2h Bastard Sword Type Weapons

[Jarold]

This sounds awesome! Finally a bastard sword may be used correctly! I really love the changes going on recently.

[Gmnotutoo]

Please return the old katana's stats. The stab never works and 41 damage is stupidly high, I want weapon speed back. The whole point in using it was that it was the fastest two hand, now it is tied for second place.

[Hoppster]

Alternatively the pole could get mode removed, in which case they could be turned into 1h where you activate the 2h with x, but this could come with some side effects of its own, not sure exactly.

don't like that idea, HBS in pole mode is fun to use, pls dont take that away from me.

i've been using HBS for a while now, and i really like it, i'd say the speed boost makes the damage loss more than acceptable for me.  seems like a fair pay off, prices are maybe abit low for the effectivness

[Legs]

Personally, I've never had issues fighting them and I detest using them myself in strat battles, where I think they are massively overrated(at least for field/open area battles).

QFT.

I use a longsword because I think it's cool and I'm a big fat nerd who likes to pretend that he's an internet fencing master. It's a pretty good weapon and balanced where it is. There are plenty of 2h weapons that are better but just aren't as cool, so they aren't used as much.

Buffing the 1h mode so that's it's actually usable would be a nice change. I don't think that it should replace the halfsword secondary though.

[Elindor]

I'm a LS user myself, but that was way before the buff and because it could be used on horseback.

It's nice to see that not everyone is biased, but you gotta agree there's a lot of them.

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Unless that "2h haters" comment was aimed at me, in which case get you dun goofed. I play all classes and am currently 2h because it's easy as dicks. At least I admit my class requires almost no skill.

Yeah same, been using LS through probably 3 or 4 buffs/nerfs that it has been through (been using it since 2010 or 2011), I just like its look and feel and it's not too long (longer swords get stuck more on siege).

No, 2h haters comment not directed at you.
In my opinion, some things are a bit easier than other things (1h no shield for instance is hard, as is archery imho) but I've played 2h, 1h/shield, 1h no shield, polearm, etc...and I believe that with practice I would be just as good or better using any weapon type, not just 2h. 

I think a good player is a good player and a bad one is a bad one.   The instastab polearms are only dangerous in the hands of good players, for instance.
Give a total noob lordly armor and a +3 Longsword and give (insert good player's name here) rags and a club and (the good player) would beat him 10/10 times.

People like to find easy things to direct their anger/discontent at, and mob mentality is a common human phenomenon. 

[Rebelyell]

Could increase effectiveness with a shield, but reduce effectiveness slightly without. To get an idea of what I mean, think 32 base damage but 94 speed with a shield, and -1/2 speed from the 2h mode. Utility wise, that's a lot better, as a 2h weapon, some might even call that balanced. Oh, and increase cost of course.

dont make it 1h/2h weapon
halfswording is way of longsword

[Huscarlton_Banks]

I have a much easier time using 2h than polearm, but experiences vary.

I know I'd never go polearm for long axe/long bardiche if 2h had a shove nudge without going into half-sword mode though.

[Tydeus]

I have a much easier time using 2h than polearm, but experiences vary.

I know I'd never go polearm for long axe/long bardiche if 2h had a shove nudge without going into half-sword mode though.

I never really liked the idea of giving 2h shove or poles attack nudge.

[Rebelyell]

I never really liked the idea of giving 2h shove or poles attack nudge.

2h nudge have no use at all

[Gurnisson]

2h nudge have no use at all

It's better than polearm nudge and as good as the 1h nudge when you gank someone. When I play 2h I use the nudge a lot to open up an enemy's defense for my teammate.

[Jona]

All these weps need a serious speed nerf. Their high speeds combined with 2h animations makes them insanely powerful. Anyone that thinks they are balanced doesn't know how to abuse the shit out of them use them properly.

[Tydeus]

2h nudge have no use at all

People just don't understand how to use it, it isn't as straight forward as the pole shove. The effects depend heavily upon the weapon being used.

[Rebelyell]

People just don't understand how to use it, it isn't as straight forward as the pole shove. The effects depend heavily upon the weapon being used.

I just hardly see any option to use that in fight, can you tell us what affect that nuge?

[Falka]

Could increase effectiveness with a shield, but reduce effectiveness slightly without. To get an idea of what I mean,
-1/2 speed from the 2h mode.

I don't like this part. Longsword with 97 speed and miaodao with 96 speed when longsword has 37 dmg and miaodao 42? Definitely I don't like it. Longsword and HBS seem okay how they're now, and with decreased speed by 1 or 2 points they'll be fine too... Though maybe not in comparison to miaodao.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

I'd use the 2h nudge more often if it worked with any attack direction (Flamberges don't get any except the regular one since it uses a pole overhead + 2h blocks), but I get more use out of pole/1h shove nudge because stronkfat crutching seems to result in players sliding at least 5-6 meters away.