lower upkeep?all instruments of war need taking care of
How about horses need feed per day and that costs anything ;)
you know like a flat rate!
There is a problem when I (an HA, arguably the cheapest cavalry build) lose money on anything but a x5. My courser wipes out over 1000 gold every time it's repaired. I need a x5 + a significant length of round time to make money on that. Mind you the arrow repair factor doesn't help. But even a x5 on rounds that only last 2 mins (frequent on the EU servers), doesn't generate any where near enough to make up for the repair costs. I've been bleeding money (from 40000 to 15000) since the patch came out. And that's only playing about 6 hours of crpg since it did.how much does the site say you wear qau costs(without the extra loom value)?
My equipment:
Spirited Courser
MW Hornbow
3 sets Bodkins (expensive these days I know, but worth it)
Steppe armour
Nomad boots
Leather gloves
You nerfed cav slightly, at least reduce the cost of maintaining that build to make up for it.
Vote NO
My char is 1H cav (Champion Cataphract Horse ) 55000-70000 equipment and no problems with the new upkeep
Stop whining about little girli ponys like arabian or courser ..
1.4k for a top score class is ridiculous
Well you're either losing shit loads of money...and so have lots in reserve. Or are just incredibly lucky with multipliers. Apparently you can only sustain 48000 equipment and break even if you have a win/loss streak of 50-50 on the servers. And unless you are lucky, or play small servers and drag the game out. Then you are just trolling.
And considering your horse lancer nerf thread...you are probably just a troll.
Thirdly, the lance speed got increased, now if I understand it correctly, the slower a weapon the more the speed bonus, and speed bonus is a lancers bread and butter.Haha, that's correct.
Horses are cheap as they are now. Breaks every 15-20th round, basically only item with no upkeep, just like the pre upkeep patch. That's why there are so many armored horses on the battlefield.
Armor and weapons brake chance seems so much higher. Paying 1.6k for destrier every 10th round (if you're unlucky) is way better than paying 4-6 times 750 gold per 10 rounds for xbow.
Horses are cheap as they are now. Breaks every 15-20th round, basically only item with no upkeep, just like the pre upkeep patch. That's why there are so many armored horses on the battlefield.
Armor and weapons brake chance seems so much higher. Paying 1.6k for destrier every 10th round (if you're unlucky) is way better than paying 4-6 times 750 gold per 10 rounds for xbow.
around 1000-15000 since 3-4 months , EU1 or pecores..Looms dont count so fail.
Whos the troll?
You dosnt know anythings about this basic upkeep system.
Lets just say, crpg economy is pure communism. Praise comrade chadz .The correct money quantity is important. Less is more....
Damn idiot devs! They know nothing.
Nope, pun just sucked.
maybe lower the chance of repairs on horses, i made a post not so long ago about been constantly team switched to the losing team, and it seems to be every other map, so i don't make much money as it is, i also mentioned earlier today that the lower tier horses are terrible and not even worth using, if i want to play as cavalry i need a decent horse, i've even been resorting to riding my horse in pretty much peasant gear and repair after repair on my horse is completely fucking me, i've also had to resort to playing as infantry more and more, someone ingame said to me, "well don't ride a horse", well, it kinda sucks that i can't play my prefered class because i can't afford it...
I do admit it took me a full twenty seconds to figure it out...
if I choose to go in normal gear
Palfrey
Heavy lance
Heraldic mail with tabard
Mail chausses
Mail guantlets
Mighty Poleaxe
in total if it breaks it will cost me around 1.2K plus (over 2K if the poleaxe breaks :evil: )
now if I go in my heavy gear
Plated charger
Milanese Plate
Milanese Sallet
Shynbaulds
Plate Mittens
Mighty Poleaxe
now im not one of the people who have 100's of thousands of K sitting in my pocket I rarely get over 30K and keep it there, soI want to keep the little ammount I do have but I roughly worked out that if this breaks it will cost between 12K plus to repair these items before it would cost around 7K-8K. Its a big jump and even those who have a shit tone of money laying around will soon be broke by this upkeep.
Lol your light gear is a mid-range expensive lance and one of the most expensive polearms as secondary. Its not the horse (palfrey) so much as such expesnive weaponry. To put it into perspective, most polearmers on foot only go into battle with 1 polearm. Use a cheaper secondary polearm if you are using a horse and heavy lance too. Or switch to light lance with a mid-range melee polearm.
some good points, but since the heavy lance is useless on foot, and with the turning range at 40 degrees, the light lance is useless on horse since EVERYTHING outranges you.
