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cRPG => Game Admin Feedback => Topic started by: Kreczor on October 07, 2011, 03:08:33 pm

Title: [Global] Shik
Post by: Kreczor on October 07, 2011, 03:08:33 pm
Shik is a good admin and doesn't afraid of anything.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 07, 2011, 03:09:25 pm
Terribadiffic
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: nuffen on October 07, 2011, 04:14:26 pm
Cute girl <3
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 07, 2011, 05:57:49 pm
Shik made me Admin...

I want you to think on that before you post. Sit on that thought for a few minutes.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: LLJK_Goatee on October 09, 2011, 07:21:14 am
Shiku is the dreamiest
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Earthdforce on October 09, 2011, 07:24:09 am
Shik made me Admin...

I want you to think on that before you post. Sit on that thought for a few minutes.
He also made me admin, now think on that thought :P.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Darkkarma on October 10, 2011, 01:12:16 am
shik killed na server badmins
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: kukufarikki on October 10, 2011, 03:20:03 am
shik killed na server badmins
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 10, 2011, 06:37:00 am
shik killed na server badmins

Lies, I am still very much at large.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Anwyl on October 10, 2011, 08:09:09 am
Hmm
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Jacko on October 12, 2011, 01:03:18 pm
No, no, damn fanboys.

Shik is Silly.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Qilidj_Arslan on October 17, 2011, 07:55:30 am
Shik is always attacking the virgin when I play DTV. This behavior is not acceptable from a head administrator.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: nuffen on October 17, 2011, 10:35:37 am
Shik is my favorite female admin :D
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Xant on October 17, 2011, 11:37:19 am
shik knows his great wall of china shit
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Ujin on October 17, 2011, 05:53:47 pm
One day, i'll kill Shik's family.




Watch you back, Shik.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Blackzilla on October 20, 2011, 05:20:41 am
Without him.... Well I don't know what will happen.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on October 20, 2011, 07:44:50 am
Shik is kewl.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Lordark on December 01, 2011, 07:21:29 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUFxKUsW0nE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUFxKUsW0nE)


If your gonna reset strat battles let both parties know at the same time.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Gomer on December 01, 2011, 07:32:35 am
I actualy like him I talk to him in IRC I never see him in game not counting strat. Half these people say they like him to wet his dick and try to get admin. I say I like him because I would wet his dick if he wasn't an admin. Cool guy IDK about admin cause I never see in game lolz
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: karasu on December 03, 2011, 04:04:15 pm
My favorite japanese.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Gomer on December 04, 2011, 12:05:08 pm
He also made me admin, now think on that thought :P.

He should make me admin. Sit On that!
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Xerdena on December 04, 2011, 09:01:34 pm
what the shik?

 8-)
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Gomer on December 10, 2011, 08:53:13 am
Yeah Im like every cRPG player. I rage intill something good happens to me. "AUTO BALANCE SUCKS,RANGE OP,CAV OP,MOD DEAD,SO MANY TROLLS"
They get a times 5.... "Wow I took 5 arrows maybe it isn't OP, My teams won 23rounds in a row maybe autobalance rocks, Cav is only good on certain maps, Wow those trolls are great they made a sige tower the entire last round and all died because they were unarmed"

cRPG players are whiney bitches.... God I love this game!

...... Meow is better!
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Siiem on December 10, 2011, 10:42:05 am
Shik sucks, big time. Fix it god dammit!
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Darkkarma on December 10, 2011, 04:51:25 pm
"Retard the server"
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tydeus on December 23, 2011, 04:12:15 am
My favorite japanese.
Shikuuuuu~ ^________________^
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Gomer on January 09, 2012, 08:00:58 am
Shikuuuuu~ ^________________^
Shik you?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Anwyl on January 14, 2012, 08:49:44 pm
We have an admin feedback thread for someone that never admins?

Since when?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Gomer on January 15, 2012, 03:28:29 am
We have an admin feedback thread for someone that never admins?

Since when?
Good Point.....
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 08, 2012, 11:59:47 pm
Currently not satisfied with how you no longer have public behavior standards for your admins, where as before they were very strict standards, it feels like they no longer exist.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Darkkarma on March 09, 2012, 01:00:38 am
Agreed actually. Being an admin doesn't mean you have to play with a stick up your ass, but I must say, even have found the conduct of some admins temperamental at best and childish at worst.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Muki on March 14, 2012, 04:22:25 am
Good admin even through he not on the servers alot one msg through the irc and he there in a heart beat
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Winterly on July 22, 2012, 04:56:40 am
I would kiss him on the cheek if I could. Super helpful! :D
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: LordBerenger on July 22, 2012, 08:52:27 am
Reason Shik keeps so low profile is because.... Shiku is the admin CRPG deserves, but not the one it needs right now.  So, we'll spam his inbox, because he can take it. Because he's not our admin. He's a silent lawmaker. A watchful protector. A Weaboo!
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Winterly on July 23, 2012, 04:25:42 am
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 ....i was wrong.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: LordBerenger on July 23, 2012, 04:47:01 am
You better get away from Shiky as past as possible. Unless you would like to be main course.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: _Tak_ on August 08, 2012, 03:47:59 pm
Shik banned me on IRC for being annoying lol, he is very smart and cool. I wonder why all NA admin's admin level always stay the same, while EU admins can level up to 5 star...just saying
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Korgoth on August 08, 2012, 04:18:56 pm
I went onto NA2 and Shik said "Welcome to NA, Korgoth". Therefore I like him.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tore on November 19, 2012, 06:58:29 pm
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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Mae. on November 25, 2012, 11:09:27 pm
thank you for not being a biased idiot. i lurv yew.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: tortoul on November 30, 2012, 08:39:24 am
hey. i've been posting in multiaccouters' unban thred, but there'no answer for 2 weeks.
so i write to you. i'm not begging to unban me, i recognize my fault (ofcrse it would be supagood if u unban me), i'm just asking for respond.

i've shared accounts and got banned. i concede i did wrong, and i'll never do that again. i'm not a multiaccounter
i ask to unban me
STR_tortoul
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Blackzilla on November 30, 2012, 11:42:21 pm
hey. i've been posting in multiaccouters' unban thred, but there'no answer for 2 weeks.
so i write to you. i'm not begging to unban me, i recognize my fault (ofcrse it would be supagood if u unban me), i'm just asking for respond.
Shik will probably take longer to respond than the Devs in that thread! lol
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: tortoul on December 01, 2012, 02:36:52 am
Shik will probably take longer to respond than the Devs in that thread! lol
u're right, man. i'm not talking about Shik particulary: dont know who banned me, but he banned me withowt any investigation. and now when i want to explai the situation i have no respond from admins. one is a complete jerk (i even wonder how old is he). and after this who ever tells me these guys are not biased, i say "hell NO"
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Artyem on December 05, 2012, 07:55:34 am
To avoid making too big of a deal, I'd simply like to share some information with anyone who reads this thread:

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After a battle that went something like this:

We attack
They Reinforce
We're out numbered, out geared, out manned and I'm not really in a great state of mind right now, thus making my leadership skills pretty much ineffective.  (or simply put, I'm shit at tactical leadership)

To add on to this, our spawn was in a valley and theirs was on a mountain.

Anyway, the inevitable happened and we lost.  I congratulated them on their win (considering I have nothing against any of them personally, more or so upset against the lack of admins that observe battles) and was greeted with "get fucked nerds".

I later held a conversation with him:

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Shik, I didn't want to make any drama out of this but your lack of maturity leaves me in quite the pickle.  I don't like making huge drama posts yet I feel there's no other method to go about taking care of this.  Say what you will about me, but I don't support Shik's administrative position as I feel as though an admin should hold more responsibility and be more mature with their decisions.  I've tried to talk to Shik to settle any harsh feelings without drawing any drama or attention to the subject, yet it always ends with him trolling.

I've got more I could share, but to avoid making this any bigger than it needs to be I'll let admins request it if they feel it necessary.

P.S.

For clarification, I'm not FCC, Dracul is not affiliated with FCC and we do not condone the actions of random mercenaries.  In other words,  I'm expecting quite the shit storm of hypocrisy to hit this thread shortly.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tears of Destiny on December 05, 2012, 08:00:42 am
I would like to point out that the "Game Admin Feedback" forum is merely a placebo for people to feel better, as it really serves no purpose. Most Feedback should be directed to the person in question in private and see if they agree or disagree, beyond that your energy and time will be wasted.


Only devs remove game admins and only when they personally see fit, and only overlords may remove devs and that will never happen for minor misconduct incidents whether real or imagined.


This is a privately run organization and as such naturally operates like a Good ol' Boys network.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 05, 2012, 08:19:05 am
For clarification, I'm not FCC, Dracul is not affiliated with FCC and we do not condone the actions of random mercenaries.

Im sure you attacked us on your own accord.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on December 05, 2012, 02:39:32 pm
Im sure you attacked us on your own accord.

With their own gear as well.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Artyem on December 05, 2012, 06:11:50 pm
I think you're both forgetting that this is game admin feedback, what you're talking about should be in Diplomacy or Strategus General, thanks.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on December 05, 2012, 06:57:15 pm
I think you're both forgetting that this is game admin feedback, what you're talking about should be in Diplomacy or Strategus General, thanks.

And what exactly does shik saying get fucked nerds have to do with his admining? Its not like he wrote it in admin chat.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Darkkarma on December 05, 2012, 07:11:58 pm
Words hurt, egan.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on December 05, 2012, 07:29:10 pm
Words hurt, egan.

Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tears of Destiny on December 05, 2012, 07:31:05 pm
And what exactly does shik saying get fucked nerds have to do with his admining? Its not like he wrote it in admin chat.


Probably has something to do with his responses on IRC as an admin when game concerns are raised.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Shik on December 05, 2012, 07:40:00 pm
get fucked nerds
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Fuma Kotaro on December 05, 2012, 08:44:51 pm
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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Artyem on December 05, 2012, 09:03:13 pm

Probably has something to do with his responses on IRC as an admin when game concerns are raised.

This, he takes things that one clan does and takes it out on innocent bystanders that are just trying to get information.  Every time I've talked to him it's pretty much just been him accusing me and others of random bullshit and throwing a rage at people for little to no reason.

Also keep in mind that I'm just sharing my opinion on the matter, as Shik has taken a lot of heat and has been involved in a lot of drama lately I felt like it would just stack up if I made another thread about the same thing other people have complained about.  So I figured this would be the best place to make my official statement and then leave it at that.

