Buff plate [Added poll!]

[Rantrex]

Yup, plate should bounce all cut weapons, but what about jumping in it?
I don't think it is good that human with around 34kg (~75lb) on him/her coul jump.

[Shrugging Khan]

Yup, plate should bounce all cut weapons, but what about jumping in it?
I don't think it is good that human with around 34kg (~75lb) on him/her coul jump.

Now that would be interesting.

So you'd have tanks that are immune to many weapons, but cannot enter some kinds of terrain.

[Captain_Georges]

Armor crutching per se no longer works with the new armor values, and again, I'm talking about competitive fighting, not taking shittons of armor and 10 IF, ofcourse you will take a lot of hits, but you will not be able to do squat with any decent weapon cause the medium/light armor people WILL outplay you, your very slow speed and manouverability which I cannot stress how important it is. And again, my 76 armor means absolutely nothing if I get surrounded and ganged to death, and with the previous armor values I had a chance to survive and back off due to more glancing and armor absorption. I play this game for a long time, I tested out all the builds.

 And again I turn your attention to the prices, and the situation on the battlefield. Highest used armor is heraldic transitional mostly, if that. You dont see any plate users worth a damn in a fight. Yes you will find some 10 if 30 strength tards but they are completely useless.

People can already tank a silly amount of damage with a strength build + unloomed high tier armor / loomed medium-tier armor. Increasing that any further would make it viable to roll a 2h/polearm character and never block, which shouldn't be an option.

Hell, with an 18/21 build, 6 IF, and unloomed medium armor I can already survive too many hits from most players.

That's the whole point. People can tank in medium armor without a problem and gain considerably more manouverability and pay way less upkeep fore a closely same effect on protection.

@ sF_Guardian, BobTheHero is kind of right, heraldic transitional is so much more effecient then plate, if you know how much weight effect your speed and manouverability and the horrible upkeep. I dont expect to be an untouchable god of spammitan, spamming a long hafted blade or something. I just want my armor to be an advantage, or balanced with the rest. Just not a expensive accessory(spelling?) that is a big hinderance.

The reason for the extra high upkeep on certain items is to limit the number of people who uses it.
It's the same thing with armoured horses. Their upkeep is not relative to their actual worth.

For some reason, it's only tincancs and heavy cavalry that is punished by this.
Why is this still the case?

I am fine with the high upkeep cost. Heck if you want to make it exclusive and rare, you can even increase it. But at least make it somewhat worth it.

[Leshma]

Better decrease light-medium armor effectivity. It's a joke that I can have 50 body armor on my archer char WITHOUT any malus for my archery wpf.

Again, mn-maxing issue. Same as Kuyak bundle of sticksry.

I have 31 armor on my non loomed xbow alt. That's 9.9 effective weight. If that armor was loomed I would have 39 armor.

50 armor is only possible if you're lamer like Blackbow who has no head or leg armor and use that horribly ugly, completely broken light strange armor...

I'm not against customization but I think that we could use some restrictions when it comes to combining gear to prevent Light Kuyak/Sarranid Guard Armor + Heavy Gauntlets bullshit.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Customization is good, fuck your restrictions.
As gay as Kuyaks are some weird dickish clothing set system is gayer.

[Vodner]

That's the whole point. People can tank in medium armor without a problem and gain considerably more manouverability and pay way less upkeep fore a closely same effect on protection.

The best option there (at least in my opinion) would be to reduce the effectiveness of medium armor, forcing people to suffer the penalties of heavier gear if they want to tank 4+ hits.

[zagibu]

Plate has been shit since Paul's new armor formula was introduced. One peasant in front and one peasant behind is all it takes to kill a knight in full plate. He is constantly interrupted and can't move away because he is so slow. Even hatchets don't glance anymore.

And high tier helmets are a joke now with the new head damage formula. They are completely obsolete.

Read this thread and my first post in it to witness a prophecy: http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/possible-change-to-armor-handling-increase-damage-reduce-decrease-soak-effect/

[cmp]

Better decrease light-medium armor effectivity.

The best option there (at least in my opinion) would be to reduce the effectiveness of medium armor

+1

[zagibu]

No, if you do that, ranged will be buffed, leading to even more shielders.

[Memento_Mori]

Plate armor is the knights wakizashi, keep it as it is. Pay tons of upkeep to look bad ass, sounds fair. 

[Kafein]

Is there some kind of threshold in armor weight that makes it more interesting in terms of maneuvrability to go for more strenght rather than agility ? Or is it so high it's not reachable with the current stats ?

[Captain_Georges]

Plate armor is the knights wakizashi, keep it as it is. Pay tons of upkeep to look bad ass, sounds fair. 

not all people consider plate to look badass

Is there some kind of threshold in armor weight that makes it more interesting in terms of maneuvrability to go for more strenght rather than agility ? Or is it so high it's not reachable with the current stats ?

yes this is another problem, with a level limit of 31 (the REASONABLE limit) you dont get enough stats needed to support the armor

[Cup1d]

50 armor is only possible if you're lamer like Blackbow who has no head or leg armor and use that horribly ugly, completely broken light strange armor...

Lordly byrnie + lordly mail mittens = 50 body armors. Leave you 0,9 weight for some foot armor and some head armor for  camo only.

As I already said, I like when people suggesting about things, but do not have enough info about it. Continue please.

[Leshma]

It's 49 armor actually. And leaves you with 0.2 for helmet + boots (1x8.6+4*0.3=9.8).

[Leshma]

+1

First, nerf horse bump damage then we can talk about light/medium armor effectiveness. As long the easiest way to deal damage is super strong, you don't have right to lower protection of lightly armored players.

Also, you just supported another nerf. Can I please ask you to stop balancing this mod and stick to coding?

Edit: Recently you said no more nerfs but I have a feeling that your only answer to some issue are nerfs. Can we get some buffs around here, a little bit less limitations ffs?