I would disagree, going from 185 length to 175 length doesn't destroy your outranging most players. What happens is you can no longer outrange heavy lance users so have to rely on better timing and positioning.
I would disagree, going from 185 length to 175 length doesn't destroy your outranging most players. What happens is you can no longer outrange heavy lance users so have to rely on better timing and positioning.
Lol have you even touched a horse? They break every 2-5 rounds as Hunter says. Stop spouting random crap.
I ride my destrier a lot but not all the time. It's not my problem that you guys are dedicated horsemen, even in narrow town alleys...
I would disagree, going from 185 length to 175 length doesn't destroy your outranging most players. What happens is you can no longer outrange heavy lance users so have to rely on better timing and positioning.
I ride my destrier a lot but not all the time. It's not my problem that you guys are dedicated horsemen, even in narrow town alleys...
I ride my destrier a lot but not all the time. It's not my problem that you guys are dedicated horsemen, even in narrow town alleys...
I play 2 hand infantry mainly but have a cavalry alt and it's impossible to be dedicated cav. I use heavy lance, rouncey, white tunic over mail, nordic helmet and leather boots. I still struggle to go on my horse every round (even with a rouncey). I support a lowering of upkeep for cavalry even if it means more backstabs for my main because struggling for money with just a rouncey is just ridiculous.that's the point, if you have the most suckish horse that is playable(so not the freakin sumpter!!!) and bad armor and the only viable lance, you still loose money if you have bad luck. it's redicoules!
I want cookies.didn't mean that Paul-.-, cmon, tell us what you think about the freakin topic!
didn't mean that Paul-.-, cmon, tell us what you think about the freakin topic!
I think cav is fine and I want cookies. (Forgot to buy those last time. :( )`dop you play cav?
Hardly, I only have 5 cav chars(including main).are any of them lancers?
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Wait, who said that I score kills?mehhh
Wait, who said that I score kills?then how would you know anything about lancing?
Horses are the hugest force multiplier in the game, they are priced accordingly in the upkeep system. One could argue that they are even more powerful than having heavy armor and we all know where even the average cavalry are located on the scoreboards (hint: look up).
Horses are the hugest force multiplier in the game, they are priced accordingly in the upkeep system. One could argue that they are even more powerful than having heavy armor and we all know where even the average cavalry are located on the scoreboards (hint: look up).Bull, an idiot will just charge in and get himself killed. If he tops the scoreboard, it's because he finds people who are even more retarded and backstabs them.
Bull, an idiot will just charge in and get himself killed. If he tops the scoreboard, it's because he finds people who are even more retarded and backstabs them.
I'd say only lower repairs on armoured horses, 4.2k for a mamluk horse for instance is overkill.
So we're balancing on the worst instances of players now? If that were the case, a fool will rush in solo in plate armor without waiting for his team, and get stunlocked to death by a group of enemies. Should we increase the armor on plate based on that observation as well?no because that isn't the role of infantry, it is the role of cav.
no because that isn't the role of infantry, it is the role of cav.
I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. The role of cav is to run in solo and die at the beginning of the round? To be impervious to damage? Cav already has insane mobility what is the downside to this advantage? Smart cavalry choose their battles at a whim and simply because there are a few who carry pikes doesn't mean that every other infantryman and especially archers are not insanely vulnerable to a cav flank.
My question remains, why trend down towards the lowest common denominator. Cav is a huge advantage, it should come at a heavy cost, much like plate is a huge advantage and comes at a heavy cost.
uhm... shields are a huge advantage in some respects. For one thing, non-directional dependant blocking, stopping arrows.
Compared to non shielder classes, a shield is a huge advantage as it makes you invulnerable to ranged fire for a long time. Therefore shields should also come at a heavy cost.
Am I the only cav who can't even kill a lone archer? They wiggle around and make my horse into a pin cushion. Then I fall off and kill him, and pay a massive wod of cash at the end.
your not alone unlike some cav who use the arabian I choose to use a plafrey, rouncey or a destrier and archers can just run around me no matter what way I turn, its really annoying and no cav doesnt have insane mobility its only the arabian that does and that got nerfed because of it so you infomation is outdated on that.
Am I the only cav who can't even kill a lone archer? They wiggle around and make my horse into a pin cushion. Then I fall off and kill him, and pay a massive wod of cash at the end.
Yesterday on NA 1 My self Cavalieres_Huey and the lads bought out the Plated chargers for some formation couched lance action across a bridge blocked a group of archers and pikeman. God damn it was fun, a couple of times we managed to break throw their formation with about 6-7 of us doing a frontal charge (could only go 2 side by side because it was a narrow bridge). IT was so much fun to be apart of some organised cavalry doing frontal charges. BUT the Fing cost it cost me over 11k for my 4 rounds of full plate action.
