So botting/semi-afk leeching is fine?

[bruce]

Last I heard rule #1 is "use common sense".

[Meow]

what             do    you          mean          awkward    ?

also thanks for posting the rules again, some people might actually read them for the first time now

[Babelfish]

what             do    you          mean          awkward    ?

also thanks for posting the rules again, some people might actually read them now 

Buuut if you combine; "first rule of em all: common sense" & "3) No leeching. If you're away, switch to spectator mode"..

I dont think this should be a rule that admins are monitoring, but if it becomes too apparent it should fall under the category of leeching and thus be punishable. 

[bredeus]

Buuut if you combine; "first rule of em all: common sense" & "3) No leeching. If you're away, switch to spectator mode"..

I dont think this should be a rule that admins are monitoring, but if it becomes too apparent it should fall under the category of leeching and thus be punishable.

Agree. God will is

[Joker86]

As I said: die three times in a row as one of the 3 first players, and autokick.

Dying two times this way, then waiting the third round abit until 3 people died, then dying two times this way again: admin kick. Rejoining, doing so again: ban.

Edit: I think there is not much room for interpretations. And no, this cannot be a valid style of playing the game. Even Ninjas try to survive... a bit... 

[Freland]

As I said: die three times in a row as one of the 3 first players, and autokick.

Dying two times this way, then waiting the third round abit until 3 people died, then dying two times this way again: admin kick. Rejoining, doing so again: ban.

Edit: I think there is not much room for interpretations. And no, this cannot be a valid style of playing the game. Even Ninjas try to survive... a bit... 

Not a good idea because people would be innocently kicked on small servers (population <20).

[Joker86]

Well, just disable this autokick-feature on smaller populations.

And even on a 6 vs 6 it's suspicious to die as one of the first three players on three rounds in a row. I think.  (Of COURSE there can be a lot of other reasons, e.g. being peasant, having bad luck or just being a very aggressive meele character, but it can also be leeching. And I think from all those possible scenarios the leeching is the one with the highest probability.)

[Xant]

That's a retarded suggestion, Joker. "There are many other reasons, but it /could/ be leeching!! SO BAN JUST TO BE SURE!"

[Joker86]

If you read properly, instead of just insulting me, you would have seen that I suggested to deactivate this on lower populations.

And the higher the population is, the bigger is the probability of catching a real leecher. On a 100 man server, how likely can someone die three times in a row as one of the three first players BY ACCIDENT?

And even if this happens, it's only a KICK I suggested, not a ban.

[Xant]

If you read properly, instead of just insulting me, you would have seen that I suggested to deactivate this on lower populations.

And the higher the population is, the bigger is the probability of catching a real leecher. On a 100 man server, how likely can someone die three times in a row as one of the three first players BY ACCIDENT?

And even if this happens, it's only a KICK I suggested, not a ban.

How likely? Not very likely. Possible? Yes, very possible.

[Joker86]

You can never have perfect and absolutely just administration.

And I think with this system you will have one wrong decision on all servers within a week or two. That's acceptable.

[Xant]

You can never have perfect and absolutely just administration.

And I think with this system you will have one wrong decision on all servers within a week or two. That's acceptable.

Seriously now, dude. We're talking about leechers. You're acting like they're srs bsns, and it's worth kicking legit players over that shit. It's not. Let the admins handle the leechers. Or fuck, just drop the whole leeching rule, I don't care if my team has leechers.

[Joker86]

They are srs bsns, because if you don't take care of that shit problems will increase with it. One leecher indeed has little effect on your team, but ten WOULD have. So stop defending them.

And if we would follow your perverted logic, we weren't able to kick anyone, because it could be that the teamkill was NOT intended, that the last survivor wasn't just running away, but it was his way of playing, etc.

This is not the perfect world with absolute justice for everyone. You have to handle things as good as you can. 10 bans with 1 unjust decision is acceptable to me, to improve overall gameplay. Also don't forget, that if abuses get punished frequently, less people will abuse, so there will be less kicks/bans and so less undeserved punishments.

[Meow]

i agree that we don't need an autokick for this although Xant's attempt with the serious business just fails.
it's game no one cares if the leechers can play there are enough other players.
just give us a ruling about this so we can all stop talking about this and if it is ok or not...

[bruce]

Unless you have several highly experienced and educated lawmakers to make a system of rules which is not easy to abuse, applying common sense, regardless of calls of "admin abuse", is the way. Else you get exploiters devising ways to go around the intent of what the ruleset is trying to achieve, and wannabe internet lawyers defending them.