Round Shields...(Nerf thread)

[Diomedes]

Couldn't agree more

Strength   18   
Agility   18   

Weapon proficiency
Available points: 0
One Handed   140
Two Handed   1   
Polearm   86   
Archery   1   
Crossbow   1   
Throwing   2   

Skills
Available points: 0
Ironflesh   0   
Power Strike   5   
Shield   6   
Athletics   6   
Riding   6   
Horse Archery   0   
Power Draw   0   
Power Throw   0   
Weapon master 6   

[rustyspoon]

First and foremost Huscarl shield need to be nerfed.

Now it's widest, best protecting in idle, one of the most resilient and offering decent enough speed.

I feel it should get a nerf a bit in resilience (reduce it's armor value) and a bit in speed (and other shield need a buff).

Nothing wrong with the Huscarl. If you're trying to break the shield instead of killing the guy behind it, you're doing it wrong.

[Xant]

Nothing wrong with the Huscarl. If you're trying to break the shield instead of killing the guy behind it, you're doing it wrong.

Except you can't kill the guy behind it before the shield breaks if he's playing defensive.

[Diomedes]

Except you can't kill the guy behind it before the shield breaks if he's playing defensive.

Not necessarily.  Some possibilities:

1) If you play a shielder against his teammates they may team-strike him
2) If you play a shielder against your teammates you or they will likely strike him
3) if you're fast you can strike a shielder's back/side
4) kick and slash a defensive shielder
5) call over horses to bump/trample a troublesome shielder

[Xant]

Not necessarily.  Some possibilities:

1) If you play a shielder against his teammates they may team-strike him
2) If you play a shielder against your teammates you or they will likely strike him
3) if you're fast you can strike a shielder's back/side
4) kick and slash a defensive shielder
5) call over horses to bump/trample a troublesome shielder

Yes, if the shielder is a total nub. 3 and 4 especially require the shielder to suck some donkey balls.

[Civilian]

6) Crushthrough defensive shielder
7) Break shield faster with axe/throwing weapons
8) Double team defensive shielder to get behind him for attack

[Diomedes]

Yes, if the shielder is a total nub. 3 and 4 especially require the shielder to suck some donkey balls.

Striking the back of a shielder is a context-dependent trick.  Sometimes I've backpedalled to make my enemy think he has friends behind him but when he turns I use my abnormal athletics to knock him down.  Kicking is also context-dependent since it's so uncommon that many skilled shielders don't anticipate it unless you're being really obvious about it.  The best kicks, though, are when you time it right so as to kick them while they're running sideways.  It often throws both the character and the player behind it a little off balance.


Wow, reading my comments makes it sound like I'm a really deceitful player   

[panderson]

6) Crushthrough defensive shielder
7) Break shield faster with axe/throwing weapons
8) Double team defensive shielder to get behind him for attack

I would like point out that #7 is not an alternative to breaking someones shield....

[UrLukur]

Striking the back of a shielder is a context-dependent trick.  Sometimes I've backpedalled to make my enemy think he has friends behind him but when he turns I use my abnormal athletics to knock him down.  Kicking is also context-dependent since it's so uncommon that many skilled shielders don't anticipate it unless you're being really obvious about it.  The best kicks, though, are when you time it right so as to kick them while they're running sideways.  It often throws both the character and the player behind it a little off balance.


Wow, reading my comments makes it sound like I'm a really deceitful player   

Striking the back dont work against round shields.

[Diomedes]

Striking the back dont work against round shields.

>> Yes it does.  I've a few kills to prove it.

>> They must have been new, it doesn't work against GOOD players with round shields

>> So good players are hard to kill.  Got it.

[rustyspoon]

As a shielder I have no problem fighting against another shielder. (Other than the fight being boring as hell)

So, I can't believe that a 2-hander or a polearm user would have any trouble against a shielder. My polearm guy eats shielders for breakfast.

Again, the only change I think is needed is to have shield speed mean something. If the lighter, less durable shields were faster, it would give people a reason to use them.

[Engine]

Huscarl needs to lose a few HP, imo. It's ubiquitous and there are very few high-end shields that are a good alternative.

Or just add more high-end shields.

[Gorath]

Huscarl needs to lose a few HP, imo. It's ubiquitous and there are very few high-end shields that are a good alternative.

Or just add more high-end shields.

Fast, fighter shields pl0x!

[rustyspoon]

Huscarl needs to lose a few HP, imo. It's ubiquitous and there are very few high-end shields that are a good alternative.

Or just add more high-end shields.

All the high-end shields except for the huscarl are pretty terrible. I mean, why would anyone use the buckler unless they like the look? It's expensive, tiny and breaks in two hits from an axe.

[UrLukur]

>> Yes it does.  I've a few kills to prove it.

>> They must have been new, it doesn't work against GOOD players with round shields

>> So good players are hard to kill.  Got it.

Rather, it's way harder to kill people with round shields than people with high shields. There is no point going for high shield when round ones are so much better, barring style.

By the same token, why use smaller shield when larger are much better.