P.S. If any of you Hero Party fellows wish to speak with me about strategus, you're very welcome to come talk to me in TS or send me a private message over the forums.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: In Cauda Venenum on December 18, 2012, 03:30:24 am
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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 18, 2012, 03:34:55 am
Let the drama begin.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on December 18, 2012, 03:37:00 am
Shik has repeatedly used derogatory slurs in admin chat in game.  It has become so common and offensive.  i know I personally lost my adminship because i had a character named zulu_donkeybulge.  I would hope that Shik would be reprimanded and temporarily lose his adminship for calling people regularly fa**ots.  I understand that shik needs to compensate for his own small size, but his terms are not appropriate - especially through admin chat.

http://i.imgur.com/2QXdR.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/2QXdR.jpg)



Someone who is too unoriginal to come up with a scathing and witty insult and must result to derogatory slurs - for example a real insult might be "you are so inept that we reghularly make fun of how bad you are in-game, you top the charts for who we laugh at for just being so god-awful at archery.  we refuse to ever hire you for a strat fight because you are lucky if you get 2-30 score with mw equipment."  - that is an insult - calling people fa**ots is just the mark of a small bigoted mind that should never be in a position of responsibility.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Blackzilla on December 18, 2012, 03:39:14 am
Shik has repeatedly used derogatory slurs in admin chat in game.  It has become so common and offensive.  i know I personally lost my adminship because i had a character named zulu_donkeybulge.  I would hope that Shik would be reprimanded and temporarily lose his adminship for calling people regularly fa**ots.  I understand that shik needs to compensate for his own small size, but his terms are not appropriate - especially through admin chat.

http://i.imgur.com/2QXdR.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/2QXdR.jpg)
Uh-oh, did someone hurt your feelings on the internet?

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MY new sig.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Xol! on December 18, 2012, 03:39:32 am
^ that's obviously a shopped screenshot as part of a conspiracy to discredit Shik.

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Blackzilla on December 18, 2012, 03:43:14 am
^ that's obviously a shopped screenshot as part of a conspiracy to discredit Shik.

(click to show/hide)
Can you crop it? So I can make the non-photoshopped one my sig?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on December 18, 2012, 03:43:51 am
Shik has repeatedly used derogatory slurs in admin chat in game.  It has become so common and offensive.  i know I personally lost my adminship because i had a character named zulu_donkeybulge.

Weird, I always thought it was because you were a terrible admin.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on December 18, 2012, 03:45:30 am
^ that's obviously a shopped screenshot as part of a conspiracy to discredit Shik.

(click to show/hide)

How do you shop the screenshot like that of the in-game typing and so quickly???  Kind of impressive actually.  not sure why you bother defending shik just because he is in your faction (xol JUST left hero party less han 2 weeks a go) - everyone knows how much of a crony he is - always have to ban him from ts he is so desperate to be liked.

Egan - i was only admin for a week - had no time to see how i could do - lost it do to the character name
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Blackzilla on December 18, 2012, 03:46:19 am
How do you shop the screenshot like that of the in-game typing and so quickly???  Kind of impressive actually.  not sure why you bother defending shik just because he is in your faction - everyone knows how much of a crony he is - always have to ban him from ts he is so desperate to be liked.
wat? Xol is in chaos! I think Shik is an alright guy who doesnt seem desperate for attention.  I think Xol left Hero Party more than 2 weeks ago, once again, you're wrong.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: In Cauda Venenum on December 18, 2012, 03:46:38 am
How do you shop the screenshot like that of the in-game typing and so quickly???  Kind of impressive actually.  not sure why you bother defending shik just because he is in your faction - everyone knows how much of a crony he is - always have to ban him from ts he is so desperate to be liked.
Please calm down.
I don't care who wins this stupid fucking argument but it was obviously a joke.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Cyclopsided on December 18, 2012, 03:47:58 am
<3
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on December 18, 2012, 03:49:14 am
wat? Xol is in chaos!

In Keshworld everyone who opposes him is part of one massive conglomerate. 

(I claim rights to the theme-park name 'Keshworld')
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Shik on December 18, 2012, 03:50:43 am
In light of this recent scandal, I have decided that it is in the best interests of everyone to step down from adminship. I sincerely apologize to all those who were hurt by my insensitive and bigoted words. I have decided that the person most capable to administrate the NA servers in lieu of this shall be BADPLAYER. Thanks to everyone for your support: I believe that BADPLAYER will fairly and justly uphold the rules as new head administrator.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on December 18, 2012, 03:53:38 am
In light of this recent scandal, I have decided that it is in the best interests of everyone to step down from adminship. I sincerely apologize to all those who were hurt by my insensitive and bigoted words. I have decided that the person most capable to administrate the NA servers in lieu of this shall be BADPLAYER. Thanks to everyone for your support: I believe that BADPLAYER will fairly and justly uphold the rules as new head administrator.

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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 18, 2012, 03:54:59 am
In light of this recent scandal, I have decided that it is in the best interests of everyone to step down from adminship. I sincerely apologize to all those who were hurt by my insensitive and bigoted words. I have decided that the person most capable to administrate the NA servers in lieu of this shall be BADPLAYER. Thanks to everyone for your support: I believe that BADPLAYER will fairly and justly uphold the rules as new head administrator.

Clearly there is a correlation between player skill and admin ability (see: Tydeus)
Therefore I will be the best admin.

Ty for this chance I will clean up the scrub filled streets of NA cRPG
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Xol! on December 18, 2012, 03:55:09 am
In Keshworld everyone who opposes him is part of one massive conglomerate. 

(I claim rights to the theme-park name 'Keshworld')

Wasn't this in a videogame? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF7aIWxfgnA)
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Earthdforce on December 18, 2012, 03:56:25 am
Kesh be trollin
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Miracle on December 18, 2012, 03:56:39 am
BADPLAYER is an admin this mod needs and deserves.  All hail BADPLAYER.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: In Cauda Venenum on December 18, 2012, 03:56:54 am
BADPLAYER 2012
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Cyclopsided on December 18, 2012, 04:01:04 am
And here, my friends, is what causes the end of the world in a few days.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 18, 2012, 04:02:29 am
My first actions as Head Admin are as follows-

1. Permaban Digglez
2. Permaban Algaroth
3. Permaban Goliathz
4. Permaban Kesh
5. Permaban Lordark
6. Put Anders in charge of catching multiaccounters but also keep him permanently muted so he cannot tell anyone about the things he uncovers
7. Deadmin Smoothrich
8. Unban Farmer Nate

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Change we can believe in from BADPLAYER.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: marcus on December 18, 2012, 04:03:18 am
My first actions as Head Admin are as follows-

1. Permaban Digglez
2. Permaban Algaroth
3. Permaban Goliathz
4. Permaban Kesh
5. Permaban Lordark
6. Put Anders in charge of catching multiaccounters but also keep him permanently muted so he cannot tell anyone about the things he uncovers
7. Deadmin Smoothrich
8. Unban Farmer Nate

(click to show/hide)

Change we can believe in from BADPLAYER.

Fucking make this man an admin
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: GreasySausageSandwhich on December 18, 2012, 04:39:18 am
8. Unban Farmer Nate

8. Unban Farmer Nate

8. Unban Farmer Nate

8. Unban Farmer Nate

ADMIN HE.

Obligatory post to keep the Rodgers avatars alive.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: arowaine on December 18, 2012, 04:45:30 am
Good luck badplayer. The task is hard but you are pro you will survive.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Uumdi on December 18, 2012, 05:03:14 am
badplayer=head fuking admin

bulls hit if you say otherwise ur probly gay man whores why dont ukur ur self or ill do it a mile from you through block and you die right

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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Rikthor on December 18, 2012, 05:38:17 pm
This thread, much like Shik as a Horse Archer, is awful. Everyone who posts in here is awful as me at this game.


On an on-topic note, who cares. Shik rarely does any actual admin stuff. He tries to be funny and be a bad troll and that's about it. He hasn't abused his admin other than talking shit which about every admin except Canary, who hates fun, does. Shik is not the admin we need, but the admin we deserve.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Shemaforash on December 18, 2012, 06:01:55 pm
Shik did nice things in the strategus battle the yesterday ^__^

Shikuuu-chaaan  :oops:^__^~
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 18, 2012, 06:35:19 pm
My first actions as Head Admin are as follows-

1. Permaban Digglez
2. Permaban Algaroth
3. Permaban Goliathz
4. Permaban Kesh
5. Permaban Lordark
6. Put Anders in charge of catching multiaccounters but also keep him permanently muted so he cannot tell anyone about the things he uncovers
7. Deadmin Smoothrich
8. Unban Farmer Nate

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Change we can believe in from BADPLAYER.

Well I got promoted from permaban status to Multiaccounting catcher perma muted.
Interesting and funny.

+1
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: LordBerenger on December 18, 2012, 06:46:59 pm
This thread, much like Shik as a Horse Archer, is awful. Everyone who posts in here is awful as me at this game.


On an on-topic note, who cares. Shik rarely does any actual admin stuff. He tries to be funny and be a bad troll and that's about it. He hasn't abused his admin other than talking shit which about every admin except Canary, who hates fun, does. Shik is not the admin we need, but the admin we deserve.

Hire Anders to find out why Canary hates fun so much. Probably traces back to his childhood! Batman style or sum shit.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Uumdi on December 18, 2012, 08:20:42 pm
I dunno, Canary actually laughed that one time I kept typing "creamfartpisspoo" in admin chat.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Cyclopsided on December 18, 2012, 10:25:34 pm
Oh god, I went to check if Idle actually was still an admin just now. BADMINPLAYER?!?!

He wasn't. I was actually pretty disappointed. There should be a level of admin, slightly below my admin, that badplayer is. where he can mute and kick people and everything, but isn't immune to other admins. XD
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on December 18, 2012, 10:37:25 pm
Oh god, I went to check if Idle actually was still an admin just now. BADMINPLAYER?!?!

