnumbered it would be ok
(And it's only botting if you use a bot, not if you do stuff manually.)
How do you think he got to gen 16 so fast ;)Pfff Goretooth was gen 16 several weeks ago, he's probably around 25 by now.
You can reach lvl31 in one week? O_O
Pfff Goretooth was gen 16 several weeks ago, he's probably around 25 by now.
with gen 4 i can became lvl 31 in a week, 4 days to 30 and 3 to 31
I cant stand people that have to go complain about people even when it has nothing to do and does not effect them. Really what if this guy wasn't botting and was just running in to grind up exp. whatever he was doing you had no reason to go fuck it up for him other than due to jealousy
No i'm not an admin... you could have asked that since youre online 24/7 on irc.... and what i have been wondering is.. who the fuck are you?
Some new guy that appeared a month ago and enjoys spamming irc?
Vicious related thing is-he wasnt breaking any of the rules i heard of so far.... No idling-prolonging rounds and being weaponless/and in some servers armorless.... and you must understand that Vicious is a professional grinder ( the chinese envy him).... if he was botting do you have some proof?... New rules inc!
This has been resolved by wook i see... he doesnt need much proof to ban someone... personal reason is all he needs... well not really... he gains satisfaction from kicking and banning people.
also do not listen to yoshi murasucky, he is crazyWords of wisdom. But was has Yoshi to do with this, I don't see him mentioned anywhere?
Banned him, will see how long.
Goretooth is retiring approximately twice a day so yes, you can get to level 31 in a week.Anyone recall the old thread where I was laughed at for suggesting that by the Spring we'd be back to having level 34 or higher chraracters because of the gen XP bonus? Looks like we're getting there even sooner than that.
No i'm not an admin... you could have asked that since youre online 24/7 on irc.... and what i have been wondering is.. who the fuck are you?
Some new guy that appeared a month ago and enjoys spamming irc?
Vicious related thing is-he wasnt breaking any of the rules i heard of so far.... No idling-prolonging rounds and being weaponless/and in some servers armorless.... and you must understand that Vicious is a professional grinder ( the chinese envy him).... if he was botting do you have some proof?... New rules inc!
This has been resolved by wook i see... he doesnt need much proof to ban someone... personal reason is all he needs... well not really... he gains satisfaction from kicking and banning people.
so you're trying to tell me that today you did not just run into the enemy team without changing direction or swinging once?
although multiple people verified that you did it more than once on multiple servers?
why would you lie about it?
Who told you that ? Why do you hate Vicious ? Does he get more kills by playing kamikaze/grind than you do while playing normally ?
Who told you that ? Why do you hate Vicious ? Does he get more kills by playing kamikaze/grind than you do while playing normally ?This Thread.
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Anyone recall the old thread where I was laughed at for suggesting that by the Spring we'd be back to having level 34 or higher chraracters because of the gen XP bonus? Looks like we're getting there even sooner than that.
lemme guess, by one of the mercs without an unban request...
I don't think it's so much as "taking his word" over the fact that it shouldn't be a bannable offense anyhow. He is not delaying. He is not harassing. He is not naked leaching. He is running into the enemy team and dying. Want his help? Follow him if you're on his team. Use him as a meat shield and get a kill or two while enemies try to take the easy swipes at him.
Either way, because of how difficult it is to determine if someone sucks or is intentionally suiciding to the enemy, it should not be a bannable offense imo. I think THAT is why you're getting people who you think are defending him in this thread. I don't even know the guy.
You can reach lvl31 in one week? O_O15-25 hour of playtime at gen 16
Us Mercs are a shady bunch, and work in mysterious ways. Our admins are in ur game, unbanning our dudez.
cRPG Mafia! :o
Don't make me kill you infront of your family...
How is it not a form of leeching? If he is not fighting (and it was said he wasn't, that he just ran into them and died peacefully), then he is leeching. At gen 16, he obviously doesn't need money, thus he is not leeching naked, thus making his leeching more subtle. Leeching it is though.
lemme guess, by one of the mercs without an unban request...
I specifically stated "who is not fighting". I have nothing against messing around, playing poorly, doing stupid decisions etc. We all do them sometimes. The thing is, he was seen not fighting at all. If this is his playstyle, then he should probably move to another game, maybe Sims or something like that.(click to show/hide)
He is not unbanned. Although thank you for going with this Merc-admin-abuse-conspiracy shit.
