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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #165 on: November 09, 2013, 01:19:58 pm »
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How is it a separate discussion? Patriotism is as stupid as any other tribal identification. If anything it's the most inclusive one we have, at the moment. Ethnicity, religion and politics are far more restrictive, in decreasing order, but it is often a mix of all 4 anyways.

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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #166 on: November 09, 2013, 03:14:21 pm »
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Overrun is completely right. Humans have changed physiologically very little over the last 15,000 years so expecting us to drop our basic instinctual nature (which includes tribal association) is hopeless.

However the current system is completely unsustainable and when (not if) it collapses and billions die off hopefully the next incarnation of civilization won't be so shortsighted.

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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #167 on: November 09, 2013, 04:13:41 pm »
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Overrun is completely right. Humans have changed physiologically very little over the last 15,000 years so expecting us to drop our basic instinctual nature (which includes tribal association) is hopeless.
Hardly. People have done it successfully and continue to do it successfully.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #168 on: November 09, 2013, 04:28:40 pm »
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A lot of things have changed since the industrial revolution. There's one "invention" in particular, you should know about. It's called credit/debt money. If you don't know what it is, you should google it and ask yourself, if you can compare today's capitalism with "capitalism" before the 20th century. In short, our money by itself is worthless today, because you can't convert it to gold anymore. It is just a sort of debt agreement and can be printed with no limits. Money always enters the system as debt. For every credit there is the obligation to pay interest rates that can only be paid with more debt, if you look at the whole system. What do you get? Exponentially growing debt and interest claims that accumulate in the public (that's us) balances - modern slavery.

edit: forgot to mention, the ones who always profit (although it actually goes without saying) are the privately owned banks. Because they don't just gamble like mad on the free market, they also give out the credits and keep the interest. They get it as a credit from the central banks (almost out of thin air) at low interests and pass it on at high interests. And if you can't pay, they get your house or whatever securities you have. I know, it's common knowledge - but I wouldn't be surprised if there were people here who don't know...
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #169 on: November 09, 2013, 04:52:58 pm »
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Just out of curiosity, i would like to hear your input on these because i assume you, War ferret, must have a low paying job, IF any at all, blames the government for your problems, still lives with parents, must not be a very productive member of society. 

I'm the Shepherd, i work for the government lol, i seem to not see any of the problems you see. 


Btw:
we produce the most oil in the world, soo, we aren't attacking little Iraq for oil, therefore, ya, well you get it
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/us-oil-pira-idUSL1N0I51IX20131015 
Even if this is years afterwards, it still applies.

Let me give you a map, a list of the times i will be at each spot, and tell you i hid your bags of crack at each location with your name on it, let me know if u get caught.  But hey im not saying they didn't have the stuff, quite a possibility really, but considering you just assume everything must be some sort of government conspiracy really tells the person you are, so i need not really try and explain anything to you, because to you, i'm the enemy, and some apparent blind sheep, who never saw the light like you.

"The fifth president of Iraq, Saddam Hussein[1], was internationally known for his use of chemical weapons in the 1980s against Iranian and Kurdish civilians during and after the Iran–Iraq War. In the 1980s he pursued an extensive biological weapons program and a nuclear weapons program, though no nuclear bomb was built.

After the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War, the United Nations located and destroyed large quantities of Iraqi chemical weapons and related equipment and materials throughout the early 1990s, with varying degrees of Iraqi cooperation and obstruction.[2] In response to diminishing Iraqi cooperation with UNSCOM, the United States called for withdrawal of all UN and IAEA inspectors in 1998, resulting in Operation Desert Fox."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

I'm sorry bud, but once you are a known drug addict, you are always a know drug addict, clean or not, your reputation is tarnished, and you will always be assumed to have drugs, if this relates in any way, probably does.

When a crime is committed whether it be to you, someone else, or the government, people want justice.  They want the person who committed the act held responsible for his actions, what did you expect to happen when you kill thousands of people?  If the government did not act over what had happened then they would have committed political suicide, you would have lost the support of the people believing in the governments ability, and that was not going to happen.  So war, was inevitable, and anyone in the way of it was cannon fodder, sorry Afghanistan, sorry Iraq, should have played nicer, they knew what was coming, they knew the inevitable.  Either way, did we leave the place any better then we found it? idk, we will see with time, hopefully 50 years from now, they will be productive countries, which benefit the world.  Either way, patriotism or not, the need to act was there, and they acted upon it, it didn't take Patriots to pull the trigger, just people with intelligence, which isn't you.

So in turn, being Enlightened, doesn't make you intelligent.



