Lol didn't realise they intentionally used a symbol so close to the cute puppy (chocolate chip cookie symbol...nice censorship). Looks legit
Yep, but political context and cultural significant plays a crucial role in putting stuff like that offlimits for a political party, especially one with far right leanings. Unless they want people to associate GD with that mindset, which they obviously do
with the same reasoning we should ban red, black and white colours because the nazees used them,, :lol:
Killing people you don't agree with is usually a good way to bolster their cause.Just look at the jihadists. I agree with you.
Just look at the jihadists. I agree with you.
[...]A textbook example of Germany in the 30s. [...]Exactly, that's why even a braindead maggot should know that nothing good will come out of it...
Problem is there are already fascists in control, and Golden Dawn, which is at least built on some democratic principles, is the only one to oppose them.
Exactly, that's why even a braindead maggot should know that nothing good will come out of it...Nothing good? Look at Germany before einstein came to power, and look at Germany during his early reign before he started getting fucked hard at all sides, you sure about the nothing good part? Last I checked einstein sorta did get the country back on track for a while.
Nothing good? Look at Germany before einstein came to power, and look at Germany during his early reign before he started getting fucked hard at all sides, you sure about the nothing good part? Last I checked einstein sorta did get the country back on track for a while.Just to leave it in a way worse state at the end. Not to mention all the suffering for a lot of people during the reign.
Do we really need this WWII discussion again? What the hell is wrong with you people? Cant you shut your pieholes even for one day and talk about something else besides WWs, in a videogameforum mainly made for medievalstuff? And if its not WWs its something to do with fascism or communism. Id understand if you were new to this, but you are veterans here, its all been discussed in these forums for years now.How dare we having a discussion in forum!
I can avoid this thread yes, but this crap always wiggles into many other threads and bunch of post and often in chat. No way to honestly avoid this....but it actually fits in to this particular thread, don't you think? :P
Did someone say WW2 discussion?You actually made me smile :D
Just to leave it in a way worse state at the end. Not to mention all the suffering for a lot of people during the reign.The worse state was due to the war, and I have a hard time seeing Golden Dawn go on a world conquering spree from Greece, most of the suffering was also to people ethnically considered immigrants or political opponents, and you yourself has said you'd be proud of beating a chocolate chip cookie up for being a chocolate chip cookie, so you'd be hypocritical hating on him for killing commies and people plotting against him. As horrible as the holocaust was (and to his credit he also originally intended on relocating the jews, not gassing them all) you can't say einstein wasn't a good president for the average German guy until a few shitty choices (declaring war on The Soviet Union and the US) caused his country to get steamrolled, he even would've stood a chance if he hadn't tried to Blitzkrieg Russia. But all of that doesn't really matter, as Golden Dawn can't possibly go on a world conquering spree if they take over Greece, and it was einsteins "fuck the dept", "fuck the immigrants", and his dedication to the state and lack of massive corruption in the chocolate chip cookie party that caused Germans all over to stop being poor as fuck. Golden Dawn may very well be the best realistic option for Greece, with my limited knowledge of the state of affairs in the country I won't say otherwise, nor will I say that I know for certain, neither should you, just because einstein eventually failed doesn't mean every state built on chocolate chip cookie or nationalist principles will, Kafein please post that picture regarding anecdotes you always keep flashing around.
Did someone say WW2 discussion?
The worse state was due to the war, and I have a hard time seeing Golden Dawn go on a world conquering spree from Greece, most of the suffering was also to people ethnically considered immigrants or political opponents, and you yourself has said you'd be proud of beating a chocolate chip cookie up for being a chocolate chip cookie, so you'd be hypocritical hating on him for killing commies and people plotting against him. As horrible as the holocaust was (and to his credit he also originally intended on relocating the jews, not gassing them all) you can't say einstein wasn't a good president for the average German guy until a few shitty choices (declaring war on The Soviet Union and the US) caused his country to get steamrolled, he even would've stood a chance if he hadn't tried to Blitzkrieg Russia. But all of that doesn't really matter, as Golden Dawn can't possibly go on a world conquering spree if they take over Greece, and it was einsteins "fuck the dept", "fuck the immigrants", and his dedication to the state and lack of massive corruption in the chocolate chip cookie party that caused Germans all over to stop being poor as fuck. Golden Dawn may very well be the best realistic option for Greece, with my limited knowledge of the state of affairs in the country I won't say otherwise, nor will I say that I know for certain, neither should you, just because einstein eventually failed doesn't mean every state built on chocolate chip cookie or nationalist principles will, Kafein please post that picture regarding anecdotes you always keep flashing around.Afaik, a lot of that economic boom was due to Hitler retaking Rhine and firing up a massive military industry - which created a lot of jobs and cash flow in the country. I don't see how such a solution could apply to Greece.
