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Title: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 13, 2014, 10:18:00 pm
Recently I've been communicating via Twitter with self-identified members of the Islamic State, formerly ISIS, more formerly a lot of things including Al-Qaeda. There's a lot about them in the news lately, so if you're not familiar, you could be with a quick search. During this whole Gaza thing, and now Iraq, I've been looking up those terms (Gaza/Iraq) on Twitter and finding out what I could about the situations there, and eventually that included coming into contact with these individuals, who I was very interested to hear speak for themselves about themselves, rather than the propaganda we are subjected to in "the West".

The following are the interactions I've had with them over the past few days. Names and dates redacted to protect, well, myself. I'm sure it wouldn't be impossible to figure out based on context clues (or my having missed something here or there) if you're crazy and obsessed enough to need to know, but whatever.

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Red redactions = Me

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Treading on some thin ice near the end there. Maybe a Fatwah will get me before my own government does. But either way, it's been a fascinating few days for me so far, getting to hear from the proverbial horse's mouth just what they think they're up to and why and all that. And what I've learned is what I've known all along; Everyone is full of shit, and we're all fucked.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Falka on August 13, 2014, 10:29:04 pm
That's how you're supposed to talk with muslims:
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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 13, 2014, 10:36:32 pm
Typical muslim inbred "We kill each other for the last 2000 years for power and religion matters , but the West is to blame for all our misery and suffering"

Ungrateful pricks.


But I don`t blame them, I blame all the fucking hippies and commie pricks that support them, it makes me laugh so hard when I see european women protesting for the muslims in Europe, little do they know that if the muslims had the chance, they would enslave them  :lol:


Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Christo on August 13, 2014, 10:45:23 pm
I admire your curiosity, but that was a complete waste of time.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 13, 2014, 10:49:48 pm
The most hilarious thing to me is when they pretend they are "oppressed" by westerners in the countries they immigrate to. They really seem to think they have a god-given right to spread their goat-fucking medieval ideology to the entire planet. They don't seem to understand the only reason they are being allowed to immigrate in the first place is because westerners dismantled their own theocracies in a process that took hundreds of years. That the west is the most tolerant and accepting areas on the entire fucking planet. That they were let in so that they could lead better lives, not reconstruct the fucked up societies they left behind that produce nothing and learn nothing. That they are treated like royalty compared to what any immigrant to their own backwards third world shitholes would experience. Refusing to take any responsability, pretending to be victim martyrs, shifting all blame to the "west" and it's evil jewish zionist masters.

And this is for the so-called "moderates". The extremists, well, how many hundreds of "european" (lol) jihadists have gone to Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria? How many thousands more that sympathize but don't have the balls to? This shit is gonna come to a head sometime soon. And despite how weak and pathetic western response is, the goat-fuckers should have a look at history. They're going to push too far at some point, and have a REAL reason to cry "oppression", and it will be all on them.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Boerenlater on August 13, 2014, 10:57:49 pm
The most hilarious thing to me is when they pretend they are "oppressed" by westerners in the countries they immigrate to. They really seem to think they have a god-given right to spread their goat-fucking medieval ideology to the entire planet. They don't seem to understand the only reason they are being allowed to immigrate in the first place is because westerners dismantled their own theocracies in a process that took hundreds of years. That the west is the most tolerant and accepting areas on the entire fucking planet. That they were let in so that they could lead better lives, not reconstruct the fucked up societies they left behind that produce nothing and learn nothing. That they are treated like royalty compared to what any immigrant to their own backwards third world shitholes would experience. Refusing to take any responsability, pretending to be victim martyrs, shifting all blame to the "west" and it's evil jewish zionist masters.

And this is for the so-called "moderates". The extremists, well, how many hundreds of "european" (lol) jihadists have gone to Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria? How many thousands more that sympathize but don't have the balls to? This shit is gonna come to a head sometime soon. And despite how weak and pathetic western response is, the goat-fuckers should have a look at history. They're going to push too far at some point, and have a REAL reason to cry "oppression", and it will be all on them.
Careful there before you're branded as a right winged racist ;)
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 13, 2014, 10:58:24 pm
And this is for the so-called "moderates". The extremists, well, how many hundreds of "european" (lol) jihadists have gone to Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria? How many thousands more that sympathize but don't have the balls to? This shit is gonna come to a head sometime soon. And despite how weak and pathetic western response is, the goat-fuckers should have a look at history. They're going to push too far at some point, and have a REAL reason to cry "oppression", and it will be all on them.



Ok, this may sound harsh, but from time to time I dream of a modern Crusade  :lol:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Christo on August 13, 2014, 11:01:16 pm
Snackbars for everyone!
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 13, 2014, 11:04:30 pm
But I don`t blame them, I blame all the fucking hippies and commie pricks that support them, it makes me laugh so hard when I see european women protesting for the muslims in Europe, little do they know that if the muslims had the chance, they would enslave them  :lol:

The post-modernist cultural marxists do bear a lot of the blame. These hypocritical fuckers are the first to talk shit about oppresive KKKhristians and their awful conservative mores, but try to bring up how much more backwards and fucked up the average muslim mores are and they cry racism and "islamophobia".

Deconstruct and talk shit about western nations, saying they're "fake", that there is no such thing as a "french" culture or identity, doing everything they can to obliterate any sense of belonging or community, but the immigrants? Those "noble savages" have their own culture and identity, you can't expect them to integrate you fascist! They are beautiful and unique cultures, we can't taint them with our disgusting capitalist, colonialist, imperialist false consciousness!

And of course they completely fail to realize their very existence is dependent on western culture. Strangely enough, these traitorous parasitical bundle of stickss exist only in the west, the only places on the planet where this sort of criticism is acceptable and the consequences for it non-existant. All those ivory tower academics wouldn't last a week in all the "noble savage" cultures they defend endlessly, where the slightest hint of deviance is punished harshly. It's as if red blood cells aquired sentience and started doing everything possible to dismantle and destroy white blood cells, the only thing ensuring their existence. They're a fucking disease and they're killing us, slowly but surely.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Christo on August 13, 2014, 11:07:16 pm
It's as if red blood cells aquired sentience and started doing everything possible to dismantle and destroy white blood cells

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Busted.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 13, 2014, 11:11:35 pm
"but the West is to blame for all our misery and suffering"

Two major contributers to the instability in the Middle east is the West and Soviet. Intervention in the Middle East and long-lasting chaos seem to go hand in hand.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 13, 2014, 11:12:28 pm
Meh, replace it with plasma cell or antibody, white blood cell is just the most well-known term for it.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 13, 2014, 11:14:53 pm
Two major contributers to the instability in the Middle east is the West and Soviet. Intervention in the Middle East and long-lasting chaos seem to go hand in hand.


Thank you for proving my point  :wink:


Muslims innocent, the infidels are guilty, top kek.  :lol:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 13, 2014, 11:18:00 pm

Thank you for proving my point  :wink:


Muslims innocent, the infidels are guilty, top kek.  :lol:

Open any history book and read about the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, countries created with borders drawn with rulers, ending up mixing all sorts of people and religions, CIA and KGB intervention in replacing country leaders to their benefit and the direct invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 13, 2014, 11:20:03 pm
Two major contributers to the instability in the Middle east is the West and Soviet. Intervention in the Middle East and long-lasting chaos seem to go hand in hand.

The West and the Soviets could've never layed a hand on any muslim land and it would be just as fucked as it is today. No, actually I tell a lie, it'd be much, much worse.
Funny how a country like Vietnam, that suffered at the hands of colonials and cold war warriors to a much greater degree than any mid-east country, is today a fully functional country. Funny how Japan and South Korea, completely destroyed by war, are today some of the wealthiest and technologically advanced nations on the planet. You want to know why the mid-east is different? Here's a hint, the aforementioned goat-fucking ideology. It's why the average muslim will shift the blame to the "west" and wild zionist conspiracies endlessly.

Because Islam is love. Islam is life. It couldn't possibly be Islam that's the problem, no. It's those evil foreigners always coming to mess with our shit. I'm sure that's why there's more books written in Spain in one year than there have been in the entire muslim world in decades, why practically no literature at all is translated into arabic, why the only respected universities that publish anything of worth are concentrated almost entirely in Turkey, with one or two in Egypt and a desert everywhere else, why there have been so, so few Nobel laureates proportionally from the region.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 13, 2014, 11:21:29 pm
The West and the Soviets could've never layed a hand on any muslim land and it would be just as fucked as it is today. No, actually I tell a lie, it'd be much, much worse.
Funny how a country like Vietnam, that suffered at the hands of colonials and cold war warriors to a much greater degree than any mid-east country, is today a fully functional country. Funny how Japan and South Korea, completely destroyed by war, are today some of the wealthiest and technologically advanced nations on the planet. You want to know why the mid-east is different? Here's a hint, the aforementioned goat-fucking ideology. It's why the average muslim will shift the blame to the "west" and wild zionist conspiracies endlessly.

Because Islam is love. Islam is life. It couldn't possibly be Islam that's the problem, no. It's those evil foreigners always coming to mess with our shit. I'm sure that's why there's more books written in Spain in one year than there have been in the entire muslim world in decades, why practically no literature at all is translated into arabic, why only the only respected universities that publish anything of worth are concentrated almost entirely in Turkey, with one or two in Egypt and a desert everywhere else, why there have been so, so few Nobel laureates proportionally from the region.

Iraq was run by a secular government. Terrorists didn't remove Saddam and the Baathist party. The West did. Then came the terrorists.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 13, 2014, 11:31:04 pm
Yeah, they were totally secular, that's why the sunni arabs lorded it over the vast shia underclass and the kurds, who were AT BEST second class citizens. How many pogroms and ethnic cleansings? How many dead from wars? The entire government was tribal down to it's fucking roots. Government positions and power was distributed according to family bloodlines and tribal alliances.
But I'll give you that the baathists, despite their failings in practice, were much better in every way to the current crop of insane fanatics. Even moreso on paper, but it was achieved as much as theoretical communism was achieved in the USSR.

