This interesting surname belongs to that group of surnames which derive from pet forms of given names or nicknames. In this instance, the surname originated in Provence (South-East France) from a diminutive of "Nadal, Nadau", the Provencal cognomen of the Middle English and Old French "Noel", Christmas, and was introduced into England in the years following the Norman Conquest of 1066. The name was given to someone who had some particular connection with the Christmas season, such as owing the feudal duty of providing a yule-log to the Lord of the manor, or who gave a memorable performance as the Lord of Misrule in a play. It was also used as a given name for someone born during the Christmas period. On March 31st 1611, Mary Naden married Simon Goure at the church of St. Michael's, Bassishaw, London, while Dorcas, daughter of John and Ann Nadin, was christened at St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster, London on June 5th 1679. Barbe, daughter of Jean Nicholas and Marie Anne Nadin, was born on December 27th 1794 at Arnaville, Meurthe-Et-Moselle in France. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Christopher Naddyn, which was dated September 2nd 1576, christening witness at Holy Trinity the Less, London, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1st, known as "Good Queen Bess", 1558 - 1603. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.So yeah, apparently means Christmasy
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You sound like a weak-ass blue pill bundle of sticks, Panos. What she gets from that interaction is that you're so head over heels for her that you're telling all your friends about her and what her name is, even though there's nothing going on between you two. Why the fuck would your Turkish friends be telling you what her name means? You're never hitting that, you've already friendzoned yourself with your beta behavior.
I can show her this thread, if you like. She'll dump you in like 5 seconds time. As long it took me to find out her twitter/facebook/instagram profiles.
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Then why the fuck did she just agreed to go out for drinks with me, buddy...
Its ok mate, you can login and play c-rpg with the other Finn losers like you , while I will go out with her tonight...(click to show/hide)
Top motherfucking kek...
and yes, I am showing off, bundle of stickss.
That doesn't prove shit tho. There is a dog that kisses a bitch. The bitch recoils and looks suprised. I definitely have my fingers crossed for you Panos, just make sure to keep your humours in check.
Then why the fuck did she just agreed to go out for drinks with me, buddy...Girls love having beta orbiters, that's why. What do you think friendzone means, Einstein? It doesn't mean the girl ignores you, no, they still spend time with you and go out with you. But you're nothing but a beta friend. Soon she'll be asking you to approach some alpha for her.
Its ok mate, you can login and play c-rpg with the other Finn losers like you , while I will go out with her tonight...(click to show/hide)
Top motherfucking kek...
and yes, I am showing off, bundle of stickss.
Girls love having beta orbiters, that's why. What do you think friendzone means, Einstein? It doesn't mean the girl ignores you, no, they still spend time with you and go out with you. But you're nothing but a beta friend. Soon she'll be asking you to approach some alpha for her.
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You sound like a weak-ass blue pill bundle of sticks, Panos. What she gets from that interaction is that you're so head over heels for her that you're telling all your friends about her and what her name is, even though there's nothing going on between you two. Why the fuck would your Turkish friends be telling you what her name means? You're never hitting that, you've already friendzoned yourself with your beta behavior.
Great a Finn, teaching a Greek how to get laid.It's "loser", not "looser."
Xant, I don't believe for 1 second you are good with the ladies. The only RL people I've met who are so deep into red pill as you are, are CONSEQUENTLY stiff, awkward, shy people who are creepy as fuck, using red pill as some looser excuse that something must be wrong with the world, not with themselves.
I'm not particularily fond of Greeks, but I have to admit that greek men, do have a long standing reputation for consistently bedding Finnish (and scandinavian) ladies.
Just from the interaction on these forums, its easy to see that Panos is a way funnier, charming, outgoing man, than you will ever be. Now go back and read your forums on how to get laid. Or drink yourself blind.
It's "loser", not "looser."
It's "loser", not "looser."
#gottem
Guray?Can confirm :)
Yeah. With that strong comeback I am willing to take datingadvice from Xant again.We've all seen what Thomek looks like on the devblogs, giving him an actual retort would be like beating up a retarded Down's syndrome kid suffering from leprosy who said you're not handsome. Just not nice.
Long story short
Met an Armenian girl from Turkey that studies at my University (Erasmus), at the gym, we went out and had fun, I wanted to open a new conversation with an ice breaking line, and I heard that retard Kratos who 2 hours earlier told me that her name Nadim, means unique in Turkish..
Big mistake....
FUCK YOU KRATOS...
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:P
Man, they really should give you the custom forum title "Envoy of the Rodge" :)
Gentlemen, we are the most confused bunch of wingmen I have ever witnessed in action.
And yes, Xant's apparent belief that all interactions with the opposite sex are adversarial is a persona.
As for putting images of other people online, please Panos you work in IT or something you should know not to do that you beautiful greek skinhead idiot.
