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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 12:05:45 am

Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 12:05:45 am
http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/yogscast-and-their-jokes/msg881481/#msg881481

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well they are kind of hiding themselves from the wrath of hate by disabling the comments, so i would apply cowardice to them.  If they knew the comment was going to cause hatred, maybe they shouldnt have made it.
-Antiblitz

Said shortly before Antiblitz locked his own thread because he didn't like the kind of comments that were being posted.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Miwiw on October 25, 2013, 12:24:12 am
He locked the thread because we are not able to discuss. We should live with that, Xant. It cannot be wrong.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 25, 2013, 01:13:57 am
no please lets discuss it some more, i dont mind beating a dead horse some more.  Lets make another 5 pages about how im racist, and a a weak human being, almost as if everything that could be said wasnt said already in the 5 pages.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: LordBerenger on October 25, 2013, 02:49:53 am
no please lets discuss it some more, i dont mind beating a dead horse some more.  Lets make another 5 pages about how im racist, and a a weak human being, almost as if everything that could be said wasnt said already in the 5 pages.

You are a racist dead horse
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: SixThumbs on October 25, 2013, 02:53:21 am
You're also terrible at cRPG and I'm livid whenever I see you at the bottom of the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Life on October 25, 2013, 03:10:55 am
Antiblitz, your a total racist!!

(jumping on the bandwagon)




(whats going on..?)
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Christo on October 25, 2013, 03:17:46 am
The previous thread was a nice read, although I didn't really know what to post in it.

Anyway Antiblitz, did someone close to you die in 9/11? Otherwise, I don't get it why you take it so personally.

So, someone insignificant on the internet, youtube did some joke about 9/11 or something? Wake up, it happened 12 years ago, you act like it's the 1st time people make jokes about misery. Look at WW2 jokes for an example.

Man up.

seriously, stop being so murican, sell some of your many guns and grab some eye-opening books maybe?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 25, 2013, 04:21:08 am
The previous thread was a nice read, although I didn't really know what to post in it.

Anyway Antiblitz, did someone close to you die in 9/11? Otherwise, I don't get it why you take it so personally.

So, someone insignificant on the internet, youtube did some joke about 9/11 or something? Wake up, it happened 12 years ago, you act like it's the 1st time people make jokes about misery. Look at WW2 jokes for an example.

Man up.

seriously, stop being so murican, sell some of your many guns and grab some eye-opening books maybe?

Please read this as neutrally as possible, im not trying to preach(well at one  point, yes maybe i was, but only after i felt as though, i was talking to a wall, or rather just Tiberius) or force my view upon you as much as just compare our opinions with discussion, i just wanted a honest conversation on the matter.  If you take time to just sit down and think about it, its rude to make comments towards someone like that, you could harm someone.  That was my view on it, i dont like to see people harmed, i myself found it offensive, though maybe not to the same degree as someone closer to the event might of felt.  Was it enough to make me unsubscribe? well no, actually i went on later that night and watched a few more videos lol.  And looking at it from a purely business aspect, i dont think its smart to throw out bad jokes at someones expense, this could harm sales, and the reputation, similar to why Russel Brand was dismissed from the event.  Making those comments when they werent wanted or when people were caught off guard by it was what i think is wrong, people dont watch the Yogscast videos because they were hoping to hear some 9/11 jokes, quite the contrary, i was hoping to see how badly they failed playing simple games like minecraft.

I tried to throw multiple analogies to show several sides to the story,as to get every angle to show that we all know the social boundaries, and we just dont cross them simply out of respect towards one another.  There was no attempt at racism, that was not the case whatsoever, it was to do nothing more than have multiple concepts of the matter in hopes that one of the many might apply towards you simply because you can relate to the situation i spoke of.

I tried to show cause as to why people might feel the same way i did over the matter, using things such as other past events, or geographical location, however i think this was also overlooked in the wake of slander.

I hoped that more discussion similar to what Tennenoth stated would come out of it, or even Angantyr, though instead i was met with simple one liners, one after another, people essentially just begging for approval from the community because they could not stand out and just form their own opinion with thought.  Im not asking to bring down the Man! or rather two brits, with this post, if that was the case, id be spamming mails to Kotaku, or other gaming media sources, instead i was asking for thoughtful opinions from other individuals, related happenings with personal story, or an opinion on how you viewed the joke.  Idk about you, but i feel like everyone always reads a post angrily, like as if every post made is done with inward angled eyebrows and a evil laugh, lol, idk why we do this, even my initial post was just a neutral statement, i just dont think it was taken that away.