Czech, Polish all the same right? :wink:
Nice support there, Irriducibili and other scum, you really must be proud to have them on your side.
Grow up ese.
Since this thread shows only the best and brightest, opened by the smartest of them, here... have another follower for your just cause. He fits right in...
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Fascists getting murdered by fascists?
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I say good riddance. My stance has always been "I'll tolerate anyone but the intolerant". Fuck intolerant bastards, especially those that would resort to violence to solve their problems. Only way to deal with shitheads like that is through counter-violence.
GD kinda had that one coming, shouldn't have shot that anarchist rapper eh?
Exactly, that's why even a braindead maggot should know that nothing good will come out of it...
Yes yes I know, those who care about their country are the biggest fascists, losers, with family issues, probably low educated, I think we were over this stage long time ago!
Afaik, a lot of that economic boom was due to Hitler retaking Rhine and firing up a massive military industry - which created a lot of jobs and cash flow in the country. I don't see how such a solution could apply to Greece.Ofc the new military demands helped, that's far from the only reason though, also Germany inbetween WW1 and WW2 isn't exactly the part of history I know the most about, but I'm fairly sure only a very small amount of the Rhineland was under French control by the time einstein was elected.
I'll call you what you are: a sad, sad little idiot.
Nothing more to add really.
Calling other people names, because you don`t agree with them, its fascist :lol:visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Joke`s on you.
It's not about that at all. You obviously don't know much about European tifo scene and how things stand (or you do?)
I am merely trying to point out the fact that you put the picture up of SS Lazio fans in pride, happy they are helping you cause yet Lazio fans are known as one of the most facist in Europe and the pic I posted of Irriducibili (google them) is the proof.
By posting right wing Ultra groups in pride either makes you look silly and unimformed or really facist, take your pick there is no third option really.
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I`m pretty sure both guys could make you their little bitch :rolleyes:
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Picture me being scared of a nigga that breathe the same air as me
Niggas bleed just like us
Picture me being shook
We can both pull burners, make the motherfucking beef cook
Niggas bleed just like us
Picture a nigga hiding
My life in that man hands, while he just deciding
Niggas bleed just like us
I'd rather go toe to toe with all of y'all
Running ain't in my protocol
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginNo, they coudln't cuz... you know... dead and stuff... :rolleyes:
I`m pretty sure both guys could make you their little bitch :rolleyes:
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nothing beats a wigger though :wink:
No, they coudln't cuz... you know... dead and stuff... :rolleyes:
I'll call you what you are: a sad, sad little idiot.
Nothing more to add really.
No, they coudln't cuz... you know... dead and stuff... :rolleyes:He said could, not can, nice try though. Also making fun of people who recently were murdered, regardless of who they are, is pretty fucking low.
Why is it low though? It's still funny how they actually died. Situational joke, I'd call it. :lol:
Anarchists burn and loot but GA members pray like good little boys when their members get killed.
GA members were just minding their own business and got shot by anarchists. In the back ofc.
Propaganda at it's finest.
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I`m pretty sure both guys could make you their little bitch :rolleyes:
Propaganda??
I even posted videos about it buddy..
If you look past the fact that GD members are prolly gonna go off shooting up some anarchists soonish for revenge it probably isn't all that far from the truth.
Sorry you can't see it for what it is... neither is the right option and yes dud propaganda. They burn and loot, we pray, we mind our business they shoot us in the back, textbook stuff
I'm not gonna preach to you, believe what you want and who you want, I just hope you will realise how full of crap both sides are when you get a bit older.