He wasn't. I was actually pretty disappointed. There should be a level of admin, slightly below my admin, that badplayer is. where he can mute and kick people and everything, but isn't immune to other admins. XD

There should be a level above everyone, where you can do whatever the fuck you want, mute, kick, ban, permaban, deadmin other admins, teleport, noclip, etc. That is where badplayer should be.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Carthan on December 20, 2012, 01:09:38 am
badplayer=head fuking admin

bulls hit if you say otherwise ur probly gay man whores why dont ukur ur self or ill do it a mile from you through block and you die right


Can somone explain to me what I just read?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 20, 2012, 01:30:38 am
Can somone explain to me what I just read?
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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Artyem on December 23, 2012, 02:35:01 am
Shik = Kihs backwards, switch the H and S you have Kish, trade the I for E and you have Kesh.


SHIK IS KESH
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 23, 2012, 05:52:02 am
Shik = Kihs backwards, switch the H and S you have Kish, trade the I for E and you have Kesh.


SHIK IS KESH

You just broke the fucking Da Vinci Code.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: In Cauda Venenum on December 24, 2012, 09:58:13 am
Shik = Kihs backwards, switch the H and S you have Kish, trade the I for E and you have Kesh.


SHIK IS KESH
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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on January 07, 2013, 02:24:36 am
Twice changed the map during a full server to the shittiest, largest plain around, immediately leaving the server the second time. It was pretty gay.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Rumblood on January 07, 2013, 05:46:49 am
Twice changed the map during a full server to the shittiest, largest plain around, immediately leaving the server the second time. It was pretty gay.

Actually, the majority who played that map had a great time. Teamwork was had and it was the most memorable map and fight of the day.  :idea:
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on February 19, 2013, 04:48:27 am
[21:05] <Smoothrich> for multi accounting and item bombing
[21:05] <Smoothrich> ill gladly do it if no ones gonna cry abuse about it
[21:05] <Smoothrich> lol
[21:07] <Smoothrich> i think our investigation has given an endless amount of evidence and it is 100 percent guaranteed he is guilty of a plethora of exploits based on winning, showing terrible antisocial behavior on forums and in game to the community, having amassed tons of levels and looms from exploiting being on various servers at one time
[21:07] <Smoothrich> encouraging his clan members to pool him cD keys to manage them all.. posting on multiple forum account
[21:07] <Smoothrich> s
[21:07] <Canary> this item bombing is technically not one against the rules
[21:07] <Canary> it's the exploitation of a flawed system
[21:07] <Smoothrich> common sense
[21:07] <Smoothrich> i'd say
[21:07] <Smoothrich> yeah its an exploit
[21:07] <Smoothrich> lol
[21:08] <Smoothrich> its just one of so many things
[21:08] <Smo
<22:44:04> [21:08] <Smoothrich> attacking with 3000 crates of trash gear is the same as transferring 3k crates and they attack it immediately anyways
[21:08] <Smoothrich> even if i was in the fief it wouldnt matter
[21:09] <Smoothrich> with kesh bragging about his plan to item bomb it + obviously being on bustys account while managing her strat army in hero party territory
[21:09] <Smoothrich> the bullshit meter is basically overflowing
[21:09] <Smoothrich> and besides being an "old time player" i see literally no way to defend him anymore
[21:09] <Smoothrich> + the hilarity
[21:09] <Smoothrich> will be amazing
[21:26] <Shik> 3 days of unread messages
[21:27] <Smoothrich> you can look up on tydeus's x-com Lets Play to a silent everwatching audience
[21:27] <Smoothrich> every few hours its just pages of his videogame diary
[21:27] <Shik> on topic
[21:27] <Shik> i have 0 objections to a ban against kesh
[21:27] <Shik> for real or imagined crimes
[21:28] <Smoothrich> aye
<22:44:21>  [21:28] * Muki_ ([email protected]) has joined #mount&blade-crpg-beta
[21:30] <Shik> http://mountandblade.nexusmods.com/mods/3935/
[21:31] <Muki_> looks cool
[21:31] <Smoothrich> yeah that was posted on SA
[21:32] <Smoothrich> i linked it here and jacko got mad that i didnt like any of the other maps posted in the scene editin gforum
[21:32] <Smoothrich> i was like lol who reads that
[21:32] <Smoothrich> goon cronyism only



I know he is friends with the developers but we really need a competent head admin in NA, not one that does cronyism because his side is losing strategus.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on February 19, 2013, 05:15:21 am
I propose that bANGbROS_busty be promoted to head admin in place of Shik.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on February 19, 2013, 09:58:30 pm
[15:52] <Keshian> is cmp here?
[15:54] <Rikthor> doubtful, urist was earlier
[15:54] <@Urist> query shik
[15:55] <Keshian> why shik?
[15:55] <@Urist> your call
[15:56] <Keshian> i just got globally banned
[15:57] <Keshian> no messag as to why
[15:57] <Shik> Here's the plea deal: you tell us who leaked you the irc dev info and we'll shorten your ban
[15:57] <Keshian> wow
[15:57] <Keshian> you are sucha  bad admin
[15:57] <Shik> yep
[15:57] <Elmokki> mod has been dead for ages already
[15:57] <Keshian> we really need cmp and meow and chadz tos tep in at this point
[15:57] <Elmokki> Meow has quit :(
[15:57] <Keshian> by the way smoothrih leaked it to me
[15:58] <Keshian> please shorten it
[15:58] <Shik> okay
[15:58] <Keshian> he was bragging
[15:58] <Shik> permabanned
[15:58] <Shik> enjoy
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 19, 2013, 10:32:09 pm
well i said it in another thread but ill say it again. Shik isn't up to the job anymore. We need a new NA head admin and we need all current admins to be reviewed and removed as necessary. This kind of shit is what makes everyone lose all faith in the admins which is a really bad thing for the community.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on February 19, 2013, 10:43:48 pm
[15:52] <Keshian> is cmp here?
[15:54] <Rikthor> doubtful, urist was earlier
[15:54] <@Urist> query shik
[15:55] <Keshian> why shik?
[15:55] <@Urist> your call
[15:56] <Keshian> i just got globally banned
[15:57] <Keshian> no messag as to why
[15:57] <Shik> Here's the plea deal: you tell us who leaked you the irc dev info and we'll shorten your ban
[15:57] <Keshian> wow
[15:57] <Keshian> you are sucha  bad admin
[15:57] <Shik> yep
[15:57] <Elmokki> mod has been dead for ages already
[15:57] <Keshian> we really need cmp and meow and chadz tos tep in at this point
[15:57] <Elmokki> Meow has quit :(
[15:57] <Keshian> by the way smoothrih leaked it to me
[15:58] <Keshian> please shorten it
[15:58] <Shik> okay
[15:58] <Keshian> he was bragging
[15:58] <Shik> permabanned
[15:58] <Shik> enjoy

You missed a spot

[15:07] <MrShine> [14:56] <Shik> Here's the plea deal: you tell us who leaked you the irc dev info and we'll shorten your ban [14:57] <Keshian> wow [14:57] <Keshian> you are sucha  bad admin [14:57] <Shik> yep [14:57] <Elmokki> mod has been dead for ages already [14:57] <Keshian> we really need cmp and meow and chadz tos tep in at this point
[15:08] <MrShine> you aren't going to get help from cmp on that one kesh
[15:08] == a_bear_irl  has joined #mount&blade-crpg
[15:08] <MrShine> it was his idea

(timezone difference obviously, this happened about 10 minutes later)
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on February 19, 2013, 11:12:37 pm
You missed a spot

[15:07] <MrShine> [14:56] <Shik> Here's the plea deal: you tell us who leaked you the irc dev info and we'll shorten your ban [14:57] <Keshian> wow [14:57] <Keshian> you are sucha  bad admin [14:57] <Shik> yep [14:57] <Elmokki> mod has been dead for ages already [14:57] <Keshian> we really need cmp and meow and chadz tos tep in at this point
[15:08] <MrShine> you aren't going to get help from cmp on that one kesh
[15:08] == a_bear_irl  has joined #mount&blade-crpg
[15:08] <MrShine> it was his idea

(timezone difference obviously, this happened about 10 minutes later)

lol, you posted that on irc after i posted in this thread - good for you shine
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Smoothrich on February 19, 2013, 11:15:47 pm
well i said it in another thread but ill say it again. Shik isn't up to the job anymore. We need a new NA head admin and we need all current admins to be reviewed and removed as necessary. This kind of shit is what makes everyone lose all faith in the admins which is a really bad thing for the community.

The community isn't just FCC you realize.  The majority of NA has been at the receiving end nonstop exploits, disadvantaged from multiaccounting, duped gold and gear, any bugs you can think of.  People like your clan more or less ruin the game for everyone involved.  Banning Kesh actually restored faith for much of the community.  Simply not the ones with nothing better to do then cry about it, though.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Emotion on February 19, 2013, 11:31:34 pm
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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 20, 2013, 12:29:37 am
awesome, when shik gets removed from his admin rights, the nomads on dtv will be removed. that will make our life so much easier!
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 20, 2013, 02:17:45 am
The community isn't just FCC you realize.  The majority of NA has been at the receiving end nonstop exploits, disadvantaged from multiaccounting, duped gold and gear, any bugs you can think of.  People like your clan more or less ruin the game for everyone involved.  Banning Kesh actually restored faith for much of the community.  Simply not the ones with nothing better to do then cry about it, though.

that's funny. I even have EU guys talking to me on steam and being amazed at how shitty and corrupt the NA admin team is. The actions revealed by that chat log just show that the NA Admin team as it currently exists is a total joke. I also find the reaction to this revelation on the part of the higher ups to be hilarious; rather than trying to fix how bad the NA Admin team is all the effort is being put on tracking down the individual who revealed how bad the NA Admin team is, probably so they can go back to being awful without being afraid of someone pointing out how awful they are. Here is a solution for you guys... Don't be fucking awful and say stupid things and then it won't matter at all if people post logs of your conversations because you won't have said anything damning. If people are expected to have faith in the NA admin team then the NA admin team needs to be held to a higher standard than they currently are. This whole situation is a result of the NA Admin team being shit. They allowed three admins all of whom have personal grudges against Kesh and all of whom have been fighting against Kesh to some degree in strat to ban him without providing any evidence.

