[Global] Shik

[tizzango]

I don't really take Strategus politics and shit seriously

Was this a joke?

When you are in an argument all you ever do is point to the other persons clan's Strategus diplomacy.. you did it to me yesterday hahahahaha!

You addressed me as "Fallen.." then started talking about what happened in Strat 2 or 3.. I wouldn't know because I don't play the fucking thing. How can you then come out with this statement, after publicly doing the aforementioned.. I really can't believe it.

[Oberyn]

Stop the pussy persecution/victim complex, its why a lot of your group looks really dumb.

Sorry is this from the guy who routinely calls anyone he doesn't like or agree with child molesters, racists and worse?

[Keshian]

Sorry is this from the guy who routinely calls anyone he doesn't like or agree with child molesters, racists and worse?

I'm pretty sure some old posts on forum describe how phantomzero zealot/classical dregged up once some real life stuff about smoothrich actually being a sex offender.  I think its the seeing the needle in your neighbor's eye while ignoring the giant spike in your own eye syndrome.  No idea if true or not but i remember reading something like that in an old forum post when smoothrich was self-destructing last strategus too and basically destroying his clan in the process (man history has a tendency to repeat itself.)


Yeah i tease about taking his medication because of how obsessed and crazy he gets with strategus to the point of equating me and others to child mass murderers days after a guy mass-murdered children. but i don't know the guy at all, he just comes off as a little unhinged when i talk to him.

[Smoothrich]

I'm pretty sure some old posts on forum describe how phantomzero dregged up once some real life stuff about smoothrich actually being a sex offender.  I think its the seeing the needle in your neighbor's eye while ignoring the giant spike in your own eye syndrome.  No idea if true or not but i remember reading something like that in an old forum post when smoothrich was self-destructing last strategus too and basically destroying his clan in the process (man history has a tendency to repeat itself.)


Yeah i tease about taking his medication because of how obsessed and crazy he gets with strategus to the point of equating me and others to child mass murderers days after a guy mass-murdered children. but i don't know the guy at all, he just comes off as a little unhinged when i talk to him.

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[Tomas]

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I'm just gonna address the "logs" one time here since you are hung up on them.  What the hell is so terrible about it?  Its out of context and was the tail end of  like 4-5 months of discussion (long before any Strat wars between clans) happened, and also left out pages of conversation above it with other admins. 

It's also ignoring lots of private Steam chats I had with Shik and other involved parties figuring out what to do and when enough is enough in light of Kesh blatantly trollling on the forums on multiaccounts earlier that day as himself and forgetting to log out to cover his tracks.

This wasn't a one-time thing, other admins, former FCC members, tons of evidence, both of the "head admins" of NA in agreement (more or less, just not how to handle it exactly) over several months have chatted about this and you got some out of context bullshit that was just for drama and are still running with it long after its more or less irrelevant. 

I gladly admit I went over the head of people who should handle these things because I felt the person who primarily handles Strat investigations (not cmp) was intentionally refusing to help the NA admin team on accomplishing anything and due to that I should probably have admins taken away.  I only held on to it for the past year despite all of the shit posting about me being admin because I genuinely like helping people, with a steam list full of cRPG players who come to me for account assistance and questions and have a level head when I play later at night or in Strat and there needs to be people to deal with griefers.

I don't really take Strategus politics and shit seriously and don't think its fun or even actually ever use admin in an abusive way, its just a way to help out people (the people who don't bitch and cry about badmins because I was rude to them once in an internet thread.)

Just chill out dude and face facts and let things be addressed in their own time by the people in charge of them now, which isn't any of us.

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Why they wanted to find the leak is obvious, and Canary already explained it to you earlier.  The leak's already happened, people re-posting joke versions is meaningless, it's the person who was in the channel who decided to give it to Kesh almost immediately afterwards they were concerned about.  It wasn't the content they wanted to stop from getting out, it was the fact someone got something like that out in the first place.

After Smoothrich banned Kesh & drama ensued (including the leaked logs) the following steps happened, loosely in order but I'm probably not completely accurate:
1) Kesh was given the ultimatum to receive a lighter ban if he named the leaker, or to remain permabanned.  Kesh originally implicated Smoothrich, and now is claiming a little birdy told him.  Either way Kesh lied or is still lying about who informed him.   That's a pretty bad start.

2) Next there was discussion/research about who could have been the person who leaked it in the first place. I don't know much of how that went down ultimately, I was around when Vick was being discussed but I wasn't around when he actually got banned or if other information came to light.  The reason certainly wasn't "smoothrich said so", I can guarantee that.