He said could, not can, nice try though. Also making fun of people who recently were murdered, regardless of who they are, is pretty fucking low.I am by far now expert on grammar but I think it has to be something like "could have made" or "could had made"... certainly not "could make". I may be wrong tho.
I`m pretty sure both guys could make you their little bitch :rolleyes:
Also making fun of people who recently were murdered, regardless of who they are, is pretty fucking low.
Bullshit, the same as "don't speak ill of the dead". If dead one was a prick when he was still alive I can make as much fun of him as I want. In this case I have no clue who were they, but if they're heroes for Panos I can assume their death wasn't great loss to the world :wink:It's not as much about respect for said dead people as for their family and friends who probably weren't all assholes, regardless of who the dead person is.
Btw, artificial respect for death and dead is silly.
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P.S : Waiting to be called a neo nazee for speaking the truth
It's not as much about respect for said dead people as for their family and friends who probably weren't all assholes, regardless of who the dead person is.
Being called an idiot from a dude who pretends to be a girl in a videogame.. really :lol:
Pretends to be a girl? Who? :shock:
cut the crap cirilla, I know that you are a dude, so spare me.Cirilla is a female alien catholic spaceranger republican.
cut the crap cirilla, I know that you are a dude, so spare me.Cirilla is a descendant of Falka, not Falka herself, duh.
cut the crap cirilla, I know that you are a dude, so spare me.
Cirilla is a descendant of Falka, not Falka herself, duh.
I can remember you admiting plenty of times that you are a girl on EU1..But nvm..Yeah, and he obviously wasn't joking, it's not like he doesn't constantly have barely clothed females in his signature, or has been muted for posting "porn".
Yeah, and he obviously wasn't joking, it's not like he doesn't constantly have barely clothed females in his signature, or has been muted for posting "porn".
Even though it was for all the wrong reasons, einstein was a very good leader. He had an uncanny ability to Unite the people in a way never before seen in the history of Germany. He managed to bring Germany out of depression and brought new technologies and military advancements to Germany's army. einstein had studied ancient technologies and enlisted scientists to study and developed new technologies from these advancement. Many of military developments made by chocolate chip cookie Germany are still in use today as some of the most capable machines in history.
He eradicated unemployment of German people, and he brought their German pride back to them, after the loss of WW1, I`m pretty sure that if he had died before the WW2 , he would be probably the best leader Germany had.
Your view is tainted buddy..
Why not keep politics out of c-rpg..
I don`t like chocolate chip cookies, but I don`t like communists aswell.
Even though it was for all the wrong reasons, einstein was a very good leader. He had an uncanny ability to Unite the people in a way never before seen in the history of Germany. He managed to bring Germany out of depression and brought new technologies and military advancements to Germany's army. einstein had studied ancient technologies and enlisted scientists to study and developed new technologies from these advancement. Many of military developments made by chocolate chip cookie Germany are still in use today as some of the most capable machines in history.
He eradicated unemployment of German people, and he brought their German pride back to them, after the loss of WW1, I`m pretty sure that if he had died before the WW2 , he would be probably the best leader Germany had.
Your view is tainted buddy..
P.S : Waiting to be called a neo nazee for speaking the truth :lol:
Though, if I remember correctly, he gained that power legally, he was (and it seems still is) a threat for democracyYou say that like it's a bad thing. Nothing wrong about someone being a threat to retardcracy.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Nothing wrong about someone being a threat to retardcracy.
Retardcracy might actually work, if there was independent media and free journalism.And if my aunt had wheels she'd be a wagon.
I'd seriously like to blame only disinformation caused by media, but (un)fortunately we do have ways to inform ourselves; people should start assuming their responsibility too.
Disinformation by the media is not a problem, the problem is that most people aren't smart enough to see through the crap fed to them by more intelligent people.Its not always about intelligence and seeing through the crap. Some people are just closer to the source of certain information than others, knowing what really took place and how. If we take the actual extremes like FOX than in that case it is the question of intelligence.