Shit i posted a "rate my gf" pic in the krems whatsapp thread. Will someone send her donkey poo in a box?
No amount of bantering is ever enough for you guys, is it?
Its a group where important questions are askedIndeed.(click to show/hide)
Indeed.(click to show/hide)
Its a group where important questions are askedhttp://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/do-you-wipe-sitting-down-or-standing-up/75/(click to show/hide)
Waiting for date report, don't fail on us now Pano
Bet you didn't even make out, you sissy
http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/do-you-wipe-sitting-down-or-standing-up/75/
In case you were still looking
I just told her I did it because I have never seen such a beautiful girl like herlol
We went out on a costume party, I shall upload a picture of us later.God damn it Panos, now you really done goofed.
True, we didnt make out, but we came closer in overall, and I let it in the air that I am interested in her.
Fun fact, Xant was partially right, she indeed asked me why I spoke with my turkish friend about her, and I just told her I did it because I have never seen such a beautiful girl like her, and that I wanted to learn some turkish expressions to impress her, smooth as fuck mates...smooth as fuck :mrgreen:
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Xant knows the game so well, never plays.The game answers to me, Butan. I've got the keys to the game.
and I just told her I did it because I have never seen such a beautiful girl like her, and that I wanted to learn some turkish expressions to impress her
The game answers to me, Butan. I've got the keys to the game.Cheater confirmed (gammahydroxybutyrate)!
This thread is fucking gold, bump
Like seriously what's wrong with possibly opening a "friendzone blackhole"? Going in relationships with a such a pre-defined goal in mind reeks of base cynicism and that's going to get you burned with most human beings worth being close to. That set of course, does not include most of the red-pill bestiary of targets. I understand it's a valid way of thinking about it if you are incapable of giving up in case you do get into the "friendzone blackhole". But I would hope that you have enough perspective to cut your losses when things don't go the way you wanted them to go. Plenty of fish in the sea and all that.Because most males want to have sex with beautiful females, not just be their friends.
Like seriously what's wrong with possibly opening a "friendzone blackhole"? Going in relationships with a such a pre-defined goal in mind reeks of base cynicism and that's going to get you burned with most human beings worth being close to. That set of course, does not include most of the red-pill bestiary of targets. I understand it's a valid way of thinking about it if you are incapable of giving up in case you do get into the "friendzone blackhole". But I would hope that you have enough perspective to cut your losses when things don't go the way you wanted them to go. Plenty of fish in the sea and all that.
I just told her I did it because I have never seen such a beautiful girl like her, and that I wanted to learn some turkish expressions to impress her, smooth as fuck mates...smooth as fuck :mrgreen:
Like seriously what's wrong with possibly opening a "friendzone blackhole"? Going in relationships with a such a pre-defined goal in mind reeks of base cynicism and that's going to get you burned with most human beings worth being close to. That set of course, does not include most of the red-pill bestiary of targets. I understand it's a valid way of thinking about it if you are incapable of giving up in case you do get into the "friendzone blackhole". But I would hope that you have enough perspective to cut your losses when things don't go the way you wanted them to go. Plenty of fish in the sea and all that.
Clock is ticking. Will our hero Panos get laid during this semester?
Panos, learn from anime lead characters. Be that clumsy, uninterested nice guy who will under strange circumstances get to show girl his huge schlong making her want him even more. You know, like RJ Berger.
You sound like a weak-ass blue pill bundle of sticks, Panos. What she gets from that interaction is that you're so head over heels for her that you're telling all your friends about her and what her name is, even though there's nothing going on between you two. Why the fuck would your Turkish friends be telling you what her name means? You're never hitting that, you've already friendzoned yourself with your beta behavior.
Great a Finn, teaching a Greek how to get laid.
Xant, I don't believe for 1 second you are good with the ladies. The only RL people I've met who are so deep into red pill as you are, are CONSEQUENTLY stiff, awkward, shy people who are creepy as fuck, using red pill as some looser excuse that something must be wrong with the world, not with themselves.
I'm not particularily fond of Greeks, but I have to admit that greek men, do have a long standing reputation for consistently bedding Finnish (and scandinavian) ladies.
Just from the interaction on these forums, its easy to see that Panos is a way funnier, charming, outgoing man, than you will ever be. Now go back and read your forums on how to get laid. Or drink yourself blind.
If you really want to hit that pussy, Panos, there is only one course of action. Go forth and read everything here, you will become a pussy slaying god of sex: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill
I deliver...
We have yet another date this saturday...
I deliver...
We have yet another date this saturday...
I deliver...Remember to look into her eyes and ask her how she feels about marriage and kids. Tell her that you've been trying to get a girlfriend for a while now but no one is interested. That will engage her maternal instincts and pussy is sure to be yours.
We have yet another date this saturday...
