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Would you buff plate? If you would, how? You can pick up to two options.

Yes, buff everything! I want to be robocop.
Reduce weight.
Increase strength buff for weight.
Decrease upkeep cost.
Nerf heirloomed medium/light armor.
Increase armor.
Change armor/glance values.
Nerf everything else (again).
No. I don't like canned meat.

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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2012, 03:11:37 am »
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Okay i have done similar tests with mid-heavy armours and found that between to points str wins but it was only short distances although it was a few patches ago.


The other option is to get heraldic surcoat and loom it mid-heavy armour for low armour weight
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2012, 03:55:22 am »
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I kind of agree that plate should be worth more on the battlefield.

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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2012, 04:26:06 am »
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I agree. I think plate armours should provide with a little more protection.

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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2012, 04:44:31 am »
+5
- Lower chance to get knocked down wearing plate, getting knocked by a wooden staff while wearing my Lordly Gothic Plate with Bevor is a joke.
- Increase the armour values to compensate for the high weight and op insane upkeep.

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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2012, 05:18:35 am »
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- Lower chance to get knocked down wearing plate, getting knocked by a wooden staff while wearing my Lordly Gothic Plate with Bevor is a joke.
- Increase the armour values to compensate for the high weight and op insane upkeep.
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2012, 05:31:05 am »
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2012, 09:16:55 am »
+2
People can already tank a silly amount of damage with a strength build + unloomed high tier armor / loomed medium-tier armor. Increasing that any further would make it viable to roll a 2h/polearm character and never block, which shouldn't be an option.

Hell, with an 18/21 build, 6 IF, and unloomed medium armor I can already survive too many hits from most players.
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2012, 09:52:43 am »
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- Lower chance to get knocked down wearing plate, getting knocked by a wooden staff while wearing my Lordly Gothic Plate with Bevor is a joke.

I totally agree.

- Increase the armour values to compensate for the high weight and op insane upkeep.

The reason for the extra high upkeep on certain items is to limit the number of people who uses it.
It's the same thing with armoured horses. Their upkeep is not relative to their actual worth.

For some reason, it's only tincancs and heavy cavalry that is punished by this.
Why is this still the case?

A light cavalry player pays 2-3 times the upkeep of an archer.
A heavy cavalry player pays 3-4 times the upkeep of an archer.

Still, this archer is worth just as much to his team as the cavalry player.
Sometimes more, sometimes less but overall they are equally effective in combat.

These are not my opinions. They are fact.

Upkeep of bows should be increased by 150%.
A long bow is now 777. 1942 would be more fair.

And hopefully less players would be archers.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2012, 09:57:05 am by Riddaren »

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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2012, 10:20:15 am »
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I think plate crutching is okay as it is, if you choose to do it you have to live with the penalties,
dont expect yourself to be a spamming god who doesnt get dmg at all.
Just watch Ad1no`s vids and you see that no platebuff is needed.
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2012, 10:25:37 am »
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That is transitionnal armor, not plate, you fucking moron, l2armor.

We're talking about the Gothic PLATE, the Milaneese PLATE, etc.

And obviously I agree with you, love me some plate, but I feel like I am gimping myself by that point. (well more than I already do, but les not go there)
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2012, 10:27:05 am »
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That is transitionnal armor, not plate, you fucking moron, l2armor.

We're talking about the Gothic PLATE, the Milaneese PLATE, etc.

And obviously I agree with you, love me some plate, but I feel like I am gimping myself by that point. (well more than I already do, but les not go there)

Dude, I know that Transitional cant be count as real plate, dont get that offended by things I didnt even mean like that...
But have you seen how low dmg he took? Now imagine him with 5-7 more armor...
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2012, 10:31:20 am »
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He would be slowed down, loses even more WPF, thus speed and damage, and pay far more in upkeep.

And its 3 armor if he uses a gothic plate and 6 for a milaneese.
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2012, 10:35:38 am »
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He would be slowed down, loses even more WPF, thus speed and damage, and pay far more in upkeep.

And its 3 armor if he uses a gothic plate and 6 for a milaneese.

Max 8 more if he uses Heavy G`s and Milanese.
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2012, 11:03:08 am »
+1
Better decrease light-medium armor effectivity. It's a joke that I can have 50 body armor on my archer char WITHOUT any malus for my archery wpf. And those horde's of kuyak's heroes become really annoying too. Too good to be true.


Riddaren, I like your attempts to nerf counter class.
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Re: Buff plate
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2012, 11:23:41 am »
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Riddaren, I like your attempts to nerf counter class.

I'm biased. But I'm also right.
Give me free respec (no xp loss) and I will respec to archer.
Even if it got 3 times more expensive upkeep. An archer is a god compared to a cavalry player.