Svaztika is a viking symbol rippoff. basicly certain germans 60 years ago apparently had a thing for vikings and thought they could wipe out 50mill innocent people cus of their skin color, belief or way of life. iPuke®Isnt it a symbol from asia for: the lands of the rising sun?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svaztika << had to spell it wrong due to nice mature censorship
Hi, I live in America and therefore have little knowledge of how to access unbiased information regarding current political happenings in the Mediterranean.http://www.vice.com/read/golden-dawn-camp-photos
Where can I find out what exactly the Golden Dawn are, who they stand for, what they stand for, and exactly how they behave, without there being some sort of massive bias toward or against it?
http://www.vice.com/read/golden-dawn-camp-photos
Now we know where panos learned hes godly melee skills :lol:
Hi, I live in America and therefore have little knowledge of how to access unbiased information regarding current political happenings in the Mediterranean.Greece maybe?
Where can I find out what exactly the Golden Dawn are, who they stand for, what they stand for, and exactly how they behave, without there being some sort of massive bias toward or against it?
oh look!
Akropolis was built some thousand years ago by Nazees!
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'Because if you rob people of their identity, if you rob them of their democracy, then all they are left with is nationalism and violence' - Nigel Farage, speaking to the EU parlament
Instead of just condemning the forces stirring in today's Greece - which would seem so easy for anyone not living there - perhaps we should understand it in the context of the country being first destroyed then enslaved economically, by the EU and the World Bank - in the literal sense.
This robbed the entirely innocent Greek People of many of both their civil and democratic rights, while being forced to watch greedy, corrupt politicians sell out their country, again in the literal sense, to unelected business executives and eurocrats, not entirely dissimilar to what has happened previously in the century. Golden Dawn had next to no influence before this collapse.
People are starving in the streets, society is replaced by an economic and unconstitutional prison, Golden Dawn has thus far been one of the few to offer any understanding of the people's grievances, offering support and food for the needy, emotional rhetoric to warm the cold and calm the rightly fearful - even if they've played for it politically, in the hope of a power grab. They've been the only ones, in the eyes of many Greeks, to seriously challenge what is perceived, and probably rightly so, as a foreign, hostile takeover of their country.
They are also nationalistic, violent and racist, in rhetoric aswell as action, and much more honest about their beliefs than most other right wingers. A textbook example of Germany in the 30s. And yet it doesn't seem so hard to understand why people are flocking beneath their banner, the situation and alternatives in mind. Many of their voters since their early obscurity come from not radical elements, people who may be afraid of and who do not agree with all the underlying fascism, but who sees Golden Dawn as the only party representing them, even if only to some extent.
being patriotic makes you an idiot?
Being at least somewhat patriotic creates healthy competition between nations, countries, etc, not just individuals
- whilst also giving an additional way to be individual, rather than being a part of a grey whole. Also hurts no one.
"Healthy competition" between nations generates unhealthy gang mentality, favoritism for your gang and a lack of progress due to resistance against "foreign ideas".
Also forces down additional societal norms because you have to conform to your national identity
"Healthy competition" between nations generates unhealthy gang mentality, favoritism for your gang and a lack of progress due to resistance against "foreign ideas".Let me use the helpful BOLD markup on my post.
Also forces down additional societal norms because you have to conform to your national identity
Being at least somewhat patriotic creates healthy competition between nations, countries, etc, not just individuals - whilst also giving an additional way to be individual, rather than being a part of a grey whole. Also hurts no one.
Being overly patriotic leads to massive retardation.
Let me use the helpful BOLD markup on my post.
So Panos doesn't like national socialist, but he still uses the party symbol of the Swedish party "Svenskarnas Parti" (The Swedish People's Party, kinda) as a profile pic, who used to call themselves "National Socialistic Front". Obvious chocolate chip cookie's are obvious.
PS. Be a man and stand up for what you believe in, instead of coming with excuses and shittalk.
My point is that even the slightest bit of patriotism is deeply rooted in stupidity. Why should you not be proud of good things happening to "other peoples" just as much as you are of "your people" ? You should be more intelligent and more adapted to your times than the tribal brain that was handed to you by your ancestors.
ahh your one of those guys :P i have/had a friend like you. everyone is a citizen of earth counties are stupid your super smart anyone with different opinion is stupid leftists should rule the world etc etc etc :P
Where did I state any opinions?
or you could just move to America, because we are Americans, and not Germans, Hungarians, swedish, Finnish, British, whatever, we are all just Americans.