So do you think this was the desired outcome? Yeah, that's why the US spent thousands of lives and billions of dollars trying to make Iraq a functional state I'm sure, cause they wanted it to fall into chaos. Iraqis started slaughtering each other the minute the iron fist of Saddam was removed. Could it, MAYBE, be explained by religion? No, of course not, the militias ethnically cleansing each other from neighborhoods because that other tribal group thinks that the wrong person became Caliph hundreds of years ago, they couldn't possibly be at fault. The fucking salafists and wahhabists preaching their poisonous bullshit from the Gulf countries and beyond, urging all faithfull to jihad, they're completely irrelevant. The "charitable" muslim organizations, fronts for recruitment and funding all over the muslim, and increasingly western, world, who cares? It's all the fault of those westerners and the evil jews again. Isn't it always.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 13, 2014, 11:52:04 pm
Haha, gotta love the "omg it's the West's fault that the middle east is fucked up." Funny how nobody else uses that lame fucking excuse, despite there being tons of war in other places as well. Wonder why? Oh yeah, that's because there's no Islam in those other countries, so they're not completely fucked up.

What I find most hilarious is that some westerners are even buying into that bullshit. No matter what the muslims do, be it fighting between themselves or fighting against the west, it's always the west's fault, of course.

If the ME had their shit together and weren't just uneducated, barbaric goat-fuckers nobody COULD fuck with them. There are even plenty of countries in the ME that have been perfectly safe from the big bad West for a long time because they're not COMPLETELY bat-fucking-insane.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Swaggart on August 13, 2014, 11:55:26 pm
Open any history book and read about the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, countries created with borders drawn with rulers, ending up mixing all sorts of people and religions, CIA and KGB intervention in replacing country leaders to their benefit and the direct invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Fuck the Ottoman Empire.

Also, what is the problem with mixing people's and religions? Seems to me like it's just reinforcing Oberyn's point that the Middle East is a backward, tribalist and intolerant place. Although to be fair, any place where religion has significant sway is going to become fucked up.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:00:47 am
I wouldn't mind seeing most of your heads on pikes.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 12:03:40 am
Yeah, but you also seem to think you can have a productive discussion with a self-avowed islamic extremist. I'm sure this is all new and exciting to you, but it's old news over here. Good luck with your "dialogue" though, it will definetely bear fruit if you only try hard enough.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:05:21 am
I wouldn't mind seeing most of your heads on pikes.
That's nice, it's too bad you already gave away you're retarded with those screenshots of your Twitter conversations. It's hard to decide who's more retarded, you or the people you were talking to. And I don't say that just because you were talking to them, but because the things you said were fucking dumb. But hey, dumb people say dumb things, figures.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:09:05 am
And your women sold into slavery.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 12:09:52 am
Yeah, they were totally secular, that's why the sunni arabs lorded it over the vast shia underclass and the kurds, who were AT BEST second class citizens. How many pogroms and ethnic cleansings? How many dead from wars? The entire government was tribal down to it's fucking roots. Government positions and power was distributed according to family bloodlines and tribal alliances.
But I'll give you that the baathists, despite their failings in practice, were much better in every way to the current crop of insane fanatics. Even moreso on paper, but it was achieved as much as theoretical communism was achieved in the USSR.

So do you think this was the desired outcome? Yeah, that's why the US spent thousands of lives and billions of dollars trying to make Iraq a functional state I'm sure, cause they wanted it to fall into chaos. Iraqis started slaughtering each other the minute the iron fist of Saddam was removed. Could it, MAYBE, be explained by religion? No, of course not, the militias ethnically cleansing each other from neighborhoods because that other tribal group thinks that the wrong person became Caliph hundreds of years ago, they couldn't possibly be at fault. The fucking salafists and wahhabists preaching their poisonous bullshit from the Gulf countries and beyond, urging all faithfull to jihad, they're completely irrelevant. The "charitable" muslim organizations, fronts for recruitment and funding all over the muslim, and increasingly western, world, they're not at fault. It's all the fault of those westerners and the evil jews again. Isn't it always.

I'm not trying to defend Baathism or anything. But Baathism wasn't a religious faction, atleast compared to ISIS or other factions trying to impose Sharia law. The attrocities done to the Kurds wasn't inspired by religion, considering both Saddam and most Kurds are Sunni. Wasn't it the US that promoted the kurds to form resistance during the Kuwait invasion which ended up with not removing Saddam, which left the Kurds alone to get massacred by the Iraqi army? And didn't the Shia insurgency fight the Americans too?


Now I can't be bothered reading into the entire Iraq wars just to prove the West role in the destabilization. My point is simply that even though these regions are fucked up, sending military in to depose leaders will only make things worse. I don't believe the US genuinely tried repair the country after the war. Many poor decisions were made like disbanding the police force and the army. Just like with Afghanistan, where money is being thrown to the government to build top notch power plants that aren't even used and they keep importing electricity from Uzbekistan, buying broken helicopters when they dont even have trained pilots.

*Edit* I never said the ONLY reason for the instability is the West, I said its a main contributor.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:11:54 am
And your women sold into slavery.
Also, why the fuck do you even bother with those retarded "redactions"?

I mean, you DO realize that your whole Twitter conversation can be found just by typing the very first thing you replied to into a search engine? Nice beard, bro, you look just like I thought you would.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:14:24 am
Somehow I'm not surprised you were the one stalkery enough to care to find out. Bro.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:15:40 am
Somehow I'm not surprised you were the one stalkery enough to care to find out. Bro.
Somehow I'm not surprised you're retarded enough to not realize Twitter isn't private and it takes two seconds to find out your identity and the identities of those dear Muslims.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:17:27 am
Yeah, that's why I mentioned it in my initial post. You're so smart, I wish you were my best friend. I could learn so much from you. Learning under your feet. Learning all the smarts you have to offer. What a cool dude. Man, if only.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:19:39 am
Yeah, that's why I mentioned it in my initial post. You're so smart, I wish you were my best friend. I could learn so much from you. Learning under your feet. Learning all the smarts you have to offer. What a cool dude. Man, if only.
Then why the fuck would you make the conversations look retarded and harder to follow and require a fucking legend to be readable with your autistic redactions when they achieve literally nothing? Oh, right, I forgot - you're autistic.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Christo on August 14, 2014, 12:20:37 am
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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:20:56 am
Right in the gut. I'm devastated. I'm gonna Robin Williams myself.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:21:45 am
Right in the gut. I'm devastated. I'm gonna Robin Williams myself.
I would too, if I looked like you.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:23:02 am
I wish I was your child. Being raised by such a good man. I would be a world leader. A positive influence on all.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 12:24:23 am
Fuck the Ottoman Empire.

Also, what is the problem with mixing people's and religions? Seems to me like it's just reinforcing Oberyn's point that the Middle East is a backward, tribalist and intolerant place. Although to be fair, any place where religion has significant sway is going to become fucked up.

I never said that the Middle East is not intolerant or backwards. It's quite a horrible place. What I wanted to say is that mixing up people that are backwards, nationalistic and secterian is not a good idea, just like how in American prisons different gangs and races are seperated. I mean Ireland was violent and sectarian and that's not the Middle east.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 12:24:36 am
I'm not trying to defend Baathism or anything. But Baathism wasn't a religious faction, atleast compared to ISIS or other factions trying to impose Sharia law. The attrocities done to the Kurds wasn't inspired by religion, considering both Saddam and most Kurds are Sunni. Wasn't it the US that promoted the kurds to form resistance during the Kuwait invasion which ended up with not removing Saddam, which left the Kurds alone to get massacred by the Iraqi army? And didn't the Shia insurgency fight the Americans too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

Now I can't be bothered reading into the entire Iraq wars just to prove the West role in the destabilization. My point is simply that even though these regions are fucked up, sending military in to depose leaders will only make things worse. I don't believe the US genuinely tried repair the country after the war. Many poor decisions were made like disbanding the police force and the army. Just like with Afghanistan, where money is being thrown to the government to build top notch power plants that aren't even used and they keep importing electricity from Uzbekistan, buying broken helicopters when they dont even have trained pilots.

*Edit* I never said the ONLY reason for the instability is the West, I said its a main contributor.

Oh I completely agree that the neocon ideologues who were put in charge of Iraq following the invasion were incompetent and completely ignorant of the true nature of Iraqis, or rather the different ethnic groups in Iraq, and that debaathification was one of the most retarded things they could have done. The point is, the terrorists didn't "appear", they were there all along. The only thing keeping them from coming to a boil was the control Saddam had over them through fear and violence.
Not sure how that removes the onus of responsability from them. Are they children? Are the dogs? Do even other muslims expect these places to fall into complete chaos unless a violent tyrant oppresses them constantly? That's definetely the impression I get when I see them blame the "west" for ISIS. As if these places are inherently power kegs, and the people living in them are just leaves blown in the wind, with no agency or responsability.
And that's ignoring the flood of wahhabist and salafist bullshit gleefully stoking these fires, coming mostly from other muslim countries, ironically mostly the "rich" ones that have been at peace for the longest.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 14, 2014, 12:25:41 am
The post-modernist cultural marxists do bear a lot of the blame. These hypocritical fuckers are the first to talk shit about oppresive KKKhristians and their awful conservative mores, but try to bring up how much more backwards and fucked up the average muslim mores are and they cry racism and "islamophobia".

Deconstruct and talk shit about western nations, saying they're "fake", that there is no such thing as a "french" culture or identity, doing everything they can to obliterate any sense of belonging or community, but the immigrants? Those "noble savages" have their own culture and identity, you can't expect them to integrate you fascist! They are beautiful and unique cultures, we can't taint them with our disgusting capitalist, colonialist, imperialist false consciousness!

And of course they completely fail to realize their very existence is dependent on western culture. Strangely enough, these traitorous parasitical bundle of stickss exist only in the west, the only places on the planet where this sort of criticism is acceptable and the consequences for it non-existant. All those ivory tower academics wouldn't last a week in all the "noble savage" cultures they defend endlessly, where the slightest hint of deviance is punished harshly. It's as if red blood cells aquired sentience and started doing everything possible to dismantle and destroy white blood cells, the only thing ensuring their existence. They're a fucking disease and they're killing us, slowly but surely.