Remember to look into her eyes and ask her how she feels about marriage and kids. Tell her that you've been trying to get a girlfriend for a while now but no one is interested. That will engage her maternal instincts and pussy is sure to be yours.
Remember to look into her eyes and ask her how she feels about marriage and kids. Tell her that you've been trying to get a girlfriend for a while now but no one is interested. That will engage her maternal instincts and pussy is sure to be yours.
I honestly don't even understand how they prolong their specie.
Alcohol.
What you hear from European girls is how they hate Turkish men and hate going to Turkey because they're all so "oily" and greasy and taking flirting to a level where it's harassment.
I want to deny this but I can't.
Oh well.
nigga lol just grab her and say:Alternative tactic:
don worry boo a real street thug got yo ass now
ima hold u down
say my name
and then once she says your name (make sure there's not an ounce of her own will in the voice, you must dominate her), make sure you compliment her
yeah bby, you smaht, you loyal
She'sturkisharmenian and you censored her face, I know why!
Nah, if she was armenian he wouldn't have had to censor the face :lol:I take it that you did not read the first post but w/e
I take it that you did not read the first post but w/e
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Top motherfucking kek...
and yes, I am showing off, bundle of stickss.
nigga lol just grab her and say:you grapefruit
don worry boo a real street thug got yo ass now
ima hold u down
say my name
and then once she says your name (make sure there's not an ounce of her own will in the voice, you must dominate her), make sure you compliment her
yeah bby, you smaht, you loyal
I think I can be classified as an Omega-male after what I did 4 months ago.
Went to the club with friends, had fun. 15 minutes before the club closes I get pulled by a girl to the middle of the dance floor and coupled with one of the hottest girls in the club. End up going with her to her sisters after-party. After talking for hours, everyone fell asleep except for us. As I am about to leave, she asks me to stay and sleep. So we sleep on a tiny couch together. Me being an omega expect we're just gonna sleep, but she puts her legs and arms over mine and her head on my shoulders very intimately, basically DTF. Me being an omega, I tell her she's pretty and gay shit like that and then we fall asleep together.
Now all my friends think I am gay and laugh at me. I've never regret something this much in my life.
I think I can be classified as an Omega-male after what I did 4 months ago.Guuh, I´ve done similar shit like that a couple of years ago, never refuse an obvious invite. See it as a lesson for the next time
Went to the club with friends, had fun. 15 minutes before the club closes I get pulled by a girl to the middle of the dance floor and coupled with one of the hottest girls in the club. End up going with her to her sisters after-party. After talking for hours, everyone fell asleep except for us. As I am about to leave, she asks me to stay and sleep. So we sleep on a tiny couch together. Me being an omega expect we're just gonna sleep, but she puts her legs and arms over mine and her head on my shoulders very intimately, basically DTF. Me being an omega, I tell her she's pretty and gay shit like that and then we fall asleep together.
Now all my friends think I am gay and laugh at me. I've never regret something this much in my life.
I think I can be classified as an Omega-male after what I did 4 months ago.
Went to the club with friends, had fun. 15 minutes before the club closes I get pulled by a girl to the middle of the dance floor and coupled with one of the hottest girls in the club. End up going with her to her sisters after-party. After talking for hours, everyone fell asleep except for us. As I am about to leave, she asks me to stay and sleep. So we sleep on a tiny couch together. Me being an omega expect we're just gonna sleep, but she puts her legs and arms over mine and her head on my shoulders very intimately, basically DTF. Me being an omega, I tell her she's pretty and gay shit like that and then we fall asleep together.
Now all my friends think I am gay and laugh at me. I've never regret something this much in my life.
I tell her she's pretty and gay shit like that and then we fall asleep together.
I think I can be classified as an Omega-male after what I did 4 months ago.
Went to the club with friends, had fun. 15 minutes before the club closes I get pulled by a girl to the middle of the dance floor and coupled with one of the hottest girls in the club. End up going with her to her sisters after-party. After talking for hours, everyone fell asleep except for us. As I am about to leave, she asks me to stay and sleep. So we sleep on a tiny couch together. Me being an omega expect we're just gonna sleep, but she puts her legs and arms over mine and her head on my shoulders very intimately, basically DTF. Me being an omega, I tell her she's pretty and gay shit like that and then we fall asleep together.
Now all my friends think I am gay and laugh at me. I've never regret something this much in my life.
I think I can be classified as an Omega-male after what I did 4 months ago.dude you are so gay that even gays wouldnt touch you :D sad story thou :(
Went to the club with friends, had fun. 15 minutes before the club closes I get pulled by a girl to the middle of the dance floor and coupled with one of the hottest girls in the club. End up going with her to her sisters after-party. After talking for hours, everyone fell asleep except for us. As I am about to leave, she asks me to stay and sleep. So we sleep on a tiny couch together. Me being an omega expect we're just gonna sleep, but she puts her legs and arms over mine and her head on my shoulders very intimately, basically DTF. Me being an omega, I tell her she's pretty and gay shit like that and then we fall asleep together.
