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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #135 on: November 09, 2013, 12:41:50 am »
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So Panos doesn't like national socialist, but he still uses the party symbol of the Swedish party "Svenskarnas Parti" (The Swedish People's Party, kinda) as a profile pic, who used to call themselves "National Socialistic Front". Obvious chocolate chip cookie's are obvious.

PS. Be a man and stand up for what you believe in, instead of coming with excuses and shittalk.


You don`t deserve to be a Swedish, hopefully one day some crazy allahu akbar pricks will go jihad upon your ass , then we`ll see if your communist ideas save you.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #136 on: November 09, 2013, 01:15:34 am »
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My point is that even the slightest bit of patriotism is deeply rooted in stupidity. Why should you not be proud of good things happening to "other peoples" just as much as you are of "your people" ? You should be more intelligent and more adapted to your times than the tribal brain that was handed to you by your ancestors.


ahh your one of those guys :P i have/had a friend like you. everyone is a citizen of earth counties are stupid your super smart anyone with different opinion is stupid leftists should rule the world etc etc etc :P
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #137 on: November 09, 2013, 02:00:42 am »
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What Kafein is trying to say is that countries as boundaries used in grouping people is dumb, since there are only three kinds of people, the rich, those trying to get rich, and the hopeless fucks.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #138 on: November 09, 2013, 02:22:27 am »
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ahh your one of those guys :P i have/had a friend like you. everyone is a citizen of earth counties are stupid your super smart anyone with different opinion is stupid leftists should rule the world etc etc etc :P

You can't refute what Kafein said, though. You're letting the government exploit your desire to have a "tribe" and control you with that for their own gain. How could it ever be good to have irrational parrot-ic feelings? We don't live in the ancestral environment anymore, we (well some humans at least) can now see the strings of the puppeteer and understand the logic behind them, and we're no longer forced to be only puppets. But some people seem to be okay with being ruled by their System 1 thinking and the government in about equal measure.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #139 on: November 09, 2013, 02:41:11 am »
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yes bad govt how dare they exploit our desire to be english!

World cup is coming up soon and for sure ill be supporting England but i suppose you want it banned because were all the same countries are bad mkay? You can call me stupid you can call me tribal and not invite me to any omg im superior to everyone else meetings but guess what Humans are different! I am English i have an English culture i am very different to a french person or a German and not just in language. I wont understand most of their jokes or cultural references i wont know what they mean a lot of the time do i still talk to them and enjoy their company? sure i will. do i find it instantly easier to talk to a Brit well ofc i do. Humanity has lots of different cultures or tribes. The day we lose that and become one race on culture all treated the same all ruled by one govt all star trek like is the day humanity fails imo. call me dumb call me ignorant its our differences that make us interesting.

 believe it or not holding a different opinion doesn't make you superior. Believing you are superior because you hold a different opinion just makes you an ass and sound just like naazees etc. Hopefully ill be long dead before any kind of EU or world superstate takes shape because frankly i cant relate to most people on this planet tis just life i guess. am i a racist? nope do i think english people are more important or deserve any more rights or respect than anyone else? sure don't. doesn't mean im stupid slave to the system etc because i believe differently to you. (might not make sense i have been drinking)
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #140 on: November 09, 2013, 02:48:20 am »
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Where did I state any opinions?
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #141 on: November 09, 2013, 02:58:25 am »
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Where did I state any opinions?

Xant the whole forum doesnt revolve around you, he neither quoted you, nor said your name.  He just posted, chill man, he posted after you, and he is voicing his opinion, more then likely towards Kafein.

Dont be grumpy boss, just sayin.

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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #142 on: November 09, 2013, 03:01:39 am »
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He had already responded to Kafein and posted after me. It's rather obvious.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #143 on: November 09, 2013, 08:44:13 am »
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or you could just move to America, because we are Americans, and not Germans, Hungarians, swedish, Finnish, British, whatever, we are all just Americans.

Patriotism is a good thing, its what makes countries and people strive to be better then others, which creates progress, either social, economical, or scientific.  You just be yourself, and be proud of who you are, wherever you live.  If you decide you have to dumb yourself down to fit a norm, that you think your society accepts, maybe you should stop being a sheep, and be an individual.  Just sounds like excuses to be some sort of emo anarchist or some shit.


We aren't all American. We are just too scared to stand up to you and your imperialsitic and extortionary politics, every time you bully, exploit or attack "weaker" nations under false pretenses. I think your time will soon be over, though. The capitalism you love so much has crippled your state to the point where you are bankrupt. Your public debts (measured against GDP) has reached Greek proportions. You know what you should do? End the charade and do the patriotic thing: get rid of your government altogether and let banks and corporations rule your country officially. Your founding fathers, as well as many great "socialistic" leaders and authors, warned you about the power of the capital and of international corporations. Some of your presidents tried to fight it and ended up dead. You lost the class war without even noticing it, that's how well you are being brain washed. You think you live in a democracy and don't realize how capitalism is any democracy's antagonist. And the balance between the two is completely broken by now. You could demand your public property back, so the profits can be invested in the people and country. But for some reason, you still believe the world to be better, when the profits generated by the common workers are kept by the capitalists for global investment gaming. They don't even pay their fair share in taxes, if they can avoid it or find a country that lets them exploit the public even better. They take zero resposibility for society. And if they tried, they wouldn't be competitive. System fail.