Patriotism is a good thing, its what makes countries and people strive to be better then others, which creates progress, either social, economical, or scientific. You just be yourself, and be proud of who you are, wherever you live. If you decide you have to dumb yourself down to fit a norm, that you think your society accepts, maybe you should stop being a sheep, and be an individual. Just sounds like excuses to be some sort of emo anarchist or some shit.
You don`t deserve to be a Swedish, hopefully one day some crazy allahu akbar pricks will go jihad upon your ass , then we`ll see if your communist ideas save you.lol
That's okay, let idiots with no understanding of history and human social interaction larger than the basic family unit look down on "tribalism" as some sort of barbaric, obsolete mechanism of the past. The rest of the world will just keep turning along the same axis it always has, with people still being people.
There's no need to "refute" Kafein. His spiel is no more than opinion backed by nothing more than self-righteous moralism and some retarded ideal model of human interaction that has never existed except on paper and in the minds of naive intellectuals. You can't appeal to logic and rationality when it comes to large groupings of people. You want to destroy any sense of tribal identity in favour of some nebulous all-inclusive one? Go for it. We'll see how well it does against the fire, blood and passion of real tribalism. Good luck finding people willing to kill and die for "world peace" and "we are all the same, love and peace". We DO live in an "ancestral envinronment" still. We always will. You're only blind to it willingly.
And yes, this willigness to defend your identity to the death is still very much an important part of the world. You'd have to be very sheltered and ignorant to think there was some sort of big paragdim shift post-WW2 that makes people the world over more peaceful, less violent, less willing to break down along tribal lines (Falka). The context has changed, the people are the same. Get informed. I understand that pretending that violence and war is always detrimental has been hammered into your brain from a young age, while at the same (hypocrite and paradoxical) time it is only nuclear weapons and ridiculously advanced technological weaponry that ensures that all out war between developped countries is no longer profitable (assymetrical warfare is still as popular as ever though, the only difference is the losers don't tend to get completely wiped out or absorbed anymore). We DO live in an "ancestral envinronment" still. We always will. You're only blind to it willingly.
Like I said though, no worries. The vast majority of the world isn't so retarded that they are willingly destroying their tribalistic affiliations for some sort of martyrdom high. Developping and "third world" countries have much more practical and pragmatic philosophies, in that sense. Naive first-worlders seem to think their"one identity for all, we are all brothers and sisters wooo" idea is so self-evidently right that these tribes will eventually accept it outright, but that's only borne out by their complete ignorance of societies other than their own, ironically. So shit all over the ethnic, tribal, whatever, identity that your ancestors died and fought to perpetuate, denounce them all as backwards savages with no understanding of justice and equality, break and splinter it until it is no longer even identifiable. It will just get replaced by one as equally arbitrary and artificial. Just like it ALWAYS HAS, SINCE THE START OF HISTORY.
Yes, "backwards". Because things have changed so much, yes? It's not like every single generation in the world has thought that they were on the cusp on the next big thing. It's nothing more than narcissism writ large. Sorry, the age we are living in is nothing special. It's merely a continuation of the past. If you step back and look objectively there has been no big paragdim change beyond the introduction of weapons powerful enough to obliterate all civilizations world-wide. That's literally it.
And if there's anything I've learned from history , it's to be skeptical and critical of idealistic idiots claiming that with just this right combination of mores and ideals applied from the top down, people would finally be "free", or "happy", or act decently towards each other, or that there would be no war, or violence, or hatred. If and when their ideological constructs actually smash with reality, the results are, astonishingly (not), somewhat different.
lol
...maybe he just grab the girlfriend on her arse cuz drunk and now it's all "Arab vs Swedish"? :D
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This is a completely separate discussion from patriotism being stupid, by the way. Which is fine, but Oberyn used that as some sort of an awkward springboard to this current subject, hardcore straw-manning what Kafein said and what I was saying.
How is it a separate discussion? Patriotism is as stupid as any other tribal identification. If anything it's the most inclusive one we have, at the moment. Ethnicity, religion and politics are far more restrictive, in decreasing order, but it is often a mix of all 4 anyways.I'm not sure what your point is. You're saying patriotism is stupid, then? Not sure what the argument is supposed to be.
