Is the conflict in Syria turning into a proxy war?

[Murmillus_Prime]

No, Murmillus. We are all deluded. You and your friends at RT are the ones who know the real truth(s). Jews and USA are trying to start WW3 to save Wests failing economy and get more oil and Russia is trying to prevent it. As far as im concerned, you are a worldhero just by being a russian Murmillus. God bless the Motherland! Such open honesty and transparency, like the Kremlin has is rare these days because of US worldwide hegemony of terror and deceit.

I'm not Russian, I have no special relationship with the Russian people or state. But I guess accusing me of being Russian or refusing to face up to reality is your way of coping, well who am I to dictate how another manages to cope with their reality, even if they're happily and wilfully deluded to the point of inanity.

[Murmillus_Prime]

That's just a self-congratulatory media briefing. It obviously was a media event, just look at the amount of microphones pointed at the speaker.

Granted, it's interesting and refreshing to see some operational level stuff like this. But a prepared explanation of one or two successful operations to the media doesn't really make the whole regime transparent.

The maps in the background and the operation center feel of where it was done doesn't automatically mean that what they said was 100% truthful either.
At most, it's their point of view, and exactly as much as they wanted to say.

Nothing about errors, consequences to civilians, what could be done better or improved or anything like that in there of course. Everything was perfect and the enemy was defeated cleanly is often the message given out but very rarely the reality of war.

Well it's a good thing I never stated that the Russian establishment or ruling elite were 100% transparent, I've just stated they're far more transparent than our own NATO member state governments. I've yet to see over the years a similar presentation conducted by the "American led" coalition which has supposedly been bombing ISIS for years.

[Murmillus_Prime]

Read the abstract of a psychological study about conspiracy theorists a couple of days ago. Yes, there actually are a few studies.
They found out that the more proof for their sources and 'knowledge' about things being flawed or even faulty, the harder they assume you're either some kind of send agent of the big conspiracy or naive, deluded, uneducated, blind 'sheep'.
But of course all those studies either aim at the 'others' or are contract work for government agencies.

On the contrary if anything my accusations of brainwashing, being braindead or deluded only sought to mirror similar accusations laid against myself by a handful of opponents in this thread, including yourself. Now you think after indulging in such name calling you're in a position to try and profile someone for doing the same back? When you make this point, are you talking about yourself? If so well done, you're on the first step to coming to your senses.

Oh and I must have skipped over/missed this article titled. " Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:38 EXCLUSIVE: Israeli Colonel Leading ISIL Terrorists Captured in Iraq"

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940730000210

Oh but the news agency is based in Iran, so I guess they're lying because our governments treat them like the bad guys and say they have a nuclear weapons program that we can't prove exists. I guess it's difficult to prove what does not exist to exist though right?

I'd love to know what media you guys consume that's enticed you into adopting the views of our corrupt, morally deficient and law breaking governments. Or were you indoctrinated through the "education" system in your respective countries?

[Lt_Anders]

OI,

Learn to fucking edit.

[Rhekimos]

Well it's a good thing I never stated that the Russian establishment or ruling elite were 100% transparent, I've just stated they're far more transparent than our own NATO member state governments.

In what sense?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_laws_by_country#Russia

"The already repressive press freedom environment in Russia declined even further with Vladimir Putin’s return to the presidency in 2012, as authorities relied on both crude and sophisticated forms of media management to distract the public from terrorist attacks, economic troubles, and antigovernment protests. The government maintained its grip on key television outlets and tightened controls over the internet during the year, and most state and privately owned mass media engaged in blatant propaganda that glorified the country’s national leaders and fostered an image of political pluralism—especially in the months ahead of Putin’s victory in the March presidential election.

Although the constitution provides for freedom of speech and of the press, officials have used the country’s politicized and corrupt court system to harass the few remaining independent journalists who dare to criticize widespread abuses by the authorities. The constitution and a 2009 law provide for freedom of information, but accessing information related to government bodies, the judiciary, or via government websites is extremely difficult in practice. Russian law contains a broad definition of extremism that authorities frequently use to silence government critics, including journalists; the enforcement of this and other restrictive legal provisions has encouraged self-censorship."
https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/2013/russia


"Dear Readers:
The Freedom of Information foundation's website is no more updated.

Since early 2015, the Freedom of Informaton Foundation has frozen its activities after having failed to contest entrance of the organization in the register of NGOs performing "foreign agent" functions."
http://old.svobodainfo.org/en - The biggest organization dedicated to freedom of information in Russia.

I've yet to see over the years a similar presentation conducted by the "American led" coalition which has supposedly been bombing ISIS for years.