Anyways... More transparency for the NA Admin team. If they didn't say stupid shit they wouldn't have to fear people revealing their chat logs. Maybe the NA admin team needs to be shaken up a bit, get some fresh faces at the helm and have them review the current admins and see if they are still doing a good job or not.


edit: I realize I sound a bit harsh towards ALL NA Admins; which is not fair since I'm sure many of them are fine, but the visible admins who are leading the NA Admin team are clearly not doing a good job. Perhaps someone with a higher code of ethics who is already an admin could take over leadership and improve things... or someone with a higher code of ethics who isn't already an admin... either way, I would just like to see the leadership of the NA Admin team improved as the current leadership allowed for this whole mess to occur and is focused entirely on rooting out the source of this information instead of improving their own conduct.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Malaclypse on February 20, 2013, 06:11:57 am
People are blowing Shik's comment out of proportion. It's his sense of humor; he just doesn't care.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 06:44:01 am
People are blowing Shik's comment out of proportion. It's his sense of humor; he just doesn't care.

Isn't that the point??  He is the Head NA Admin and he supports and allows shit like this to happen all the time.  Because he just doesn't care.  Shouldn't we get a real admin who can actually properly do the job to replace him?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on February 20, 2013, 06:50:30 am
Isn't that the point??  He is the Head NA Admin and he supports and allows shit like this to happen all the time.  Because he just doesn't care.  Shouldn't we get a real admin who can actually properly do the job to replace him?

QFT man. Giving a shit is practically the only prerequisite for the job, isn't it?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on February 20, 2013, 07:01:17 am
Canary has been mostly in charge of NA for a while, Shik barely plays.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Uumdi on February 20, 2013, 08:37:03 am
Uumdi for admin 2013
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 20, 2013, 09:12:11 am
i vote for Tears of Destiny.

Canary is good admin but I don't think he makes a good head admin.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Molly on February 20, 2013, 01:47:25 pm
[...]
[21:27] <Shik> i have 0 objections to a ban against kesh
[21:27] <Shik> for real or imagined crimes
[...]
As investor into the new thing, this quote frightens me if it turns out to be true, considering Shik is part of the developers.  :(
Couldn't care less about the actual NA drama though.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Canary on February 20, 2013, 02:17:14 pm
that's funny. I even have EU guys talking to me on steam and being amazed at how shitty and corrupt the NA admin team is. The actions revealed by that chat log just show that the NA Admin team as it currently exists is a total joke. I also find the reaction to this revelation on the part of the higher ups to be hilarious; rather than trying to fix how bad the NA Admin team is all the effort is being put on tracking down the individual who revealed how bad the NA Admin team is, probably so they can go back to being awful without being afraid of someone pointing out how awful they are. Here is a solution for you guys... Don't be fucking awful and say stupid things and then it won't matter at all if people post logs of your conversations because you won't have said anything damning. If people are expected to have faith in the NA admin team then the NA admin team needs to be held to a higher standard than they currently are. This whole situation is a result of the NA Admin team being shit. They allowed three admins all of whom have personal grudges against Kesh and all of whom have been fighting against Kesh to some degree in strat to ban him without providing any evidence.

I feel as though I must respond to this. The IRC channel is, partially, a boys' club for admins, devs, and (up until last night) beta testers. Much of what is said there is simply blowing off steam from having to manage a community that mostly does not respect you and your decisions. The logs that were posted publicly, for example, can't necessarily be taken at face value because it's not a guarantee that everything that was said was entirely in earnest. To take what Shik said seriously is a discredit to him and his sense of humor, for one thing, because it really is the kind of joke Shik would make. The fact that Smoothrich acted on what he was saying was a surprise, I think, to everyone.

If by a higher standard you mean the fact that Smoothrich was already being probated for egregious bans (one against badplayer) and that he has since lost admin, then I'd say we're on track, here. Also, I assume you mean me for your third when you say "three admins ... to ban him" - when even in the snippet of logs all I said was that the supposed "item-bombing" wasn't against the rules. I didn't initiate the ban, Shik didn't initiate the ban, and the only agreement I personally had with it was that it was beyond reasonable doubt that Kesh could have had access to his girlfriend's strategus account and seemed to have played on her characters. Under such circumstances at the time (and the fact that I didn't feel it was my place - we have a rule of thumb about tampering with other admins' bans) I didn't, at least, contest it.

It's true that I may have actually been the first to raise the possibility of Kesh account-sharing with the Trillian/Clever/Busty/Akira account, but I was content with leaving the decision and remaining investigation (beyond the strat battle where Kesh was in teamspeak talking under the name Clever while Clever was playing, and the original suspicious forum activity) with the people above me, which would've meant possibly Shik, but probably Meow or the devs. None of them, incidentally, even looked into it as far as I know. Smoothrich took it upon himself because he felt that nobody else cared or would bother to check.

Anyways... More transparency for the NA Admin team. If they didn't say stupid shit they wouldn't have to fear people revealing their chat logs. Maybe the NA admin team needs to be shaken up a bit, get some fresh faces at the helm and have them review the current admins and see if they are still doing a good job or not.

Maybe an analogy would be a good idea... you would think it wouldn't be a good idea for the jury in a court trial to deliberate directly in front of the plaintiff, the defendant, the lawyers, the judge and the public, would you not? If you can't see any reason why the fact that the admin IRC logs are getting leaked is bad then you are making a mistake in your reasoning. (We also have our own forum section, by the way, which I assure you is much more formal and serious)

I won't defend everything said in the channel (to say that anything said that was incriminating was in jest would be stretching the truth), but there's more reason for the higher-ups wanting to catch a leak of information than simply keeping the NA admins from looking bad. It's not the NA admins that are actually trying to catch the "mole". The people most concerned are the devs.
 
edit: I realize I sound a bit harsh towards ALL NA Admins; which is not fair since I'm sure many of them are fine, but the visible admins who are leading the NA Admin team are clearly not doing a good job. Perhaps someone with a higher code of ethics who is already an admin could take over leadership and improve things... or someone with a higher code of ethics who isn't already an admin...

Call us out, at least. You mean Shik and myself. Shik is the head NA admin currently, and I'm the only other admin beyond him who has higher access level than any of the other NA admins.

either way, I would just like to see the leadership of the NA Admin team improved as the current leadership allowed for this whole mess to occur and is focused entirely on rooting out the source of this information instead of improving their own conduct.

No. We're not the ones trying to secure the leaking of information, and any case where we've tried to root it out, like Shik's plea bargain to Kesh, for example, came directly from a dev, in that case cmp.

Sorry if we're slow, but we have been in the process of sorting this "whole mess" out. Smoothrich's ban on Kesh was lifted (by Shik, by the way). I'm not sure if his global ban is still active because I can't see those. edit: nevermind... (http://forum.meleegaming.com/global/unban-kesh_ats-46015/msg726905/#msg726905) We're not just scrambling to save face after letting the roof cave in, here, we're actually trying to discuss the situation before we act again - because taking swift action is certainly not the way to go, as we all can see.

We "allowed" this mess to occur insofar as one person was "allowed" to be an admin that gets to make his own decisions, and that we "allowed" each other to talk together about it before we come to a conclusion on the matter.

Canary has been mostly in charge of NA for a while, Shik barely plays.

Not officially and not in deed, I haven't been. I'm merely more active than Shik.

i vote for Tears of Destiny.

The guy who blew up on us and resigned because he couldn't take it and felt like he was all alone being an admin amid the rest of the "inactives", "shitmins" and people who aren't as strict as he is on chat abuse? Or maybe you're being facetious?

Canary is good admin but I don't think he makes a good head admin.

...or perhaps not. Ah well.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on February 20, 2013, 02:34:43 pm
I feel as though I must respond to this. The IRC channel is, partially, a boys' club for admins, devs, and (up until last night) beta testers. Much of what is said there is simply blowing off steam from having to manage a community that mostly does not respect you and your decisions. The logs that were posted publicly, for example, can't necessarily be taken at face value because it's not a guarantee that everything that was said was entirely in earnest. To take what Shik said seriously is a discredit to him and his sense of humor, for one thing, because it really is the kind of joke Shik would make. The fact that Smoothrich acted on what he was saying was a surprise, I think, to everyone.

This. Here's another leak taken directly unaltered from admin chat a few months back:

4:30 PM <cmp> imo asians should be banned from EU unis
4:31 PM <cmp> or non-white even
4:33 PM <Khorin> I'm all for being international but not if it means having coloured folks in the same room as me.
4:33 PM <cmp> ^
4:33 PM <cmp> AGREE 100%

We're always 100% professional when discussing in private with internet people and all views presented there represent our actual views and values that we hold, like everyone does everwhere else on the internet.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 03:05:55 pm
This. Here's another leak taken directly unaltered from admin chat a few months back:

4:30 PM <cmp> imo asians should be banned from EU unis
4:31 PM <cmp> or non-white even
4:33 PM <Khorin> I'm all for being international but not if it means having coloured folks in the same room as me.
4:33 PM <cmp> ^
4:33 PM <cmp> AGREE 100%

We're always 100% professional when discussing in private with internet people and all views presented there represent our actual views and values that we hold, like everyone does everwhere else on the internet.

So why are you not globally banned?  Also, cmp just accuses me of lying when I told him someone came to our teamspeak and used an anonymous name (which is actually what happened) and provided us the info, along with some of the other plans of smoothrich and canary.  I have no way to make up a name for him without lying, but it seems I am permanently banned because cmp chooses not to believe me.  Just seems this kind of arbitrary behavior is going to carry over to the next game they are developing.  I know I'm really not feeling like wasting any money buying that game and I know a lot of people that are feeling the same way - no point in having a bunch of aggravation playing a game with a bad community of developers and admins.  Friends play together, if a bunch of us are not playing our friends also are not interested in playing.  I'm just letting you know that quite a few of us will be playing M&B 2 when it comes out, but you are losing a lot of potential customers simply by how unprofessionally this has been handled.

Also, great work banning my girlfriend, I'm trying to convince her to write unban essay, but all she says is this is all stupid and not worth her time.  She hates all the drama over a game.  I know she won't be buying your new game, it was difficult enough to get her interested in this and practicing on duel server with me and other people.  Not sure what she did to get banned - didn't reveal that i didn't know who gave me the admin chat logs?  Great job though - got her going back to skyrim most likely, though I honestly don't blame her, this community has been suffering from a plague of bad developers and admins for a long time and our clan has been losing all our oldest players to other games for specifically that reason more than any other cause.  We have had people blatantly say they will never play anything developed by cmp and chadz because of how badly they troll and disrespect their community.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 20, 2013, 03:48:08 pm
Kesh, I am pretty sure that giving the devs an ultimatum of unban me or I (and my friends) aren't going to buy your game, is not the best way to go about getting unbanned.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 04:00:18 pm
Kesh, I am pretty sure that giving the devs an ultimatum of unban me or I (and my friends) aren't going to buy your game, is not the best way to go about getting unbanned.