It really rocks when i go on, spend a lot of my personal time and effort, moderating and punishing rule-breakers without exception, hell, even punishing my clan-mates harsher than the rest, whilst being super-careful when they get griefed against (which happens a LOT), for which i do receive the occasional hate within the clan and still some tards go around throwing these baseless accusations.
*sigh*
Ill define leecing it for you: "a person playing an online game who a) joins a team, group, or guild and goes AFK for undeterminded amounts of time to gain money or experience without putting any effort forth, b) leaves his/her workload for others to pick up, and/or c) begs and asks for free things and hand outs from other high level players."
In that case, it doesn't sound like he was leeching to me.
1. He wasn't AFK that anyone can prove.
2. His "workload" is an arbitrary judgment call that no fallible human being can define.
3. There has been no mention of him asking for a handout.
In that case, it doesn't sound like he was leeching to me.
1. He wasn't AFK that anyone can prove.
2. His "workload" is an arbitrary judgment call that no fallible human being can define.
3. There has been no mention of him asking for a handout.
I completely agree with the above post. This was basically my response to this whole thing.
More room for vague, highly bias-able admin decisions and the naturally resulting shitstorm in forums with people complaining about "admin abooz" is the thing this mod needs the least right now.
Your answer bares the marks of a troll, unless you really believe that pressing w+t at the start of a round is an effort.
how can this lead to vague admin decisions?
leeching = 1day ban
there is no rule change.
it's freaking commonsense.
he did act like a bot for at least 4 rounds and it was obvious.
also he tried to conceal afk leeching with it AND it was not the first time...
why are we still going on about this being a problematic rule?
if people are botting or behaving like bots for multiple rounds then hell yeah they should be banned.
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way to rage dude.
way to rage dude.
i do not care about your gen nor if you are a merc or what ever other reason you can find.
i explained the situation and what you did.
if you lack the commonsense to understand that autorunning into the enemy to die is not helping your team and you still do it because there is no rule preventing it i would say you are the one here who needs an ego boost by mindless grinding to fulfill your addiction.
So can we get an offical answere on this? to end the discussion?
ok so you did not at all read this thread right? where i mentioned that you got a kill after i reported you on irc?
yeah didn't expect that man.
actually i overestimated you :(
sorry.
hmm ok maybe it's the language barrier that makes you fail here.
i'll just wait for the offical response to a rule about this and let you keep raging here :)
sorry i made you mad bro :rolleyes:
He's been warned countless times by me and kicked six times in the past few days on the NA servers. Consider this your last warning for leeching and afking Vicious.
protip: use the modify button.
also it's really hard to understand what you're actually trying to say during your rage parts so maybe just let it rest until we have an official ruling ;)
Everytime i've seen you on the siege server you've been afk in spawn and i've had to warn and kick you constantly in the past few days Vicous. AFKing the whole round is against the rules. I've never actually seen you fight on the siege server. I do enjoy the clown brigade commet and yet i do not even know the others mentioned in the brigade.
yeah i am totally enraged.
no wait what was it called.... oh yeah laughing my ass off.
also i got it i'm jelly because i am not as cool as you with your gen 16 character.
you got me :(
instead i waste at least 3 minutes to open up this thread and then while playing on the server you are banned from i regular check for more of your rage posts.
overall this is pretty entertaining.
especially as everyone but you is a liar.
as i mentioned earlier you fail at reading.
go to my first post - the one which started this thread open the spoiler - read the irc log.
if you find the part why there is no video of it i will personally award you with 5 internetz!
i've kicked you on the na 80 man and 100 man correct?
dunno. if happened i not saw who was. and if you cant even remember the server, how you say was me and was 6 times?I can and remember the servers just wanted to see if you remember if you do. When did i ever say anything about rushing the enemy team? I wouldn't be here if you were doing that. I've never seen you move your character on the NA servers besides spawning.
in this days i get kicked from a server 2 time max, eu or na that was.
point is, not exist a rule that forbidden a player to rush the enemy team, so even kick are not justify
I can and remember the servers just wanted to see if you remember if you do. When did i ever say anything about rushing the enemy team? I wouldn't be here if you were doing that. I've never seen you move your character on the NA servers besides spawning.
Ok, for anyone who can't read between the lines, this is what vicious is (likely) doing:
He is power grinding his character on multiple computers at the same time, joining multiple servers with the same character. He will run straight at the enemy team, and fight, assuming he is not already fighting on one of the other servers, because he is unable to fight on both computers at once.
Lame? Yes.
Against any rule I've ever seen written? No.
If you get unbanned and this is allowed, then something is wrong.
