Niuweidao vs. Katana

[Tydeus]

Niuweidao
weapon length: 88
weight: 1.5
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 88
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut

Katana
weapon length: 95
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 95
thrust damage: 16 pierce
swing damage: 37 cut

This may seem like a completely stupid question to some of you, if it is then you probably don't belong here. Even when discounting shields, is the Niuweidao actually a better weapon in a 1v1, assuming highly skilled players? Are 1h animations good enough to make the Niuweidao a better weapon? How about when fighting multiple people? Certainly, if the niuweidao had more cut damage I would undoubtedly say that it is, in every reasonable situation, a better weapon.

Personally, I'm on the fence about it. 5 cut is hard for me to ignore.

[Xant]

Katana is better when fighting without a shield. Clearly so. More damage and a lot more length (2h animations)

[Zanze]

Depends on how good you are at abusing the left swing to get head shots.

[Tydeus]

I guess I just don't think of ~20 range (discounting the useless thrust) as significant enough to matter, especially when considering that with swing range variance, the right swing for the Niuweidao could quite easily out range the katana.

[oprah_winfrey]

Depends on how good you are at abusing the left swing to get head shots.

you mean moving your mouse left and clicking left mouse button?

edit: I would say the ability to use a shield puts the niuweidao over the top. Even with a few points, being able to block ranged and effectivly attack seems important. That goes double for the current state of NA_1 that is overrun with throwers (although a few points in shield skill isn't going to be great against heavy throwing axes)

[Cyclopsided]

you mean moving your mouse left and clicking left mouse button?

edit: I would say the ability to use a shield puts the niuweidao over the top. Even with a few points, being able to block ranged and effectivly attack seems important. That goes double for the current state of NA_1 that is overrun with throwers (although a few points in shield skill isn't going to be great against heavy throwing axes)

absorbing axes into the shield is better than thy face


GO niuwewaewiodao, it would scare me more. when i imagine fighting you.

[oprah_winfrey]

absorbing axes into the shield is better than thy face


GO niuwewaewiodao, it would scare me more. when i imagine fighting you.

I agree, just sayin, your not going to be Neo_qc and have a shield with 10 axes and a couple throwing lances sticking out of it that still takes a couple axe hits to break (not many people can or want to be like neo in general though)

It is important to note that "better animations" is really dependent on who you are fighting. Many players (even those that are skilled) have problems seeing one hand swings+feints, especially from one so fast, but others find it easy to see, or default to blocking left and go from there.

[Mustikki]

Of course Katana is better than niuweidao.
Katana has 4 fighting direction with 2h animations where Niuweidao only 3 from 1h.

This might be outdated in some of, but mostly still right. Reach added by animations.

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http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,118906.0.html MYTH: #7
1h
Overhead = +0
Left-to-right = +0
Right-to-left = +19
Thrust = +61

2h
Overhead = +15
Left-to-right = +17
Right-to-left = +13
Thrust = +80

[oprah_winfrey]

Of course Katana is better than niuweidao.
Katana has 4 fighting direction with 2h animations where Niuweidao only 3 from 1h.

This might be outdated in some of, but mostly still right. Reach added by animations.

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http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,118906.0.html MYTH: #7
1h
Overhead = +0
Left-to-right = +0
Right-to-left = +19
Thrust = +61

2h
Overhead = +15
Left-to-right = +17
Right-to-left = +13
Thrust = +80

Yeah the 16p poke puts the katana miles ahead 

[Peasant_Woman]

Yeah the 16p poke puts the katana miles ahead 

The real joke is on MW katanas. 17p, 3 loompoints well spent.

[SixThumbs]

I prefer the niuweidao over the katana because you can do that crazy, chinese, swing the weapon around you head feint.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6neXBwPIGoU

[Phew]

1h can only hiltslash on left swing, and gets no reach bonus while doing so. 2h can hiltslash on either side swing, and gets a huge reach bonus while doing so. 1h right swing is a total joke in 1v1, as the delay is too long and it just glances anyway. 2h also gets the reach advantage on overhead, and any thrust is better than no thrust. That's ignoring the massive damage difference.

Katana by a mile.

[oprah_winfrey]

1h can only hiltslash on left swing, and gets no reach bonus while doing so. 2h can hiltslash on either side swing, and gets a huge reach bonus while doing so. 1h right swing is a total joke in 1v1, as the delay is too long and it just glances anyway. 2h also gets the reach advantage on overhead, and any thrust is better than no thrust. That's ignoring the massive damage difference.

Katana by a mile.

In a group fight the right swing isn't that great, but in 1v1 the right swing is very good.

[Banok]

Niuweidao is better, 1h animations are much better/harder to block. the stab on katana is actually a hinderance.

The real joke is on MW katanas. 17p, 3 loompoints well spent.

^

[Teeth]

The real joke is on MW katanas. 17p, 3 loompoints well spent.

What? Are you sure its not 18 like with the other weapons? +3 cut and +2 pierce?

Katana is obviously the better weapon, although the niuweidao when properly used can be nearly equal.

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http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,118906.0.html MYTH: #7
1h
Right-to-left = +19

2h
Overhead = +15
Left-to-right = +17
Right-to-left = +13

I don't believe this, 1h right swing is very long. I'd dare to outreach a katana with a niuweidao anyday.