Buff plate [Added poll!]

[Captain_Georges]

Lordly Druzhina Eltie Lamellar armor - 58 body armor, 22 weight, 1.2k upkeep
Lodrly Gothic Plate -61 body armor, 25 weight, 1.7k upkeep
Lordly Gothic Plate with bevore -61 body armor, 13 head armor(which is completely useless since bonus head damage patch), 28(!!!) weight, 2.2k upkeep

Barely any tin cans out there anymore. Am I the only one seeing this?

Suggestion: either give more armor or reduce weight, or reduce upkeep, or revert back to old armor values,  or increase the bonus strength gives you for weight

Haters, fire away, but I need serious opinions

[MadeForFighting]

lol he just got owned on eu_1 and is raging, ignore

EDIT:
He cried, so I'll have to agree with him - poor tincans should get reduced upkeep, but a complete armour re-work would be even better.

[Captain_Georges]

lol he just got owned on eu_1 and is raging, ignore

Haters, fire away, but I need serious opinions

[Plavor]

I agree but he forgot to look at the legarmor or just ignored it^^

They should really buff tincans somehow since they need to pay high upkeeps but gain only few armor more..

[Leshma]

Too many 2H, poles and blunt/pierce weapons in general.

With 5/6 PS and loomed 1H sword I glance off plate quite a lot. Problem is that cut twohanded weapons rarely glance off plate.

[Captain_Georges]

I wish that was true, but however as I experience it right now, with 76 body armor, I still get strong hits by onehanded swords without a problem, and they are often not even heirloomed. For 2.2k money its a waste, and there must be a reason why nobody in their right mind plays with plate armor anymore. With the new glance/armor values, it's paying off even less. And with the epicly high weight of it, you cant manouvre fast enough to make your opponent glance off you, and I use an agi build with my plate (7 athlethics). And im not even gonna start on the price of gauntlets, but these I would leave as they are.

[Leshma]

Those are left swings. Just block left swings and overheads and you're fine when it comes to 1H. You can even chamber them because you know what they are going to do.

Right swing needs a lot of good footwork and needs to be precise (head hit) not to glance off steel armor. Overhead works but it's hard to land atm.

Twohanders don't have any of those issues and polearms are meant to deal with plate so you can't really expect them to glance off your armor.

[Captain_Georges]

Even so, the protection plate armor offers is void. Why would anyone take it if you can take a 500 gold cheaper and faster armor which has the almost egzactly the same effect in the game? Again, I repeat myself, there are no people using it what so ever. If they are, they fare poorly (newmy old friends who like shiny things, like I did).

[Miwiw]

I agree but he forgot to look at the legarmor or just ignored it^^

Meh leg armor... not really that important when choosing a body armor as you got boots anyway and will choose boots with at least 30 leg armor as tincan. 

For that upkeep, the high difference in weight and the rather "low" difference in body armor, using plate armor isn't a wise choice in most cases. And most people know that, so 90% of infantry uses medium gear, the so called "Kuyak my old friendS". ;)

Light and Heavy Armor is usually not a good choice. Light armor isn't good enough for infantry due to low armor stats and plate armor doesnt give enough advantages for the upkeep and weight. At least it's not usual to choose a light armor with a high STR build or a rather balanced build (18/18, 18/21, 21/18).
Good example is of course Corsair who is a good player with light gear. ;)

Any kind of buff could help a lot, though remember that plate armor should be rare (therefore the high upkeep).

[Leshma]

You're right Georges, but that's because anyone can mix Lordly Kuyak and Lordly Heavy Gauntlets and become fast "tincan".

One way to fix that and make mod more realistic would be to allow combining of same tier armor. But that would kill customization.

Plate armor gives good protection, it's just that everyone can be a tincan without having to wear it and that pierce/blunt are too good against armor.

[Captain_Georges]

Any kind of buff could help a lot, though remember that plate armor should be rare (therefore the high upkeep).

I can agree with high upkeep, but at least make it somewhat worth it, it's hardly any prestigeous when it prooves more of a hinderance then useful.

Plate armor gives good protection, it's just that everyone can be a tincan without having to wear it and that pierce/blunt are too good against armor.

ant that's one reason I think armor/glance values should be reverted

[Captain_Georges]

no fan of plate, never use it, but georges is right.
for that lot of money you should have a real advantage, not only looks.

I agree, and I dont even ask for advantages of sort, I just ask for the armors to be useable competitively, not some godly protection. Because right now it's prettay bad.

[Turkhammer]

I agree, and I dont even ask for advantages of sort, I just ask for the armors to be useable competitively, not some godly protection. Because right now it's prettay bad.

It's all because of the Holy Grail of "Balancing Classes".  Swords, especially 1h, arrows, cutting weapons in general really should not give much damage to plate.  That's what Becs and hammers are for. 

[owens]

It is strange I think the armour tiers and IF tiers are mismatched.


Plate should be most useful at min 21 str but atm at that level of strength and IF mid tier armours have the highest combat advantage. Plate should be reserved for the tank builds minimum 7IF but at the moment the speed penalty from plate is so high you need 27-33str to move with any real urgency and still get the advantage of its high armour values which you will need due to low wpf and low speed.


I think a major problem for you George is your low str you must be very slow in plate with so little strength.

[Captain_Georges]

I think a major problem for you George is your low str you must be very slow in plate with so little strength.

On the contrary, I have tested both 21/18 and 18/21 builds, and other variants with more strength - and I am more manouverable with 21 agility and 7 athlethics then with 21 str, as much as str is supposed to make heavy armor "lighter", athlethics still has the main say in speed and manouvers.

But a good suggestion: Increase the bonus strength gives you for weight. I'll add that to the suggestion list.

Another reason why higher agi is neccessary imo cause of the weapon speed reduction with weight aswell. With 90 tons of weight on me, I can notice a big difference between 6 wpf and 7 wpf. If I wish to be competitive with other good players and be able to beat them , I need higher speed because with the nerf of heirloomed wepaons a couple of months ago, even with very high power strike, landing a hit is too hard becaise of low agi and doesnt pay off due to low due to ultimately lower damage.