???  Where are you making that up, just letting them know how badly this all has been handled is affecting people's interest in investing and buying their game, which is the truth.

I know I was just talking with dbrookz who said him andcouple other guys probably will just quit the mod too because their friend vick got permanently globally banned "to get his attention" because they "suspect" he revealed the chat logs (which as far as I know he didn't).  But if you don't care about sales of new games I guess arbitrarily banning people on suspicion with no proof seems okay.  Of course it doesnt help they banned two of our best players right before a massive siege and could have made the difference in winning.  But yeah keep blindly supporting them just because you don't like me - though vick is a really great guy you all should be trying to do something to get him unbanned.

P.S.  Does anyone else find it kind of suspect that he had the 2200 man army sitting next to the city to attack and was banned shortly before he could do the attack?  GG - good way to win hero party, admin abuse for the win.  you know witchcraft might attack next - maybe shik should keep getting cmp to do the ban wave without evidence or proof of wrongdoing - great way to alienate a community .
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Casimir on February 20, 2013, 04:13:22 pm
The core problem is the lack of communication. The fact that only now have the admins decided to come forward and explain how the system works and how they come to decisions is rather surprising.  The entire shit-storm could have been avoided with better communication from the admin team and a bit more transparency with the inner goings on of the 'free to play community mod'.

Not letting people know that there was an ongoing process and simply leaving sooth to spew his rot all over those that inquired was an oversight, similar to the problems that have occurred with admins in the past.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Artyem on February 20, 2013, 04:23:43 pm
After the siege last night I'm surprised they didn't ban half of the people on FCC's side, most of them had at least 50 kills and would have won if the time hadn't ran out.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 20, 2013, 04:31:14 pm
After the siege last night I'm surprised they didn't ban half of the people on FCC's side, most of them had at least 50 kills and would have won if the time hadn't ran out.

You would have to be out of your mind if you think fcc would have won that siege if there was no timer. I'll admit, there was a point where I thought we were going to lose, when you guys had the forward spawn in that corner tower and were up on the roofs. After we had that under control, it was more or less smooth sailing from then on out. Not to mention we were just getting able to use arrows lol.

@Kesh: Read your last post, all you said over and over again was that you aren't buying M:BG because you and some other fcc members got banned. I agree, that vick/homey shouldn't be permabanned for leaking the info. If it was confirmed that it was him, a week at most would be suffice.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Emotion on February 20, 2013, 04:55:09 pm
You would have to be out of your mind if you think fcc would have won that siege if there was no timer. I'll admit, there was a point where I thought we were going to lose, when you guys had the forward spawn in that corner tower and were up on the roofs. After we had that under control, it was more or less smooth sailing from then on out. Not to mention we were just getting able to use arrows lol.

@Kesh: Read your last post, all you said over and over again was that you aren't buying M:BG because you and some other fcc members got banned. I agree, that vick/homey shouldn't be permabanned for leaking the info. If it was confirmed that it was him, a week at most would be suffice.

If he was perma-banned, than that is fucking retarded.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Molly on February 20, 2013, 05:21:13 pm
The core problem is the lack of communication. The fact that only now have the admins decided to come forward and explain how the system works and how they come to decisions is rather surprising.  The entire shit-storm could have been avoided with better communication from the admin team and a bit more transparency with the inner goings on of the 'free to play community mod'.

Not letting people know that there was an ongoing process and simply leaving sooth to spew his rot all over those that inquired was an oversight, similar to the problems that have occurred with admins in the past.
This.

Already said that like 6 months ago. There is a lack of communication although it has been way better with the new born lately.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on February 20, 2013, 06:03:46 pm
This.

Already said that like 6 months ago. There is a lack of communication although it has been way better with the new born lately.

I'm as much a fan of transparency as anyone else, but frankly when it comes to how admins operate behind the scenes, it really isn't anyone else's business.  The only reason others are aware of the Kesh situation is because Kesh & others have made it very vocal, and with Smoothrich being the original admin who did the ban, the forum drama naturally escalated.  Somehow people have exaggerated the situation and make it appear as some sort of mass admin corruption controversy...this belief obviously favors those in the Kesh camp because it discredits the admin system in a whole.

What everyone should know & take away from all this now that we are at this point:
- Devs are involved
- Kesh is still banned
- Smoothrich currently has has his admin privileges revoked.
- The investigation about IRC leaks is ongoing
- Where we are at now has nothing to do with strategus enemies & vendettas
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Casimir on February 20, 2013, 06:19:02 pm
I disagree, considering that the admins are meant to be here to ensure that players have a good time how is it not our business how they regulate themselves.

 When they have the independent ability to deny someone from playing for whatever reason, we have the right to know what is in place to stop this from being abused.  The argument you present is the same as saying if your not in the army/police/government etc. you have no right to know how they operate.  The decision and actions of admins affect not only the individual case, but the whole community due to the precedent they can set. As such i believe we should be informed how admins are kept in check and how the system regulates itself.  There is no need for people to have in depth knowledge of the day to day goings on, but an awareness of the system, or the fact the system exists, should be clearly communicated. This has not been the case until recently.

I guess its a matter of opinion, but i believe that those with power should be accountable and those who are susceptible to their power should know who to contact and how it is handled.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Duster on February 20, 2013, 06:24:23 pm
People, its a free mod to a fifteen dollar game. Time invested does not make you entitled to anything.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 20, 2013, 06:27:12 pm
The more they tell you about how they catch multiaccounters/account sharing/autoblockers, the easier it is for people to find workarounds so they don't get caught. End of Story.

@MrShine: From my understanding, these can be added to that list:

-Cmp has permanently banned Kesh and Trillian for multiaccounting.
-Cmp has permanently banned Vick/Homey for supposedly leaking chat logs.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 20, 2013, 06:36:54 pm
that's funny. I even have EU guys talking to me on steam and being amazed at how shitty and corrupt the NA admin team is.
That's funny, I even have EU guys talking to me on steam and being amazed at how funny it is that Kesh is banned.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Turboflex on February 20, 2013, 07:38:58 pm
People, its a free mod to a fifteen dollar game. Time invested does not make you entitled to anything.

before maybe, but now the guys running it are working on a new professional game and have solicited money from this community so whatever they do here now reflects back onto their new projects. People are quitting over this so it's costing them long term supporters.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Smoothrich on February 20, 2013, 07:53:03 pm
before maybe, but now the guys running it are working on a new professional game and have solicited money from this community so whatever they do here now reflects back onto their new projects. People are quitting over this so it's costing them long term supporters.

Quitting over what.  People cheating, or people being banned for cheating?  Don't really know what the problems with the admins here are, except not enough is done to deal with Strategus multiaccounters, exploiters, bug abusers, etc.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tagora on February 20, 2013, 07:57:36 pm
before maybe, but now the guys running it are working on a new professional game and have solicited money from this community so whatever they do here now reflects back onto their new projects. People are quitting over this so it's costing them long term supporters.

note to devs, the rest of us don't care.  we're not quitting.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on February 20, 2013, 08:03:17 pm
I disagree, considering that the admins are meant to be here to ensure that players have a good time how is it not our business how they regulate themselves.

 When they have the independent ability to deny someone from playing for whatever reason, we have the right to know what is in place to stop this from being abused.  The argument you present is the same as saying if your not in the army/police/government etc. you have no right to know how they operate.  The decision and actions of admins affect not only the individual case, but the whole community due to the precedent they can set. As such i believe we should be informed how admins are kept in check and how the system regulates itself.  There is no need for people to have in depth knowledge of the day to day goings on, but an awareness of the system, or the fact the system exists, should be clearly communicated. This has not been the case until recently.

I guess its a matter of opinion, but i believe that those with power should be accountable and those who are susceptible to their power should know who to contact and how it is handled.

I think your analogy of army/police/government actually reinforces my argument.  Do we get let in on the army's weapon secrets, or (legal) techniques police might have to get criminals to confess?  Of course not, nor should admins be expected to make all their internal discussions about players known, nor should devs explain in length how they can detect autoblockers/multi-accounts.  Just like the police/government/army has a job to protect the general population & has some guidelines to adhere to, so too admins have a job to administrate & give people who need it reasonable information, but not every ban needs to be explained in full detail for everyone to hear. 

^Obviously this is rather melodramatic; a volunteer admin system consisting of a bunch of guys playing a video game isn't nearly as important in the scheme of things as the services mentioned.

I do think the system usually works though: someone does something wrong, an admin bans them, the person who did something wrong can appeal it in the unban section.  Other admins/devs typically do not intervene unless something seems egregious.  In this recent case of Kesh's ban from Smoothrich obviously there was this intervention.

Ultimately though, I don't see how the system isn't working properly.  Do admins usually do their job correctly?  Usually.  Do admins make mistakes?  Undoubtedly.  Can admins lose their privileges if they are determined to be making too many mistakes?  Clearly. 

@MrShine: From my understanding, these can be added to that list:

-Cmp has permanently banned Kesh and Trillian for multiaccounting.
-Cmp has permanently banned Vick/Homey for supposedly leaking chat logs.

I didn't add those because I think there are still discussions happening regarding permanence. 

before maybe, but now the guys running it are working on a new professional game and have solicited money from this community so whatever they do here now reflects back onto their new projects. People are quitting over this so it's costing them long term supporters.

The original issue was an admin issue in c-rpg, which literally has nothing to do with the devs developing the new game.  And people have been saying they are/will be quitting cRPG for about a million other reasons in the past.  Strangely I tend to notice those people playing cRPG a week later.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Turboflex on February 20, 2013, 08:45:36 pm
The original issue was an admin issue in c-rpg, which literally has nothing to do with the devs developing the new game.  And people have been saying they are/will be quitting cRPG for about a million other reasons in the past.  Strangely I tend to notice those people playing cRPG a week later.