Aren't you projecting a little bit? I'm sure there are many white guilt people such as you describe and they are stupid (and I challenge you to find true academics with that position). However there is a difference between them and those that believe the state should be truly neutral. France, for example, is actually doing a pretty good job with that, resisting to the "confessional exceptions" that is rampant in anglo-saxon countries.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:26:30 am
I never said that the Middle East is not intolerant or backwards. It's quite a horrible place. What I wanted to say is that mixing up people that are backwards, nationalistic and secterian is not a good idea, just like how in American prisons different gangs and races are seperated. I mean Ireland was violent and sectarian and that's not the Middle east.
Ireland was violent, but in a very different way and for very different reasons. And nobody blamed "the West" for it.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:28:17 am
I wonder how a lot of you would react if your houses and families and everyone you knew were bombed for years, and you weren't "extremists" or anything else, just living your lives. Probably just whip and curse yourselves for being the wrong religion, huh?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 12:28:56 am
Have a look sometime, the huge majority of the post-modernist cultural marxist philosophy was spawned in France, by french philosophers and social "scientists". It may not have taken hold as fervently as in other academic institutions, but it informed and continues to inform a lot of the deliberate social engineering and immigration policy.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:29:28 am
I wonder how a lot of you would react if your houses and families and everyone you knew were bombed for years, and you weren't "extremists" or anything else, just living your lives. Probably just whip and curse yourselves for being the wrong religion, huh?
Oh, I know.... I'd gather up all my buddies and go kill some of my own people because their interpretation of my religion was slightly different from mine. That'll show those bombers!!!!!!!!!

After that I'd fuck some farm animals, because that's the ultimate insult to the Western pigs.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 12:31:48 am
Ireland was violent, but in a very different way and for very different reasons. And nobody blamed "the West" for it.

If Ireland was in any way similar to any of the conflicts in the muslim world, you would've had catholics and protestants the world over coming to fight. It was always more of an ethnic conflict than a strictly religious one. Really the only outside help came from americans with irish ancestry. Weird, the pope didn't call for a crusade or anything, and no protestant priests calling for the eradication of the disgusting papists. Could be because Europe left wars of religion behind hundreds of years ago.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 14, 2014, 12:36:11 am
Ireland was violent, but in a very different way and for very different reasons. And nobody blamed "the West" for it.

Ultimately, the English crown had a lot of responsibility for the north Ireland situation. Certainly not all of it though.

I wonder how a lot of you would react if your houses and families and everyone you knew were bombed for years, and you weren't "extremists" or anything else, just living your lives. Probably just whip and curse yourselves for being the wrong religion, huh?

I'd go away and find some decent place to live. Religion, ground and other people in general are not worth my life.

Have a look sometime, the huge majority of the post-modernist cultural marxist philosophy was spawned in France, by french philosophers and social "scientists". It may not have taken hold as fervently as in other academic institutions, but it informed and continues to inform a lot of the deliberate social engineering and immigration policy.

I don't know about that. What I know is that France was home of the French Revolution and today has very strictly secular laws.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:38:09 am
Ultimately, the English crown had a lot of responsibility for the north Ireland situation. Certainly not all of it though.
Uh, well, sure - England is Ireland's neighbor and was directly influencing Ireland. That's very different from claiming countries from half the world over are the reason Ireland was fucked up.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 12:38:39 am
I think you guys should read my post again. I didn't say Ireland is like the Middle east. I was responding to Swaggart's point with why it's bad to mix more than one type of backwards  people, anywhere in the world.

I never said that the Middle East is not intolerant or backwards. It's quite a horrible place. What I wanted to say is that mixing up people that are backwards, nationalistic and secterian is not a good idea, just like how in American prisons different gangs and races are seperated. I mean Ireland was violent and sectarian and that's not the Middle east.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:39:59 am
lol dude, you're trying to get these people to be reasonable and rational? Look at what you're dealing with here. Lower thems expectations.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Teeth on August 14, 2014, 12:42:28 am
Quite a crap read, pretty hard to follow and your questioning didn't exactly accomodate to the backgrounds of the people you are speaking with and therefore immediately hit a cultural wall most of the time. Quite surprised honestly that these guys found it in any way worthwhile to talk to you after a few questions.

I mean, you DO realize that your whole Twitter conversation can be found just by typing the very first thing you replied to into a search engine? Nice beard, bro, you look just like I thought you would.
Your search engine appears to be better than mine.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 12:44:25 am
lol dude, you're trying to get these people to be reasonable and rational? Look at what you're dealing with here. Lower thems expectations.

I get the feeling people want to take out all their hate on Islamic radicalism, which is fine and good in my opinion. But they interpret any counterargument to that the West has no responsibility in empowering radicalization in the Middle East as defending either Islam or radicalism.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:44:37 am
Also, what exactly is a backwards person? Or perhaps more importantly, what's a forwards person? Is it a fat fuck sitting in front of the tv being sold bullshit all night after being a slave in a box all day? Is it someone who decides what people being murdered by robots in the sky should and shouldn't be doing and feeling?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 12:45:16 am
I wonder how a lot of you would react if your houses and families and everyone you knew were bombed for years, and you weren't "extremists" or anything else, just living your lives. Probably just whip and curse yourselves for being the wrong religion, huh?

So the hundreds and hundreds of jihadists coming from Europe to fight in these wars, their families were bombed for years? How do you justify their stance? All the muslims crying about the plight of the palestinians, do you think maybe the religion of the palestinians is the only fucking thing they care about? You can bet your ass if it was Yazidis you wouldn't hear a peep out of them. Tens of thousands killed and displaced in Iraq, I can't wait for the violent muslims protests vandalizing shit because they're outraged, outraged I tell you, at the injustice.  :lol:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 12:46:50 am
Well maybe you should step out of your safe first-world bubble and experience it firsthand, you ignorant cunt. You'll find out very quickly what "backwards" is. Let me guess, never stepped foot outside the US? What a surprise.
Nice bit about the soulless consumerist capitalist culture there. Tell me, what worthless humanities degree are you pursuing?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:50:17 am
Now that sounds like a forward thinking, first-world mastermind! If only we could all be so wise.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:55:48 am
Quite a crap read, pretty hard to follow and your questioning didn't exactly accomodate to the backgrounds of the people you are speaking with and therefore immediately hit a cultural wall most of the time. Quite surprised honestly that these guys found it in any way worthwhile to talk to you after a few questions.
Your search engine appears to be better than mine.

https://twitter.com/search-home

This one. Have some bleach nearby to wash your eyes with, though, Dooz is not a sight for sore eyes.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 12:56:02 am
You've adressed literally none of my points or arguements, but I forgive that, you're obviously too fucking ignorant to know what I'm even talking about. Had one conversation with a nutter on twitter and suddenly you're a fucking expert, hilarious. Keep shedding those crocodile tears for the poor opressed murderers crucifying and decapitating their own people, you self-flagellating retard. You can get together with the other middle-class college white guilt idiots and talk about how tolerant and progressive you are, it will totally change the world.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Clockworkkiller on August 14, 2014, 12:56:12 am
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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 12:58:31 am
You've adressed literally none of my points or arguements, but I forgive that, you're obviously too fucking ignorant to know what I'm even talking about. Had one conversation with a nutter on twitter and suddenly you're a fucking expert, hilarious. Keep shedding those crocodile tears for the poor opressed murderers crucifying and decapitating their own people, you self-flagellating retard. You can get together with the other middle-class college white guilt idiots and talk about how tolerant and progressive you are, it will totally change the world.
Go through his post history, dude. There isn't a single argument in there anywhere, it's all just nonsense rambling that he uses as a defense mechanism.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 12:58:52 am
I'm a real shit for not feeling like I have to justify myself and answer to a random internet dunce all right. Man, I really need to be more subservient to the whims of strangers. Character flaw.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 01:00:24 am
In the moments before I die, whenever and however that may be, surely my last thoughts will be "man, I wish I argued more on the internet".
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 01:01:14 am
I'm a real shit for not feeling like I have to justify myself and answer to a random internet dunce all right. Man, I really need to be more subservient to the whims of strangers. Character flaw.
Case in point. He's not capable of putting together a logical argument. He shouts out something retarded, like "omg how wud u feel if ur haws was bombed" and then disregards any replies, only spamming shit like this. Like I said, a defense mechanism.

In the moments before I die, whenever and however that may be, surely my last thoughts will be "man, I wish I argued more on the internet".
I wonder if you're even capable of comprehending the irony, considering the OP...
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Butan on August 14, 2014, 02:32:50 am
This thread shows that its easier to blame than understand  :wink:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Prinz_Karl on August 14, 2014, 02:57:47 am
The answers of the IS guy seem pretty unreliable and idealized. After seeing several images and videos of brutal executions, of women and children being besieged by IS while starving and dehydrating to death, which provide my a much more realistic view on what the IS ideology is about, which is to exterminate all people opposing their belief (had to laugh when he said "they are protecting monorities"), I see no more than empty words and lies that are coming from this guy. Only people whose mind is stuck in Middle Ages would follow this ideology.

@Dooz, if you want to be taken seriously you will have to make arguments, if you don't/can't do it you will have to accept that your points are totaly retarded.

inb4 reply like: "Omg I care so much about a guy in internet saying I'm retarded."

Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 06:45:53 am
wow dooz, you look like a motherfucking hippie, son.   :lol:






Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 06:58:09 am
He looks like a.......... douche. Get it?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 07:01:35 am
he looks like a hippie/hipster
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 08:22:31 am
@Dooz, if you want to be taken seriously you will have to make arguments, if you don't/can't do it you will have to accept that your points are totaly retarded.

inb4 reply like: "Omg I care so much about a guy in internet saying I'm retarded."

Not sure what "points" you think I'm trying to make, considering all I've done here is troll and ask questions. Not interested in being taken seriously, especially by this gem of a community, which I don't deem worthy of any logical arguments considering their consistently demonstrated incapability of thinking logically.

