So botting/semi-afk leeching is fine?

[Meow]

where did you vicious get the idea that nolifing two games at the same time is something people could be jealous of?
it's sad 

also you might want to cut down on the admin insults especially in the ban thread.

[justme]

can any admin answer is this allowed??

[Leshma]

It should be since it's not fully automated aka script aka bot. In every other mod besides c-rpg this little trick with auto movement (forward + chat button) has no meaning because there isn't anything to farm. In previous version of this mod it also was pointless because to gain XP you had to be part of the huge crowd.

I would like to point out that I made one such thread but the "suspect" in that case was Kesh_BRD. I made mistake thinking it's a bot, didn't know game mechanics supports botting. No one cared back then, dunno why all the fuss now. Actually Kesh did take notice of that little thread of mine and stopped doing it blatantly and started to fight a bit before he drops dead.

Somehow I have a feeling that everyone is gonna "suffer" because of this incident. I already see chadz removing retirement bonus and heirlooms rather than fixing the issue, because it's really hard to fix it without changing whole reward system once again.

[Belmont]

[...]fixing the issue, because it's really hard to fix it without changing whole reward system once again.

I disagree, making this offense a permanent ban would easily stop people from doing it also get rid of any that continue to do so. I consider this "tactic" much worse than leeching and I am looking forward to see an official rule regarding it soon.

[Meow]

what mr. my face is my shield said 

[Vicious666]

You obviously didn't apply the common sense. Babelfish posted a definition of leeching earlier in this thread, discussion was already held on that topic. Also, you can call it whatever you want, it still doesn't change the fact that you weren't fighting back, just dying (multiple people said that, while only you and your clanmate are the opposition to them and you calling all of them lairs because their "gealus noobs" obviously doesn't give a lot to your creditability).

you clearly have problem on reading.

not only merc give me rights.   you need to read the entire 3d than reply, so you make a better figure.   

if i not attack back how i was 2/6 ?        i killed them by farting?

[Meow]

you clearly have problem on reading.

ahahahaha that - from you?

also you must have forgotten the part that you were 0/4 before i started complaining about it so that argument just does not hold.

[Vicious666]

ahahahaha that - from you?

also you must have forgotten the part that you were 0/4 before i started complaining about it so that argument just does not hold.

grow up you must be a teen-ager whiner sucker with a lot of time to spend in argument that none CARE ABOUT.
get a girl, fuck sometimes,      becouse internet made you mad.   


this xp system is retarded and promote passive income, instead active like was in past,    i am not going againt the writed rule, so you can continue whine how much you like

[Meow]

yeah i am the one here who has no life.
i forgot mr. gen16

also you think random insulting people makes you a grown up or something?
not that i care but you're making a fool of yourself.

[Nemeth]

No point in arguing with you. You are banned and hopefully won't get unbanned anytime soon. I think this thread provides enough materials for admins to think about why players like you should be banned. You are deliberately trying to find holes in the system and abuse them.

PS: You are still talking about ONE round, yet you were reported for doing it several rounds, even maps in a row. Just because the last round you went 2/6 (probably after Mte warne you via skype/ts/vent that someone actually noticed your strange behaviour), doesnt mean you shouldnt be banned for the times you were doing it before.

[Heroin]

I disagree, making this offense a permanent ban would easily stop people from doing it also get rid of any that continue to do so.

::sigh:: Do you understand the difficulty in PROVING someone is doing this INTENTIONALLY?

In the great words of Captain Kirk: You. Can't. It's. Simply Not. Possible.

You can be fairly sure, but fairly sure is fairly unfair to a fair portion of people who may be innocent. And that is no way to maintain a small community like the one we have.

[Belmont]

::sigh:: Do you understand the difficulty in PROVING someone is doing this INTENTIONALLY?

In the great words of Captain Kirk: You. Can't. It's. Simply Not. Possible.

You can be fairly sure, but fairly sure is fairly unfair to a fair portion of people who may be innocent. And that is no way to maintain a small community like the one we have.

When you see someone running against a huge mob a few maps in a row and not even fighting back(or rarely) I believe it is very clear. However, it is true that it will be hard to properly police but a rule for this kind of behavior is required.

[Meow]

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::sigh:: Do you understand the difficulty in PROVING someone is doing this INTENTIONALLY?

In the great words of Captain Kirk: You. Can't. It's. Simply Not. Possible.

You can be fairly sure, but fairly sure is fairly unfair to a fair portion of people who may be innocent. And that is no way to maintain a small community like the one we have.

