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Offline n445

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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2012, 07:22:36 pm »
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No worries, I apologize for the snark, I just don't think that shooting modern arrows with a modern bow into a piece of sheet iron suddenly turns someone into a medieval armor expert.

It doesn't make me a medieval expert, but your right, I was shooting a longbow with bodkin arrows and it did kill, then again I wasn't shooting at a moving target. So as I see it your right too. Moving targets would give me more of a chance to glance, now that im not raging and can think about it lol

I also apologies =)
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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2012, 07:24:43 pm »
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It doesn't make me a medieval expert, but your right, I was shooting a longbow with bodkin arrows and it did kill, then again I wasn't shooting at a moving target. So as I see it your right too. Moving targets would give me more of a chance to glance, now that im not raging and can think about it lol

I also apologies =)

Well, mostly, what were you shooting at when you say "plate armor"? Was it an actual, rounded, shaped breastplate made of accurate era steel? Or some flat, square random piece of modern sheet metal?
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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2012, 07:29:22 pm »
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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2012, 07:29:39 pm »
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It was actual armour, helm, plate, reinforced and padded. Then again, I always shot it from a straight angle and facing the heart at a perfect angle, never really shot at it from a different angle
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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2012, 07:29:47 pm »
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Meleers will complain internally about each other's weapons all the time. The whole 1h/shield, polearm, 2h triangle of jealousy and mutual hatred. But they will all unite in their hatred of friendly archery.

I couldn't have formulated it better myself.

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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2012, 07:32:59 pm »
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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2012, 07:33:06 pm »
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Being an archer is popular. If there is a too large percentage of archers on the server the gameplay becomes shit, and people become archers to counter archers. Archery's popularity exceeds the the amount of archers the balance can handle. So to weed out a lot of the not so hardcore archers, they make the class individually underpowered, to prevent the class as a whole to be overpowered.

So if you all stop desiring to be an archer so desperately, the individual archer can be buffed.

Pretty much this. As it is now, an individual archer is pretty much useless, unless he is very skilled at his job. Yet, an individual Two-hander, or Polearm build, is very deadly, even on their own, and it does not require as much skill to be useful to your team.

I think archers were fine before, they didn't need a nerf like this. Compared to pretty much all melee builds, Archers do completely shit damage individually, the problem with ranged is when it becomes a concentrated force. I can think of a few times, pre-patch when about 7 Hospitaller archers camped a hill, and pretty much annihilated everyone since none of us had shields. Yet, with a bit of strategy, and teamwork, we beat the mass archers by just waiting it out, using natural cover, and not running into the meat grinder, because eventually, those archers that are shit at melee have to run to the flag if they want to win.

But regardless, I feel that the composition of "classes" has a lot to do with the balance of cRPG. Based on experience, I'd say 2H/Poles are the most common classes, and if that is the case, on some maps, with no strategy involved, a large amount of archers could completely murder your team. But if huscarl wielding shielders were the most prominent class, archers wouldn't be that useful at all.


It just seems that 2H/Polearm builds are so dominant in cRPG, that everyone hates range since it's their weakness, due to no shield, so they complain that archers are OP because there's nothing past footwork they can do to stop them. Maybe more people should become Shielders, archers are not a problem when you have a round Huscarl accompanied with an invisible force-field protecting you. I dunno, the balance is a real fragile thing, and I think the easiest way to balance this game would be to impose a limit on how many people can use ranged weapons per team, but I just don't see that happening, and I don't think the community would like that.

Coming from someone who has done three gens of pure 2H melee, I've raged at my fair share of archers, but they generally were just fine.
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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2012, 07:34:51 pm »
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i like that last paragraph viridian

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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2012, 07:38:07 pm »
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Yes ranged damage was very fine before nerf...

NOT

Pretty much anyone could drop your life in half with 1 arrow and others could drop you to 1/3 life that was not balanced.

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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2012, 07:40:18 pm »
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Let's go on with that and I'll correct you, the AMAZING archers have shown that the nerf hasn't done anything to them. But how much of the srever is to that skill level. This is about satisfying the many, not the few.
So you're saying that every archer regardless of his skill should be able to go 20-0 on EU1?

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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2012, 07:41:40 pm »
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Let's go on with that and I'll correct you, the AMAZING archers have shown that the nerf hasn't done anything to them. But how much of the srever is to that skill level. This is about satisfying the many, not the few.

Erm, partially that was the point of the change.

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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2012, 07:49:06 pm »
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Wow, there's already many rage threads, we should sticky a rage thread and have all ranged whine in there

I used to believe the 2hd lobby was the biggest,whiney, raging, e-peens lobby, but visibly i was wrong..

this shitstorm beats everything I'v seen and iv been roaming on these forums silently for a long time!

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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2012, 07:54:57 pm »
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People do realise that that the point of this change was to make archery more skill based instead. I have been killed by one shot to my 58 armor helmet. But survived 4-5 shots to the body. Of course this depends on the bow.

I like this change. If you are up against a bad archer you do not have to be too afraid, but if you are up against a good archer it is hell. One hit to the head and boom dead. At least if it is against a long bow or war bow.

Now headshots really pay off. If I were still an archer I would like this change. It would make me focus more on aiming instead of just firing arrows mindless into the enemy infantry.

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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2012, 07:55:14 pm »
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Wow, there's already many rage threads, we should sticky a rage thread and have all ranged whine in there

I used to believe the 2hd lobby was the biggest,whiney, raging, e-peens lobby, but visibly i was wrong..

this shitstorm beats everything I'v seen and iv been roaming on these forums silently for a long time!

They still are. We are arguing against a nerf they whined for.

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Re: Really melee-ers?
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2012, 08:00:57 pm »
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So you're saying that every archer regardless of his skill should be able to go 20-0 on EU1?

Nah, I think he's suggesting that archers should have an average of 10-10 as should any class. Not work your ass off to get 1-10 and watch all the noob immature shieldless 2handers do what they want and collect the vast majority of the kills.