Clearly they're more interested in what I look like, which is what you would expect from backwards monkeymen and their primitive impulses. But shhh, they think they're the advanced peoples of the world, beyond the constraints of human nature. lolz
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 08:30:17 am
Not interested in being taken seriously, especially by this gem of a community, which I don't deem worthy of any logical arguments considering their consistently demonstrated incapability of thinking logically.

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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 14, 2014, 09:10:52 am
Years ago I already talked to my dad about the subject and back then I already stated; if the Muslim society had the chance, they'd wipe out the west and opress its people. They would not be as tolerant as we are, wait what? They would be co pletely intolerant of us. I am co pletely sure that if theyd had the chance the muslims would put us inti slavery, and im not even joking here.

A unified eastern world is what scares me shitless, plus the fact that they are everywhere in our western society. Imo we should carpet bomb the entire muslim religion and wipe that entire barbaric culture of primitive savages of the face of the earth. IF they come to power I am a hundred percent sure there will be NO place for other cultures, and what will they do? They will fucking BEHEAD US. They would if they could, im sure of it. It is only a matter of time before our tolerance will backfire on us, of this I am sure aswell.

Back then my dad didnt exactly agree, to speak lightly, but he has long since changed his mind, thus confirming for me that i'm not just some extremist thinker, but that Islam is infact one big scary fucking black pit that will only cause the human race to degenerate.

I just hate them, their unadaptability, their make-your-own-rules-allthough-the-entire-country-where-you-live-in-doesn't-do-that. But what I hate most is their complete lack of tolerance for people whom's idea's might only slightly differ from theirs.

I told me dad that eventually their extremism is gonna cross a line, and that the west will be forced to wipe this abomination off the earth. This, or it will be too late and the west will perish.I can even see the fucking pigs use atomic bombs on the west and call it Allahs Scimitar or something, and the fucking madness is that they would all believe it and vouch for it.

I am not a racist or anti religion in nature whatsoever, but the Islam just SCARES me.

PS: what scares me even more is. Jihadist returning to my country after having being indoctrinated in syria, now that shit pisses me off, i dont see how the netherlands can ever let this fucking scumbag-shellshocked-brainwashed-terrorists back in. Madness.

Pss: i see thread has already progressed to drama phase, didnt notice yet sry!
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Molly on August 14, 2014, 10:29:38 am
Not sure what "points" you think I'm trying to make, considering all I've done here is troll and ask questions. Not interested in being taken seriously, especially by this gem of a community, which I don't deem worthy of any logical arguments considering their consistently demonstrated incapability of thinking logically.

Clearly they're more interested in what I look like, which is what you would expect from backwards monkeymen and their primitive impulses. But shhh, they think they're the advanced peoples of the world, beyond the constraints of human nature. lolz
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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Gnjus on August 14, 2014, 10:36:06 am

There was a time when I thought I curse & swear too much in some of my posts but you, noble prince Bloberyn, have outdone me by far.  :twisted:


Not sure what "points" you think I'm trying to make, considering all I've done here is troll and ask questions. Not interested in being taken seriously, especially by this gem of a community, which I don't deem worthy of any logical arguments considering their consistently demonstrated incapability of thinking logically.

Clearly they're more interested in what I look like, which is what you would expect from backwards monkeymen and their primitive impulses. But shhh, they think they're the advanced peoples of the world, beyond the constraints of human nature. lolz

I'm terribly sorry that I have to be the one to tell you but.........now you sound like Xant.




Btw guys - how do you feel when you see Khaled Sharrouf's son posing with those heads of Syrian fighters and those photos of a decorated fence ?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 10:36:12 am
A unified eastern world is what scares me shitless
Don't worry yourself for no reason. Lots of guys who've worked with them firsthand aren't exactly worried about it. Those guys aren't exactly rocket scientists. The second they make any kind of an organized, overt move and give the West a reason for war? They're done.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Christo on August 14, 2014, 10:38:38 am
Doubt they could really unite, first one faction would have to eradicate the other(s) for that to happen.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Molly on August 14, 2014, 11:24:24 am
Doubt they could really unite, first one faction would have to eradicate the other(s) for that to happen.
Weirdly enough this really seems to be the only option considering all those "animosities" between their "tribes".
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 12:07:48 pm
Years ago I already talked to my dad about the subject and back then I already stated; if the Muslim society had the chance, they'd wipe out the west and opress its people. They would not be as tolerant as we are, wait what? They would be co pletely intolerant of us. I am co pletely sure that if theyd had the chance the muslims would put us inti slavery, and im not even joking here.

A unified eastern world is what scares me shitless, plus the fact that they are everywhere in our western society. Imo we should carpet bomb the entire muslim religion and wipe that entire barbaric culture of primitive savages of the face of the earth. IF they come to power I am a hundred percent sure there will be NO place for other cultures, and what will they do? They will fucking BEHEAD US. They would if they could, im sure of it. It is only a matter of time before our tolerance will backfire on us, of this I am sure aswell.

Back then my dad didnt exactly agree, to speak lightly, but he has long since changed his mind, thus confirming for me that i'm not just some extremist thinker, but that Islam is infact one big scary fucking black pit that will only cause the human race to degenerate.

I just hate them, their unadaptability, their make-your-own-rules-allthough-the-entire-country-where-you-live-in-doesn't-do-that. But what I hate most is their complete lack of tolerance for people whom's idea's might only slightly differ from theirs.

I told me dad that eventually their extremism is gonna cross a line, and that the west will be forced to wipe this abomination off the earth. This, or it will be too late and the west will perish.I can even see the fucking pigs use atomic bombs on the west and call it Allahs Scimitar or something, and the fucking madness is that they would all believe it and vouch for it.

I am not a racist or anti religion in nature whatsoever, but the Islam just SCARES me.

PS: what scares me even more is. Jihadist returning to my country after having being indoctrinated in syria, now that shit pisses me off, i dont see how the netherlands can ever let this fucking scumbag-shellshocked-brainwashed-terrorists back in. Madness.

Pss: i see thread has already progressed to drama phase, didnt notice yet sry!

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There's other and better ways to deal with it. Don't need to go all H1tler and Stalin.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 01:15:46 pm
Don't worry yourself for no reason. Lots of guys who've worked with them firsthand aren't exactly worried about it. Those guys aren't exactly rocket scientists. The second they make any kind of an organized, overt move and give the West a reason for war? They're done.

Yup. No one in the Middle East is a serious threat to us in the near term, because they can't get their shit together.

We aren't dealing with a bunch of chocolate chip cookies flying messershmitts. We are dealing with 13th century barbarians who traded their spears and arrows for aks and their camels for toyota pickup trucks. They are so backwards we wouldn't consider exterminating them because it would be like wiping out a group of children.

Nothing can be done. The peaceful and industrious ones are welcome here in the west, where they offer something to our society. The rest can continue their little religious knife fight as long as they want, no one else really will care.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Umbra on August 14, 2014, 01:36:51 pm
Hello guys, I fixed the middle east (http://i.imgur.com/axWTOJ1.png)
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 01:51:42 pm
Wow some of you guys are more fucked in the head than I first thought.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Prinz_Karl on August 14, 2014, 02:09:12 pm
Not sure what "points" you think I'm trying to make, considering all I've done here is troll and ask questions.

So you fuck up your arguments and then call it trolling lol, you're digging the hole only deeper.

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You're definitely not going to advance the problem like that. Which is even worse you put the islamic extremists and turks, kurds who are helping the Yezidis in the same category, there's also a bunch of very peaceful and tolerant muslems living in Europe. Yes, there's no religion where the radicalism is as spread as in Islam, but please differ between radical muslims and peaceful muslims.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Boerenlater on August 14, 2014, 03:07:43 pm
Wow some of you guys are more fucked in the head than I first thought.
We're not the ones raping and pillaging in the name of a pedophile and a moongod.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 03:50:08 pm
I am scared by the possibility that some of the posters in this thread are considered intellectuals.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 03:52:35 pm
I would be too, if it wasn't for the fact that I'm a real man and thus not afraid of anything.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 03:53:42 pm
I'm honestly not sure whether this is sarcasm or an actual assertion of your masculinity and superiority.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 03:58:00 pm
I'm honestly not sure whether this is sarcasm or an actual assertion of your masculinity and superiority.
Which is why no one will ever consider you an intellectual.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 04:00:09 pm
I thought you were above that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Chosen1 on August 14, 2014, 04:01:51 pm
guys quit being racist, islam is the religion of peace.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 04:04:03 pm
I thought you were above that kind of stuff.
I was, now I'm not, but I will be in a minute or so again.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Christo on August 14, 2014, 04:07:35 pm
What the hell am I even reading
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 04:13:29 pm
Maybe as a palate cleanser I might suggest you don't hold every muslim you encounter to the profile of an ISIS supporter.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Ikarus on August 14, 2014, 04:14:46 pm
I´m actually pretty happy about this thread (except for all the swearing and "you´re a retard, no you´re a retard"-blabbering), also makes me understand why so many radical parties are getting more and more votes lately

It´s also a bit frightening how some people here tend to generalize other countries and their people; Irak may have a lot of, let´s say, mind-twisted people, but that´s no reason to bomb the whole land or put ALL the citizens into one shelf:
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thanks Basnak

nevertheless:
"...if you take a woman, she´s your property..."
"...buy/sell women/men..."
"...if you got this/that religion, you´re fine, otherwise you pay us or die..."
"...gods will..."

Scary people out there, especially when they think that slavery is a good thing because they think that they give people "shelter" and feed them... And don´t even think that maaaybe, these people don´t want to be slaves :/

Yeh and fuck those people who have neither a clue about the situation nor live anywhere near the country, but go to protests and yell about things they barely know about  :rolleyes:


Also, this thread seems to be out of fuel; thanks for starting this discussion, Dooz
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 04:24:05 pm
Remember the title of this thread. Not only is Islamic used as an identifier, but Jihadist is also used.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28772646

Some views from UK muslims. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Lamk on August 14, 2014, 04:30:10 pm
We will be a minority in our own countries soon. Mass Immigration is killing Europe and the Occidental world.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 04:33:34 pm
Mass Immigration is strengthening the bond between members of the human species and is a step in the right direction towards maintaining our species' survival.