Is that fun no. how long does it take to make 11K as cav on the Aussie server AGES. Is this fair? NO.
Reduce up keep of horses or let some open maps be free of up keep. Or let some random rounds be free of up keep so people who are not power gamers can enjoy them selves.
Any horse is multiple times faster than any infantryman, to say cavalry doesn't have insane mobility is to willfully ignore this fact.
and provide in similar manner to shield an extra reserve of hitpoints with the only drawback being they are expensive.
I still fail to see the problem here.
Ylca, is seems to me you have a very biased opinion of cav. Have you tried it yourself ?
near immunity to damage
near immunity to damage
near immunity to damage
near immunity to damage
near immunity to damage
Ylca, is seems to me you have a very biased opinion of cav. Have you tried it yourself ? Have you played cav when people camp roofs 5 maps (maps, not rounds) in a row ? How is it supposed to be easy when any decent archer can knock his arrow and hold it during "half an hour" waiting for you to come closer ?
Has nothing to do with what you quote. It's not about speed but maneuver.
Blocking with one's horse, interesting concept. AFAIK the rider can't decide who is hit between him and his horse. If the enemy hits the rider, the rider looses HP.
its obvious you never played cav :)
I did play a generation as cavalry, i wasn't particularly interested in the class i'll admit but my points aren't based on any distaste for cav, i absolutely love to see the good ones on my team and they save my slow reloading self on more than one occasion. Honestly if you look over at archers who can't even carry multiple stacks of their second best arrow without going broke, cavalry have it super good.back to what is was
Hey here's a thought, how about you actually discuss this topic instead of taking a quote i made about plated chargers having near immunity to damage and misrepresenting it as a statement i made about all cavalry. No one in the thread is stupid enough to have missed the point of that statement and you ham-fistedly trying to fox news quote me into irrelevance instead of actually taking on my points is saying a lot more about you than me, freund.
That said, to the people who are actually discussing in good form- we've had a lot of back and forth what do you guys think a fair change to upkeep would be? I think prepatch was well too low, you guys think that the current rate is too high. How close to the middle do you want to go?
Honestly if you look over at archers who can't even carry multiple stacks of their second best arrow without going broke, cavalry have it super good.
Hey here's a thought, how about you actually discuss this topic instead of taking a quote i made about plated chargers having near immunity to damage and misrepresenting it as a statement i made about all cavalry.
Am I the only cav who can't even kill a lone archer? They wiggle around and make my horse into a pin cushion. Then I fall off and kill him, and pay a massive wod of cash at the end.
Nothing is more easy then gaining kills while on a horse.
I say increase upkeep of horses.
especially the Arab and Courser
Sick of all you Torben/leed wannabe new comers bumping your team mates 24/7 to pad your kdr trying to killsteal on the 120 man server the server was unplayable before the latest Lance nerf and upkeep increase for anyone not on a pony
Yep ur right Kafein. As a good cavalry you can kill guys with even a bit shorter weapons ( light lance etc. ) most of the guys forget to stab a bit faster and they die. but still it is terrible that a common peasant can block a heavy lance with a wooden stick or sth. You shouldn't be able to block a lance with anything else than shield. also pikes should break after stopping the cav. and blocking with wooden weapons should be like with shield. the wooden weapon should have it's own HP like shield so after like 5 blocks with long spear it would just break and you would get hit. In fact if we took all the features from reality game would be balanced. There is no better balance than realism ( at least in my opinion )
Tzar.................................. no
Most usable horses, meaning horses usable without having to exploit and ghost on teamspeak while using banner stack, are one hit point wonders. 2 good hits of anything will bring you down, and one hit kills are too common. Compare to plated men who can take several hits from large 2 handed weapons, and you can know what is a real tank. Dont forget the whiffing that plate often causes. The opponent has to get timing and distance perfect, while taking into account ping, while your strength stacked plate 2hand/polearm build can just ignore blocking and swing. To defeat this build you need lots of PS and survivability, so lets add strength, and plate, maybe some iron flesh.
Uh oh, you just became what you were trying to defeat. Now you are a plate man with a large weapon, you might need to block and feint against another plate man, but apart from that, swing away. So much for duelers having skill.
And heavens forbid if another lowly class interrupts your plate "duel" like a lancer punishing your lack of awareness, or an archer shooting you. If that happens head over to ask for a nerf of the class. In no way adapt and bring a shield or pike.
You might want to forgo the cost effective plate for a horse, and enjoy the following benefits.