To answer your post on a closer level Christo, i simply was just a few years away from starting the Fire Academy, all my training, all the people who spoke to us, all the extra levels of security measures, and random other crap i had to endure because of it left an everlasting taste in my mouth about the event.  Not to mention how this effected my family being in the same career paths as i now, i watched them go through the same things i would later endure myself.  This continued into other careers that furthered my patriotic views towards my country, and my willing to want to shield or not let others be harmed, its simply what i do for a living, i dont like seeing people harmed, i try and help them.  Maybe this psychologically was an opinion built by nothing more than propaganda and brainwashing from training, but throwing a joke about something like that, though i said before, was light in some respects, is a bad joke none the less, and was only on a derailment to cause harm from the minute it was spoken.  So why speak it?  btw Christo, i do read books as well, actually im currently just starting "The things they carried" by Tim O'Brien, my gf picked it up for me.  :)

Anyways the last probably two pages is me attempting to convince Kafein how those were analogies and not racist comments, idk what the hell happened there and trying to fight off the never wrong Xant, guys an animal, he never just simply stops, that shit would have lasted another 5 pages just from Xant alone, nothing personal Xant, but we all know its true.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Rumblood on October 25, 2013, 04:40:32 am
Oh man, you are so cute.  I can only imagine how hard it must be in your life, fearing Youtube comments.  Every time you open a Youtube link, you dare not scroll down to the comments.  They could be dangerous.  Oh indeed, it takes untold bravery to look at the comments.  Only the courageous have the strength of will to do so, others are cowards.

Well while we are rehashing, hypocrite much yourself? Mockingly deriding the idea that locking comments is the pussy way out, yet feel the need to deride Blitz for locking his. Sad commentary on your psyche.

Oh yeah, couldn't leave a locked thread locked without being able to interject just one more time could you Mr. Ad Infinitum?  :lol:
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Christo on October 25, 2013, 05:05:34 am
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No worries, the gun murrica comment was just made to poke you a bit and somewhat make you respond.
It's my title damnit, gotta live up to it sometimes

Mhm, I get it but you shouldn't care at all.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 25, 2013, 06:39:04 am
No worries, the gun murrica comment was just made to poke you a bit and somewhat make you respond.
It's my title damnit, gotta live up to it sometimes

Mhm, I get it but you shouldn't care at all.

right, but im not asking for you to tell me what my emotions should be, but what are yours.  I dont mind being poked at, its kind of what you sign up for when u enter the internet, though i dont think someone needs to actively chase people in to corners continually name calling for the sake of their enjoyment.(general statement)

Do you think its okay to make comments towards a group of people that find it offensive? especially ones that are your consumer.

Do you think from a business standpoint, this could harm a business? not necessarily just the yogscast, but any business for that matter.

Why do you have those views?

If people just shouldnt simply be offended, which we all know is impossible, why do we put up safeguards in society to make sure these things dont happen? and when they do, why are we punishing them for it?  even in crpg, this occurs.
http://forum.melee.org/eu-%28official%29/fallen_wayyyyyne/
http://forum.melee.org/eu-%28official%29/chocolate chip cookie-chat/ (http://forum.melee.org/eu-%28official%29/chocolate chip cookie-chat/)  replace chocolate chip cookie-chat with "n azi-chat", without the space for the link to work.

Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Christo on October 25, 2013, 06:57:32 am
It's not about what is okay and what isn't.

If people overreact about stuff like this, they shouldn't be on the internet at the first place.

This is nothing compared to the shitstorms you can find online.

What are my thoughts about this? Well think of it this way. They didn't go to the 9/11 memorial, vandalized it while wearing arabic clothing and chanting stuff? Now THAT is something you can be offended about with a reason.

People need to stop overreacting.

As in hurting a business, well I honestly don't care. You know what they say, right? Negative fame is best fame. (or just as good)

So even if it works out negatively for anybody, it brings lots of people to check what it's all about.
Aha. Controversy. That's the word I was looking for. It draws people like a magnet.

In an area where whoring subscribers and viewers is a major goal, it is perfect.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Paul on October 25, 2013, 07:07:58 am
That's why argueing over the internet must be so bothersome for extensive gun owners. In real life disputes they at least have the theoretical option to go "fuck everything" and eradicate their adversary with superior firepower. A comforting thought.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Christo on October 25, 2013, 07:13:44 am
lol
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Rhuarc91 on October 25, 2013, 07:21:29 am
The reason 9/11 is so personal and offensive for many people is it was one of the first kinnd of terrorist attack on our country we were not expecting it and it did kill a good few Americans. While theirs no reason to go screaming over it, it is still a very touchy subject talk to a new yorker while it was new York that took the hit its just something we find rather offensive as a country silly as it may sound. Just thought I should add my useless two sence in
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Christo on October 25, 2013, 07:32:27 am
America got a bit of a taste of what they did with their Airforce in the other sides of the world for a bit?