Edit: I was born a minority in my own country. I don't see that as a problem within itself.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 04:41:01 pm
Mass Immigration is strengthening the bond between members of the human species and is a step in the right direction towards maintaining our species' survival.

Edit: I was born a minority in my own country. I don't see that as a problem within itself.

The mass immigration in Europe has been managed very poorly and too leniently. Crime, racism (from immigrants), fraud is rampant amongst many immigrant communities and some of them wont even identify themselves as citizens of the host country. I was born in Sweden but my parents are not from here, but ignoring the fact that immigration is currently broken is doing nothing but hurting our society. I know many immigrants that also think immigration is broken, and it's pretty bad when even Immigrants get tired of immigrants.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 04:47:53 pm
Immigration is and always will be broken. Immigrant groups almost always stick to their communities if they are first generation. That's been true since pretty much ever and I can't think of much that would change that or integrate communities more. Even in places where stricter immigration controls are used those communities will still band together for obvious reasons.

Regardless, blaming your own problems, or even a countries problems on immigration is childish.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 04:49:49 pm
Mass Immigration is strengthening the bond between members of the human species and is a step in the right direction towards maintaining our species' survival.

Edit: I was born a minority in my own country. I don't see that as a problem within itself.
If by "strengthening the bond between members of the human species" you mean "create ghettos in countries where there were previously none" and "have immigrants be MASSIVELY over-represented in crime statistics" then yeah, sure.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 04:50:21 pm
Maybe as a palate cleanser I might suggest you don't hold every muslim you encounter to the profile of an ISIS supporter.

yeah man you`re right, it`s not like that the Muslims who live in London have made plenty of gettos and with "militia" patrols they bully the Brits to follow THEIR rule.


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DUUUUUUUH, its not like that when they move into a different society, they try to be part of it, instead of keeping their goat fucking manners followed by their goat fucking customs




Yes my lad you`re truly right, the muslims are a blessing for Europe, and they also feel blessed and happy when they move to Europe, they are so happy that instead of thanking the country that feeds them, they burn it





You know what pisses me the most my friend?

Ungratefulness.

 These goat fuckers are give the opportunity to live and work in the best countries of the world, yet they do nothing all day long living of wealthfare and crime. And its not like this only its Sweden, its in every country goat fuckers move in to, either that is Greece, UK, France etc etc.


Remember the title of this thread. Not only is Islamic used as an identifier, but Jihadist is also used.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28772646

Some views from UK muslims. Very interesting.


I bet there are thousands of Muslims in Europe who support the ISIS, but for various reason they dont want to go and fight, but that doesnt change the fact that if they had the power, they would enlsave all of Europe.



We will be a minority in our own countries soon. Mass Immigration is killing Europe and the Occidental world.


Mass immigration of aliens is the cancer of everything, it lowers the wages, it increases the crime rates and it makes the natives to feel like strangers in their own country.

Here in Greece, 40.000 Greek kids cant have a spot in a public child care center, because most of the spots are occupied from foreign kids, so the Greeks pay taxes, but they cant enjoy the benefits because of the aliens.

Same applies to hospitals of course.


Mass Immigration is strengthening the bond between members of the human species and is a step in the right direction towards maintaining our species' survival.


Sure, if the immigrants were logical people and not some goat fuckers who try to form the society as they please.

Here in Greece we have a lot of Chinese, Russians, Ukranians, Bulgarians, Romanians and Indians , yet the ones who keep causing problems are the muslims (Albanians, Pakistanis, Algerians, Africans) .


Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 04:53:52 pm
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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Chosen1 on August 14, 2014, 04:59:37 pm
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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 05:00:15 pm
I want to point out that no one is born a racist and a xenophobe, actions of the foreigners make the natives racist, not the opposite one. Never forget this.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 05:02:56 pm
O yeah cause actions of slaves totally made their masters racist.

Or just trying to find someone to blame for your own fucked up problems rather than taking responsibility yourself. At least that tends to be the case in the UK with those who whine and moan about immigration.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 05:06:17 pm
O yeah cause actions of slaves totally made their masters racist.

Or just trying to find someone to blame for your own fucked up problems rather than taking responsibility yourself. At least that tends to be the case in the UK with those who whine and moan about immigration.


slavery stopped existing some hundred years ago.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 05:07:39 pm
Point about racism still stands though. Your argument is pure nonsense.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Clockworkkiller on August 14, 2014, 05:07:50 pm
This fucking thread  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 05:13:35 pm
Panos I live in Tower Hamlets. For those of you who are familiar with London you may realise why this is relevant. I'm not going to tell you that your videos are irrelevant, but I will tell you I have never had a problem with militia patrols here (of course I cannot claim to represent everyone everywhere etc). I interact with many muslims on a day-to-day basis on the same terms I interact with many other demographics and I am not being coerced into abiding by Sharia Law.

I'm not going to try to persuade you on anything, just consider that when you take the shortcut of criticising muslims, and not being specific about what separates the people doing the things you all talk about from the people who don't, which is not an insignificant amount.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 05:20:27 pm
Well I'm a white British male muslim, my wife is muslim and the Brighton community of Muslims is top notch. Difficult to compare with tower hamlets but I've never seen any issues with the community here and there are tons of awesome muslim run restaurants and the Taj grocer is fantastic to the point where people will use it over the main super markets.

Just because some communities have small examples of extremism is an idiotic pretence to blanketing an entire religion.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Lamk on August 14, 2014, 05:22:46 pm
Tomas, you said you were a minority in your own country. Did you mean to say you were not white or not british? I went on Wiki, London is 59% White...
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 05:24:35 pm
I want to point out that no one is born a racist and a xenophobe, actions of the foreigners make the natives racist, not the opposite one. Never forget this.

Taking classifications of race and attaching traits to that classification and using that to unreliably judge all people fitting that classification makes people racist.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 05:26:49 pm
Tomas, you said you were a minority in your own country. Did you mean to say you were not white or not british? I went on Wiki, London is 59% White...

Hi,

1) I am not white. I am a British citizen. I am part of an ethnic minority.

2) 59% is a majority.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 05:28:08 pm
Ok things are getting quite interesting now.

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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 14, 2014, 05:29:36 pm
Well I'm a white British male muslim, my wife is muslim and the Brighton community of Muslims is top notch. Difficult to compare with tower hamlets but I've never seen any issues with the community here and there are tons of awesome muslim run restaurants and the Taj grocer is fantastic to the point where people will use it over the main super markets.

Just because some communities have small examples of extremism is an idiotic pretence to blanketing an entire religion.
"Small examples of extremism."

Yeah right. Except 99% of all terrorist attacks are coincidentally done by muslims. And it's muslims who are beheading people, fucking animals, fucking little boys, raping, cutting off hands for stealing (from children also), beating up/killing women for having "unpure sex" and so on. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. Islam, religion of peace.

Or maybe muslims could wake up to the year of our Lord, 2014 -- and realize they don't have to kneel down to an imaginary supernatural being and follow the orders a mentally ill pedophile wrote down over a thousand years ago. That'd be the first step to progress.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 05:31:31 pm
And 20 years ago they were done by Christians. Your point being?

In fact many of those things still are. Your argument is as pointless as saying 99% of shootings in the US and Europe are carried out by Christians.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 05:33:55 pm
Terrorism isn't a helpful label either.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Utrakil on August 14, 2014, 05:36:17 pm

slavery stopped existing some hundred years ago.
Obviously you didn't even read the OP. slavery still exists. Even in central europe.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 05:36:39 pm
Slavery still exists in the UK.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: v/onMega on August 14, 2014, 05:45:35 pm
That the west FINALLY after thousands of years, understood that a war should atleast be motivated by things that materialised.
(these are very recent findings, not even 100 years old)
Oil or gas.

Plus the west understood that when everybody has conditions of living that are JUST good enough to not go crazy, atleast something positive might emerge.
FFS, even China understood it -> Look where they ve been 30 years ago (many parts still are...but...there is SOME progress).


Point being: Oberyn killed it. If you know how developed Syria and neighbour s were in the 13th century compared to the west - it all adds insult to injury.
Point also being: What happens over there is SO bad, that it makes our corrupt and broken western system look good and friendly (and thats quite a fucking achievement).
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 14, 2014, 05:45:41 pm
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There's other and better ways to deal with it. Don't need to go all H1tler and Stalin.

From a moral point of view i'd have to agree with you. Though I will doubt they will ever stop terrorizing the west. I am sure there will be a time in the future where the west says enough is enough and the consequences will be severe. This tolerance towards these terrorist who all share one similar aspect; their religious beliefs and their view of how a man/women/child should behave in society, will have to end some day.

Again, im not a racist but there is no way of denying their primitive behaviour and how they actually want to force(important) the rest of the worlds into their dogma. But this is just what I think will happen, eventually.

Edit; and dont all muslims want all jews dead? Doesnt make that you ahypocrite?

Don't worry yourself for no reason. Lots of guys who've worked with them firsthand aren't exactly worried about it. Those guys aren't exactly rocket scientists. The second they make any kind of an organized, overt move and give the West a reason for war? They're done.

For now! Who knows when a neckbeard messiah will rise and theyll all suddenly fall in line, and start their own crusade to the west!

But Yeah, it is unlikely.

So you fuck up your arguments and then call it trolling lol, you're digging the hole only deeper.

You're definitely not going to advance the problem like that. Which is even worse you put the islamic extremists and turks, kurds who are helping the Yezidis in the same category, there's also a bunch of very peaceful and tolerant muslems living in Europe. Yes, there's no religion where the radicalism is as spread as in Islam, but please differ between radical muslims and peaceful muslims.

You are right, i shouldnt have thrown them all in a single group. And what I siad only implies when all shit breaks lose, aka unified muslim world which is actually out to erase the western civilisation, but it could aswell happen that the east unites under a peacefull flag and start tolerating the west. I do not have foresight, so it coudl go both ways, who knows

How am I trolling btw? What I typed is not a matter facts or whatever statistical shit , it is just how I view the situation.