1. Having your horse one shotted by anything (foot archers, crossbows, throwing), then dying as people shoot you trying to get up.
2. Getting bankrupted fast.
3. Getting dehorsed, and trying to go toe to toe with pure infantry duelist builds. enjoy your whiffs while he laughs in your face and swings without blocking your swing. Oh and you have no armour since the horse cost too much so you die in one hit. According to the 2 hand lobby you lack skill since the RNG god did not give you full weapon damage and your ping made your timing off so you got a whiff instead of a slightly stunning 4+ damage hit, while the plated dueler has skill because he pressed LMB.
Meanwhile you perform well and get 10 4+ damage hits, but one whiff and you die, while the plate man has 1/2 life left. and he spent less than you in upkeep.
Right now horses are too expensive, while plate is too inexpensive for the massive benefits.
But what did you expect? Given chadz's location this horse hating vision of the game is natural. If chadz was from turkey like Armagan we might get more sensible horses and cav, but now, enjoy your germanic fetish for plate armour and oversized 2 hand weapons.
You gotta work on your lobbyism skills your post is so full of fail arguments and none valid points even claiming your horse get 1 shotted by archers ect ect i dunno where to begin you even claim plate armor is a benefit which is wrong try and step down from your pony and play infantry and then comeback and post.
You gotta work on your lobbyism skills your post is so full of fail arguments and none valid points even claiming your horse get 1 shotted by archers ect ect i dunno where to begin try stepping down from your pony and play infantry and then comeback and post.
these days most cav spend alot of time as infExactly. That's why I am hybrid. Earning money as helpful pikeman and then loosing as tank.
Increase the upkeep on horses, seriously.
I haven't seen this many armored horses since first upkeep patch went online.
Price is high but some obviously can pay it. Make them pay more for that luxury.
Increase the upkeep on horses, seriously.even if heavy horses are used more this patch, it doesn't mean cav is better now(people use it more because more people sell their looms now) it's just a different gameplay as cav, you try to kill other kinds of people and by that helping your team in a different way
I haven't seen this many armored horses since first upkeep patch went online.
Price is high but some obviously can pay it. Make them pay more for that luxury.
You gotta work on your lobbyism skills your post is so full of fail arguments and none valid points even claiming your horse get 1 shotted by archers ect ect i dunno where to begin try stepping down from your pony and play infantry and then comeback and post.
Increase the upkeep on horses, seriously.
I haven't seen this many armored horses since first upkeep patch went online.
Price is high but some obviously can pay it. Make them pay more for that luxury.
/This
They used to be rare now they are plenty and in every match suitable for horses.
Also what I dont like is when even if you hit the horses dead on the riders weapon will connect with you the next split second anyway. on foot at least the guy stagger on hit but sitting on a horse nothing happens unless you get the rider. In short the horse should react too, if that happen then I could support armored horses getting buffed.
Also what I dont like is when even if you hit the horses dead on the riders weapon will connect with you the next split second anyway. on foot at least the guy stagger on hit but sitting on a horse nothing happens unless you get the rider. In short the horse should react too, if that happen then I could support armored horses getting buffed.
/ThisBlame the market noy upkeep then, dont blame heavy cav for raping you when thye have clear weaknesses.
They used to be rare now they are plenty and in every match suitable for horses.
Also what I dont like is when even if you hit the horses dead on the riders weapon will connect with you the next split second anyway. on foot at least the guy stagger on hit but sitting on a horse nothing happens unless you get the rider. In short the horse should react too, if that happen then I could support armored horses getting buffed.
just bought some cheap infantry gear, gonna have to grind as infantry for a while if i want to keep on playing as cavalry... :rolleyes:how much do you have on equipment without heirloom worth?
Ah I See. Then lower upkeep for flamberge too please and while you're at it I really like to wear my lordly heirloomed full plate with cased greaves armet and heavy gauntlets every round, as it just looks so nice with the flamberge. Also, the upkeep of around 4k for a lost round is just too high... can you maybe make it like 40 gold?
I think I shall vote no. :twisted:
Can't see the need to take my best liked gear be it flamberge (1.2k upkeep) or anything else every round, and I can't even bump into my heavy gear...
What it's all about now is: Keep the good stuff for special occasions and dress up (or ride up) to impress once in a while and if it get's too expensive take a lame sumpter horse (or just don't repair your plated charger until it can't even wear it's own armour anymore :)
I think i vote NO... :twisted:
Sir mateusz : Guess what i was joking with the sumpter horse, on second thougt - for u i wasn t...as infantry you can wear plate easily 24/7 if you go for the same prices we do on equipment.(up to 50k)
my bad flamberge upkeep is around 1.4 k right now and everything else i would be wearing in your assumption is peasant gear... by that assumption made my upkeep would be higher than your s with just a weapon and i can t even outrun nor bump u so i guess we would be even on the battlefield if (no offence) you would not be such a noob :P and constantly attack me with your heavy lance (instant kill even in good armour) or bump me from behind while i am busy fighting that lvl 3 peasant...
