Polearm spd rtng 92? 2H spd rtng still the same?

[Lanic0r]

Two-Handed
- ???

Polearm
- More damage. (what pole are you talking about?)
- Better thrust. (OMG you cant be serious you LolstaberxD )
- Bonus against shields. (helpful against 2hs ?)
- Hit stun. Stagger effect when hit. (oh yeah i see, evry time i hit i have 1min to hit the poor stuned guy over and over 8D)
- Weapon stun, polearms are generally heavier. (ye its the weight, neither the length nor the speed. CLEAR )
- Horse stopping thrust. (evryone can pick up a staff/pike to stop a horse, but wait on duel you fight horses in major right? D: )
- Cavalry equipment - lances. (evryone can use lances but lancers need to set points on riding. so we cant tank us like 2h with IF)
- Anti-cav and support - pikes. Oh and lets not forget that you can thrust-curve around teammates and overhead through teammates on enemies. (ye Mr. Lolstaber the CURVE xD)

Doesn't require a rocket-scientist to understand that two-handed is vastly inferior to polearms.

You dont seem to be a rocket-scientist more  a 2h lobbyist. Very weak your "hard facts".
Dont fear the balance Mr. Lolstab!

[Kafein]

I want you (developing team only) to explain the reduce of speed on knobbed- and spiked mace!

How does it come that my heirloomed Knobbed mace is now slower than the normal version on patch 0.210, inflicts less (4 points) blunt damage and is unballanced?
And the best weapon, THE 2hs still have the same spd rtng 92 and swing damage?
Plz give me a reason!
I have chosen the knobbed mace bacause its the only alternative to 2hr (for example GERMAN GREATSWORD) and to avoid being a 2h coward without ballz.
Give me the point!

The reason :

Knockdown.

/terminate thread


Btw, you two are ridiculous. Swing polearms and 2h are more similar than any other couple of weapon categories.

[Siiem]

Lanicor... wow, just wow.

[Lanic0r]

The reason :

Knockdown.

/terminate thread


Btw, you two are ridiculous. Swing polearms and 2h are more similar than any other couple of weapon categories.

come on duel i will show you the overange of 2h if you dont belive oh wait, i was talking about OVERHEAD AND STAB. i pointed out the sideswing is not buged xD
Knockdown is a advantage i agree, but its only one compared to 2h

[Kafein]

come on duel i will show you the overange of 2h if you dont belive

Tradeoffs. What you loose in reach, you win it with something else.

[Phyrex]

Two-Handed
- ???

Polearm
- More damage. (what pole are you talking about?)

 Oh I don't know... maybe Elegant Poleaxe, German Poleaxe, Great Long Axe, Poleaxe, Bec de Corbin. Are these enough?

- Better thrust. (OMG you cant be serious you LolstaberxD )

 So, polearm thrust isn't faster and doesn't glance and get stunned nearly as much as the two-handed one does?

- Bonus against shields. (helpful against 2hs ?)

No, but against shields, maybe?

- Hit stun. Stagger effect when hit. (oh yeah i see, evry time i hit i have 1min to hit the poor stuned guy over and over 8D)

Trolling much?

- Weapon stun, polearms are generally heavier. (ye its the weight, neither the length nor the speed. CLEAR )

What are you on about?

- Horse stopping thrust. (evryone can pick up a staff/pike to stop a horse, but wait on duel you fight horses in major right? D: )

What has duelling with this to do?

- Cavalry equipment - lances. (evryone can use lances but lancers need to set points on riding. so we cant tank us like 2h with IF)

This is just in general.

- Anti-cav and support - pikes. Oh and lets not forget that you can thrust-curve around teammates and overhead through teammates on enemies. (ye Mr. Lolstaber the CURVE xD)

Save for the fact that I can't thrust-curve around my team-mates on enemies because I'll hit them. Same with overhead.

Doesn't require a rocket-scientist to understand that two-handed is vastly inferior to polearms.

You dont seem to be a rocket-scientist more  a 2h lobbyist. Very weak your "hard facts".
Dont fear the balance Mr. Lolstab!

I've never said I was a rocket-scientist, just that one doesn't need to be one to see it. What does that make you, Lanic0r?

Once again I'm not sure if you're trolling or just being a retard, though this time, I took the bait.

[Edit]: I'm not lobbying for a Polearm nerf, because Polearms are fine and are perfect as they are and should be. All I'm kindly asking for is to have Two-Handed swords, both Great Swords and the bastard-sword variants, to be on the same 'level' as the current and equivalent polearm variants but still retaining it's individual cons and pros.

[Baggy]

I think someone dropped Lanc0r on his head when he was born....

[Lanic0r]

Ok i try to make my self clear.
I like the overange stab of 2h, it makes them special and individual.
"what has duel to do with?"
Thats what im talking about. Evry patch was to balance the public imo (JONGE!)
Is it concidence that most "good" players use 2h german/danish? My feeling and experience say: no!
Duel, that matters. And you try to declare poles are fine ballanced? Interesting, i remember you said long great axe is now the imperior weapon. You used it but failed on duel much. but on public it was great you said you killed more players than before.
Dont mix up public with duel.
And im not trolling its simply funny you try to explain polearms are fine. as you said you never have played polearm from bottom up.
Retire and make a polearm char, i will make a 2h. Than i will teach you!
And im asking kindly: Paul, could your donkey crew care about the overhead bugrange of 2hs?
And in addition, evryone has got enough gold to upkeep weapons. on duel you dont need upkeep, therefore im beging you: make duel balanced, not public.

[Siiem]

 

[Tzar]

Shouldn't this be in the balance discussion forum  :

[Vibe]

Haha, what a load of bs, polearms are fine except for the stun.

[BlackMilk]

Phyrex won.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

2h got smacked in the face but people also want to knee it in the ballz it seems, oh the cruelty

[Lisandro]

Phyrex won.

+1, irrefutable arguments, mathematics is not an opinion

[Elerion]

+1, irrefutable arguments, mathematics is not an opinion

Actually, comparing Elegant Poleaxe and Danish Greatsword:
Speed: Tie.
Damage: Tie. Elegant wins by 2 damage on thrust, Danish wins by 1 damage on swing.
Swing length: Danish wins by between 6 and 20 range, depending on swing (According to THIS POST by Gurnisson).
Thrust length: Unknown after patch (?). Pre-patch, Danish won this by 53 range.
Weapon stun (weight): Danish wins, but only very slightly (2.5wt vs 2.0wt).
Bonus against shields: Poleaxe wins.
Polearm stun: Poleaxe wins.
Horse stopping thrust: Poleaxe wins.

Looks pretty balanced to me. Polearms have added versatility for lance and pike users, though.