Ps: i take it you mean the drama phase, just a little joke mate
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Butan on August 14, 2014, 05:58:55 pm
These goat fuckers are give the opportunity to live and work in the best countries of the world, yet they do nothing all day long living of wealthfare and crime. And its not like this only its Sweden, its in every country goat fuckers move in to, either that is Greece, UK, France etc etc.

I can attest that there is more white catholics living from wealthfare and crime in France than arab muslim :wink:
There is no link between races and crime, situations and environments creates events, which shapes people, and vice-versa.


The logic of X people are more prone to do Y things is a common shortcut which have no rational. We are born empty and society fills us.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 06:00:17 pm
From a moral point of view i'd have to agree with you. Though I will doubt they will ever stop terrorizing the west. I am sure there will be a time in the future where the west says enough is enough and the consequences will be severe. This tolerance towards these terrorist who all share one similar aspect; their religious beliefs and their view of how a man/women/child should behave in society, will have to end some day.

Again, im not a racist but there is no way of denying their primitive behaviour and how they actually want to force(important) the rest of the worlds into their dogma. But this is just what I think will happen, eventually.

For now! Who knows when a neckbeard messiah will rise and theyll all suddenly fall in line, and start their own crusade to the west!

But Yeah, it is unlikely.

The little sucess insurgents have had against the West in the Middle east is because they hide amongst civilian population, which ISAF avoid killing.Insurgents dont pose a military danger to the west, they're just a threat to themselves. In a real war they would be destroyed in weeks. Only danger they pose is terrorism.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 14, 2014, 06:01:00 pm
I can attest that there is more white catholics living from wealthfare and crime in France than arab muslim :wink:
There is no link between races and crime, situations and environments creates events, which shapes people, and vice-versa.


The logic of X people are more prone to do Y things is a common shortcut which have no rational. We are born empty and society fills us.

Only first and second gen. The current gen (here in holland) are, from my personal experience, all women disrespecting a-social scum. (Not ALL)
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 06:18:03 pm
From my personal experience most people in this thread still disrespect women.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 14, 2014, 06:27:33 pm
tl;dr the "invented elsewhere" excuse. "Secularism is Western! It doesn't apply to us!" some people say. My answer would be: "Yes it does, you just don't have the collective memory yet, of why it is an absolute necessity."

We will be a minority in our own countries soon. Mass Immigration is killing Europe and the Occidental world.

Actually it's "killing" everywhere else more surely than it is "killing" rich countries. Pray immigration that you can go see a physician near your home at all.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Dooz on August 14, 2014, 07:31:31 pm
Remember the title of this thread. Not only is Islamic used as an identifier, but Jihadist is also used.

The title of this thread uses the identifier that this particular group of people officially uses for themselves.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 07:52:18 pm
My statement wasn't refuting that point. It was a reminder that it is a particular group, not every muslim.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 07:56:25 pm
Overdriven, aren't you a convert?
I find it massively fucked up how you equivocate slavery to the "oppression" muslims supposedly suffer in first world countries. Must be the first time in history hundreds of thousands of people so willingly "enslaved" themselves, i.e went to live lives in countries where they could better provide for themselves and their families compared to the shitholes they left of their own volition. They didn't get sold and shipped off to work uncompensated backbreaking manual labour and get whipped by racist slavemasters. They benefit from the same universal healthcare and welfare every other citizen does.
They willingly use the same liberation rhetoric of the black civil rights movement in the US as you so readily prove, despite how incredily innapropriate it is to their own situation, because it makes them feel like victims. Then their grudge and hatred for everything that is "native" to those countries is suddenly justified.
You're fucking deluded.


Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 08:02:33 pm
Incidentally, which other countries in the world accept hordes of immigrants? Why should western countries carry the burden to create this idealistically naive brave new world where "human" is the only sense of identification, and all the other cultures can just continue on with their closed off racism and cultural insularity, as they have done since the start of civilization?
Want to see modern slavery? Look at indonesians living in Gulf countries. How does that compare to the "slavery" (lol) in the UK?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 08:04:20 pm
I think he was referring to when Panos said "foreigners" and linking that to the UK and the Commonwealth if I interpreted Overdriven's statement correctly.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 08:06:21 pm
Double post

Progress IS being made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian_municipal_elections,_2015 One example. I'm not saying it isn't very late, but it is progress in my opinion.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 08:10:56 pm
How is that progress? If Saudi Arabia became a democracy overnight, what kind of candidate do you think they would vote for? You can't impose liberalism from the top. As fucked up as the Al Sauds who hold political power are, they are more "progressive" by far than the overwhelming majority of their people. Think about that for a second.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 08:14:51 pm
Giving women the vote after protested their right sounds pretty progressive to me.

Edit: Women must be a fairly large proportion of the population, and a marginalised one at that. If we used the history of "The western world" as a benchmark, feminism is a precursor to greater equality.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 08:20:39 pm
Africa for Africans
Asia for Asians
Middle East for Muslims
Europe for everyone!


hu fucking rray!
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: wayyyyyne on August 14, 2014, 08:21:14 pm
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with semites, prepare for fights
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 08:25:03 pm
Panos, that post means nearly nothing.

You seem to forget that Europe benefits greatly from immigrants imported for their skills, and also as consumers of education, amongst other things. Europe gives and takes.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 08:31:58 pm
Panos, that post means nearly nothing.

You seem to forget that Europe benefits greatly from immigrants imported for their skills, and also as consumers of education, amongst other things. Europe gives and takes.

lol really???


Because here in Greece most non european immigrants do the job Greeks won`t do, and to be honest I saw the same thing in London, Rome and Amsterdam (cities I have been to).


No job has a shame in doing it, but calling a strawberry picker "skilled worker" is funny.


From all Europe, I really feel sorry for the Germans, seeing their country being taken over from Turks, and they cant even protest in fear of being called neo nazees.


It`s ok to be racist, as long as you aint white.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 08:35:14 pm
Overdriven, aren't you a convert?
I find it massively fucked up how you equivocate slavery to the "oppression" muslims supposedly suffer in first world countries. Must be the first time in history hundreds of thousands of people so willingly "enslaved" themselves, i.e went to live lives in countries where they could better provide for themselves and their families compared to the shitholes they left of their own volition. They didn't get sold and shipped off to work uncompensated backbreaking manual labour and get whipped by racist slavemasters. They benefit from the same universal healthcare and welfare every other citizen does.
They willingly use the same liberation rhetoric of the black civil rights movement in the US as you so readily prove, despite how incredily innapropriate it is to their own situation, because it makes them feel like victims. Then their grudge and hatred for everything that is "native" to those countries is suddenly justified.
You're fucking deluded.

I am.

But you totally missed the point there. Where at any point did I make a comparison? Nothing that you say there had anything to do with what I said.

You evidently just read the word slave and went on your own rant about something totally unrelated.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 08:37:19 pm
I dont believe in any religion, but converting for a woman?

Damn dude, grow a pair  :lol:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: wayyyyyne on August 14, 2014, 08:38:25 pm
Panos, that post means nearly nothing.

You seem to forget that Europe benefits greatly from immigrants imported for their skills, and also as consumers of education, amongst other things. Europe gives and takes.

ahh yes, the famed "youth riots" in the UK
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 08:38:57 pm
We get plenty of immigrants filling STEM vacancies.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 08:39:38 pm
ahh yes, the famed "youth riots" in the UK

Forgive me, you'll have to elaborate on the connection there.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 08:41:46 pm
We get plenty of immigrants filling STEM vacancies.

europeans or non europeans?

Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 08:42:44 pm
Both.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Prinz_Karl on August 14, 2014, 08:43:50 pm
Statistically the most qualified immagrants come from India or asian countries. Most islamic immigrants are less qualified (not all, it's only a statistic), which is linked to their belief and their traditions. That's what you will see in almost every country when you compare second or third generations of different ethnics. The islam simply doesn't promote productivity in terms of work.

How am I trolling btw? What I typed is not a matter facts or whatever statistical shit , it is just how I view the situation.
Ps: i take it you mean the drama phase, just a little joke mate

It was adressed to Dooz  or I don't understand :)
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 08:45:19 pm
Statistically the most qualified immagrants come from India or asian countries. Most islamic immigrants are less qualified (not all, it's only a statistic), which is linked to their belief and their traditions. That's what you will see in almost every country when you compare second or third generations of different ethnics. The islam simply doesn't promote productivity in terms of work.

Paha show me a statistic that actually demonstrates that.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 14, 2014, 08:45:25 pm


It was adressed to Dooz  or I don't understand :)

Ahh, My bad!
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 08:47:43 pm
The M in STEM. In the UK we have plenty of muslim doctors.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 08:48:56 pm
Wow. I can understand someone being born into something as moronic as the abrahamic religions, being raised into it from birth, living it as a form of community and tribal identity. But converting into it as a grown man? When it isn't even part of your "native" culture in any way? Fucking disgusting.
How do you feel about secularism and freedom of speech regarding the sanctified and sacred concepts of religions?
 
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 14, 2014, 08:50:35 pm
Wow. I can understand someone being born into something as moronic as the abrahamic religions, being raised into it from birth, living it as a form of community and tribal identity. But converting into it as a grown man? Fucking disgusting.
How do you feel about secularism and freedom of speech regarding the sanctified and sacred concepts of religions?
:rolleyes:

There is little point even discussing things with people such as you.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Falka on August 14, 2014, 08:51:46 pm
You seem to forget that Europe benefits greatly from immigrants

That's right!

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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 08:51:55 pm
That's allright, I have zero respect for any of your opinions on this subject either. Curiosity maybe, but that's it.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 14, 2014, 08:52:53 pm
First thing to pop into my mind after reading the title...

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wtf
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Utrakil on August 14, 2014, 08:53:25 pm
 :D :lol:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Falka on August 14, 2014, 09:01:49 pm
Wow. I can understand someone being born into something as moronic as the abrahamic religions, being raised into it from birth, living it as a form of community and tribal identity. But converting into it as a grown man? When it isn't even part of your "native" culture in any way? Fucking disgusting.