Simon Templar : Yes you are so right... when i started playing and riding my warhorse into battle on Gen 2 i had to actually pay for that sucker... took me ages to get that money just to buy it, since there was no klick-one minute over here you get your Gold - ah just stand there do nothing scream your only lvl 2 and are useless anyhow leaching...
YOUR (Frist Point) not like thing s havn't changed - now you don t even have to pay upkeep anymore on your first Gen a whole bunch of lvl's and can get some spare money from the Start...
Your (Second Point) I already voted NO :evil:
YOUR (Third Point
From what idiots you get allways this stupid ideas. Is there somebody who said bullshit in your ears or what. I am really pissed of all this changes allways.) I am not sure if i really want to read on but the idea is not bad - my idea for that, take lesson's on programming and implement it yourself
YOUR (Fourth Point) Hmmm old idea maybe?!? Guess so...
Let's just say we both don't understand eachothers english and speak of the same thing...
Oh and BTW kiss your own ass i am not into that stuff you seem to like :rolleyes:
A Big Prob is want the People dont spoke children is. And know listen!!!!! Maybe you learn someting. IS: That when there is somebody who know have something to say in this Fuckin CRPG mod he listen.
Sir mateusz : Guess what i was joking with the sumpter horse, on second thougt - for u i wasn t...
my bad flamberge upkeep is around 1.4 k right now and everything else i would be wearing in your assumption is peasant gear... by that assumption made my upkeep would be higher than your s with just a weapon and i can t even outrun nor bump u so i guess we would be even on the battlefield if (no offence) you would not be such a noob :P and constantly attack me with your heavy lance (instant kill even in good armour) or bump me from behind while i am busy fighting that lvl 3 peasant...
You sir...are an idiot.
You're comparing a flamberge (best 2h) to a medium tier horse. Now take the top tier horses (Mamluk, Plated Charger) and make that comparison again (best vs best). Who would be paying more upkeep? :wink:
If a cavalrymen wore his best armour, took his best weapon and heaviest horse, he'd be paying at least twice as much a fully armoured, heaviest/best equipped infantrymen.
Sir mateusz : Guess what i was joking with the sumpter horse, on second thougt - for u i wasn t...Ohhh i killed you few times in a row:(( ? Don't cry its only a game.
my bad flamberge upkeep is around 1.4 k right now and everything else i would be wearing in your assumption is peasant gear... by that assumption made my upkeep would be higher than your s with just a weapon and i can t even outrun nor bump u so i guess we would be even on the battlefield if (no offence) you would not be such a noob :P and constantly attack me with your heavy lance (instant kill even in good armour) or bump me from behind while i am busy fighting that lvl 3 peasant...
You Sir seem to be a smart ass, so what you are saying is basicly that you pay more upkeep if you use 2 more inventory slot s than me as a 2hander?!? :?Who cares about slots if you as 2h-Fighter need only your sword (oh and skill you obviously don't have) to be effective on battlefield. If you can't evade bumps its your problem I think - many good players don't let me bump them so easily, or not at all.
I think it is really not fair to compare the plated charger - wich is a weapon that can do probably more damage on it's own without you (obvious trololo) or any other rider by bumping me, with my poor flamberge lying there on the ground beside s my dead body doing nothing.
the main thing about this is not to make high tier horses more usable you idiots, but to make up to the Palfrey at least, usuable all the time with low end gearYes, heavy armored horses upkkep should be high as it is, because these horses are almost bulletproof, and you have to pay for this great benefit.
You Sir seem to be a smart ass, so what you are saying is basicly that you pay more upkeep if you use 2 more inventory slot s than me as a 2hander?!? :?
I think it is really not fair to compare the plated charger - wich is a weapon that can do probably more damage on it's own without you (obvious trololo) or any other rider by bumping me, with my poor flamberge lying there on the ground beside s my dead body doing nothing.
In conclusion and short just my own oppinion :rolleyes: once again: Nobody really stops you from having my cheap build, but if you want to be special looking down on poor infantry man that don t see you coming some time s or have to jump across the plain's from you, yes you should pay for it, just like me if i want to be a cav. overall your using at least one more inventory slot than anybody else and don't even get slowed down by that... TY