Now all my friends think I am gay and laugh at me. I've never regret something this much in my life.
especially if you can go to countries like Greece, Portugal or maybe Spain, where you don't have to study at all
Tommorow is the big day?
And he get's muted, the humanity!!!
One of those rare times I can't figure out what the heck happened. Post history doesn't show anything unusual.check the part where he says not nice things about killmax and xesta :D
Edit: Think I know what could be the reason. Posting WTS thread outside marketplace section. It is hard for me to believe there are still moderators who take their assignment seriously, given circumstances.
And he get's muted, the humanity!!!
i think this thread became to popular and was sucking away all the attention that should rather be focused on the melee battlegrounds thread and non existing devblog. the mastermind idea behind banning panos is to direct the attention of possible players back to MBG. at least thats my theory.
meme stealerThat's not how memes work
That's not how memes work
Calm down, there's an easy way to solve this.
Panos, if it was a success, upvote this post. If it was a failure, downvote it.
Everything is made from memes thats basic science.Content becomes a meme when it goes viral
This thread is tl; I still read everything. PURE 24 KARAT GOLD!
Now the important part!
So Panos, since you aren't muted any longer and the date was yesterday. Tell us, did you get into her pants?
Calm down, there's an easy way to solve this.
Panos, if it was a success, upvote this post. If it was a failure, downvote it.
GODMANIT BADMINS. Raise your pitchforks peasants. FREE PANOSA reflex post?(click to show/hide)
Ok lol he is free :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
but after our date she stopped responding to my sms's
We met up at 21:00 o clock Athens time, I decided to go with her into a classical cafe beneath the Akropolis, we sat there for 2 hours, and then we went for a walk, suddenly I just told her "Wait" and I kissed her, she kissed back, but after our date she stopped responding to my sms's , what now all mighty Xant?
Content becomes a meme when it goes viral
For that, people have to share and repost
You refer to sharing and reposting as stealing
But stealing makes it sound like it should be avoided
Thus your memes are memes that aren't viral
In other words, in your world, memes can't be memes
Contradicto in adjecto
Or less scientific: Pff fek u dumb or what m8?
We met up at 21:00 o clock Athens time, I decided to go with her into a classical cafe beneath the Akropolis, we sat there for 2 hours, and then we went for a walk, suddenly I just told her "Wait" and I kissed her, she kissed back, but after our date she stopped responding to my sms's , what now all mighty Xant?
was it an alpha kiss or a beta kiss?
(btw downvoting all meme posts!)
We met up at 21:00 o clock Athens time, I decided to go with her into a classical cafe beneath the Akropolis, we sat there for 2 hours, and then we went for a walk
What did you text her?
We met up at 21:00 o clock Athens time, I decided to go with her into a classical cafe beneath the Akropolis, we sat there for 2 hours, and then we went for a walk, suddenly I just told her "Wait" and I kissed her, she kissed back, but after our date she stopped responding to my sms's , what now all mighty Xant?
2 hours... and that's all? You ask girl out on a second date, take her to some dirt cheap cafe and before she has time to order sth more than one cofeee, you take her for a walk? For a walk??? I know that you, greeks are poor and all that, but c'mon, don't be surprised that she stopped responding to you. Even armenian girls have some pride...
Playing dead after the date is a classic though. That's what this hard to get business gets us, it is easy to mistake it with pride.
I think I can be classified as an Omega-male after what I did 4 months ago.
Went to the club with friends, had fun. 15 minutes before the club closes I get pulled by a girl to the middle of the dance floor and coupled with one of the hottest girls in the club. End up going with her to her sisters after-party. After talking for hours, everyone fell asleep except for us. As I am about to leave, she asks me to stay and sleep. So we sleep on a tiny couch together. Me being an omega expect we're just gonna sleep, but she puts her legs and arms over mine and her head on my shoulders very intimately, basically DTF. Me being an omega, I tell her she's pretty and gay shit like that and then we fall asleep together.
Now all my friends think I am gay and laugh at me. I've never regret something this much in my life.
And then you never met her again?..
I find it amazing how I could make out with a stranger within 30 seconds of meeting them to the point that guards stop us, and I can't even kiss a girl im interested in.That's the point. The less you care, the more you get.
And two days ago I meet her again in the night club with her friends, she's kind of all over me. Dancing with me, telling me to embrace her while we were outside because it's cold etc. Same shit, I can not kiss her for some goddamn reason or do anything with her. She eventually became frustrated with me and pushes me kind of to the side and runs after what happens to be her ex. Not going to go through every single detail but she ended up leaving the place together with him. I find it amazing how I could make out with a stranger within 30 seconds of meeting them to the point that guards stop us, and I can't even kiss a girl im interested in.