Maybe not disgusting, but just beyond my comprehension.

It`s ok to be racist, as long as you aint white.

It's okay to be racist as long as you're stupid.

PS. Panos, could you tell me why you always put space in front of and behind apostrophe? I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 09:04:07 pm
:D :lol:

no need to worry, I don`t feel sorry for you, you are from those guys who prefer to bend over, instead of having national pride.

I feel sorry for the true Germans, who actually worry and love their country.

Some days ago, I read that some courts in Germany removed the bible and the christian pictures they had in the court rooms, because the goat fuckers felt insulted by it.


PS. Panos, could you tell me why you always put space in front of and behind apostrophe? I'm just curious.


Blind typing, force of habbit, can`t really tell.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 09:04:25 pm
By the way Mohammed was a goat-fucking pedophile murderer, shit be upon his name. What are you gonna do now, Overdriven? I've just insulted your religion. Do you want to forbid that? Make it a crime, maybe? Was it driven by "islamophobic" hatred in your opinion? Strange, I've seen and said much worse things about christianity and Jesus, stuff done to the bible, the whole ideology deconstructed into the piecemeal backwards social mores it sprung from, yet I have never heard the term "christianophobe" or been accused of racism for it.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Christo on August 14, 2014, 09:07:37 pm
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Utrakil on August 14, 2014, 09:07:46 pm
no need to worry, I don`t feel sorry for you, you are from those guys who prefer to bend over, instead of having national pride.

I feel sorry for the true Germans, who actually worry and love their country.

Some days ago, I read that some courts in Germany removed the bible and the christian pictures they had in the court rooms, because the goat fuckers felt insulted by it.


Can you please explain "true german"
you think only the 5% of rightwingvoters are true germans? or do you want to say that people of a democracy which welcomes strangers are all non true to their nation?
I don't get your nonsens!

Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 09:08:24 pm
By the way Mohammed was a goat-fucking pedophile murderer. What are you gonna do now, Overdriven? I've just insulted your religion. Do you want to forbid that? Make it a crime, maybe? Was it driven by "islamophobic" hatred in your opinion? Strange, I've seen and said much worse things about christianity and Jesus, stuff done to the bible, the whole ideology deconstructed into the piecemeal backwards social mores it sprung from, yet I have never heard the term "christianophobe" or been accused of racism for it.

If I recall correctly Overdriven is a Quranist which means he denies Hadith. Hadith was written 220 years after the Muhammeds death, and that's where Sharia and pretty much the rest of the messed up stuff in Islam comes from. An example is stoning to death which is never mentioned in the Quran, only in Hadith.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Prinz_Karl on August 14, 2014, 09:11:20 pm
Paha show me a statistic that actually demonstrates that.

Well I could give you a link in german but I guess that won't help you much. Anyway, it's proven that from most islamic countries the immigrants (second or third generation) have a lower education level and employment rate. It's just a statistic, it's not including all countries or all people.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 09:11:48 pm
So he's a special snowflake muslim, great. How many muslims in the world ignore all haddiths, exactly? How many muslim denominations just in the UK? By that metric, aren't literally all the Caliphs and muslim governments that have ever existed after Mohammed's death illegitimate and based on faulty theology?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 14, 2014, 09:14:22 pm
Well there are entire forums for muslim communities, why don't you google it and report your findings back to us?

Here's a tiny result of a 2 second search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Hadith
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 14, 2014, 09:15:21 pm
So he's a special snowflake muslim, great. How many muslims in the world ignore all haddiths, exactly? How many muslim denominations just in the UK?

Different sects have their own Hadiths, like the Shia have one collection of hadith and the Sunni have theirs. A majority of muslims believe in Hadith since many islamic practices like praying would be impossible to do without Hadith. It is never mentioned in the Quran on how to pray - its all hadith. Ask any Sunni muslim what importance Hadith has to Islam and they will say the same importance as the Quran.

And since there's many different hadith collections, many contradict eachother, and about 1 in a 100 hundred of all hadith ever made is actually considered "legit".

*Edit* I should clarify my last sentence. When the Hadith collections were written in the 800's, thousands upon thousands of hadith were reported orally to people like Bukhari and Muslim who wrote them down. And only 1 in a 100 were approved, because many people were making shit up.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 09:16:10 pm
Those were all rhetorical questions, Quranists are a middling and practically non-existent minority in the muslim world. The gates of ijtihad were closed long ago.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Falka on August 14, 2014, 09:17:40 pm
Some days ago, I read that some courts in Germany removed the bible and the christian pictures they had in the court rooms, because the goat fuckers felt insulted by it.

That's weird that there were christian paintings in the first place. Even in Poland, which is one of the most - if not the most - catholic countries in europe with enormous influence of church on both private and public life, christian symbols aren't allowed in the courts. Though we have a catholic cross in the parliament.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 09:20:21 pm
Muslims in the west love secularism when it suits them, i.e when it isn't their ideology being subjected to it. At all other times it's literally a racist mechanism designed solely to oppress them. The history of european countries and their struggles with their own native religions, the hundreds of years it took to dismantle homemade theocracies and governments built entirely around religious legitimacy, they don't give a fuck. It's not their past or their history after all, and can therefore be ignored.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Leesin on August 14, 2014, 09:23:29 pm

And only 1 in a 100 were approved, because many people were making shit up.

When I got to this part I lold pretty hard, because a lot of what is written in ALL religious books is shit that was made up.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 09:25:23 pm
No, I'm quite sure the angel Gabriel decended from the heavens to impart the truth of God upon Mohammed, his prophet. Only a racist hater would say otherwise, or say it's a fucking made up fairy tale.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Leesin on August 14, 2014, 09:26:56 pm
No, I'm quite sure the angel Gabriel decended from the heavens to impart the truth of God upon Mohammed, his prophet. Only a racist hater would say otherwise, or say it's a fucking made up fairy tale.

 :lol:

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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Falka on August 14, 2014, 09:41:50 pm
By the way Mohammed was a goat-fucking pedophile murderer, shit be upon his name. What are you gonna do now, Overdriven? I've just insulted your religion. Do you want to forbid that? Make it a crime, maybe?

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In POland an artist who made this... installation, performance, whatever you want to call that, was convicted by the court of insulting "religious feelings"  :wink:

PS. Don't ban me, that's an artistic performance, exposed in the National Art Gallery.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 09:48:29 pm
Similar things have been done throughout the western world. Bibles shit on, burned, desecrated in a variety of ways, crucifixes and images of Jesus submerged in piss, etc. All by "artists", and the vast majority are never "convicted" of anything. The punishment for the artist? A 500 dollar fine. I disagree with the judgement and find it fucked up, nothing but feelings were hurt by this. If your "faith" isn't strong enough to withstand something like this it obviously isn't worth much in the first place. But compare it to the punishment for blasphemy or apostasy in any majority muslim country, or even what is considered blasphemy in the first place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Christo on August 14, 2014, 09:49:11 pm
Don't have to go really far back, do you remember the shitstorm about the Mohammed caricatures?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Molly on August 14, 2014, 09:53:27 pm
That's weird that there were christian paintings in the first place. Even in Poland, which is one of the most - if not the most - catholic countries in europe with enormous influence of church on both private and public life, christian symbols aren't allowed in the courts. Though we have a catholic cross in the parliament.
Better ignore Panos - his so-called facts is mostly just silly half-knowledge some of his GD buddies told him on a meeting or something.
Religious symbol are forbidden in Germany as soon as it's related to official state business. That includes courts and schools for example.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 14, 2014, 10:04:23 pm
Better ignore Panos - his so-called facts is mostly just silly half-knowledge some of his GD buddies told him on a meeting or something.
Religious symbol are forbidden in Germany as soon as it's related to official state business. That includes courts and schools for example.

How many times do I have to repeat the same thing? Just because you vote for a political party, it doesnt mean that you are a member, I am but a mere supporter, I have no friends inside the party.

Also, the court incident happened at the NSU trial last year, in which some Turkish journalist asked for the cross to be removed, a simple google search will enlighten you.

Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 14, 2014, 10:24:28 pm
The little sucess insurgents have had against the West in the Middle east is because they hide amongst civilian population, which ISAF avoid killing.Insurgents dont pose a military danger to the west, they're just a threat to themselves. In a real war they would be destroyed in weeks. Only danger they pose is terrorism.

I think all they do with terrorism is like slowly releasing the trapdoor of the gallows. A few times I read about terrorists whom no one thought that of him. that is I think that one day the west will get VERY paranoid against every muslim, if that isnt already the case, because who knows who is extremist? and then take precautions/actions.

I just dont see this terrorism go on forever, either the islam will stabilize and get some competent leaders that arent batshit crazy intolerant or it will eventually have to be wiped out with its roots. Every day people see the onslaught these islam '.crusaders' cause and eventually I think they will not look at "only the extremists" but start blaming the the entire islam..

It just cant go on forever, I think that one day people WILL go einstein/stalin on their asses, if only out of paranoia.. A family of a terrorist might be a terrorist aswell! That kind of shit.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 14, 2014, 11:01:44 pm
Africa for Africans
Asia for Asians
Middle East for Muslims
Europe for everyone!


hu fucking rray!

Because tectonic plates know better !

I think all they do with terrorism is like slowly releasing the trapdoor of the gallows. A few times I read about terrorists whom no one thought that of him. that is I think that one day the west will get VERY paranoid against every muslim, if that isnt already the case, because who knows who is extremist? and then take precautions/actions.

I just dont see this terrorism go on forever, either the islam will stabilize and get some competent leaders that arent batshit crazy intolerant or it will eventually have to be wiped out with its roots. Every day people see the onslaught these islam '.crusaders' cause and eventually I think they will not look at "only the extremists" but start blaming the the entire islam..

It just cant go on forever, I think that one day people WILL go einstein/stalin on their asses, if only out of paranoia.. A family of a terrorist might be a terrorist aswell! That kind of shit.