3) I'm assuming at this point Kesh was researched to see if his ban from smooth was justified, and he was found guilty of multi-accounting so the permaban is currently sticking.  Regardless of everything else, there's that.  Pretty cut & dry.

4) Maybe around the time as #3 Smooth's actions were reviewed and he was deadminned.  I wasn't around for all of that discussion.   I'm also not sure when exactly Vick was banned.

5) I think next steps are continuing research.  Maybe Vick is being banned temporarily, maybe he was proven, I honestly have no idea. 


Anyways Matey let me pose this to you: If cmp & the devs were doing this solely to save face, they could have easily thrown Smoothrich under the bus completely.  They could say "smooth fucked up, Kesh's ban is unjustified, we have a renegade admin on the loose" and just deadmin smooth and be done with it.

Instead they deadminned smooth, but they ALSO looked further into the situation and determined there was just cause to keep Kesh banned.  If this is an issue of saving face and covering up some big screwup why would they leave Kesh banned?  The answer is pretty obvious.

It really isn't worth discussing anymore.  Kesh is guilty, Vick is either guilty or they are continuing research, Smoothrich was deadminned for handling the original situation inappropriately.  And frankly if you are so suspicious of the devs that you are unwilling to take the two involved at their words, why are you here?

Since when did Admins ban first and "research" later?

[Rikthor]

Smoothrich stuff

That was actually Zealot/Classical who started trolling him about his real life issues, which got him banned. Phantomzero's crime, in the good book of Smoothrich, was not supporting Smoothrich when he split from LLJK in Strat 3.

[Keshian]

That was actually Zealot/Classical who started trolling him about his real life issues, which got him banned. Phantomzero's crime, in the good book of Smoothrich, was not supporting Smoothrich when he split from LLJK in Strat 3.

Thanks for the correction.

So many people are evil in smoothrich's book, I lose track.

[Ninja_Khorin]

Since when did Admins ban first and "research" later?

Since Smooth banned first. Leaving the higher-ups and other admins to research later.

[Tomas]

Since Smooth banned first. Leaving the higher-ups and other admins to research later.

What about vick then?

[Keshian]

I still don't get why smoth is deadminned (2nd time) instead of just outright losing his adminship.  I know Tears and I have both lost our adminship for far less things than the numerous crap smoothrich has done.  I know its nice to be friends with shik but at a certain point doesn't cronyism carry too far?  As far as I can tell he is still listed as an admin on the forums.

[oprah_winfrey]

I still don't get why smoth is deadminned (2nd time) instead of just outright losing his adminship.  I know Tears and I have both lost our adminship for far less things than the numerous crap smoothrich has done.  I know its nice to be friends with shik but at a certain point doesn't cronyism carry too far?  As far as I can tell he is still listed as an admin on the forums.

Tears of Destiny gave up his admin, he didn't lose his admin. You are the only person I can think of that has actually lost their adminship, although I am sure there are a few others.

And by crap smoothrich has done, do you mean banning you for multiaccounting, when it turns out you were guilty of it.

[Rikthor]

Tears of Destiny gave up his admin, he didn't lose his admin. You are the only person I can think of that has actually lost their adminship, although I am sure there are a few others.

Nuffen lost his thanks to a popular vote

[Lt_Anders]

Tears of Destiny gave up his admin, he didn't lose his admin. You are the only person I can think of that has actually lost their adminship, although I am sure there are a few others.

And by crap smoothrich has done, do you mean banning you for multiaccounting, when it turns out you were guilty of it.

EarthDForce lost his for some trolling on EU servers by being a peasant or some shit for 5 maps.

[Matey]

Actually that would only lift one of Kesh's two bans (certainly not the multiaccounting one) so get your facts straight before you shout "FACT" and do your Fox News math.

yeah it would lift the ban you gave him for having posted logs you didnt want him to have access of. you still gave him a ban for posting logs and you still offered to unban him if he ratted someone out. also, the ban he got for posting logs was worse than the ban he got for multiaccounting. you also lied to me when you said no one else had been ban even though vick had already been ban and remains ban.

[Duster]

yeah it would lift the ban you gave him for having posted logs you didnt want him to have access of. you still gave him a ban for posting logs and you still offered to unban him if he ratted someone out. also, the ban he got for posting logs was worse than the ban he got for multiaccounting. you also lied to me when you said no one else had been ban even though vick had already been ban and remains ban.

Matey, you're breaking down dude.... just leave it alone, move on. At this point, kesh has been permabanned by a dev, and homey's case is being handled. You're not going to accomplish anything with this crusade.