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Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« on: June 08, 2011, 12:15:40 pm »
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Need some tips for how a 2Hander should fight a shielder/1hander.
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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2011, 12:48:54 pm »
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My main is a 1hander, so i may be wrong, but i guess first is footwork (high athletic) to use the high lenght of your weapon and turn around the shield. Next i guess is feint, the guy is shield up you feint, he believe you strike, he down his shield to hit you, you strike him first (doesn't work against good 1hander).

But i guess the nemesis of shield is an axe, you destroy his shield in 3 or 4 hit and then it's a free way for your strike (many 1hander don't know how to manual block).

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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2011, 01:07:12 pm »
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Having played both 1h+shield and 2hander a lot i'll offer some advice. As a 2hander you have the range advantage so use it and try to keep the shielder on the very edge of your killing zone at all times, always be trying to get behind the shielder too. Pull off some feints, if he doesn't fall for one, two or even three swing feints try a straight hit - he may think it's feint and let you hit him, mind games! Mix it up a bit, feint sometimes, othertimes trade blows a little. Use a weapon with the special effect 'bonus against shield' and try to get through the shield.

If the shielder is a very good player (likely due to the average skill level of players in cRPG) simple feints wont work often and they can probably manual block decently too. In this case you try a kickslash or take the easy way out and bring friends to gang up on him while doinf all of the above.
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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2011, 02:05:01 pm »
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invest in a great maul
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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 02:52:50 pm »
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invest in a great maul

An axe is better. A decent shielder will likely evade your attack and spam you to pieces.

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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 03:06:04 pm »
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step to their sides. Circling hurts them more than others.
Don't hold your first 3 or four swings, then hold one just a bit before releasing. Set a pace, then disrupt it and you'll get a kill 90% of the time.
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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2011, 03:12:12 pm »
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step to their sides. Circling hurts them more than others.
Don't hold your first 3 or four swings, then hold one just a bit before releasing. Set a pace, then disrupt it and you'll get a kill 90% of the time.

This. Try to begin with simple combat attack-block-attack-block and so on then a feint has a higher chance of success. If you feint right away he'll be concentrated.

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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 04:31:00 pm »
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I use a Great Long Bardiche, so it's a shieldbreaker but painfully slow, so I can easily get spammed by a 1her if I let them stay in my face.

I'm still perfecting this technique, but I guess you'd call it "jousting": I run past the shielder and unleash my swing at max range, but just keep running past them afterwards. Rinse and repeat. Thanks to the speed bonus, even steel shields break in <5 swings. Unfortunately, this technique fails me fairly often, with the shielder often smacking me in the ass after I pass them. But I also have 3 athletics, so maybe this works better if you are speedy.

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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 07:36:48 pm »
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I use a Great Long Bardiche, so it's a shieldbreaker but painfully slow, so I can easily get spammed by a 1her if I let them stay in my face.

I'm still perfecting this technique, but I guess you'd call it "jousting": I run past the shielder and unleash my swing at max range, but just keep running past them afterwards. Rinse and repeat. Thanks to the speed bonus, even steel shields break in <5 swings. Unfortunately, this technique fails me fairly often, with the shielder often smacking me in the ass after I pass them. But I also have 3 athletics, so maybe this works better if you are speedy.
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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 08:45:41 pm »
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spam them, learn to block well and try to sneak in for the side/back while frontal dueling where the shields aura is not effective (aim low)
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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 09:54:01 pm »
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If you are not a good blocker, there is nothing you can do in a 1v1 situation with an experienced shielder (kinngrimm comes into mind), he won't wait for you to spam his shield down and once he lands a hit you'll be spammed to death with 0 chances to strike back unless you block. Good shielders generally have agi builds so footwork won't help as it's very likely they have higher athletics then you do.

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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 11:06:38 pm »
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Kickslash.

Prepare block for his coming attack, maneuver your body, kick, slash. Rinse and repeat. If he's spamming feints, it may be hard to actually block his attack, as well as kicking him. If so, you'll be punished hard if you miss with your kick.
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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2011, 11:19:42 pm »
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run ;-)

no seriously it's hard if he has some skill.

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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2011, 05:16:12 pm »
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Swing at you 2h's max range. As he blocks the fist swing: stay at that range and immediately swing again. Use footwork to make him miss his swing as your swing just hits due to it's superior range. This is easiest and very effective, especially with the longer weapons like greatswords. (Kite-spam)

If you're a good manual blocker, you can also try to facehug him and try to get behind him. This is relatively easy to do and quite effective.

Some shielders fall for feints. Try one or maybe two. If they don't fall for the first feint, beware. They will counter by spamming you, thus hitting you while you're feinting.

And lastly, like marathon said, try holding an attack just a bit longer. Good shielders release their block instantly after you hit. By delaying a swing a bit (holding it a bit longer), you can make them release block early.

Some shielders are very predictable in their swing directions. If you have practiced this, you can try a chamber block. I'm mentioning this because it's possible, not because it's the smart thing to do though. But some situations allow you to chamber. Sadly, most alert shielders don't fall for a chamber block counter. Some do though.

To sum it up, there are several techniques:

  • Kite-spamming
  • Facehug / get behind
  • Feinting
  • Holding
  • Chamberblock

The trick is to guess which approach works best for your opponent.

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Re: Tips to fight a 1h shielder
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2011, 05:32:55 pm »
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I find the easiest way is to facehug shielders and swing at their feet.  This causes most of them to glance off of me with every swing while I enjoy full damage.  This doesn't work on warhammer's and steel picks however, but against any other 1her it seems to be almost a guaranteed nullifier to their short weapon.
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