As if that's not happening already. Look at Panos. Give that guy power over anything and there you have it, genocide. Actually, Xant seems even more likely to do that, being utilitarian and all. However with Xant it's also probable his stance is pure roleplaying.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 14, 2014, 11:10:40 pm
Because tectonic plates know better !

As if that's not happening already. Look at Panos. Give that guy power over anything and there you have it, genocide. Actually, Xant seems even more likely to do that, being utilitarian and all. However with Xant it's also probable his stance is pure roleplaying.

Lol, we have some quite stone cold killers on here!

Btw, isnt it hapoening as we speak? Muslims are practicly asking for the genocide of the jews nowadays.

But I guess that is different, because islam justify's the means!
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 14, 2014, 11:14:59 pm
Lol, we have some quite stone cold killers on here!

Btw, isnt it hapoening as we speak? Muslims are practicly asking for the genocide of the jews nowadays.

But I guess that is different, because islam justify's the means!

Actually, you could say Israel is and has been committing genocide against palestinians (thanks Angantyr, great video), but that's not for the same reasons European countries would.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 14, 2014, 11:24:20 pm
Actually, you could say Israel is and has been committing genocide against palestinians (thanks Angantyr, great video), but that's not for the same reasons European countries would.

Hmm, Could you link the vid? I missed it
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 15, 2014, 12:17:12 am
Hmm, Could you link the vid? I missed it


No idea to what point this guy's narrative and information is truthful, but it frankly doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Overdriven on August 15, 2014, 12:31:24 am
By the way Mohammed was a goat-fucking pedophile murderer, shit be upon his name. What are you gonna do now, Overdriven? I've just insulted your religion. Do you want to forbid that? Make it a crime, maybe? Was it driven by "islamophobic" hatred in your opinion? Strange, I've seen and said much worse things about christianity and Jesus, stuff done to the bible, the whole ideology deconstructed into the piecemeal backwards social mores it sprung from, yet I have never heard the term "christianophobe" or been accused of racism for it.

You have a very high opinion of yourself if you think that bothers me even remotely.

Those were all rhetorical questions, Quranists are a middling and practically non-existent minority in the muslim world. The gates of ijtihad were closed long ago.

Not particularly. More liberal minded Muslims (of which there are many) lean more towards this point of view. There are many useful things you can extract from the Hadith but they are all ultimately flawed in comparison to the Quran.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Butan on August 15, 2014, 12:44:19 am
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Strange, I've seen and said much worse things about christianity and Jesus, stuff done to the bible, the whole ideology deconstructed into the piecemeal backwards social mores it sprung from, yet I have never heard the term "christianophobe" or been accused of racism for it.

About the same reason calling someone "white" isnt racism.

Christianism and white people have been dominating the world else it would be the same thing but in reverse...
Even still, if you talked to the right christianists persons (extremists) you would have been as kindly welcomed as those you think represent the muslims today.


Your speech is hateful and I'm very sad to read you, and to read that many share your views.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 15, 2014, 12:53:44 am
By the way, a political Caliphate is just another theocracy. A Sunni Iran of sorts. The world is already struggling with one such state so I'd rather avoid that scenario. Something I absolutely wouldn't mind however, is a spiritual Caliphate. That would be similar to the catholic Papacy and hopefully decrease tensions in the Muslim world as well as start the road to anticlericalism and eventually a Muslim enlightenment.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Admerius on August 15, 2014, 01:20:19 am
I came across this:
(click to show/hide)

This is Norway!
It saddens me that so many people in Norway, not all muslims, but those that agreed with the speaker in the room, holds these views.

@Extremists of all brands: I'll never "tolerate" you, I'll accept and welcome you, or i do not. "Tolerance" is something you have towards poisons, and other negative stuff, humans should be accepted or challenged, never "tolerated".

I'm proud to call myself Intolerant in this regard.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 15, 2014, 03:23:07 am
You have a very high opinion of yourself if you think that bothers me even remotely.

Not particularly. More liberal minded Muslims (of which there are many) lean more towards this point of view. There are many useful things you can extract from the Hadith but they are all ultimately flawed in comparison to the Quran.
Seriously though, how does someone start believing in fairy tales as an adult? Did you suddenly feel the touch of Allah the Great and Merciful when your wife said she'd only marry a muslim?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 15, 2014, 06:51:53 am
As if that's not happening already. Look at Panos. Give that guy power over anything and there you have it, genocide. Actually, Xant seems even more likely to do that, being utilitarian and all. However with Xant it's also probable his stance is pure roleplaying.

Find me a post of mine were I speak about killing aliens, or  about commiting genocide, and I give you my word I`ll do whatever you want.

Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Gnjus on August 15, 2014, 08:27:49 am
By the way Mohammed was a goat-fucking pedophile murderer, shit be upon his name. What are you gonna do now, Overdriven?


It was nice knowing you, Bloby.  :wink:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Christo on August 15, 2014, 09:56:49 am
Did you suddenly feel the touch of Allah the Great and Merciful when your wife said she'd only marry a muslim?

Must resist.. joke..
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 15, 2014, 11:18:30 am

It was nice knowing you, Bloby.  :wink:

Please dont blow yourself up
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 15, 2014, 11:42:40 am
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.610599

"Malaysian police investigate teen who 'liked' Israel on Facebook"
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Molly on August 15, 2014, 11:52:30 am
How many times do I have to repeat the same thing? Just because you vote for a political party, it doesnt mean that you are a member, I am but a mere supporter, I have no friends inside the party.

Also, the court incident happened at the NSU trial last year, in which some Turkish journalist asked for the cross to be removed, a simple google search will enlighten you.
Stop using the same old and lame arguments every single right-wing guy all over the world uses and I stop assuming you don't think for yourself. Pretty easy.

That was in Bavaria which is the only federal state in Germany that still "refuses" to put them down. 1 out of 16... Not allowed in Bavaria either but they choose to ignore it. There is still nothing out of the ordinary in this incident.
Personally, I don't wanna see neither the Quoran nor the Bible or any other religious fairy tale book or anything related to it wherever I go. On the other hand, everyone can believe in whatever nonsense he/she wants as long they don't bother me with it.
Atm nobody is bothering me with religion in my daily life.

About the ISIS thing: German news have been full about German guys going over there fighting for ISIS. They are discussing how to stop them doing that. Only question I really have: Why would you stop them in the first place? Let them go there, let them get killed, problem solved. That's as far as I choose my horizon to go atm. Muslims killed each other in the ME? Not really breaking news.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 15, 2014, 12:22:50 pm
Stop using the same old and lame arguments every single right-wing guy all over the world uses and I stop assuming you don't think for yourself. Pretty easy.


Yeah, because I really give a fuck what an obnoxious twat thinks/assumes about me.  :lol:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 15, 2014, 12:25:44 pm
Seriously though, how does someone start believing in fairy tales as an adult? Did you suddenly feel the touch of Allah the Great and Merciful when your wife said she'd only marry a muslim?

This seems to hit the right cord

Find me a post of mine were I speak about killing aliens, or  about commiting genocide, and I give you my word I`ll do whatever you want.

I'm not going to look through your post history to remind you of what you said. Anyway, when you speak about kicking immigrants out of Greece, what are you going to do when they will tell you they don't want to go home?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 15, 2014, 12:30:07 pm
I'm not going to look through your post history to remind you of what you said. Anyway, when you speak about kicking immigrants out of Greece, what are you going to do when they will tell you they don't want to go home?


First of all, you need to learn to use the terms, I never spoke for the legal immigrants, I always speak about aliens.

Secondly, the law is the law, so if they deny to leave my country peacefuly, then they should be forced to, plain as that.

And as Basnak said already, there are tons of LEGAL immigrants that have problems with the illegal immirants.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 15, 2014, 12:32:54 pm
there are tons of LEGAL immigrants that have problems with the illegal immirants.

Yes, and pretty much all the LEGAL immigrants also have a problem with the party you voted for.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 15, 2014, 12:35:53 pm
Yes, and pretty much all the LEGAL immigrants also have a problem with the party you voted for.

not my problem, in my country I can do as a please (as long as I dont break any laws), if the goatfuckers have a problem with that, they can easily leave Greece, no one wil try to stop them (apart from the gay anarchists.communists who like goatfucker dick )  :lol:
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Molly on August 15, 2014, 12:38:18 pm

Yeah, because I really give a fuck what an obnoxious twat thinks/assumes about me.  :lol:
Considering that you answer every single time when someone calls you out on your repetitive stupidity...

Yea, you don't care at all. Just carry on...
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Panos_ on August 15, 2014, 12:39:43 pm
Considering that you answer every single time when someone calls you out on your repetitive stupidity...

Yea, you don't care at all. Just carry on...

You asked me a question, and I replied with an insult.

If I really cared, I`d try to explain myself and my opinion, but you just aint worth it.
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Kafein on August 15, 2014, 12:40:14 pm
So, how much "Greek" does a law-abiding citizen need to be, to not be persecutec by Golden Dawn? Pure Greek parents? Pure Greek grandparents? Or just not be too brown?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Leshma on August 15, 2014, 04:25:26 pm
Marine In Urination Video Found Dead At Home (http://news.sky.com/story/1319185/marine-in-urination-video-found-dead-at-home)
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Xant on August 15, 2014, 04:32:32 pm
Marine In Urination Video Found Dead At Home (http://news.sky.com/story/1319185/marine-in-urination-video-found-dead-at-home)
Related to this thread how?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Molly on August 15, 2014, 04:35:11 pm
You asked me a question, and I replied with an insult.

If I really cared, I`d try to explain myself and my opinion, but you just aint worth it.
See, I think you don't have any arguments to explain yourself and that's actually the reason you answer with insults.
I mean, where should those arguments come from when you just repeat what others keep telling you, right?
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: [ptx] on August 15, 2014, 04:46:30 pm
Panos and arguments:
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Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: BASNAK on August 15, 2014, 08:11:22 pm

Radical Islam
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: _Tak_ on August 20, 2014, 05:58:31 pm
[No gory content inside]

Beheading of innocents people is really sad
Title: Re: Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 20, 2014, 07:34:05 pm
AK-47 for everyone!