2h Bastard Sword Type Weapons

[Tydeus]

What do you guys think about the 2H Bastard Sword class of weapons, specifically the Bastard Sword, Heavy Bastard Sword and the Longsword? Are they overpowered, or just easy to use? Personally, I've never had issues fighting them and I detest using them myself in strat battles, where I think they are massively overrated(at least for field/open area battles). Not looking for anything fancy here, just gathering opinions and maybe seeing if there are new arguments that I haven't heard before.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Should get a 1h secondary mode without having to use a shield.

[Rebelyell]

easy to use in fight but dmg on stab and slash is no that great
Personally i don't see any reason to nerf that weapons when Dadao and miadao are around

I use longsword a lot and that weapon can be devastating but still require skill(like everything in that game)
but I use that weapon everyday so my opinion may be irrelevant

I say that weapon is easy to use and fits best bad players that just spam and prey to win fight and good players that can use that weapon well(maybe bit to much)

[Osiris]

longsword is imo one of the best and easiest 2h to use due to its speed and decent damage when loomed. Great sword still sexiest. Longsword is still only 4 cut less than a danish but a lil shorter.

rambling over longsword is fine if anything needs tweaking/nerfing a little its Miaodao, that sword just feels op
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oh and two handed sword needs some love it just isnt good enough to use over a longsword/Hbastard imo

[Gravoth_iii]

They are balanced, greatswords are still probably better, but im guessing its all depending on preferences and playstyles. 2h in general is balanced right now.

[Gurnisson]

I think they're balanced. Paying in length and damage for quite a bit of speed is a good trade-off, but not a no-brainer.

[Siiem]

I use longsword a lot and that weapon can be devastating but still require skill(like everything in that game)

I say that weapon is easy to use and fits best bad players that just spam and prey to win fight

Wtf...

[Gurnisson]

Wtf...

Think the second part was about Dadao and Miaodao.

[Siiem]

Think the second part was about Dadao and Miaodao.

Then it makes sense, carry on.

[Elindor]

Would be nice to have something between the HBS/Longsword and the heavier swords...which basically is the Two Handed Sword but something about it's stats seems off...like not good enough in some way, which is why most people skip it....the Two Handed Sword should be a bit faster or a bit longer or a bit more damaging or something (one of those).

Also, HBS and Longsword technically are flip flopped a little bit since HBS weighs more it should be the slower and the more damaging of the two, right?  Or just make the longsword the one that weighs more to match its slower speed and higher damage.

Just a thought.

Balanced or not though?  I know a lot of people will chime in here saying they are OP and that you can put a monkey in cRPG with a HBS/LS and it will be good - but some of that is over exaggerated of course.  They are good all around weapons (although short for battle often times), decently fast, decently damaging, etc - which does make them good choices for both veterans and newer players.  But I don't know if the speeds/damage are OP.

[Jarlek]

They can be used while riding, so automatic +10 to cool.

Pretty easy to use on foot, but that's an issue with most 2handers anyway. Not as good as the greatswords cause of the shorter reach/damage, but the speed makes up for it.

OP? No. Easy to use? Yes.

[San]

Their pre-buff stats were already really good, having a few points extra damage and good reach compared to a 1h sword. Would still take a miaodao over one, though.

They should be a little better with shield, maybe custom stats instead of a % reduction.

[CrazyCracka420]

Not really adding anything that hasn't been said here.  I think they are fairly good battle weapons, but not as good as great swords.  They really shine when used in a duel or 1v1 situation (with no other influences).  I think they are balanced well with other 2h swords.

[polkafranzi]

Elite Scimitar ghostswing outreaches all 3, so no nurf/change/nothing.

Thanks.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Seriously, how can anyone call the miaodao OP? It's hardly one of the best 2hs...