Lower upkeep on horses

[Paul]

Nope, pun just sucked.

[Tears of Destiny]

Nope, pun just sucked.

I do admit it took me a full twenty seconds to figure it out...

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

maybe lower the chance of repairs on horses, i made a post not so long ago about been constantly team switched to the losing team, and it seems to be every other map, so i don't make much money as it is, i also mentioned earlier today that the lower tier horses are terrible and not even worth using, if i want to play as cavalry i need a decent horse, i've even been resorting to riding my horse in pretty much peasant gear and repair after repair on my horse is completely fucking me, i've also had to resort to playing as infantry more and more, someone ingame said to me, "well don't ride a horse", well, it kinda sucks that i can't play my prefered class because i can't afford it...

same I have to play as inf just to save money and thats while wearing low armor, its stupid that I am "forced" to play as inf in order to save about 5K only to lose it after playing as cav for 2 rounds. Also do any of the devs actually have a cav build because all the devs I have seen all play as 2 handers?......

[Wookimonsta]

I do admit it took me a full twenty seconds to figure it out...

i still didnt get it

[Keshian]

if I choose to go in normal gear

Palfrey
Heavy lance
Heraldic mail with tabard
Mail chausses
Mail guantlets
Mighty Poleaxe

in total if it breaks it will cost me around 1.2K plus (over 2K if the poleaxe breaks  )

now if I go in my heavy gear

Plated charger
Milanese Plate
Milanese Sallet
Shynbaulds
Plate Mittens
Mighty Poleaxe

now im not one of the people who have 100's of thousands of K sitting in my pocket I rarely get over 30K and keep it there, soI want to keep the little ammount I do have but I roughly worked out that if this breaks it will cost between 12K plus to repair these items before it would cost around 7K-8K. Its a big jump and even those who have a shit tone of money laying around will soon be broke by this upkeep.

Lol your light gear is a mid-range expensive lance and one of the most expensive polearms as secondary.  Its not the horse (palfrey) so much as such expesnive weaponry.  To put it into perspective, most polearmers on foot only go into battle with 1 polearm.  Use a cheaper secondary polearm if you are using a horse and heavy lance too.  Or switch to light lance with a mid-range melee polearm.

[Wookimonsta]

Lol your light gear is a mid-range expensive lance and one of the most expensive polearms as secondary.  Its not the horse (palfrey) so much as such expesnive weaponry.  To put it into perspective, most polearmers on foot only go into battle with 1 polearm.  Use a cheaper secondary polearm if you are using a horse and heavy lance too.  Or switch to light lance with a mid-range melee polearm.

some good points, but since the heavy lance is useless on foot, and with the turning range at 40 degrees, the light lance is useless on horse since EVERYTHING outranges you.

[Keshian]

some good points, but since the heavy lance is useless on foot, and with the turning range at 40 degrees, the light lance is useless on horse since EVERYTHING outranges you.

I would disagree, going from 185 length to 175 length doesn't destroy your outranging most players.  What happens is you can no longer outrange heavy lance users so have to rely on better timing and positioning.

[Wookimonsta]

I would disagree, going from 185 length to 175 length doesn't destroy your outranging most players.  What happens is you can no longer outrange heavy lance users so have to rely on better timing and positioning.

actually, i tried a heavy lance, to the front, those 10 range are important. Even fully extended the light lance doesnt go very far beyond the horses head.

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

I would disagree, going from 185 length to 175 length doesn't destroy your outranging most players.  What happens is you can no longer outrange heavy lance users so have to rely on better timing and positioning.

2 handers can use a lolstab to outrange a Heavy lance so a Light lance  is even worse. Also with this new upkeep rise I dont think there is any polearm that is cheap -_-

[Leshma]

Lol have you even touched a horse? They break every 2-5 rounds as Hunter says. Stop spouting random crap.

I ride my destrier a lot but not all the time. It's not my problem that you guys are dedicated horsemen, even in narrow town alleys...

[Overdriven]

I ride my destrier a lot but not all the time. It's not my problem that you guys are dedicated horsemen, even in narrow town alleys...

So we should be forced to go as inf with shit armour for tons of rounds just to ride a horse for 2 rounds? Makes no sense. Entirely removes the point of dedicated cavalry. That's like saying the upkeep on all 2h should be massive. So for the rest of the time you should run around with a low level 1h till you can afford to use a 2h for 2 rounds.

I would disagree, going from 185 length to 175 length doesn't destroy your outranging most players.  What happens is you can no longer outrange heavy lance users so have to rely on better timing and positioning.

+10 range makes a huge difference. Most, if not all, lancers use the heavy lance at the moment. Lolstabs can out range even a heavy lance. Especially with the 40 degree angle. All they have to do is sidestep and lolstab. Which all but the most incompetent 2h can do.

[Wookimonsta]

I ride my destrier a lot but not all the time. It's not my problem that you guys are dedicated horsemen, even in narrow town alleys...

good idea, lets make all weapon upkeep so massive that in order to use them for 2 rounds, you have to fight without any weapons for 10 rounds. That should balance things up.
Sillyness aside, horses cost way too damn much.

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

I ride my destrier a lot but not all the time. It's not my problem that you guys are dedicated horsemen, even in narrow town alleys...

only people like templar tommy ride around on tiny town maps. and I have yet to see you on a horse last time I saw you you was playing as inf on a wide open map with very few buildings even those who are broke horsemen would go on horseback on that type of map.

Also the heavy lance is 190 reach so thats 15 more reach then a light and since the long spear was added its now even harder to play as cav on anymap since it sems every foot class has one even with 0 WPF.

[CaptainQuantum]

I play 2 hand infantry mainly but have a cavalry alt and it's impossible to be dedicated cav. I use heavy lance, rouncey, white tunic over mail, nordic helmet and leather boots. I still struggle to go on my horse every round (even with a rouncey). I support a lowering of upkeep for cavalry even if it means more backstabs for my main because struggling for money with just a rouncey is just ridiculous.

[Glyph]

I play 2 hand infantry mainly but have a cavalry alt and it's impossible to be dedicated cav. I use heavy lance, rouncey, white tunic over mail, nordic helmet and leather boots. I still struggle to go on my horse every round (even with a rouncey). I support a lowering of upkeep for cavalry even if it means more backstabs for my main because struggling for money with just a rouncey is just ridiculous.

that's the point, if you have the most suckish horse that is playable(so not the freakin sumpter!!!) and bad armor and the only viable lance, you still loose money if you have bad luck. it's redicoules!

and Paul, please tell us what you think.