Also Vicious, get over yourself, do you seriously think someone cares about your gen 16 char? No, noone ever did and noone ever will. You are not even playing the game, as you said yourself. So why are you so angry? Now you have more time to play world of tanks.
EDIT: Also don't try the crap with "its not written in the rules word for word". Rules says leeching, so apply common sense. If you can't do that, then don't even bother to respond.
[...]fixing the issue, because it's really hard to fix it without changing whole reward system once again.
You obviously didn't apply the common sense. Babelfish posted a definition of leeching earlier in this thread, discussion was already held on that topic. Also, you can call it whatever you want, it still doesn't change the fact that you weren't fighting back, just dying (multiple people said that, while only you and your clanmate are the opposition to them and you calling all of them lairs because their "gealus noobs" obviously doesn't give a lot to your creditability).
you clearly have problem on reading.ahahahaha that - from you?
ahahahaha that - from you?
also you must have forgotten the part that you were 0/4 before i started complaining about it so that argument just does not hold.
I disagree, making this offense a permanent ban would easily stop people from doing it also get rid of any that continue to do so.
::sigh:: Do you understand the difficulty in PROVING someone is doing this INTENTIONALLY?
In the great words of Captain Kirk: You. Can't. It's. Simply Not. Possible.
You can be fairly sure, but fairly sure is fairly unfair to a fair portion of people who may be innocent. And that is no way to maintain a small community like the one we have.
Do you understand that it is zero problem to judge if someone is doing it on purpose or not? check multiple rounds if he does not bother playing the game - ban.(click to show/hide)
::sigh:: Do you understand the difficulty in PROVING someone is doing this INTENTIONALLY?
In the great words of Captain Kirk: You. Can't. It's. Simply Not. Possible.
You can be fairly sure, but fairly sure is fairly unfair to a fair portion of people who may be innocent. And that is no way to maintain a small community like the one we have.
Do you understand the difficulty in PROVING someone is doing this INTENTIONALLY?
In the great words of Captain Kirk: You. Can't. It's. Simply Not. Possible.
You can be fairly sure, but fairly sure is fairly unfair to a fair portion of people who may be innocent. And that is no way to maintain a small community like the one we have.
what do you mean awkward ?
also thanks for posting the rules again, some people might actually read them now :mrgreen:
Buuut if you combine; "first rule of em all: common sense" & "3) No leeching. If you're away, switch to spectator mode"..Agree. God will is :)
I dont think this should be a rule that admins are monitoring, but if it becomes too apparent it should fall under the category of leeching and thus be punishable.
As I said: die three times in a row as one of the 3 first players, and autokick.
Dying two times this way, then waiting the third round abit until 3 people died, then dying two times this way again: admin kick. Rejoining, doing so again: ban.
Edit: I think there is not much room for interpretations. And no, this cannot be a valid style of playing the game. Even Ninjas try to survive... a bit... :P :lol:
If you read properly, instead of just insulting me, you would have seen that I suggested to deactivate this on lower populations.
And the higher the population is, the bigger is the probability of catching a real leecher. On a 100 man server, how likely can someone die three times in a row as one of the three first players BY ACCIDENT?
And even if this happens, it's only a KICK I suggested, not a ban.
You can never have perfect and absolutely just administration.
And I think with this system you will have one wrong decision on all servers within a week or two. That's acceptable.
They are srs bsns, because if you don't take care of that shit problems will increase with it. One leecher indeed has little effect on your team, but ten WOULD have. So stop defending them.There is no autokick system in place for teamkills.
And if we would follow your perverted logic, we weren't able to kick anyone, because it could be that the teamkill was NOT intended, that the last survivor wasn't just running away, but it was his way of playing, etc.
This is not the perfect world with absolute justice for everyone. You have to handle things as good as you can. 10 bans with 1 unjust decision is acceptable to me, to improve overall gameplay. Also don't forget, that if abuses get punished frequently, less people will abuse, so there will be less kicks/bans and so less undeserved punishments.
all this is just more proof and reason why we shud just get exp for kills and/or effort. not just exp per min so this sort of stuff doesnt happen.IMO all this is just poof and reason to get rid of retirement/heirlooming. It was intended to get rid of tincans, utterly failed in it and now that we have upkeep we don't need it any longer. I know many of you would get mad, but thats my view of things.
IMO all this is just poof and reason to get rid of retirement/heirlooming. It was intended to get rid of tincans, utterly failed in it and now that we have upkeep we don't need it any longer. I know many of you would get mad, but thats my view of things.