Have you considered turning bi to double your chances?
I don't have issues picking up girls in nightclubs, it hasn't been too hard. They usually tend to come to me, it's just when I am genuinly interested in them I can't do anything.you are destined to be fuckboy
you are destined tobefuck boys
who is BASNAK?A ladies man.
It's interesting because modern society teaches men to be Blue Pill and assures that's what women want, and so we end up with tragic cases like BASNAK, yet girls are obviously still products of evolution and they prefer the caveman to the genteel and sweet "modern man." They want someone dominant and detached who knows what they want. Remember this lesson well.
http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/12/frame/
A ladies man.Sorry, nevermind, it's the rocket guy. I usually don't remember people's nicknames, just the pictures.
NAWALTAWALT.
Then about two weeks ago in a nightclub i go proper fuckboy mode after drinking too much alcohol and 5 red bulls, and dance with alot of girls and while im making out with one girl I get separated from her by the guards because it started becoming 18+ material.
It's interesting because modern society teaches men to be Blue Pill and assures that's what women want, and so we end up with tragic cases like BASNAK, yet girls are obviously still products of evolution and they prefer the caveman to the genteel and sweet "modern man." They want someone dominant and detached who knows what they want. Remember this lesson well.Haha If that's too gentel for Xant taste I wonder what's his beast mode.
http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/12/frame/
http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/12/frame/This guy is a terrible writer, I have no idea what the fuck he is talking about
No updates Panos? You also said nothing about what you texted that girl! Your thread starts to remind me the Devblog!
Oh wow, you're sooooo fucked, ah ah ah ah
offer her to meet at her place and not speak about it instead.
NO! Just offer her to meet at her place to have fun instead of talkiing about boyfriends and feels and shit.
Rape?
I was at the gym, doing chest, and when I got home this was at my pm's, WHAT DO ALMIGHTY FORUM CUNTS?
but chances are you're emotional wussy and she could break your heart in the end.
We see again, AWALT. Slut putting herself in a situation to cheat on her boyfriend, then is "surprised" and "confused" when it develops into something more.
She's already shown she's not a classy broad, so treat her like the slut she is. Obviously you don't want to make her your girlfriend, but if you want her as a fuckbuddy just be decisive. There'll be a little hamster spinning in her head trying to make up reasons not to sleep with you, but she wants the D anyway, which is why she's been doing what she's doing and wants to have coffee with you. Ball is in your court now, Panagiotis. Success or failure depends on what you do next. Don't give up after the first or second or third reason she gives for why it's not a good idea or why she shouldn't do it, just sit there radiating testosterone like a failed North Korean Ubermensch experiment and kiss her again after you manage to hold eye contact for a while.
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I was at the gym, doing chest, and when I got home this was at my pm's, WHAT DO ALMIGHTY FORUM CUNTS?
No updates Panos? You also said nothing about what you texted that girl! Your thread starts to remind me the Devblog!
You should tell her to leave her kebab boyfriend and come live with you for the rest of her life because you love her
INB4 Panos dies by honor killing by her boyfriend and his 200 cousins.
Oh god I think Ireland just meltedA sign of the times, Kafein, a sign of the age of decline we live in. Sometimes, we must take what is offered and sometimes it has to be enough.
On topic: this just got more boring than a sitcom. I prefer when Xant is discussing the impossibility of free will in a causal world.
Is the girl turkish or Armenian?
Iam confused :|
She is a Turkish speaking Armenian, posts some anti Turk stuff related to genocide etc. Soulmate of Panos.
Thx Kratos :) now I understand.because they both love turks
Lool why soulmate? :lol:
i lold, his name reminds me of liquid poop on russian
On a sidenote, reading "panagiotis" makes me laugh everytime for whatever reason, 10/10 would read that name again.
On a sidenote, reading "panagiotis" makes me laugh everytime for whatever reason, 10/10 would read that name again.It's like finding out that a great evil warlord's real name is Pussyfart.
Oh god I think Ireland just meltedWait, are you referencing some actual argument I've had here or is that an example of a discussion that I might have? Because my stance has certainly never been that free will is impossible in a causal world.
On topic: this just got more boring than a sitcom. I prefer when Xant is discussing the impossibility of free will in a causal world.
Nothing is 'mere.'- Dick Feynman.
Mongols dressed up as Germans
Don't get involved mang. When there's a boyfriend there's always problems down the line. Just GTFO.But the boyfriend is far away, so he's pretty much nonexistent. Also Turkgirl is going home in few weeks, so I suggest getting the most of this time and fucking. Even if Turkboy finds out, he's not going to fly to Greece just to tell Panagiotis how rude he is.