A lot of things have changed since the industrial revolution. There's one "invention" in particular, you should know about. It's called credit/debt money. If you don't know what it is, you should google it and ask yourself, if you can compare today's capitalism with "capitalism" before the 20th century. In short, our money by itself is worthless today, because you can't convert it to gold anymore. It is just a sort of debt agreement and can be printed with no limits. Money always enters the system as debt. For every credit there is the obligation to pay interest rates that can only be paid with more debt, if you look at the whole system. What do you get? Exponentially growing debt and interest claims that accumulate in the public (that's us) balances - modern slavery.

edit: forgot to mention, the ones who always profit (although it actually goes without saying) are the privately owned banks. Because they don't just gamble like mad on the free market, they also give out the credits and keep the interest. They get it as a credit from the central banks (almost out of thin air) at low interests and pass it on at a high interests. And if you can't pay, they get your house or whatever securities you have. I know, it's common knowledge - but I wouldn't be surprised if there were people here who don't know...

yes, im going to continue discrediting you, because, well you're a dumbass.  Please go be enlightened with your other buds in real life, because on here, you are a fucktard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #170 on: November 09, 2013, 05:05:01 pm »
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"I'm sorry bud, but once you are a known drug addict"

Yeah. US is largest consumer of oil.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #171 on: November 09, 2013, 05:05:43 pm »
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I don't care about your personal attacks and assumptions. I won't go down on that level with you. Not when talking about something as serious as this, at least. That's what people do as a last resort, when they are wrong or simply don't know the first thing about debating.

I'm not gonna list all the serious human rights violations that existed and still exist in this world (including genocides), which never got any attention or intervention from the US, UN or anyone. But if you want to think your government was only interested in liberating the population of Iraq, Afghanistan and Co., then yes, I think you are very naive. I don't hate or blame you though  :wink:


edit: Lol, I actually read your post now. The first time I stopped somewhere after your first ranting and assumed you would have said the humane thing to say and replied accordingly to be done with it. After reading your actual position, I'm kinda speechless. Something like you can't insult me.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #172 on: November 09, 2013, 05:09:00 pm »
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I have to say that I'm against any extremism, right or left but I support their right to believe in that extremism because this is a democracy but without going so far, without killing people or using violence for those ideals.

Also, here is the video of the assassination, if you see the guy that shoots, looks like a professional and looks like he shot before against someone else... this is very strange...

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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #173 on: November 09, 2013, 05:10:58 pm »
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #174 on: November 09, 2013, 05:25:55 pm »
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #175 on: November 09, 2013, 05:45:47 pm »
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accidental post... wanted to edit  :oops:

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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #176 on: November 09, 2013, 06:07:03 pm »
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You almost want to think that Antiblitz is parodying himself, it's hard to believe that anyone would manage to squeeze all those things into one sentence.. and based on nothing as well.
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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #177 on: November 09, 2013, 06:10:01 pm »
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It's a separate discussion because Kafein didn't imply any belief in hardcore socialism (fucks sake, I made him wear a Ron Paul avatar once), nor did he imply that people getting over patriotism would save the world.





















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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #178 on: November 09, 2013, 06:18:38 pm »
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@AntiBlitz,

First of all Saddam was an official US ally all throughout his worst atrocities, including the war with Iran, the brutal, oppressive dictatorship, the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds and similar massacres, in fact that is where he got both the approval (yes, unlike today this was a time shortly after the first Gulf War where nothing on this scale happened in the region outside US control), weapons and weapons programmes, up and until the attack on Kuwait. There even was a civil and military coup attempt against him but the US refused to aid the rebels, and continued to support the murderous regime as long as it served US economic and political interests.

This went on especially through the Reagan years until those same people came back into government (the Bush administration(s)), and where good ol' Saddam now suddenly was an outcast, enemy to the World society and a terrorist. Thus it cannot be for 'democracy', 'Iraqi freedom' or whatever other contrived propaganda that has been spewed to manufacture consent. It is simply self-contradictory and facts to the contrary are well-documented in the historical record. And we all know it was against international law and that the first, incredibly weak premise for war (WMDs) were an utter farce. The US also has an unflinching record of supporting dictatorships over democracies, as they are easier to control, especially all over the Middle East and South America, but also in Africa and Asia, from the Apartheid regime in South Africa and to the various despots of Indo China.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2402174/CIA-helped-Saddam-Hussein-make-chemical-weapons-attack-Iran-1988-Ronald-Reagan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

Secondly, the Iraq war was about oil (and other things of course but mostly oil), more specific the control of oil. This is from the mouths of US policy makers themselves. We have learned from declassified government documents from among others the Truman, Carter, Reagan, Nixon, Kennedy, Clinton and Bush administrations, that the control of Middle East oil is and has been a core strategic principle for US world domination (yes, world domination is a US principle, too) since WWII destruction of Europe brought about a chance for American hegemony (for a time).

It is as you correctly point out not about using the oil for American consumption but more importantly the diplomatic leverage gained from controlling one of the world's largest concentrations of oil.


In a 1945 memorandum to President Truman written by the Chief of the Division of Near Eastern Affairs in the U.S State Department, Gordon Merriam, stated:

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'In Saudi Arabia, where the oil resources constitute a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history, a concession covering this oil is nominally in American control.'


Albert A. Berle, one of Franklin Roosevelt’s closest advisers, particularly in relation to the construction of the post-War world, years later remarked that controlling the oil reserves of the Middle East would mean obtaining: 'substantial control of the world'.




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Re: No need to be mad
« Reply #179 on: November 09, 2013, 06:57:19 pm »
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Oberyn - I remember those pictures of you hanging out with some chicks in a bar but I still think you're doing too little of that and too much of reading, writing, arguing & caring about politics and similar crap. More chicks, less Xants, Panos' & Oberyns.
Do you honestly think you have any sort of moral authority, Reyiz? Go genocide some more armenians and deny it ever happened, please, and stay in the middle east.
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