In that case, why would anyone play c-rpg instead of native?lol, its funny that you ask, i would never voluntarily retire at lvl 31 if my build isn't faulty. And I play it instead of native because of being able to create different individual chars, overall athmosphere, combat and game improvements (Animations, different/weaker archery, more items, balance by banner, etc.)
I've been leeching alot then :D
Leaching is against the rules but what is the cutoff point.Doing it in every round for multiple days, I would say.
Unless you have several highly experienced and educated lawmakers to make a system of rules which is not easy to abuse, applying common sense, regardless of calls of "admin abuse", is the way. Else you get exploiters devising ways to go around the intent of what the ruleset is trying to achieve, and wannabe internet lawyers defending them.
There is no autokick system in place for teamkills.
'Nuff said.
IMO all this is just poof and reason to get rid of retirement/heirlooming. It was intended to get rid of tincans, utterly failed in it and now that we have upkeep we don't need it any longer. I know many of you would get mad, but thats my view of things.
Please go play an arcade game. Then come back if you start to be bored, and explain why you are bored.
On the subject, I've seen Kesh_BRD and another *_BRD behaving just like that these days. I hope the rules will get a lift so they include a protection against this kind of bot using.
Please go play an arcade game. Then come back if you start to be bored, and explain why you are bored.
On the subject, I've seen Kesh_BRD and another *_BRD behaving just like that these days. I hope the rules will get a lift so they include a protection against this kind of bot using.
Hey can we please have a definite answer written by an Admin, since I help admin the hospitaller servers I would like to know this
I'm done kicking him for AFKing in the spawn. Next time it's a ban.
I've seen 3 or 4 people doing this today, always running towards the enemy every round, randomly swinging and getting killed fast. Nobody got banned of course.
Official Admin Statement: On NA we don't ban for charging the enemy lines and dying quickly.
As far as the Hospitaller server goes, you'll have to ask Devilize.
so wookimonsta banned me becouse he not like me
Yeah, but he doesn't like anyone, so its not like its unfair or bias.
he is biased :) and he should not be an admin
Don't start with that shit, Vicious. Consider yourself lucky anyone here agreed with your position at all. You were obviously doing something that went against the spirit of the game, and is NOT right, whether it is a written rule or not.
My only point was that someone should not be banned for it without specific, direct communication with them informing them that they need to at least TRY to play the game. You have admitted that you're playing other games while charging the enemy lines with autorun. This is botting/leeching.
I was only defending those who have an excuse that COULD be valid. If there is ANY doubt as to whether someone is "guilty" of leeching or not, they should not be banned. I don't want to see people who suck, but enjoy the game, get arbitrarily banned. Since that is not the case with you, you should cease and desist from the admitted leeching, should you be unbanned.
Furthermore, as Goretooth has said, you will be banned on the NA servers if you are seen to be AFK leeching in spawn. If you have to take a piss, I suggest you NOT spawn in until AFTER you return. I hope we can be done with this topic now.
ah sorry you an ATS.And your done.
like i not was expecting you to backcocking one of your mate ,and botting means use of a program, i am still not a program mkay ?
ps: possble that ppl lose theyr opinion and judgment only by sharing a clan tag? look my discussion with xant in this 3d, he is in my clan that non stop me from fighting his ideas. or macking him when is fucking around and be obviously not objective http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2008.105.html
And your done.
or i am supposed to beg, and give him rights becouse i need to be scared about ats?
he is an ats i was surprised if he have not supported you. becouse ppl are too afraid to piss of mates even when they think otherwise. a problem that i not have, becouse i am not lacche of anyone
As I said: die three times in a row as one of the 3 first players, and autokick.
Have you folks ever seen Hospitaler_Kimichi ? Cavalry guy, either naked or dressed as a samurai, never lives longer then 30 seconds....always charges straightforward and dies first.
Maybe all this fuss was made because Vicious is a renown name around here and many people know what he can do, if it was some random noob (like the guy i mentioned above, and many others that actually do it all the time) then none would care about it. That said, i dont see any point in such gameplay, this game enforces teamwork and everyone should try to fulfill his role the best they can, ranged units by taking down their enemies the best they can, shielders by standing in the front lines and fighting, cavalry by taking care of opposition cav and archers, etc.....so just charging and dying in less then 30 secs can not really be considered as helping your team, even if you make a few lucky spam kills in the way. If its your last round or something then yeah, go kill yourself so you can leave the game in peace but if you do it for multiple rounds in a row then its pointless, youre taking a slot that someone else might use, someone who would actually participate in battle and enjoy his time.