Also if it all goes down and she sticks with the turkman will Panos' turkhate increase? Cos I didn't think it was possible.
Wait, are you referencing some actual argument I've had here or is that an example of a discussion that I might have? Because my stance has certainly never been that free will is impossible in a causal world.
do you believe you can make decisions?
But the boyfriend is far away, so he's pretty much nonexistent. Also Turkgirl is going home in few weeks, so I suggest getting the most of this time and fucking. Even if Turkboy finds out, he's not going to fly to Greece just to tell Panagiotis how rude he is.It's not the boyfriend that's the problem though dude. Panos is clearly into this girl and if he takes it further it'll hit him harder when she leaves.
No, it's not "worse" in the least. Describing a thing doesn't make it exist any less. Yes, "you" aren't a fixed thing. So what? And as opposed to what? Would "you" only make sense if "you" weren't structured in any particular way? What is the point of what you just said, what does it refute?
But it's even worse than that if you consider that if your definition of identity is purely physical then it doesn't really hold any meaning at all. You are just a big lump of interchangeable stuff structured in some particular way and in constant flux.
If "you" have free will, then absolutely every other arbitrary lump of stuff also has free will.This is a non sequitur. "Any arbitrary lump of stuff" isn't capable of considering different choices and making decisions.
And thus the concept of free will itself makes little senseOnly if you define it extremely weirdly.
as it applies to everything that exists.It really doesn't.
I wouldn't expect most people to say of a rock that it has free will, yet it has it exactly as much as a human being.A rock cannot think. A rock has no will. A rock can't make decisions. Therefore, it can't have free will.
I think we've had some discussion approaching that at some point.nigga I'm a fucking computer
Depends on what is "you", and that is the crux of the issue. If you hold the belief that "you" is not limited to a body that follows the laws of physics, then indeed you get the mind-body problem. Granted, this is thoroughly uninteresting.
But it's even worse than that if you consider that if your definition of identity is purely physical then it doesn't really hold any meaning at all. You are just a big lump of interchangeable stuff structured in some particular way and in constant flux. If "you" have free will, then absolutely every other arbitrary lump of stuff also has free will. And thus the concept of free will itself makes little sense, as it applies to everything that exists. I wouldn't expect most people to say of a rock that it has free will, yet it has it exactly as much as a human being.
No, it's not "worse" in the least. Describing a thing doesn't make it exist any less. Yes, "you" aren't a fixed thing. So what? And as opposed to what? Would "you" only make sense if "you" weren't structured in any particular way? What is the point of what you just said, what does it refute?
This is a non sequitur. "Any arbitrary lump of stuff" isn't capable of considering different choices and making decisions.
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A rock cannot think. A rock has no will. A rock can't make decisions. Therefore, it can't have free will.
It refutes the idea that you can look at the state of the universe and find a minimal subset of matter which is "you".You won't find an atom that is "you", yes, so what? Just because there is no stone that is inherently a pyramid doesn't mean pyramids don't exist.
You are a sum of parts, and it is unclear what is part of that sum and what isn't.Yes, and?
Conversely, if you look at an emergent property of matter such as "will" as I will go into below, there is no way to find a minimal subset of matter that "has" will.It is also impossible to find a rock that "has" pyramid-ness. Yet there are pyramids. Pyramids are an emergent property of stones stacked in a certain way. That doesn't mean pyramids don't exist, nor does it mean a robot is a pyramid.
Both your identity as that one person and the distinction between things that have will and things that don't are conventions based on consensus, items of language which don't hold any profound meaning.No, they're not, and yes they do.
What is "will" then? Obviously it is an emergent property of matter that we define according to some human standard. But what would you say of a robot that can fool humans into thinking it is human? Obviously, other people would consider that robot to have free will in the way you seem to define the notion. Yet it's a robot and by the same definition it trivially cannot have free will.That depends on how the robot works. Being fooled into thinking something has free will is neither here nor there. It doesn't change the true state of things.
You won't find an atom that is "you", yes, so what? Just because there is no stone that is inherently a pyramid doesn't mean pyramids don't exist.
No, they're not, and yes they do.
That depends on how the robot works.
Being fooled into thinking something has free will is neither here nor there. It doesn't change the true state of things.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/iv/the_futility_of_emergence/
That's not really what I meant. When I say minimal subset, I don't mean something small like an atom, I mean something minimal that holds the property I'm talking about. Like there is a minimal amount of population that turns a settlement into what is generally called a city, you can have a minimal city.What does a minimal subset of matter having free will have to do with anything?
Can you give me a rigorous, non-circular definition of a minimal subset of matter that has free will then ?
No it doesn't. As far as I can understand, your own definition of free will is as perceived by humans of a large phenomenon vastly too complex to be broken down by humans. Alternatively, what would be the difference between a robot where this is true and one where this is false?Yes it does. You understand wrong then. A true AI that isn't programmed to the contrary could have free will, just like humans. A robot that is programmed like current robots/AIs wouldn't.