On second thought, the US probably won't go down, after all. The capital still needs you to defend, spread and further deregulate its playgrounds around the world. It will keep you alive just enough to do that - no unnecessary spending for social systems, of course.

If you think nations should try and be "better" than others, you should read Hilters "Mein Kampf". You would like it. Competition does indeed bring technological and economical advances faster, while it ruins any social achievements (and the environment) in the process. In capitalism, human rights are an obstacle that needs to be avoided, in your noble worldwide quest for the cheapest price. Exploit or perish and be assimilated by your rivals! In the end, all but one have fallen. Competition, yay! And as an investor, always bet on the most ruthless slave-drivers. Don't, under any circumstances, invest in the poor and hungry. That's a money sink, so where is the point?

Patriotism and religion are the best and easiest ways to mobilize the masses, give them an easy explanation they can understand and live with, and hide your real motivations as a leader. Just take 9/11 (wether it was an inside or outside job, I don't know). The masses wanted war so badly afterwards, that it didn't even matter wether the countries that were attacked, had anything to do with it. Bush, Rumsfeld and Co. then went to the UN and shamelessly lied about supposed "weapons of mass destruction" etc., so they can have their war. They extorted nations into their "Coalition of the Willing". Today, we know it was all a big scam, but do you care? Countless common people got killed in a war for ressources, influence of the dollar, the domestic war industries, speculations etc, to benefit the capitalists. How is that possible? With patriotism. You just need to know, that you are the good guys and you bravely fought an "Axis of Evil". The rest is fancy gibberish.

You know what's the good thing about the US regime compared to other oligarchies? The pseudo-democratic seperation of power and representatives. The representatives commit the crimes, but once they retire, there is nobody left to blame. Meanwhile, the powerful dynasties behind the curtain stay out of sight and continue to do their politics. Even better, people will believe they actually had a choice.

I suggest YOU stop being a sheep and get informed. And don't try and discredit people personally with "emo and shit", because they understand something and you don't.
Btw, for a nation with less than 250 years of history and culture, you are pretty full of yourselves. If anything, you are Europeans.


edit: I just re-read your post and I guess I completely misunderstood your meaning when stating "we are all americans". Sorry about that  :oops:
That doesn't change anything about the patriotism-part... or the rest. Though it was a little uncalled for, I guess.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #144 on: November 09, 2013, 09:01:53 am »
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That's okay, let idiots with no understanding of history and human social interaction larger than the basic family unit look down on "tribalism" as some sort of barbaric, obsolete mechanism of the past. The rest of the world will just keep turning along the same axis it always has, with people still being people.

There's no need to "refute" Kafein. His spiel is no more than opinion backed by nothing more than self-righteous moralism and some retarded ideal model of human interaction that has never existed except on paper and in the minds of naive intellectuals. You can't appeal to logic and rationality when it comes to large groupings of people. You want to destroy any sense of tribal identity in favour of some nebulous all-inclusive one? Go for it. We'll see how well it does against the fire, blood and passion of real tribalism. Good luck finding people willing to kill and die for "world peace" and "we are all the same, love and peace". We DO live in an "ancestral envinronment" still. We always will. You're only blind to it willingly.

 And yes, this willigness to defend your identity to the death is still very much an important part of the world. You'd have to be very sheltered and ignorant to think there was some sort of big paragdim shift post-WW2 that makes people the world over more peaceful, less violent, less willing to break down along tribal lines (Falka). The context has changed, the people are the same. Get informed. I understand that pretending that violence and war is always detrimental has been hammered into your brain from a young age, while at the same (hypocrite and paradoxical) time it is only nuclear weapons and ridiculously advanced technological weaponry that ensures that all out war between developped countries is no longer profitable (assymetrical warfare is still as popular as ever though, the only difference is the losers don't tend to get completely wiped out or absorbed anymore). We DO live in an "ancestral envinronment" still. We always will. You're only blind to it willingly.

Like I said though, no worries. The vast majority of the world isn't so retarded that they are willingly destroying their tribalistic affiliations for some sort of martyrdom high. Developping and "third world" countries have much more practical and pragmatic philosophies, in that sense. Naive first-worlders seem to think their"one identity for all, we are all brothers and sisters wooo" idea is so self-evidently right that these tribes will eventually accept it outright, but that's only borne out by their complete ignorance of societies other than their own, ironically. So shit all over the ethnic, tribal, whatever, identity that your ancestors died and fought to perpetuate, denounce them all as backwards savages with no understanding of justice and equality, break and splinter it until it is no longer even identifiable. It will just get replaced by one as equally arbitrary and artificial. Just like it ALWAYS HAS, SINCE THE START OF HISTORY.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #145 on: November 09, 2013, 09:03:01 am »
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You don`t deserve to be a Swedish, hopefully one day some crazy allahu akbar pricks will go jihad upon your ass , then we`ll see if your communist ideas save you.
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...maybe he just grab the girlfriend on her arse cuz drunk and now it's all "Arab vs Swedish"? :D

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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #146 on: November 09, 2013, 09:12:16 am »
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That's okay, let idiots with no understanding of history and human social interaction larger than the basic family unit look down on "tribalism" as some sort of barbaric, obsolete mechanism of the past. The rest of the world will just keep turning along the same axis it always has, with people still being people.