I'd love to have more info on NATO operations too, but that vid hardly makes up for this. Even if that vid presented a 100% earnest look into those operations, which I'm not sure it does.

[Tibe]

Well it's a good thing I never stated that the Russian establishment or ruling elite were 100% transparent, I've just stated they're far more transparent than our own NATO member state governments. I've yet to see over the years a similar presentation conducted by the "American led" coalition which has supposedly been bombing ISIS for years.

That "transparency" is fake. The fact that you dont even slightly question these vids either proves you are trolling or really biased. NATO officials have always stated that they cant win the propaganda war with Russia, quite simply because Russia has 0 shame in just generating massbullshit to masses. Its like North Krean media saying that Kim Yong Un invented electricity. You just have nothing to counter that amount of bullshit with.

[Xant]

Why do you keep trying to argue with him like he's a real person?

[Tibe]

Cause I dont want him to leave. He is funny.

[Vovka]

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In what sense?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_laws_by_country#Russia

"The already repressive press freedom environment in Russia declined even further with Vladimir Putin’s return to the presidency in 2012, as authorities relied on both crude and sophisticated forms of media management to distract the public from terrorist attacks, economic troubles, and antigovernment protests. The government maintained its grip on key television outlets and tightened controls over the internet during the year, and most state and privately owned mass media engaged in blatant propaganda that glorified the country’s national leaders and fostered an image of political pluralism—especially in the months ahead of Putin’s victory in the March presidential election.

Although the constitution provides for freedom of speech and of the press, officials have used the country’s politicized and corrupt court system to harass the few remaining independent journalists who dare to criticize widespread abuses by the authorities. The constitution and a 2009 law provide for freedom of information, but accessing information related to government bodies, the judiciary, or via government websites is extremely difficult in practice. Russian law contains a broad definition of extremism that authorities frequently use to silence government critics, including journalists; the enforcement of this and other restrictive legal provisions has encouraged self-censorship."
https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/2013/russia


"Dear Readers:
The Freedom of Information foundation's website is no more updated.

Since early 2015, the Freedom of Informaton Foundation has frozen its activities after having failed to contest entrance of the organization in the register of NGOs performing "foreign agent" functions."
http://old.svobodainfo.org/en - The biggest organization dedicated to freedom of information in Russia.

I'd love to have more info on NATO operations too, but that vid hardly makes up for this. Even if that vid presented a 100% earnest look into those operations, which I'm not sure it does.

I'm sure you have read the entire text of the law 
 the main problem is that the fact of entering into this list excludes the use of accounting fraud because of the annual financial audits and reporting expenses.

[Bjord]

OI,

Learn to fucking edit.

lol w/e flanders

[Xant]

Anders, more like Flanders. LOL.

[Molly]

On the contrary if anything my accusations of brainwashing, being braindead or deluded only sought to mirror similar accusations laid against myself by a handful of opponents in this thread, including yourself. Now you think after indulging in such name calling you're in a position to try and profile someone for doing the same back? When you make this point, are you talking about yourself? If so well done, you're on the first step to coming to your senses.
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Where directly in my post did I connect you personaly in a direct manner to my merely information containing post?
If that is the way you read all your news too... oh well, that explains quite a lot.

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fgt

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Just to get name calling rolling in this post.

[Rhekimos]

I'm sure you have read the entire text of the law 
 the main problem is that the fact of entering into this list excludes the use of accounting fraud because of the annual financial audits and reporting expenses.

I sure haven't.
And I don't know what the full weight of their organization being classified as foreign agents would be.

But I have a little creeping suspicion that it's about more than potential accounting fraud being uncovered.

Well, they could have shut down just to keep accounting fraud hidden. It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility and it can be a comforting narrative as well, if you live there.

[Vovka]

I sure haven't.
And I don't know what the full weight of their organization being classified as foreign agents would be.
But I have a little creeping suspicion that it's about more than potential accounting fraud being uncovered.
Well, they could have shut down just to keep accounting fraud hidden. It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility and it can be a comforting narrative as well, if you live there.

I think mainly because of the paperwork and the inability to save on taxes by accounting fraud. Some have lost their funding from abroad as Sponsors did not want publicity (foreign agents must to provide sources of funding)

[Rhekimos]

I think mainly because of the paperwork and the inability to save on taxes by accounting fraud. Some have lost their funding from abroad as Sponsors did not want publicity (foreign agents must to provide sources of funding)

Well, there exists a chance of that. And we all ultimately choose what we believe.

Most of what I read about it is not encouraging though: https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/06/25/russia-harsh-toll-foreign-agents-law