What is "being fooled" when there is no "true state" to speak of? Something that is indistinguishable from a duck in every measurable aspect *is* a duck.Because there is a true state to speak of?
What does a minimal subset of matter having free will have to do with anything?
Yes it does. You understand wrong then. A true AI that isn't programmed to the contrary could have free will, just like humans. A robot that is programmed like current robots/AIs wouldn't.
Because there is a true state to speak of?
If free will can't be measured, does it exist? I would say no. And you keep on dodging that definition.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free%20will
What is the difference between "A true AI" and current robots? What would be a program that has free will?
If you say that a program can have free will, then you have to be able to design a test that tells you if a program has free will, something that you will not be able to do.
If you say that a program can't have free will, then humans can't have free will either, because a robot can be designed to replicate human behavior.
If you say that human behavior can't be replicated by a robot, then you get the mind-body problem.
Then what is it?
So a philosopher would say: Either we don't have free will, or free will doesn't require being the sole ultimate Author* source of your own decisions, QED.
I have a somewhat different perspective, and say: Your sensation of freely choosing, clearly does not provide you with trustworthy information to the effect that you are the 'ultimate and only source' of your own actions. This being the case, why attempt to interpret the sensation as having such a meaning, and then say that the sensation is false?
Surely, if we want to know which meaning to attach to a confusing sensation, we should ask why the sensation is there, and under what conditions it is present or absent.
Then I could say something like: "This sensation of freedom occurs when I believe that I can carry out, without interference, each of multiple actions, such that I do not yet know which of them I will take, but I am in the process of judging their consequences according to my emotions and morals."
This is a condition that can fail in the presence of jail cells, or a decision so overwhelmingly forced that I never perceived any uncertainty about it.
There - now my sensation of freedom indicates something coherent; and most of the time, I will have no reason to doubt the sensation's veracity. I have no problems about saying that I have "free will" appropriately defined; so long as I am out of jail, uncertain of my own future decision, and living in a lawful universe that gave me emotions and morals whose interaction determines my choices.
Certainly I do not "lack free will" if that means I am in jail, or never uncertain of my future decisions, or in a brain-state where my emotions and morals fail to determine my actions in the usual way.
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I think the difference here is that Kafein kinda filosophies when asked to give you an input of his opinion. Xant filosophies to show you that his brain is superior to yours. Cause you are inferior plebs and you need to be aware of that. :lol:
I think the difference here is that Kafein kinda filosophies when asked to give you an input of his opinion. Xant filosophies to show you that his brain is superior to yours. Cause you are inferior plebs and you need to be aware of that. :lol:
Kafein uses sophistry to avoid direct questions. I guess that philosophical.AKA using big words to sound smart
Tellingly, Panos hasn't updated this thread.
So?Now he hates turks even more :P
Went to her house, she told me that she liked me very much and tried to kiss me, I pulled back because she has a boyfriend and left her house.
Since then I fucking regret my decision to be the good guy, HOW THE FUCK COULD I DO THAT TO MYSELF?
I deserve to be banned...
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I pulled back because she has a boyfriend and left her house.
Who gives a fuck about her boyfriend? That's her problem, not yours.
Went to her house, she told me that she liked me very much and tried to kiss me, I pulled back because she has a boyfriend and left her house.
Don't listen to Angantyr, Panos. He's the definition of beta.On the contrary it shows a surplus of respectability and confidence, this boyish thing with wanting to do anything to get a little pussy is pathetic, a clear display of someone desperate enough because he needs to take every chance he gets. A real man has discipline and principles and don't need shortcuts.
Being with other men's women is unbecoming of a man, something undisciplined, irresponsible little boys do.
Don't hurt someone you've never met for some stupid slut, when there's plenty more out there.
And yes, I've done it - when I was a teenager - would not do it as an adult (though it has happened on accident, where I didn't know).
If you still want her simply tell her to break up with him first, which she if she was worth anything would've already done.
On the contrary it shows a surplus of respectability and confidence, this boyish thing with wanting to do anything to get a little pussy is pathetic, a clear display of someone desperate enough because he needs to take every chance he gets. A real man has discipline and principles and don't need shortcuts.
I've been with different women continuously since I was 13 and I am now 31. Greater in number and more beautiful and interesting women than you ever will be with, most like.
Being with other men's women is unbecoming of a man, something undisciplined, irresponsible little boys do.Why? It's not your job to uphold someone else's contract. You didn't make any promises to anyone's boyfriend or husband. And I doubt it's the actual physical act of sex that's "hurtful" to most guys, it's enough that the slut wants to/would do it if some stranger agreed.
Don't hurt someone you've never met for some stupid slut, when there's plenty more out there.