Do you understand that it is zero problem to judge if someone is doing it on purpose or not? check multiple rounds if he does not bother playing the game - ban.
we're really turning in circles here.
it's not like people are supposed to be banned for failing at the game but for playing like a bot.
there is a huge difference.
people who try to play at least turn and change directions from time to time you know.
although the last bot i saw did that on it's own the pattern was pretty clear so no way there is any room for banning the wrong people.

also he openly admitted to the fact that he is exploiting the system which in itself should be a banable offense as he is aware of the fact that what he is doing is wrong just not controlled by any rule.

[Camaris]

::sigh:: Do you understand the difficulty in PROVING someone is doing this INTENTIONALLY?

In the great words of Captain Kirk: You. Can't. It's. Simply Not. Possible.

You can be fairly sure, but fairly sure is fairly unfair to a fair portion of people who may be innocent. And that is no way to maintain a small community like the one we have.

Kirk is wrong. You can... often enough i see people doing this for maps... they easily can be banned. They easily can be detected. You easily can see that it is intentional.
Or do you think they run into foes not fighting 10 times in a row by accident?

Tbh if someone is exploiting this for several maps he should get a 1 day ban at first then a 1 week ban and then everytime again a 1 month ban not only for that server but too for every other and strategus.

[Joker86]

Do you understand the difficulty in PROVING someone is doing this INTENTIONALLY?

In the great words of Captain Kirk: You. Can't. It's. Simply Not. Possible.

You can be fairly sure, but fairly sure is fairly unfair to a fair portion of people who may be innocent. And that is no way to maintain a small community like the one we have.

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"first rule of em all: common sense"
    ~ chadz

I) General rules
1) No abuse of in-game chat (racism, insulting, griefing...)
2) No random kick/ban polls. Always specify reason before starting the poll
 - OK: poll-kicking a leecher
 - OK: poll-kicking an intentional teamkiller
 - NOT OK: poll-kicking someone who involuntarily hurt you
 - NOT OK: poll-kicking someone because you don't like his playstyle

II) Battle mode and Strategus Battle mode specific rules
1) No intentional teamwounding/teamkilling
2) No drawing/delaying the round on purpose (i.e. running away or camping unreachable places as last man standing)
3) No leeching. If you're away, switch to spectator mode
4) Glitching is allowed, being an asshat isn't
 - OK: hiding (e.g. in the hay)
 - NOT OK: hiding when last man standing (to force a draw)
 - OK: using a ladder to reach a roof that can't be reached normally
 - OK: camping unreachable places in the middle of the round
 - NOT OK: camping unreachable places when last man standing (to force a draw)
 - NOT OK: exploiting invisible barriers
 - NOT OK: going out of map bounds (if you can see unfinished parts of the map, then you should not be there)
 - NOT OK: ladderpulting

III) Duel mode specific rules
1) All types of duels are allowed (ranged, mounted, shield, heavy armor...) if both duelists agree
2) No weapon changing after the duel has started, unless agreed by both duelists
 - NOT OK: Offering/accepting a duel with a sword, then switching to ranged weapon
 - NOT OK: Offering/accepting a duel with a shield on your back, then using it
 - NOT OK: Picking up weapons/shields mid-duel
3) No following or face-hugging the other duelist before the duel countdown has ran out - either hold your starting position or back-pedal if you want some distance between you and your opponent
4) No running away or going into unreachable places

IIII) Siege mode specific rules
1) No intentional teamwounding/teamkilling
2) No opening the gates as defender
3) No stopping on ladders and blocking your team-mates on purpose
4) Glitching is allowed, being an asshat isn't (see above for examples)

These rules apply to all EU servers.
Breaking a rule may net you a warning, kick or ban at admin discretion (depending on severity of rule broken and player history).
If you think you should be unbanned post here (read the first post and follow the rules).

Thanks to Finished for writing most of it.

When was a teamkill intended? I happened to intentionally teamkill the same guy twice in two rounds. Fortunately no admin was on, and I spammed the chat with apologizes and he forgave me, but imagine my problems explaining this was unintended!

When do you have insulting or griefing? What is delaying a round on purpose? Is an archer with 0PS but 8ATH allowed to play his class by creating some distance between him and his opponent?

It is ALWAYS a question of personal admin decision. I would say a nice rule would be: if your are continuously among the first three guys who die in a round, then you are probably leeching. I would even implement an autokick function. If you call this playing the game your (=Rambo) style, then you have to accept that this style is not gladly seen by your teammates.

@Vicious: the rule you claim that didn't exist yet and you got punished for is the first, most important one, set up by the makes of the mod: common sense! What you do there is pure leeching, a few alibi-kills can't change that.

And another plea: please press the space bar only once between two words. This looks really awkward