There's no need to "refute" Kafein. His spiel is no more than opinion backed by nothing more than self-righteous moralism and some retarded ideal model of human interaction that has never existed except on paper and in the minds of naive intellectuals. You can't appeal to logic and rationality when it comes to large groupings of people. You want to destroy any sense of tribal identity in favour of some nebulous all-inclusive one? Go for it. We'll see how well it does against the fire, blood and passion of real tribalism. Good luck finding people willing to kill and die for "world peace" and "we are all the same, love and peace". We DO live in an "ancestral envinronment" still. We always will. You're only blind to it willingly.

 And yes, this willigness to defend your identity to the death is still very much an important part of the world. You'd have to be very sheltered and ignorant to think there was some sort of big paragdim shift post-WW2 that makes people the world over more peaceful, less violent, less willing to break down along tribal lines (Falka). The context has changed, the people are the same. Get informed. I understand that pretending that violence and war is always detrimental has been hammered into your brain from a young age, while at the same (hypocrite and paradoxical) time it is only nuclear weapons and ridiculously advanced technological weaponry that ensures that all out war between developped countries is no longer profitable (assymetrical warfare is still as popular as ever though, the only difference is the losers don't tend to get completely wiped out or absorbed anymore). We DO live in an "ancestral envinronment" still. We always will. You're only blind to it willingly.

Like I said though, no worries. The vast majority of the world isn't so retarded that they are willingly destroying their tribalistic affiliations for some sort of martyrdom high. Developping and "third world" countries have much more practical and pragmatic philosophies, in that sense. Naive first-worlders seem to think their"one identity for all, we are all brothers and sisters wooo" idea is so self-evidently right that these tribes will eventually accept it outright, but that's only borne out by their complete ignorance of societies other than their own, ironically. So shit all over the ethnic, tribal, whatever, identity that your ancestors died and fought to perpetuate, denounce them all as backwards savages with no understanding of justice and equality, break and splinter it until it is no longer even identifiable. It will just get replaced by one as equally arbitrary and artificial. Just like it ALWAYS HAS, SINCE THE START OF HISTORY.

You sir, are a visionary! Keep looking backwards! Not to learn from it, but to stick with it.

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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #147 on: November 09, 2013, 09:22:22 am »
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Yes, "backwards". Because things have changed so much, yes? It's not like every single generation in the world has thought that they were on the cusp on the next big thing. It's nothing more than narcissism writ large. Sorry, the age we are living in is nothing special. It's merely a continuation of the past. If you step back and look objectively there has been no big paragdim change beyond the introduction of weapons powerful enough to obliterate all civilizations world-wide. That's literally it.
And if there's anything I've learned from history , it's to be skeptical and critical of idealistic idiots claiming that with just this right combination of mores and ideals applied from the top down, people would finally be "free", or "happy", or act decently towards each other, or that there would be no war, or violence, or hatred. If and when their ideological constructs actually smash with reality, the results are, astonishingly (not), somewhat different.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #148 on: November 09, 2013, 09:36:24 am »
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You're arguing against a straw man, Oberyn. Kafein never made most of those claims.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #149 on: November 09, 2013, 09:37:00 am »
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Yes, "backwards". Because things have changed so much, yes? It's not like every single generation in the world has thought that they were on the cusp on the next big thing. It's nothing more than narcissism writ large. Sorry, the age we are living in is nothing special. It's merely a continuation of the past. If you step back and look objectively there has been no big paragdim change beyond the introduction of weapons powerful enough to obliterate all civilizations world-wide. That's literally it.
And if there's anything I've learned from history , it's to be skeptical and critical of idealistic idiots claiming that with just this right combination of mores and ideals applied from the top down, people would finally be "free", or "happy", or act decently towards each other, or that there would be no war, or violence, or hatred. If and when their ideological constructs actually smash with reality, the results are, astonishingly (not), somewhat different.

You do what everyone does. You don't talk about the ideas. You generalize, so you don't have to.

Nothing has changed other than the invention of the bomb? Are you serious? Our technological advances have enabled us to run an economy powerful enough to supply the whole world with food and everything else to fulfill the basic human needs - IF we wanted. Instead we sit back, let the markets sort it all out and watch how virtually an entire continent is starving, while a tiny minority is parasitically living in perverse luxury. The thing is, these problems are inherent in the system. That's why I want it changed. You may be a cynic and don't care about justice and ethics, but I do. If that makes me an idealist, then I'm proud to be one. I don't want to accept a world that revolves solely around profit. I think it corrupts the human mind and needs to be overcome.

If it means, I have to wait two years longer for the invention of Google-Glasses and cybernetic implants, and save money for twice as long before I can afford them, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
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