So botting/semi-afk leeching is fine?

[Heroin]

Ill define leecing it for you: "a person playing an online game who a) joins a team, group, or guild and goes AFK for undeterminded amounts of time to gain money or experience without putting any effort forth, b) leaves his/her workload for others to pick up, and/or c) begs and asks for free things and hand outs from other high level players."

In that case, it doesn't sound like he was leeching to me.
1. He wasn't AFK that anyone can prove.
2. His "workload" is an arbitrary judgment call that no fallible human being can define.
3. There has been no mention of him asking for a handout.

[Nemeth]

In that case, it doesn't sound like he was leeching to me.
1. He wasn't AFK that anyone can prove.
2. His "workload" is an arbitrary judgment call that no fallible human being can define.
3. There has been no mention of him asking for a handout.

Your answer bares the marks of a troll, unless you really believe that pressing w+t at the start of a round is an effort.

[Stormcrow]

You could kick or ban for douchebaggery which I think most servers have in the rules


Douchebaggery- The philosophy held by douchebags, holding that no one other than themselves (or perhaps their close associates) matters in the least bit, and thus that other human beings can and should be treated like complete excrement for little or no reason (and often for selfish reasons). Closely related to fascism, which has been practiced by control freaks such as albert einstein.

[Babelfish]

In that case, it doesn't sound like he was leeching to me.
1. He wasn't AFK that anyone can prove.
2. His "workload" is an arbitrary judgment call that no fallible human being can define.
3. There has been no mention of him asking for a handout.

Technically he was probably not AFK, but neither was he present ingame. Although i do wish for this to be a offense worthy of the ban-hammer(24hours), it could lead to vague admin decisions and result in even more 'admin abooze threads', which i think the community is getting tired of.

If chadz were to remove the 'end-round-sound' this kind of leeching would not be so rewarding.

[[ptx]]

I completely agree with the above post. This was basically my response to this whole thing.
More room for vague, highly bias-able admin decisions and the naturally resulting shitstorm in forums with people complaining about "admin abooz" is the thing this mod needs the least right now.

[Heroin]

I completely agree with the above post. This was basically my response to this whole thing.
More room for vague, highly bias-able admin decisions and the naturally resulting shitstorm in forums with people complaining about "admin abooz" is the thing this mod needs the least right now.

This was my point all along. I agree.

EDIT: @ Nemeth: Yes, I was trolling a bit. But with good intent. The point I was attempting to make was that when you rigidly define a rule, it is easy to argue that the rule is not being broken simply by following the letter of the law rather than the spirit. On the other hand, if you make a rule too vague and broad, there is too much judgment placed on the shoulders of admins who will inevitably be accused of bias and/or abuse, whether they are guilty of it or not.

[Meow]

how can this lead to vague admin decisions?
leeching = 1day ban
there is no rule change.
it's freaking commonsense.

he did act like a bot for at least 4 rounds and it was obvious.
also he tried to conceal afk leeching with it AND it was not the first time...
why are we still going on about this being a problematic rule?
if people are botting or behaving like bots for multiple rounds then hell yeah they should be banned.

[Nemeth]

Alibism is a great thing, isn't it.

Being admin =/= being popular. If you don't wanna make decision because you're afraid of being flamed on the forum, then you seriously need to reconsider your decision of becoming an admin. This "shitstorm that is the last thing this community needs" is just a bullshit. Noone cares about those threads, there will always be people seeing admin abuse everywhere, then there are those, who follow the rules and have no problem with admins whatsoever.

[Ganon]

Wow people still discussing this. Meow even saw him doing some kills, so he wasn't afk (unless you want us to believe vicious can kill while being afk). Someone who plays not to his full potential is not leeching, he's just playing in a more relaxed way. Meow your name offends me, at least rename to Meowth. Maybe someone should ban you until you change your name. (well admins are mature enough to not start a admin war, but there's always hoping just kidding). You know, Meowth, don't rape his name

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[justme]

i wanna hear admins what they decided is it ok or not? if yes, im gonna start doing that..

[Vicious666]

Your answer bares the marks of a troll, unless you really believe that pressing w+t at the start of a round is an effort.

i made some kills

so ? is all made by w+t? :O 

[Vicious666]

how can this lead to vague admin decisions?
leeching = 1day ban
there is no rule change.
it's freaking commonsense.

he did act like a bot for at least 4 rounds and it was obvious.
also he tried to conceal afk leeching with it AND it was not the first time...
why are we still going on about this being a problematic rule?
if people are botting or behaving like bots for multiple rounds then hell yeah they should be banned.

find me where is writed that i cant suicide  to enemy team. and i will follow that rule.

otherwise  STFU




ps: as soon fallen  tomafailhawk,     started talk about me, i answered him in      chat in game,     so AFK my dick.     

[Meow]

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Wow people still discussing this. Meow even saw him doing some kills, so he wasn't afk (unless you want us to believe vicious can kill while being afk). Someone who plays not to his full potential is not leeching, he's just playing in a more relaxed way. Meow your name offends me, at least rename to Meowth. Maybe someone should ban you until you change your name. (well admins are mature enough to not start a admin war, but there's always hoping just kidding). You know, Meowth, don't rape his name

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fail?
also pokemon sucks.

and vicious i only reported it on irc because you did not respond to me at all.

i don't really care about this anymore but i want a clarification on this behavior because if it is allowed i will as justme said just do it all the time

actually i think a lot of people will do it all the time
some awesome bots will appear, with a decent macro software you can actually check if someone writes your name in chat and auto reply some random trash to it.
hell this will be a whole new game.

[Vicious666]

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you are a liar

i answered you in chat

not more than 20 seconds after you writed about me






i even explained  that i rush enemy team , the truth is that i am a merC_ i have shitload of gen, you are gelous whiner noob,         followed by an admin, who banned me with no proof,  no evidence, no rule infraction,  no explanation,     he is an na admin, not even eu,       and well know for ban ppl     only becouse he enjoy do that, probably becouse       is only way for boost his small ego.    since in game sux.

there is not even an official request, of ban,    and the infraction NOT EVEN EXIST, still not  decided by admin group if is an infraction or not.   

and rules are never retroactive.


this is what i call ABUSE,    whiner,   and gelous ppl.   




ps: gettalife,       you and the admin. i saw shitload of afk ppl, naked ppl, i not come even to my mind to join an irc chat, spend 5 min of my life for report, them..........but i think you have    something to whine in particular  vs me ,  becouse i am sure if the guy  was      someone "unknow" you not even  bothered to get 2 min for report him

[Meow]

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you are a liar

i answered you in chat

not more than 20 seconds after you writed about me






i even explained  that i rush enemy team , the truth is that i am a merC_ i have shitload of gen, you are gelous whiner noob,         followed by an admin, who banned me with no proof,  no evidence, no rule infraction,  no explanation,     he is an na admin, not even eu,       and well know for ban ppl     only becouse he enjoy do that, probably becouse       is only way for boost his small ego.    since in game sux.

there is not even an official request, of ban,    and the infraction NOT EVEN EXIST, still not  decided by admin group if is an infraction or not.   

and rules are never retroactive.


this is what i call ABUSE,    whiner,   and gelous ppl.   

way to rage dude.

i do not care about your gen nor if you are a merc or what ever other reason you can find.

i explained the situation and what you did.
if you lack the commonsense to understand that autorunning into the enemy to die is not helping your team and you still do it because there is no rule preventing it i would say you are the one here who needs an ego boost by mindless grinding to fulfill your addiction.

So can we get an offical answere on this? to end the discussion?