Well it does cuz it effects their reputation which carries over to their new project so is a factor towards its future success.  For a lot of players the community experience matters to them so the devs can laugh off their troll reputation if they want, and laugh off admins like smoothrich & shik banning rival players like Kesh & Vick with armies outside their city walls and offer up weak explanations to people days later, but it will result in a lot of people forming a poor opinion of Donkey Crew (who are the ones ultimately responsible for the administration of their games). When M:BG is getting closer to release and they start putting out promotional stuff like preview videos to be passed around on other forums or site articles expect a lot of negative community comments from people with opinions formed by events like this.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 20, 2013, 08:50:42 pm
Well it does cuz it effects their reputation which carries over to their new project so is a factor towards its future success.  For a lot of players the community experience matters to them so the devs can laugh off their troll reputation if they want, and laugh off admins like smoothrich & shik banning rival players like Kesh & Vick with armies outside their city walls and offer up weak explanations to people days later, but it will result in a lot of people forming a poor opinion of Donkey Crew (who are the ones ultimately responsible for the administration of their games). When M:BG is getting closer to release and they start putting out promotional stuff like preview videos to be passed around on other forums or site articles expect a lot of negative community comments from people with opinions formed by events like this.

So your saying that in order to get better reviews for their upcoming game, they should keep Kesh unbanned even if they have proof that he is cheating? Doesn't sound very professional to me.

As far as Vick, I hope he gets unbanned sooner rather then later.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 20, 2013, 08:57:56 pm
Vick should never have been banned to begin with. His ban just confirms how bad things are. "Well, smoothrich the awful troll thinks Vick leaked the info.. So lets permaban vick!"

Seems legit.

also, I think Casimir pretty much covered my opinion about more transparency. We don't need to all be there watching everything, but any logs from any admin decision should be made at least partially public if there is reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of the decision. You can always edit away things that might explain how the evidence is gathered or whatever.

Another thing, I know shik is a troll. He has always been a troll. I like shik, but he was never a good pick for NA leadership as he is a troll, and doesn't take things seriously. Remember when he made Kesh an admin cause he thought it would be funny seeing how it would go wrong? Basically, if you want good leadership for NA, you want someone who does care and who does take things seriously.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on February 20, 2013, 09:36:01 pm
Well it does cuz it effects their reputation which carries over to their new project so is a factor towards its future success.  For a lot of players the community experience matters to them so the devs can laugh off their troll reputation if they want, and laugh off admins like smoothrich & shik banning rival players like Kesh & Vick with armies outside their city walls and offer up weak explanations to people days later, but it will result in a lot of people forming a poor opinion of Donkey Crew (who are the ones ultimately responsible for the administration of their games). When M:BG is getting closer to release and they start putting out promotional stuff like preview videos to be passed around on other forums or site articles expect a lot of negative community comments from people with opinions formed by events like this.
If people want to read more into it than is actually there no-one can stop them.  chadz & co are going to have to deal with misinformed people making up wild reasons for purchasing/not purchasing their product just like anyone else out there.

Just know that I as an NA admin for c-rpg have no more impact on the development process than anyone else, nor was I picked as an NA admin by any of the EU developers, who are the majority of the development team. 

It's like blaming the boss of a company for something their ex-employee did in their personal time somewhere... is there a vague connection?  Yeah, but nothing direct that's worth getting worked up over.

 
Vick should never have been banned to begin with. His ban just confirms how bad things are. "Well, smoothrich the awful troll thinks Vick leaked the info.. So lets permaban vick!"

Seems legit.

Obviously if smoothrich had that much sway in the actions of the devs he wouldn't be deadminned right now. 

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also, I think Casimir pretty much covered my opinion about more transparency. We don't need to all be there watching everything, but any logs from any admin decision should be made at least partially public if there is reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of the decision. You can always edit away things that might explain how the evidence is gathered or whatever.

cmp has given you what you want to hear: he's looked into it and determined Kesh to be guilty of multiaccounting.  Putting aside everything else with smoothrich and shik and the incredibley entertaining drama of the past day or so, he's explained why Kesh is currently banned.  I don't know what the results are going to be with vick, but I don't see how you can expect a more detailed reason for why Kesh is being banned that doesn't leak their detection processes.


Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 20, 2013, 09:46:11 pm
except if you read cmp's posts, he banned kesh as leverage for finding the leak, not for any actual crimes. He even stated specifically that if kesh revealed his information source that they would unban him; he then decided to just keep kesh permabanned because they have now apparently looked into the multi accounting accusations and decided kesh is guilty... in other words, assuming they actually did investigate instead of just saying "well fine, you won't reveal the name of this random person who told you stuff?! then you can stay ban!" it still shows that cmp isn't trustworthy; either A. if kesh had been able and willing to name the leak then he would be unban despite apparently deserving to be ban thus circumventing proper justice or B. if kesh was able and willing to name the leak they would have just said "lol u ban anyway" and thus been proven as lying.
cmp is more concerned with banning someone for revealing that the NA team fucked up hard than he is about anything else. he has permaban TWO people in an attempt to find out who leaked, he promised to unban one of those people if he revealed the leak, in other words, promising a pardon for any real crimes that player may or may not have commited if they just reveal the source of that chat log. So it is apparently a bigger crime to post logs from that private chat (which multiple other people have since done) than it is to multiaccount (as cmp is now claiming kesh is confirmed as having done)

the more i think about this the more it just disgusts me.


and as bad as all that is, it still doesn't explain why vick is banned and why they still care about who revealed the chat log.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 20, 2013, 09:56:02 pm
Matey, its impossible to reason with someone when you are just going to say that the facts are a lie.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Smoothrich on February 20, 2013, 10:03:38 pm
Matey, its impossible to reason with someone when you are just going to say that the facts are a lie.

FCC = Fox News watchers.  I've been saying it for a while now.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 20, 2013, 10:34:25 pm
Matey, its impossible to reason with someone when you are just going to say that the facts are a lie.

you are right. but I can't help but try to encourage people to see reason anyways.

Seriously do the math here...

cmp promises to unban kesh if he rats out the informant.
that is a FACT.
that means that if kesh is guilty of multiaccounting, he could avoid a ban based on revealing the informant.
OR
it means that kesh had been promised a pardon if he revealed the informant but would have been ban anyways.
AND
it means that if kesh is innocent that he will stay banned unless he reveals the informant.

either way it is sketchy shit. how can you see that as anything but sketchy?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on February 20, 2013, 10:37:47 pm
except if you read cmp's posts, he banned kesh as leverage for finding the leak, not for any actual crimes. He even stated specifically that if kesh revealed his information source that they would unban him; he then decided to just keep kesh permabanned because they have now apparently looked into the multi accounting accusations and decided kesh is guilty... in other words, assuming they actually did investigate instead of just saying "well fine, you won't reveal the name of this random person who told you stuff?! then you can stay ban!" it still shows that cmp isn't trustworthy; either A. if kesh had been able and willing to name the leak then he would be unban despite apparently deserving to be ban thus circumventing proper justice or B. if kesh was able and willing to name the leak they would have just said "lol u ban anyway" and thus been proven as lying.
cmp is more concerned with banning someone for revealing that the NA team fucked up hard than he is about anything else. he has permaban TWO people in an attempt to find out who leaked, he promised to unban one of those people if he revealed the leak, in other words, promising a pardon for any real crimes that player may or may not have commited if they just reveal the source of that chat log. So it is apparently a bigger crime to post logs from that private chat (which multiple other people have since done) than it is to multiaccount (as cmp is now claiming kesh is confirmed as having done)

the more i think about this the more it just disgusts me.


and as bad as all that is, it still doesn't explain why vick is banned and why they still care about who revealed the chat log.

Why they wanted to find the leak is obvious, and Canary already explained it to you earlier.  The leak's already happened, people re-posting joke versions is meaningless, it's the person who was in the channel who decided to give it to Kesh almost immediately afterwards they were concerned about.  It wasn't the content they wanted to stop from getting out, it was the fact someone got something like that out in the first place.

After Smoothrich banned Kesh & drama ensued (including the leaked logs) the following steps happened, loosely in order but I'm probably not completely accurate:
1) Kesh was given the ultimatum to receive a lighter ban if he named the leaker, or to remain permabanned.  Kesh originally implicated Smoothrich, and now is claiming a little birdy told him.  Either way Kesh lied or is still lying about who informed him.   That's a pretty bad start.

2) Next there was discussion/research about who could have been the person who leaked it in the first place. I don't know much of how that went down ultimately, I was around when Vick was being discussed but I wasn't around when he actually got banned or if other information came to light.  The reason certainly wasn't "smoothrich said so", I can guarantee that.

3) I'm assuming at this point Kesh was researched to see if his ban from smooth was justified, and he was found guilty of multi-accounting so the permaban is currently sticking.  Regardless of everything else, there's that.  Pretty cut & dry.

4) Maybe around the time as #3 Smooth's actions were reviewed and he was deadminned.  I wasn't around for all of that discussion.   I'm also not sure when exactly Vick was banned.

5) I think next steps are continuing research.  Maybe Vick is being banned temporarily, maybe he was proven, I honestly have no idea. 


Anyways Matey let me pose this to you: If cmp & the devs were doing this solely to save face, they could have easily thrown Smoothrich under the bus completely.  They could say "smooth fucked up, Kesh's ban is unjustified, we have a renegade admin on the loose" and just deadmin smooth and be done with it.

Instead they deadminned smooth, but they ALSO looked further into the situation and determined there was just cause to keep Kesh banned.  If this is an issue of saving face and covering up some big screwup why would they leave Kesh banned?  The answer is pretty obvious.

It really isn't worth discussing anymore.  Kesh is guilty, Vick is either guilty or they are continuing research, Smoothrich was deadminned for handling the original situation inappropriately.  And frankly if you are so suspicious of the devs that you are unwilling to take the two involved at their words, why are you here?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 20, 2013, 10:43:56 pm
well shine.

they banned vick on suspicion. not guilt.

secondly, they did throw smooth under the bus. if it wasn't for those logs he would still be an admin and kesh would still be ban (by smooth).
also, kesh was permaban in order to find out who leaked the information so as to make sure no future chat logs of admins being terrible could be leaked. kesh's permaban initially had nothing to do with breaking any rules himself, that story has now changed of course but the initial permaban was entirely as a means of trying to force him to rat out someone who gave him chat logs.

the irony here is that cmp and them are furious someone leaked confidential info... and their response was to permaban someone in an attempt at forcing that person to leak confidential info. (in other words they want kesh to rat someone out even though they are mad someone ratted out the admins for doing something retarded).
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on February 20, 2013, 10:54:44 pm
well shine.

they banned vick on suspicion. not guilt.
I don't think either you or I can say anything about that definitively.