You say "problem", I say constant and normal feature that has been present in every human society that has ever existed. But then again, I don't have a fantastical checklist of how "things should be" to compare it to inside my head. Yup, the world isn't perfect, no matter how much you "don't want" it to be.
I don't watch the world cup or the Olympics. No interest whatsoever in watching other people play some pointless game, while pretending it's "us", "our team", and pretending like it's somehow partly my achievement whenever "my guy" or "my team" wins.
This pile of bullshit is so high, I would be surprised if you don't drown in it. Makes me rather speechless.
Classy?? Every accusation I make, it`s based on something, I don`t make it up neither I imagine things, you wanna call me a neo nazee? Be my guest, this won`t be the first time that I`ve been called that, but you can`t deny the fact that the majority of muslims in Europe, are good for nothing low life scumbags, living on wealthfare, stealing, beating, raping, and killing every beatiful country they live in.
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How is it a separate discussion? Patriotism is as stupid as any other tribal identification. If anything it's the most inclusive one we have, at the moment. Ethnicity, religion and politics are far more restrictive, in decreasing order, but it is often a mix of all 4 anyways.It's a separate discussion because Kafein didn't imply any belief in hardcore socialism (fucks sake, I made him wear a Ron Paul avatar once), nor did he imply that people getting over patriotism would save the world.
How is it a separate discussion? Patriotism is as stupid as any other tribal identification. If anything it's the most inclusive one we have, at the moment. Ethnicity, religion and politics are far more restrictive, in decreasing order, but it is often a mix of all 4 anyways.
Overrun is completely right. Humans have changed physiologically very little over the last 15,000 years so expecting us to drop our basic instinctual nature (which includes tribal association) is hopeless.Hardly. People have done it successfully and continue to do it successfully.
A lot of things have changed since the industrial revolution. There's one "invention" in particular, you should know about. It's called credit/debt money. If you don't know what it is, you should google it and ask yourself, if you can compare today's capitalism with "capitalism" before the 20th century. In short, our money by itself is worthless today, because you can't convert it to gold anymore. It is just a sort of debt agreement and can be printed with no limits. Money always enters the system as debt. For every credit there is the obligation to pay interest rates that can only be paid with more debt, if you look at the whole system. What do you get? Exponentially growing debt and interest claims that accumulate in the public (that's us) balances - modern slavery.
edit: forgot to mention, the ones who always profit (although it actually goes without saying) are the privately owned banks. Because they don't just gamble like mad on the free market, they also give out the credits and keep the interest. They get it as a credit from the central banks (almost out of thin air) at low interests and pass it on at a high interests. And if you can't pay, they get your house or whatever securities you have. I know, it's common knowledge - but I wouldn't be surprised if there were people here who don't know...
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginYou almost want to think that Antiblitz is parodying himself, it's hard to believe that anyone would manage to squeeze all those things into one sentence.. and based on nothing as well.
It's a separate discussion because Kafein didn't imply any belief in hardcore socialism (fucks sake, I made him wear a Ron Paul avatar once), nor did he imply that people getting over patriotism would save the world.
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'In Saudi Arabia, where the oil resources constitute a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history, a concession covering this oil is nominally in American control.'
I'm not sure what your point is. You're saying patriotism is stupid, then? Not sure what the argument is supposed to be.
I'm saying it's the way it is, as inevitable as sunshine and rain and human stupidity. And that these mechanisms of tribal association did not happen in a fucking vaccuum, that they are an obvious evolutionary addaptation, that they exist for a reason, that reason being the same basic one every single living organism pursues: self-perpetuation. Saying you're above it all and showing to your own satisfaction how enlightened you are is all well and good, but it changes nothing.Obviously they're an evolutionary adaptation, as is everything else. But now that humanity has developed self-awareness, humans no longer need to be the slaves of evolutionary adaptations. Tribalism was a fitness advantage in the ancestral environment; doesn't mean you have to keep letting it run your life.
Obviously they're an evolutionary adaptation, as is everything else. But now that humanity has developed self-awareness, humans no longer need to be the slaves of evolutionary adaptations. Tribalism was a fitness advantage in the ancestral environment; doesn't mean you have to keep letting it run your life.