And yes, I've done it - when I was a teenager - would not do it as an adult (though it has happened on accident, where I didn't know).
If you still want her simply tell her to break up with him first, which she if she was worth anything would've already done.
You label a different behaviour than you boyish etc, but really its just a question of choice.That's what it is in my experience. Same with being unfaithful to your partner, which I've done almost as a sport, I guess it takes hurting people who care about you enough before you maybe realize it. You being in a general sense.
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No, this is not a story you should tell your friends.
Being with other men's women is unbecoming of a man, something undisciplined, irresponsible little boys do.
Don't hurt someone you've never met for some stupid slut, when there's plenty more out there.
And yes, I've done it - when I was a teenager - would not do it as an adult (though it has happened on accident, where I didn't know).
If you still want her simply tell her to break up with him first, which she if she was worth anything would've already done.
Being with other men's women is unbecoming of a man, something undisciplined, irresponsible little boys do.wow ur such a manly gentleman
If you still want her simply tell her to break up with him first, which she if she was worth anything would've already done.yes, she will definitely break up with her turkboyfriend to have a few nights with the supreme Greek gentleman, then go back to Turkey
I've been with different women continuously since I was 13 and I am now 31. Greater in number and more beautiful and interesting women than you ever will be with, most like.fucking rekt son, Renayy lmao
fucking rekt son, Renayy lmao
She has no loyalty. You should tell her to break up or gtfo. But then again who wants my advice.
Whether Panos is used to be in this position or not doesn't have much to do whether he should or shouldn't do it, ethically speaking.
She sounds pretty despicable to me with her whole "oh, I have a boyfriend and I'm not sure if this is fair to him, come over let's talk *tries to kiss poor Panagiotis*" stunt. Panagiotis, our wayward hero, could have slain that pussy and I wouldn't have thought he's a prick for it, but I think it's also entirely legit to tell her to go fuck herself. Being a cheating slut that's willing to fuck over her boyfriend like that would mean I don't want any of that. One steps of being a Man is controlling your sexual urges enough that you only let them run wild when you give them permission, instead of whenever there's a pussy around - and what's going on inside a girl's head is as important as her looks.
Nobody said he has to date her after... you guys are taking this all too serious. It might not be comprehendable for your beta brains, but it is entirely possible to have sex with a girl and then... nothing!You're the only one talking about dating. Some of us don't need to make do with the scraps, we can pick and choose; just because a girl is willing to have sex with you doesn't mean you have to have sex with her. If she's a cheater, that's a major turn off.
Bitter much?Bitter about what?
He has no reason to know whether this "boyfriend" even exists. Or if she loves him, if he loves her, or if he's fucking someone on the side, or if she wants to get out of this relationship. He doesn't know, and when you are starting to get to know someone you can never know. She might have entirely legit reasons to cheat on her boyfriend. Show me someone in their early 20's that will cleanly cut and end their first relationships fair and square before they move on to the next one! Sure, when people get older, know what they want and the consequences of their actions, but not in the beginnings.
Then some BS about controlling sexual urges more. This is not about urges, it's about him not being casual and confident enough, simply because he hasn't yet experienced that girls are just normal human beings and nothing special to raise an eyebrow about! :D It's more likely he "controlled" his urges too much. Basically not being relaxed and clear about it.
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Basnak and Loyalty. You don't want someone to be with you because they are fucking LOYAL :D You want them to be with you because they like you and want to be with you.
Let me put out a general warning: If you try to control someone, it will backfire and they will only try to get away even more.
I've been with sluts and I've been with classy women.
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I think it's more pathetic that you guys are making this into a huge discussion. You weren't there, she probably had STDs and no condom in sight, Panos most likely dodged a bullet.Panagiotis*
GIVE THEM RUN 36 votes (41.4%)Panos_the_TurkFucker
Damn, we know you well :D
Honestly mate, you did what you thought was right. dont bash yourself for that.
And "Lover of a turk" wouldn't fit you ;)
Is anyone here successful with grills?Angantyr. He's been with different women continously since he was 31, and now he's 31 He's been with more women than any of us have ever seen. But at the same time, he doesn't chase his animal instincts like us immature boys. He's a true man.
Is anyone here successful with grills?
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Angantyr. He's been with different women continously since he was 31, and now he's 31 He's been with more women than any of us have ever seen. But at the same time, he doesn't chase his animal instincts like us immature boys. He's a true man.Seems to have escaped you that my comment was prompted by and conspicuously written in the spirit of Renay's response. Clearly I have no idea what Renay have done or will or will not do as I have no idea who he is.
A gentleman.
A scholar.
A scientist.
Ninja clan know their pussy:http://www.maxim.com/maxim-man/you-can-now-buy-robotic-twerking-butt-because-future-here-and-it(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)