Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!

[Rhekimos]

Also Contra, a good multiplayer engine wouldn't allow autoblock or aimbots or anything either. Crpg can only ban those who use it, not make it impossible for people to use it. I see no reason that people wouldn't find a way to modify files for other advantages.

Even the best engine has a very hard time coping with cheaters that alter the running process of the game. This is what aimbots or autoblocks are. They are also called "trainers".
Altering the game isn't always bad though; Our very own cmp made the launcher that uses this very same process to add more content to the game, like rageball.

However, just removing transparency from a texture is very much in the power of the game engine itself.

[_Tak_]

Re: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!

My K/D ratio isn't that great and many players know that i am just a decent/normal cRPG player:
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When playing HA i have the worse K/D ratio ever in cRPG. Have all MW stuff too, HA stuff is too over expensive, I mean playing as HA i will never make any money, as lancer you make shit load of gold + kills and to be honest it is almost the worse class to play in cRPG, they are only good at killing horses and their damage is way too low.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

To be honest I don't care about a ban, I just find it hilarious how you actually need to do this to gain an advantage over people, since when did you need to see through bushes to suicide charge the enemy spawn, die and respawn?

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[Korgoth]

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[Auphilia]

Contra, I don't know how they would do it. That was just an example. I'm sure they know how to find ways. That is the point.

It is either impossible for them to do it, or it is possible for them to do it.
In the event that it is possible, which many of us agree upon, we now ask ourselves whether or not it should be punishable.

I agree it should be punishable.

I'm not sure why we are debating anything more or less.

[Rhekimos]

Contra, I don't know how they would do it. That was just an example. I'm sure they know how to find ways. That is the point.

It is either impossible for them to do it, or it is possible for them to do it.
In the event that it is possible, which many of us agree upon, we now ask ourselves whether or not it should be punishable.

I agree it should be punishable.

I'm not sure why we are debating anything more or less.

Because everything is connected to everything. If you disallow custom mods to cRPG, you also remove a lot of great stuff. Like the heirloom item pack.

This is why it's important to not be short-sighted about this, and calmly assess how much advantage it's possible to gain this way.

If you can make a wallhack this way, something should be done.

If you can't make a wallhack this way, you just got rid of a lot of cool mods for absolutely nothing.

Knee-jerk reactions rarely lead to good decisions.

[Tavuk_Bey]

You don't have to remove things completely, I'm sure it is POSSIBLE to increase/decrease the TRANSPARENCY of a texture. Hence, X-ray vision.

I'm not saying you do it Alex. This isn't really about you. You were just one example out of many. Just because you don't know how to do something, doesn't mean it can't be done. I don't know why you feel it is necessary to try and tell me what I do or don't know. It doesn't matter what I do or don't know. What matters is that people CAN and DO cheat using modified files. Period. That's what the topic is about folks, not Alex, not the difficulty in modifying files, not the eye-punishing graphics caused by it, but the idea of modifying files to gain an advantage over other players.

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alex is just an example about the fact that people are modding graphics to get upper hand in-game. this is what i wanted people to discuss here and how it should be tracked and punished.

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I am not very good at arguing with people. Well in my heart is feels like he is one of those people who bully me in real life of racism, and it hurts alot

Zlisch removing them will also remove other objects, it's like some objects are linking with each other, if you change the texture of one of them, some others will also affected by this and as a horse rider i often ride my horse into invisible barriers and die because of it, will never do it again. I don't want to repeat this but i don't think it is possible to do whatever so called x-ray in warband because i honestly don't think the game engine will let the modders to do that. Since i am not an expert coder like cmp i have no idea to do so.

Got banned for respawning, so far mostly all cav do suicide charging and attack enemy spawn, yet it is not breaking the server rules, will act as a good normal player now and will never do it again. Indeed sometime I cannot see the weapons of what the enemy is using because my resolution is too low

When i first play warband on multiplayer last year cRPG was the first mod i played, and if i could choose what is the best game in the world i would vote for warband since i also make mods.

Well I only been saying few things on unban forum and yet i have not got any sort of warning for spamming. I been playing cRPG with the edited graphics since i play on my laptop, been using that sort of graphics in normal warband / on other mods. If I did make you feels like i am a jerk then as i said before most of the time i post without thinking. If you are angry at me like Zlisch then i apologize to you, i am not a good communicator nor know how to use effective communication. Since I clear the matter with ABUUZER i think it would be good to remove all the screenshots since the case is closed. Yes you said attacking enemy spawn = suicide charging and we have a huge argument on there. I should have say sorry to you long time ago when i made the ban request, good memory you have indeed. But I just can't take it when i am about to argue with people since i also have troubles with that in real life. Would be great if we could make peace within each other and you have my word sir
Once you remove the walls, they will become indivisible and there will be no shadows at all

Please stop with this bullshit with X-ray, you have no experience in warband's modding, there is no such thing as x-ray and I see this as a joke, modifying the files in game does not work if you are not one of the dev in my knowledge, dev is pretty much the only people who can actually cheat with this mod (Not talking about auto blocks), i have said this many times and will not repeat again, i have not use any thing like wall-hack, its actually funny that you people really think that such thing can exist in warband, so far in my knowledge the hack that exist in multiplayer is the auto block, the dev in cRPG is one of expert of experts unlike me who is just a beginner to start modding. Start to become a modder, i doubt you will ever managed to be the first guy who invent so called wall-hack. Bushes and hays are link with other objects, if they are removed others will get removed also, and i hate being run into invisible barriers without knowing/ seeing where they are

well, to be honest, i don't give any single shit to your irl problems. you'll be better if you keep your mental problems irl out of this forum when you talk to me. the reason why i'm pushing on you is your own behaviors against people on servers and on forum. i advise you to think before acting, especially think twice before you accuse someone and request ban. and also self criticism is another wise thing, slandering innocent people for the cases that you always do is one of the lowest thing you can do both on here and irl.

from now on people won't be able to play comfortably when you are on any server, because you already confessed that you have advantages of editing the object graphics, despite having a shit pc. many people including me will concern about your unfair advantages over us. there is nothing we can do except trusting people like you about not having any unfair modifications unless devs solve this problem. but to be honest, i won't trust someone like you who has shitloads of problems, therefore some strict sanctions must be done to prevent such bundle of sticksry.

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My K/D ratio isn't that great and many players know that i am just a decent/normal cRPG player:
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When playing HA i have the worse K/D ratio ever in cRPG. Have all MW stuff too, HA stuff is too over expensive, I mean playing as HA i will never make any money, as lancer you make shit load of gold + kills and to be honest it is almost the worse class to play in cRPG, they are only good at killing horses and their damage is way too low.

your shitty k/d or your class doesn't make abusing the graphics and game rules legal. btw k/d ratios on website are not correct.

[oprah_winfrey]

My K/D ratio isn't that great and many players know that i am just a decent/normal cRPG player:
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When playing HA i have the worse K/D ratio ever in cRPG. Have all MW stuff too, HA stuff is too over expensive, I mean playing as HA i will never make any money, as lancer you make shit load of gold + kills and to be honest it is almost the worse class to play in cRPG, they are only good at killing horses and their damage is way too low.

Just because you don't do well doesn't mean its not cheating. Look at the people who have gotten banned for autoblocking, most of them are no named players who can't get kills even with perfect blocking. Do you think they shouldn't get permabanned?

You can make the same argument, oh well my ping is shitty and I get low fps so I can't see attacks as well as those with gaming computers and high speed internet so I use autoblocks to make it fair. Dont ban me or anything like that because that will make you racist against chinease.

[Joker86]

While I think that in this case there is no real advantage taken (like someone with a ping of 800 using autoblocker - when he clicks it will be too late anyway), it is definitely worth thinking about it.

I don't think the advantage of a wallhack would be too big. This game is still about melee, it's not a real shooter, there is no shooting through solid objects, and most fighting is still done in melee, the only thing where a wallhack would help there would be knowing if someone is waiting behind a corner or not, but you need to be careful around corners anyway, so it's not worth the effort.

The only thing where this really matters is to be able to spot someone who is shooting either out of a haystack or a bush. And as I think those haystacks are lame and should all get an invisible skin, anyway, only the problem of the bushes remains. And to be honest: I never had problems spotting someone in bushes, a bush with someone hiding in it has a dark, often colourful shilouette in the middle which other bushes do not have, so with a little bit awareness you don't need a "bushhack"

Concerning the matter of invisible textures: I have literally NO CLUE of programming, but don't those bushes and trees have the "empty" texture around the leafs, the thing which is that chequer in Photoshop? You know, making them some kind of "ingame-.png"?

If so, then you could easily make a texture which consists mainly of "nothing", only with a few thin lines in a certain colour to show if it's wood or stone or whatever. That way houses, trees and other obstacles would look like some weird wire skeletons, you would see where they are but you could see everything behind them.

I guess the developers take so much time replying on this matter as they need to be careful what to say and what not, to not encourage some cheating attempts. Perhaps my post will even be edited or deleted, if I am right... 

On the other hand I still say that the "cheat" is not really a massive advantage, only a small help in certain situations. That's why I wouldn't take it too serious.

Anyway we have massive differences in gaming quality concerning the systems. I have a good system, I have HDR enabled, and I can see perfectly at night. I heard many people can't see shit at night. Am I cheating? If not, where is the line? Implemented option or not? What makes this a good line?

[Auphilia]

Topic: Editing game graphics to get upper hand in-game!!!

 

If the modified files aren't getting anyone an upper hand, and is purely aesthetic, then they do not apply to this and therefore need not be discussed.

And to be honest: I never had problems spotting someone in bushes

You haven't played against me, Joker. I've ghosted people point blank in bushes.

[_Tak_]

Just because you don't do well doesn't mean its not cheating.

Yes but all i know/ doing is to lower the graphics as much as possible, please do not link me to cheaters or accuse me as a fucking cheater. I am tired of replying to this thread, nor I will spend time on it no more, Playing on Dx7, 640x480 resolution, everything white and some invisible shit appears in front of you feels good huh?

There is a limit of stuff you can change within warband, no I wasn't changing anything in cRPG, on warband and yet you people keep thinking about hacking/ cheating, this is completely bullshit, it might be possible to hack, but if you are not one of the dev that made this mod it is not possible to hack

there is no way anyone will get caught for editing game graphics, well I was dumb enough to say such things, but still its better to wait for one of the dev to answer these kind of stupid arguments/ questions, i am out

[Mlekce]

Joker dude,you are not seeing this right.
Imagine you have fog,so archer can shoot from faar away like it is sunny day and no way you can see that he is shooting at you and from where.
Lancer would have advantage of seeing what inf is not aware,and where is the big enemy mob,and where are the loners.
So you can go and avoid pikes,archers and shit,and go for safe kills.
You could avoid getting ambushed by someone in siedge,because some ppl are hiding behind wall,and they just wait for you to come closer to release attack.
You would know where to move,where not to go,you would know if archer behind tree is shooting someone,or is he reloading,you would know if is he spoted you or not.
This is 50% of game skill. Knowing where to go,and where not.

[Rhekimos]

If the modified files aren't getting anyone an upper hand, and is purely aesthetic, then they do not apply to this and therefore need not be discussed.

The problem is that the only practical way to combat this is removing the purely aesthetic mods as well!

Just look at:

cRPG launcher can replace every cRPG module related file but these are warband files. With custom client and launcher I guess it will be possible to run simple scheduled check for files integrity and, in case of changed textures and other warband files, redownload them (forced update).

It will just deny access to the server.
That said, nobody will be banned.

It's already being considered due to the amount of whine here.

[oprah_winfrey]

Yes but all i know/ doing is to lower the graphics as much as possible, please do not link me to cheaters or accuse me as a fucking cheater. I am tired of replying to this thread, nor I will spend time on it no more, Playing on Dx7, 640x480 resolution, everything white and some invisible shit appears in front of you feels good huh?

I play on dx7, just not all super low settings.

[Tavuk_Bey]

Joker dude,you are not seeing this right.
Imagine you have fog,so archer can shoot from faar away like it is sunny day and no way you can see that he is shooting at you and from where.
Lancer would have advantage of seeing what inf is not aware,and where is the big enemy mob,and where are the loners.
So you can go and avoid pikes,archers and shit,and go for safe kills.
You could avoid getting ambushed by someone in siedge,because some ppl are hiding behind wall,and they just wait for you to come closer to release attack.
You would know where to move,where not to go,you would know if archer behind tree is shooting someone,or is he reloading,you would know if is he spoted you or not.
This is 50% of game skill. Knowing where to go,and where not.

this.