Just being self-aware does not preclude being subject to evolutionary pressures. A group posessing the same language and culture and above all a large number of adherents is most definetely a fitness advantage in the modern world...same way it's always been.No, being self-aware does obviously not preclude one from being subject to evolutionary pressures, as is evident enough. What it gives you is a fighting chance, and every individual of sufficient intelligence has the possibility of deciding against the primal instincts. I never said tribalism isn't a fitness advantage in the modern world, it's just irrelevant whether it is or isn't.
Well it's easy to say that from a position of relative comfort. In many parts of the world a tightly knit group is an immediate necessity, not just a potential one. Having the luxury to opt out is only possible in small areas of the globe, and only recently. Who can say for how long the streak will last.You know, I'm not even sure what you're trying to debate here. Obviously you seem to be of the opinion now that it is possible to "opt out" of tribalism. Yet, before you mentioned that being self-aware doesn't preclude you from evolutionary pressures. I took that to mean that you thought people aren't capable of reasoning themselves out of irrational behavior like it, but it seems not? So what are you actually trying to say here? That tribalism is useful in some third world countries? That's more than debatable, but that was never under discussion here, was it? Unless England is one of these areas of the globe where having a tight knit group is an immediate necessity.
The way I see it even in the indolent and safe first world a sense of communal identity is a sure safety net. When the shit hits the fan, that's the first thing people turn to for support.
Are you talking about evolutionary pressure in the literal sense, or socio-evolutionary pressure - group vs group, if you will?Or perhaps the paragdim shift whence it was augurred that the tabula rasa theory was hitherto not averred, but taken to the abattoir for the nonce; the whole substratum was found unconscionable and abstruse, its substitute so far withstanding the assiduous probing despite the no-doubt pernicious perennial effects.
Or perhaps the paragdim shift whence it was augurred that the tabula rasa theory was hitherto not averred, but taken to the abattoir for the nonce; the whole substratum was found unconscionable and abstruse, its substitute so far withstanding the assiduous probing despite the no-doubt pernicious perennial effects.That would have been my next guess, obviously.
I don't care about your personal attacks and assumptions. I won't go down on that level with you. Not when talking about something as serious as this, at least. That's what people do as a last resort, when they are wrong or simply don't know the first thing about debating.I'm not gonna list all the serious human rights violations that existed and still exist in this world (including genocides), which never got any attention or intervention from the US, UN or anyone. But if you want to think your government was only interested in liberating the population of Iraq, Afghanistan and Co., then yes, I think you are very naive. I don't hate or blame you though :wink:
edit: Lol, I actually read your post now. The first time I stopped somewhere after your first ranting and assumed you would have said the humane thing to say and replied accordingly to be done with it. After reading your actual position, I'm kinda speechless. Something like you can't insult me.
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Benefiting your country from world affairs is what must be done when the world literally depends on you making it revolve.
are u srs
and cmp, who interacts with his consumers as well as he develops games, way to go pal, keep driving em away, you're doing great.
Well then, what are you waiting for?
pls don't cmp, I want more dramaDidn't we already have enough?
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you dont have any of my money, so........go fuck yourself, was that what you wanted bud? was that what you were looking for? because thats the answer im going to give. I dont care what your supposed title is, im not going to cram my head up your ass to please you.
on a lighter note, you are trying to be a developer, make money, and maybe should work on your public relation skills, or elect someone else to do the talking on your behalf.
As far as I know for a lot people straight forward, rough devs are prefered instead of arselickers - especially in indie games. So even if he scares one retard away, he might win over two non-retards for that deed. The "please everyone, no matter how stupid as long they have money" doctrine is kinda bland.
using oil as a scapegoat is the catch all argument winner, everything is always about oil with the U.S right? well of course if you have the opportunity to benefit from war, you will grab the reigns and make sure you get it, but to say we just fire up wars all over oil is silly. Benefiting your country from world affairs is what must be done when the world literally depends on you making it revolve.I never said all US wars were about oil, rather it is about control and domination of other countries, like any other imperial power before it, for example the European major powers in the colonial age. Could we at least be honest to ourselves about this? I'm not out to bash the US in particular, I'm just pointing out universal laws regarding states in an international hierarchy and standard empire policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#2010.E2.80.93present
Just look at that link, not even 95% of those operations included oil as a war goal.
Scary? Why? :twisted: