Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist

[Tomas_Miles_again]

My statement wasn't refuting that point. It was a reminder that it is a particular group, not every muslim.

[Oberyn]

Overdriven, aren't you a convert?
I find it massively fucked up how you equivocate slavery to the "oppression" muslims supposedly suffer in first world countries. Must be the first time in history hundreds of thousands of people so willingly "enslaved" themselves, i.e went to live lives in countries where they could better provide for themselves and their families compared to the shitholes they left of their own volition. They didn't get sold and shipped off to work uncompensated backbreaking manual labour and get whipped by racist slavemasters. They benefit from the same universal healthcare and welfare every other citizen does.
They willingly use the same liberation rhetoric of the black civil rights movement in the US as you so readily prove, despite how incredily innapropriate it is to their own situation, because it makes them feel like victims. Then their grudge and hatred for everything that is "native" to those countries is suddenly justified.
You're fucking deluded.

[Oberyn]

Incidentally, which other countries in the world accept hordes of immigrants? Why should western countries carry the burden to create this idealistically naive brave new world where "human" is the only sense of identification, and all the other cultures can just continue on with their closed off racism and cultural insularity, as they have done since the start of civilization?
Want to see modern slavery? Look at indonesians living in Gulf countries. How does that compare to the "slavery" (lol) in the UK?

[Tomas_Miles_again]

I think he was referring to when Panos said "foreigners" and linking that to the UK and the Commonwealth if I interpreted Overdriven's statement correctly.

[Tomas_Miles_again]

Double post

Progress IS being made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian_municipal_elections,_2015 One example. I'm not saying it isn't very late, but it is progress in my opinion.

[Oberyn]

How is that progress? If Saudi Arabia became a democracy overnight, what kind of candidate do you think they would vote for? You can't impose liberalism from the top. As fucked up as the Al Sauds who hold political power are, they are more "progressive" by far than the overwhelming majority of their people. Think about that for a second.

[Tomas_Miles_again]

Giving women the vote after protested their right sounds pretty progressive to me.

Edit: Women must be a fairly large proportion of the population, and a marginalised one at that. If we used the history of "The western world" as a benchmark, feminism is a precursor to greater equality.

[Panos_]

Africa for Africans
Asia for Asians
Middle East for Muslims
Europe for everyone!


hu fucking rray!

[wayyyyyne]

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with semites, prepare for fights

[Tomas_Miles_again]

Panos, that post means nearly nothing.

You seem to forget that Europe benefits greatly from immigrants imported for their skills, and also as consumers of education, amongst other things. Europe gives and takes.

[Panos_]

Panos, that post means nearly nothing.

You seem to forget that Europe benefits greatly from immigrants imported for their skills, and also as consumers of education, amongst other things. Europe gives and takes.

lol really???


Because here in Greece most non european immigrants do the job Greeks won`t do, and to be honest I saw the same thing in London, Rome and Amsterdam (cities I have been to).


No job has a shame in doing it, but calling a strawberry picker "skilled worker" is funny.


From all Europe, I really feel sorry for the Germans, seeing their country being taken over from Turks, and they cant even protest in fear of being called neo nazees.


It`s ok to be racist, as long as you aint white.

[Overdriven]

Overdriven, aren't you a convert?
I find it massively fucked up how you equivocate slavery to the "oppression" muslims supposedly suffer in first world countries. Must be the first time in history hundreds of thousands of people so willingly "enslaved" themselves, i.e went to live lives in countries where they could better provide for themselves and their families compared to the shitholes they left of their own volition. They didn't get sold and shipped off to work uncompensated backbreaking manual labour and get whipped by racist slavemasters. They benefit from the same universal healthcare and welfare every other citizen does.
They willingly use the same liberation rhetoric of the black civil rights movement in the US as you so readily prove, despite how incredily innapropriate it is to their own situation, because it makes them feel like victims. Then their grudge and hatred for everything that is "native" to those countries is suddenly justified.
You're fucking deluded.

I am.

But you totally missed the point there. Where at any point did I make a comparison? Nothing that you say there had anything to do with what I said.

You evidently just read the word slave and went on your own rant about something totally unrelated.

[Panos_]

I dont believe in any religion, but converting for a woman?

Damn dude, grow a pair 

[wayyyyyne]

Panos, that post means nearly nothing.

You seem to forget that Europe benefits greatly from immigrants imported for their skills, and also as consumers of education, amongst other things. Europe gives and takes.

ahh yes, the famed "youth riots" in the UK

[Tomas_Miles_again]

We get plenty of immigrants filling STEM vacancies.