Ofc there should be warnings before bans, in case people are unable to use common sense. I say unban Vicious and add a sentence about situations like this under the rules section.
On another note, Kesh said something like "Its my right to charge and die if i please so, rather then camping or standing in formation, or shit like that....". This whole mod is a mess atm, maps are overplayed and unbalanced and there are many people who think this way, but dear Kesh you of all people should know a thing or two about camping and shooting down helpless people. I as well sometimes rage about the number of archers in this mod, people are just used to playing this like a shooter and there is no way of changing their minds, runing around for 3 minutes only to be filled with numerous arrows from all sides is very frustrating, now when youve experienced it yourself youre also frustrated and you rather choose to just run strait and get shot then trying to do something else (which might benefit your team more) and still get shot, before you succeed. Its sad to see that 80% of people use some kind of ranged weaponry, its even more sad to see that out of 10 last survivors on the battlefield at least 7 are archers. Ive made some suggestions about things that should be changed (and i didnt cry for archery nerf at all) but it was mostly axed down, people prefer having hordes of roof camping bundle of stickss and playing a sharpshooting "battles" rather then having (nearly) full infantry/cavalry battles so.....just go with it, back to your archery and do what you do best: camp some roof and snipe down the poor runners and horses, from the opposite corner of the map, before they even engage the fight. Enjoy your cRPG archery contest.
Edit: the Kesh reply is off-topic, i clearly doubt he charges because of leeching, i think its more related to frustration of not being able to do much by standing with the team, he feels its a waste of time, and he is right. In the end youre gonna get shot anyways so why not do it right away and continue watching the movie on TV ?
I agree with most of your post Sir "Handsome" Gnjus :mrgreen:
Just have to say that vicious was previously pretty much unknown to me.
I saw the name from time to time but wasn't aware that he is special.
It took most of this thread to realize that :P
no actually i was here from the beginning - stopped playing and came back some weeks ago.
also what you don't get is that insulting everyone because you're butthurt might have consequences like bans on servers where those people are admins...
butthurt? i play on other server i dont given a fuck about emo admin, teen ager. they dont deserve to be admin , admin should be fair not base bans on theyr friendlist.
and i not remember you mister beginning. so there is 2 choice
a) you where so bad that none notice you
b) what a surprise you lie
butthurt? i play on other server i dont given a fuck about emo admin, teen ager. they dont deserve to be admin , admin should be fair not base bans on theyr friendlist.
and i not remember you mister beginning. so there is 2 choice
a) you where so bad that none notice you
b) what a surprise you lie
Well atleast he isnt known for being bad, like yourself mister. :wink:
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that was fun lisa :O
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You can reach lvl31 in one week? O_O
Merc friends to the rescue! :!:
+1
There is only one point is disagree (next to a small little tiny unimportant detail I will mention later): If you are frustrated by being shot early, it is NOT okay to charge straight ahead to be shot immediately. Why?
You play Warband to fight and to kill people.
The ranged spam in cRPG prevents some (pure meele build) players of doing so.
Now if they just charge straight ahead to die, they probably don't do what the idea of the game is.
Now why should they even join a server if they can't do what they want or they are supposed to do (as you listed up nicely)?
The answer is: they do it as it still brings money and XP.
Summary: they don't play properly, they are only there to earn money and XP.
That's leeching, in my opinion. It's not that severe like the no-lifer leeching on purpose of Vicious, as they basically WANT to play, but get frustrated, but it's definitely leeching. Though, I agree, those people should not be punished, but taken care of by the developers (by making the game fairer for them).
I don't know what Kimichi tries to achieve, but I bet he can only benefit of being prevented of charging headlessly every round. :wink: :lol:
And now the tiny little detail I disagree: cavalry is NOT supposed to fight enemy cav. I know that it's done this way on most maps for some reason, but in fact you will always win if your cavalry will concentrate more on enemy archers and, as soon as the big meele has started, the enemy infantry (which should be distracted at that point). This, of course, requires patience from the cav players, which most don't have.
It's the horse archers who are supposed to actively fight enemy cavalry. With their weak shooting capabilities (concerning damage, I mean) killing those (big target) horses with few HP and armour is the most effective thing they can do.
I guess most Mercs can reach it in one day. Since when Mte is an admin? Also, ban Fallen_Tomahawked, too, I cant say I like him.
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Guilty until proven innocent!
That's obviously how justice works, in game and in life.