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secondly, they did throw smooth under the bus. if it wasn't for those logs he would still be an admin and kesh would still be ban (by smooth).
The only thing the logs did was get quick attention by devs. I don't have a crystal ball, but I think all the logs did was speed things up.  The end result (Smooth losing admin, Kesh getting permabanned) was likely inevitable based on how things were being handled regardless of leaked logs).

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also, kesh was permaban in order to find out who leaked the information so as to make sure no future chat logs of admins being terrible could be leaked. kesh's permaban initially had nothing to do with breaking any rules himself, that story has now changed of course but the initial permaban was entirely as a means of trying to force him to rat out someone who gave him chat logs.

the irony here is that cmp and them are furious someone leaked confidential info... and their response was to permaban someone in an attempt at forcing that person to leak confidential info. (in other words they want kesh to rat someone out even though they are mad someone ratted out the admins for doing something retarded).
I'm not going to argue this point any further: I've already explained the reason the leak was important to them.

Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Smoothrich on February 20, 2013, 10:55:34 pm
I'm just gonna address the "logs" one time here since you are hung up on them.  What the hell is so terrible about it?  Its out of context and was the tail end of  like 4-5 months of discussion (long before any Strat wars between clans) happened, and also left out pages of conversation above it with other admins. 

It's also ignoring lots of private Steam chats I had with Shik and other involved parties figuring out what to do and when enough is enough in light of Kesh blatantly trollling on the forums on multiaccounts earlier that day as himself and forgetting to log out to cover his tracks.

This wasn't a one-time thing, other admins, former FCC members, tons of evidence, both of the "head admins" of NA in agreement (more or less, just not how to handle it exactly) over several months have chatted about this and you got some out of context bullshit that was just for drama and are still running with it long after its more or less irrelevant. 

I gladly admit I went over the head of people who should handle these things because I felt the person who primarily handles Strat investigations (not cmp) was intentionally refusing to help the NA admin team on accomplishing anything and due to that I should probably have admins taken away.  I only held on to it for the past year despite all of the shit posting about me being admin because I genuinely like helping people, with a steam list full of cRPG players who come to me for account assistance and questions and have a level head when I play later at night or in Strat and there needs to be people to deal with griefers.

I don't really take Strategus politics and shit seriously and don't think its fun or even actually ever use admin in an abusive way, its just a way to help out people (the people who don't bitch and cry about badmins because I was rude to them once in an internet thread.)

Just chill out dude and face facts and let things be addressed in their own time by the people in charge of them now, which isn't any of us.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 20, 2013, 11:07:04 pm


I don't really take Strategus politics and shit seriously

then why are you the worst forum troll there is. the guy who antagonizes people so bad that they stop having fun. you know how people hate kesh because he shit talks on forums? you are worse because kesh is so bad at trolling that it is usually a mix of funny and stupid. you on the other hand just constantly make up accusations and spew utter bullshit and pass it all off like truth.. why? because you don't take strat seriously? fine, I will accept that as true, but you DO take trolling seriously; you are cool guy when you aren't trying to be the biggest piece of shit in the community, unfortunately you always need someone to antagonize and once you finish with one group you move on to the next. Who is left smooth? eventually there will be no one left who will listen to your bullshit because they have been victimized by you at some point, it is already past the tipping point.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Smoothrich on February 20, 2013, 11:34:21 pm
then why are you the worst forum troll there is. the guy who antagonizes people so bad that they stop having fun. you know how people hate kesh because he shit talks on forums? you are worse because kesh is so bad at trolling that it is usually a mix of funny and stupid. you on the other hand just constantly make up accusations and spew utter bullshit and pass it all off like truth.. why? because you don't take strat seriously? fine, I will accept that as true, but you DO take trolling seriously; you are cool guy when you aren't trying to be the biggest piece of shit in the community, unfortunately you always need someone to antagonize and once you finish with one group you move on to the next. Who is left smooth? eventually there will be no one left who will listen to your bullshit because they have been victimized by you at some point, it is already past the tipping point.

Yeah, saying Kesh was multiaccounting (while simultaneously accusing us of cheating) and should stop or he would get him and his friends banned was me trolling for no reason.

Stop the pussy persecution/victim complex, its why a lot of your group looks really dumb.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 20, 2013, 11:41:11 pm
smoothrich. you are a guy who managed to get permaban off somethingawful for being too much of a troll. the fact that our standards here are lower and thus you are only muted half the time is pretty telling. are you are seriously going to tell me that you arent a self serving, drama provoking shit poster troll? Cause you are. Also what has really pissed off a lot of people is the fact that Vick (one of the nicest people in the entire NA community) has been banned on SUSPICION of leaking chat logs from a channel that multiple other people have leaked chat logs from. That is all kinds of fucked up, even without mentioning how the guy who gets blamed just happens to be ready to attack hero party before getting ban from strat under suspicion of posting logs that apparently no one should take seriously anyways. Shit is fucked up; plain and simple.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Goretooth on February 21, 2013, 02:57:41 am
smoothrich. you are a guy who managed to get permaban off somethingawful for being too much of a troll. the fact that our standards here are lower and thus you are only muted half the time is pretty telling. are you are seriously going to tell me that you arent a self serving, drama provoking shit poster troll? Cause you are. Also what has really pissed off a lot of people is the fact that Vick (one of the nicest people in the entire NA community) has been banned on SUSPICION of leaking chat logs from a channel that multiple other people have leaked chat logs from. That is all kinds of fucked up, even without mentioning how the guy who gets blamed just happens to be ready to attack hero party before getting ban from strat under suspicion of posting logs that apparently no one should take seriously anyways. Shit is fucked up; plain and simple.
who is Vick and why is he leaking info to fcc? he in fallen or something?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 21, 2013, 03:43:16 am
who is Vick and why is he leaking info to fcc? he in fallen or something?

fallen homey d clown
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Freland on February 21, 2013, 10:58:42 am
I don't really take Strategus politics and shit seriously

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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: [ptx] on February 21, 2013, 11:48:13 am
Afaik, you people really shouldn't get your panties in a bunch over this vick character being banned. Just sayin'.

not sure if i can say more or if i should even have said this
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: cmp on February 21, 2013, 12:30:19 pm
Seriously do the math here...

cmp promises to unban kesh if he rats out the informant.
that is a FACT.
that means that if kesh is guilty of multiaccounting, he could avoid a ban based on revealing the informant.
OR
it means that kesh had been promised a pardon if he revealed the informant but would have been ban anyways.
AND
it means that if kesh is innocent that he will stay banned unless he reveals the informant.

either way it is sketchy shit. how can you see that as anything but sketchy?

Actually that would only lift one of Kesh's two bans (certainly not the multiaccounting one) so get your facts straight before you shout "FACT" and do your Fox News math.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: tizzango on February 21, 2013, 01:22:06 pm
I don't really take Strategus politics and shit seriously

Was this a joke?

When you are in an argument all you ever do is point to the other persons clan's Strategus diplomacy.. you did it to me yesterday hahahahaha!

You addressed me as "Fallen.." then started talking about what happened in Strat 2 or 3.. I wouldn't know because I don't play the fucking thing. How can you then come out with this statement, after publicly doing the aforementioned.. I really can't believe it.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Oberyn on February 21, 2013, 01:29:33 pm
Stop the pussy persecution/victim complex, its why a lot of your group looks really dumb.

Sorry is this from the guy who routinely calls anyone he doesn't like or agree with child molesters, racists and worse?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on February 21, 2013, 01:44:46 pm
Sorry is this from the guy who routinely calls anyone he doesn't like or agree with child molesters, racists and worse?

I'm pretty sure some old posts on forum describe how phantomzero zealot/classical dregged up once some real life stuff about smoothrich actually being a sex offender.  I think its the seeing the needle in your neighbor's eye while ignoring the giant spike in your own eye syndrome.  No idea if true or not but i remember reading something like that in an old forum post when smoothrich was self-destructing last strategus too and basically destroying his clan in the process (man history has a tendency to repeat itself.)


Yeah i tease about taking his medication because of how obsessed and crazy he gets with strategus to the point of equating me and others to child mass murderers days after a guy mass-murdered children. but i don't know the guy at all, he just comes off as a little unhinged when i talk to him.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Smoothrich on February 21, 2013, 01:58:48 pm
I'm pretty sure some old posts on forum describe how phantomzero dregged up once some real life stuff about smoothrich actually being a sex offender.  I think its the seeing the needle in your neighbor's eye while ignoring the giant spike in your own eye syndrome.  No idea if true or not but i remember reading something like that in an old forum post when smoothrich was self-destructing last strategus too and basically destroying his clan in the process (man history has a tendency to repeat itself.)


Yeah i tease about taking his medication because of how obsessed and crazy he gets with strategus to the point of equating me and others to child mass murderers days after a guy mass-murdered children. but i don't know the guy at all, he just comes off as a little unhinged when i talk to him.

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Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tomas on February 21, 2013, 02:58:52 pm
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Since when did Admins ban first and "research" later?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Rikthor on February 21, 2013, 03:01:54 pm
Smoothrich stuff

That was actually Zealot/Classical who started trolling him about his real life issues, which got him banned. Phantomzero's crime, in the good book of Smoothrich, was not supporting Smoothrich when he split from LLJK in Strat 3.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on February 21, 2013, 03:04:55 pm
That was actually Zealot/Classical who started trolling him about his real life issues, which got him banned. Phantomzero's crime, in the good book of Smoothrich, was not supporting Smoothrich when he split from LLJK in Strat 3.

Thanks for the correction. :)

So many people are evil in smoothrich's book, I lose track.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on February 21, 2013, 03:22:21 pm
Since when did Admins ban first and "research" later?

Since Smooth banned first. Leaving the higher-ups and other admins to research later.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Tomas on February 21, 2013, 03:28:16 pm
Since Smooth banned first. Leaving the higher-ups and other admins to research later.

What about vick then?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Keshian on February 21, 2013, 03:59:54 pm
I still don't get why smoth is deadminned (2nd time) instead of just outright losing his adminship.  I know Tears and I have both lost our adminship for far less things than the numerous crap smoothrich has done.  I know its nice to be friends with shik but at a certain point doesn't cronyism carry too far?  As far as I can tell he is still listed as an admin on the forums.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 21, 2013, 04:07:51 pm
I still don't get why smoth is deadminned (2nd time) instead of just outright losing his adminship.  I know Tears and I have both lost our adminship for far less things than the numerous crap smoothrich has done.  I know its nice to be friends with shik but at a certain point doesn't cronyism carry too far?  As far as I can tell he is still listed as an admin on the forums.

