Really melee-ers?

[Dexxtaa]

So I've noticed how happy melee-ers are. For months they Bit**** and complained about how "overpowered" archery was. So now we are underpowered, happy?

Yes, yes we are.

[Malaclypse]

isnt this precisely the point of an archer?

Hitting like a tank, sure, that's the point of any build that relies on a Strength-based stat. But to be able to hit like a tank- from range, not with a sword or axe or what have you- AND being able to consistently maintain that range against the majority of shield wearers, is ridiculous. What is presumed by many to be the natural counter for, and what should, in my opinion, be the natural counter for archers, are typically too encumbered to catch up with them. Even my 9/27 9ath Padded Leather + Knightly Heater + Flanged Mace user has trouble catching up with archers who cannot possibly be hitting that hard if they too have 9 athletics. That is and has been my main issue with archery. Hit like a tank, move like a gazelle. Needed balance, though the nerf was too extreme.

[SixThumbs]

Anyone who is FOR the archery nerf should try playing archery for a gen.

I did, before the nerf, and I had a hard time playing well and contributing much towards the team...let along getting actual kills.

Nerf unnecessary.

I tried to make a STF archer alt but I was broke after a map or two buying a tartar bow and tartar arrows and a hand-axe to really get a feel for it.

[Herkkutatti]

Only thing i have complained as melee  is Katana Speed/damage its crap 105 speed with 37 cut nerf it to 32 . 

[SixThumbs]

It's basically the length of a one-hander though.

[Tears of Destiny]

Also it is overpriced.

[Ohayashi]

is something wrong with homosexuality.

Homosexuality is a biological anomaly, of this there can be no debate. Does that render it inherently wrong? Depends upon your societal values.

[LastKaze]

I don't mind if archery was nerfed, i don't get how xbows were nerfed, xbows= anti tin-can, which means it's going to do very high damage if you don't have any tin-can armor on. Also xbow isn't like archery where you sit far away and shoot all day, xbowman(with an arbalest) got 13-26 bolts to shoot, the bolt when shot drops more than an arrow, it takes around 5-10 seconds to reload, and if your able to dodge the bolt, the xbowman has to resort to their melee.

[cmp]

Homosexuality is a biological anomaly, of this there can be no debate. Does that render it inherently wrong? Depends upon your societal values.

You are a biological anomaly.

[Kafein]

Homosexuality is a biological anomaly, of this there can be no debate. Does that render it inherently wrong? Depends upon your societal values.

Well not really. What is a biological anomaly already is vague enough. But even some animals have homosexual behaviors, although their mean of reproducing is sexual (not asexual), just like us humans. Birds with a strong social structure and mammals (mostly primates and sea mammals) are the most likely to display homosexual behavior.

[Dezilagel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU&feature=related

[CrazyCracka420]

The problem is that dev's listen to people complaining, and then they nerf something and completely fuck over the game balance. 

Archery is certainly a joke now (coming from someone who's never picked up a bow in crpg).  I have 12 strength and 2 iron flesh.  With a middle of the line armor that I wear (mail shirt) I can take a shot from a bodkin arrow and only do about 1/7 or 1/8 damage to my health. 

Just because a lot of people bitch about something, even a majority, doesn't mean catering to them is logical or based on rational reasoning.

[Overdriven]

The problem is that dev's listen to people complaining, and then they nerf something and completely fuck over the game balance. 

Archery is certainly a joke now (coming from someone who's never picked up a bow in crpg).  I have 12 strength and 2 iron flesh.  With a middle of the line armor that I wear (mail shirt) I can take a shot from a bodkin arrow and only do about 1/7 or 1/8 damage to my health.

We were playing around with horse archery and even a headshot from an MW hornbow + barbs didn't kill someone with a sarranid veiled helm 47 head armour and I had to finish them off with a couple of bodyshots. So much for the headshot buff working. With HA it's completely useless. Not point even trying.

[LastKaze]

The problem is that dev's listen to people complaining, and then they nerf something and completely fuck over the game balance. 

Archery is certainly a joke now (coming from someone who's never picked up a bow in crpg).  I have 12 strength and 2 iron flesh.  With a middle of the line armor that I wear (mail shirt) I can take a shot from a bodkin arrow and only do about 1/7 or 1/8 damage to my health. 

Just because a lot of people bitch about something, even a majority, doesn't mean catering to them is logical or based on rational reasoning.

I didn't see many bitch about the xbow, yet they nerf ALL range.

[Apsod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwsH2Y-I3c

Watch that video.  The aiming reticule might give you an idea what archers have to deal with.  Unless you're REALLY CLOSE you can't effectively aim at the head consistently because there is too much randomness regarding where the arrow is going to land.  Sure you can try to aim your shots up a bit higher, but you will miss much more often with your arrows while having a marginally better chance at scoring a head shot.

So archers will still have to fire arrows "mindlessly" (which isn't further from the truth btw for good archers) yet there was no change to actually make headshots any more likely.

Now, if missile speed & accuracy were improved across the board I would be more willing to let the recent changes slide, because good archers actually COULD aim for the head a bit better.

I know the reticule is bad and I do believe that archers should get a small accuracy buff. Tho to me it seems like the archer in that video has maybe a little less wpf in archery than pure archers have. It looks bigger than the one I used to have at least.

But tbh after giving it some thought, if I were still an archer myself I would probably want this to be reverted. So yeah, I support the archers on this one after giving it some thought. Other than that I would like that archers got more accuracy and missile speed, but less normal speed. I like the feeling of slow and powerfull archers, but that is only my opinion tho