Tears of Destiny gave up his admin, he didn't lose his admin. You are the only person I can think of that has actually lost their adminship, although I am sure there are a few others.

And by crap smoothrich has done, do you mean banning you for multiaccounting, when it turns out you were guilty of it.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Rikthor on February 21, 2013, 04:36:25 pm
Tears of Destiny gave up his admin, he didn't lose his admin. You are the only person I can think of that has actually lost their adminship, although I am sure there are a few others.

Nuffen lost his thanks to a popular vote
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Lt_Anders on February 21, 2013, 05:10:56 pm
Tears of Destiny gave up his admin, he didn't lose his admin. You are the only person I can think of that has actually lost their adminship, although I am sure there are a few others.

And by crap smoothrich has done, do you mean banning you for multiaccounting, when it turns out you were guilty of it.

EarthDForce lost his for some trolling on EU servers by being a peasant or some shit for 5 maps.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 21, 2013, 06:38:27 pm
Actually that would only lift one of Kesh's two bans (certainly not the multiaccounting one) so get your facts straight before you shout "FACT" and do your Fox News math.

yeah it would lift the ban you gave him for having posted logs you didnt want him to have access of. you still gave him a ban for posting logs and you still offered to unban him if he ratted someone out. also, the ban he got for posting logs was worse than the ban he got for multiaccounting. you also lied to me when you said no one else had been ban even though vick had already been ban and remains ban.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Duster on February 21, 2013, 06:48:25 pm
yeah it would lift the ban you gave him for having posted logs you didnt want him to have access of. you still gave him a ban for posting logs and you still offered to unban him if he ratted someone out. also, the ban he got for posting logs was worse than the ban he got for multiaccounting. you also lied to me when you said no one else had been ban even though vick had already been ban and remains ban.

Matey, you're breaking down dude.... just leave it alone, move on. At this point, kesh has been permabanned by a dev, and homey's case is being handled. You're not going to accomplish anything with this crusade.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 21, 2013, 06:50:09 pm
Matey, you're breaking down dude.... just leave it alone, move on. At this point, kesh has been permabanned by a dev, and homey's case is being handled. You're not going to accomplish anything with this crusade.

It's not his fault, hes just on a sugar high.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 21, 2013, 06:56:15 pm
the fact that you guys don't think that has been handled extremely poorly is really hard to understand. I get if you like the results or whatever, but things have been handled really really badly.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 21, 2013, 07:18:23 pm
the fact that you guys don't think that has been handled extremely poorly is really hard to understand. I get if you like the results or whatever, but things have been handled really really badly.

Every person in the game should like the results. Someone who was caught multiaccounting got banned.

I don't know what the deal is with Vick's situation, and neither do you. If it turns out that he did infact leak the info, I don't think he should be permabanned. But if he does, I would be all for his strat possessions being transfered to someone else in your faction.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: tizzango on February 21, 2013, 07:38:23 pm
the fact that you guys don't think that has been handled extremely poorly is really hard to understand. I get if you like the results or whatever, but things have been handled really really badly.

Matey, I've been reading and agreeing with your posts this whole time. Someone above mentioned that you need to calm down, as your posts will not do much- I understand it's a very aggravating concept, but it's the truth man.

cmp and chadz aren't stupid, they (cmp) know this looks really really bad- that is why they are 'panicking' and handling the situation even worst, so that it gets 'resolved' quicker.

You don't need to tell them that man :)!
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: cmp on February 21, 2013, 09:20:19 pm
even though vick had already been ban and remains ban.

vick have been un ban already and he did not remains ban
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Molly on February 21, 2013, 09:24:22 pm
I don't get it...

To make one of the Overlords take interest in you as an individual of this community, you have to fuck up quite a bit. That is a fact (since Matey seems to like his facts) proven over time by now.

Hundreds of people play this mod, some even enjoy it  :P , and never have any issues with bans. Maybe once or twice for leeching but even those are a minority.
One gets banned, twice from what I understand but that doesn't really matter, for multi-accounting which is considered cheating.

So, at the end of the day, they got rid of a cheater... I like that. And in the process a questionable Admin got his rights removed. I like that too.
I say 'tis a good day...  8-)
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Matey on February 21, 2013, 10:03:56 pm
I don't get it...

To make one of the Overlords take interest in you as an individual of this community, you have to fuck up quite a bit. That is a fact (since Matey seems to like his facts) proven over time by now.

Hundreds of people play this mod, some even enjoy it  :P , and never have any issues with bans. Maybe once or twice for leeching but even those are a minority.
One gets banned, twice from what I understand but that doesn't really matter, for multi-accounting which is considered cheating.

So, at the end of the day, they got rid of a cheater... I like that. And in the process a questionable Admin got his rights removed. I like that too.
I say 'tis a good day...  8-)

if that is all there was to the story then sure.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Lt_Anders on February 22, 2013, 01:17:17 am
So, at the end of the day, they got rid of a cheater... I like that. And in the process a questionable Admin got his rights removed. I like that too.
I say 'tis a good day...  8-)

I believe you might need to revise this.
http://forum.meleegaming.com/global/unban-kesh_ats-46031/msg727974/#msg727974
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Gawin on February 22, 2013, 02:09:25 am
89 votes that shik sucks.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Kalam on February 22, 2013, 02:11:02 am
This is a topic for feedback on Shik's performance as an admin. Posts that aren't directly related to this will result in warnings.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Arathian on March 13, 2013, 10:37:09 am
Hey Shik, I presume that after banning me from IRC you also banned your buddy BADPLAYER, right?

I mean, he said "fuck white people. Kill all white people" to which I responded "Kill all the Asians to make room for the master race". Both statements equally racist, didn't see him get banned.

However, I do trust you banned him. I mean, not banning him would make you a complete hypocrite, right?
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on March 13, 2013, 11:36:12 am
Racism is a social construct devised by those in power to oppress and dehumanize anybody who isn't white.  As in it's white people who are the majority in terms of power therefore it is literally impossible to be racist against white people. since you can't be racist towards a race that’s politically more powerful than a minority.
You can hate them for being white, but that’s not racism because racism is a social and governmental construct dealing with oppression, not just hatred based on skin color.

With this in mind, fuck white people.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: MrShine on March 13, 2013, 03:49:23 pm
Ninja Edit: original response not relevant to topic. sorry.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: [ptx] on March 13, 2013, 04:54:28 pm
Shik is absolutely racist. :(
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Molly on March 13, 2013, 05:08:01 pm
Racism is a social construct devised by those in power to oppress and dehumanize anybody who isn't white.  As in it's white people who are the majority in terms of power therefore it is literally impossible to be racist against white people. since you can't be racist towards a race that’s politically more powerful than a minority.
You can hate them for being white, but that’s not racism because racism is a social and governmental construct dealing with oppression, not just hatred based on skin color.

With this in mind, fuck white people.
What a huuuge pile of bullshit this is - makes it even a bit amusing. Funny with what kind of shit people can come up with :D
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Casimir on March 13, 2013, 05:17:31 pm
Quote
Definition of racism

 noun
[mass noun]
 the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races: theories of racism

 prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior:a programme to combat racism
I thought we lived in a post structural work where social constructs are regarded as too removed from the human experience to have any relevance in everyday discussion.  Apparently not all of us do...
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Falka on March 13, 2013, 05:26:17 pm
Racism is a social construct devised by those in power to oppress and dehumanize anybody who isn't white.  As in it's white people who are the majority in terms of power therefore it is literally impossible to be racist against white people. since you can't be racist towards a race that’s politically more powerful than a minority.
You can hate them for being white, but that’s not racism because racism is a social and governmental construct dealing with oppression, not just hatred based on skin color.

With this in mind, fuck white people.

So according to you in asian countries I can not be racist against asians cause they're a most powerful race in those countries and in let's say republic of congo can not be racist against black ppl. Funny shit.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on March 13, 2013, 06:03:40 pm
So according to you in asian countries I can not be racist against asians cause they're a most powerful race in those countries and in let's say republic of congo can not be racist against black ppl. Funny shit.

White people in black/asian countries still have massive white privilege visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Amazing how easy it is for white nerds to get offended when someone brings up some truths. Hope you guys enjoy being the worst type of racists!
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Falka on March 13, 2013, 06:07:13 pm
White people in black/asian countries still have massive white privilege visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Don't tell me that in china white ppl are dominant race  :wink:
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: [ptx] on March 13, 2013, 07:22:36 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login

That feel when some idiot on the internet calls you a racist
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Siiem on March 13, 2013, 07:46:14 pm
That feel when some idiot on the internet calls you a racist

Su, eat potato.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Arathian on March 14, 2013, 10:08:17 am
BADPLAYER, you are delusional, seriously delusional.

This isn't a freeking sociology class. Racism is one thing and one thing only: treating a person worse based on race.

By saying "fuck white people" you are being racist, plain and simple.

But no mod cares about this, right?

edit: also, I enjoy being "the worst type of racist". I presume you are the better type of racist.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: dynamike on March 14, 2013, 02:49:01 pm
BADPLAYER, you are delusional, seriously delusional.

This isn't a freeking sociology class. Racism is one thing and one thing only: treating a person worse based on race.

By saying "fuck white people" you are being racist, plain and simple.

But no mod cares about this, right?

edit: also, I enjoy being "the worst type of racist". I presume you are the better type of racist.


trolling.

Fixed it for you.

Same goes for Shik. Good morning, people.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: [ptx] on March 14, 2013, 02:57:38 pm
Fixed it for you.

Same goes for Shik. Good morning, people.
Is banning from IRC, with no due date for unban, trolling too?

Good morning to you as well, dynamike.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: dynamike on March 14, 2013, 03:22:19 pm
Is banning from IRC, with no due date for unban, trolling too?

Good morning to you as well, dynamike.

In their mind, unfortunately yes.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Uumdi on March 14, 2013, 08:23:31 pm
im a racist i run a 2 minute mile believe me im fast
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Arathian on March 14, 2013, 09:06:45 pm
In their mind, unfortunately yes.

I paid to people whom I thought were serious about what they do and their community.

I seriously hope they are not just trolling here.
Title: Re: [Global] Shik
Post by: Arathian on March 30, 2013, 06:16:51 pm
Still not unbanned Shik...

...I don't know if you think I will let this slide, but I don't really intend to do that.