This may sound dark but.. karma?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Tibe on October 25, 2013, 08:15:52 am
Nobody here really never poked the 9/11 subject. You just randomly bought it up and became butthurt. Kinda dumb move there Blitzymate.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Molly on October 25, 2013, 09:39:56 am
America got a bit of a taste of what they did with their Airforce in the other sides of the world for a bit?

This may sound dark but.. karma?
I didn't read all the drama so don't get mad at me if I miss something important but...

QFT what Christo said. First thing that comes to my mind too. Sad incident, shouldn't have happened... no question about that. But you "had it coming" in a way. Not to mention that you (USA) made "them" (Middle Eastern countries) pay for it by several factors when it comes to the death count... but I don't wanna get into that one really.

I actually had a day off when this happened at saw the live reportage on the news that day. Watched BBC, CNN and some German news channel... well, I saw the 2nd plane live on TV and I was shocked. Even had wet eyes. Like most people I guess...

More on the topic from a different perspective: I am German.

I get pissed when someone calls me, my family or other people I care about chocolate chip cookie. Those people personally... If some comedian makes fun about Germany and the WW2 history, I couldn't care less. If it's funny I laugh too.

There should be a huge difference between being made fun of personally or being made fun of in a generalized way. Getting mad about the latter is just... well... pointless and ridiculous really.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2013, 10:15:28 am
I am baffled how can anyone consider avoiding to say gook to asian looking people as a white man not racist. This is litterally the definition of positive discrimination.

A korean saying gook to another korean - fine
A non-korean saying gook to another non-korean - fine
A korean saying gook to a non-korean - weird but fine
A non-korean saying gook to a korean - homygodwhyareyousoinsensitive

It's based on race/nationality. It's racist to make a difference.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 25, 2013, 10:20:58 am
I'm sorry but I found it extremely funny when Lizardman made this gif and added the ending part when I suggested it:

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It's like a shitty, ridiculous punch line that just works for some reason :D
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Tibe on October 25, 2013, 10:24:31 am
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The only reason murica hasnt nuked Latvia for this, is because they couldnt find it on the map.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 25, 2013, 10:31:27 am
The only reason murica hasnt nuked Latvia for this, is because they couldnt find it on the map.

Just wait for the day 'murica runs out of potatoes and can't make enough french fries for their MacDolands meals... They will find Latvia then and come guns blazing :lol:
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: darmaster on October 25, 2013, 10:39:10 am
Why shouldn't I make jokes about people bombing their own structures?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Brrrak on October 25, 2013, 11:01:26 am
America got a bit of a taste of what they did with their Airforce in the other sides of the world for a bit?

This may sound dark but.. karma?

Every nation which acts against another nation has it coming to them, by that logic.

Doesn't mean it's any less shocking or painful when it does happen. 
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 25, 2013, 11:04:04 am
Shock comedy is a thing.

It can be insensitive, in which case, you don't have to listen to it, and if you're in the same room as someone who does it, you can always ask them to shut up and they should respectfully do so in that case.

If it's in a video, then you can always turn it off. This all wears off, though. In another 20 years, it won't feel as offensive, nor will it be as funny.

By making these jokes, they are excluding you from their target audience, though.

Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 11:14:17 am
Well while we are rehashing, hypocrite much yourself? Mockingly deriding the idea that locking comments is the pussy way out, yet feel the need to deride Blitz for locking his. Sad commentary on your psyche.

Except, as anyone even moderately intelligent could see, this thread is not hypocritical of me. Starting this thread does not mean I think it's the pussy way out. What does it mean then, you ask? I'll let you figure that out - I thought it was obvious enough, but evidently not - as a small puzzle. Get those brain cells working.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: [ptx] on October 25, 2013, 11:32:57 am
Just wait for the day 'murica runs out of potatoes and can't make enough french fries for their MacDolands meals... They will find Latvia then and come guns blazing :lol:
It's ironic, that the whole Latvia potato joke thing is basically making fun of the soviet occupation of Latvia, compared to which the 2k people that died in 9/11 is absolutely nothing, especially when taking into account how small a nation latvians are.
There are similar jokes going around about pretty much every other European country/nation and things that have happened to them.

But, no, of course Europeans have never experienced tragedy, fucking insensitive assholes, how dare they not be mourning 9/11 daily and even make a joke about something!?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Christo on October 25, 2013, 11:33:27 am
Every nation which acts against another nation has it coming to them, by that logic.

Doesn't mean it's any less shocking or painful when it does happen.

except mr. world police is on a different level, impossible to compare with anything normal

But, no, of course Europeans have never experienced tragedy, fucking insensitive assholes, how dare they not be mourning 9/11 daily and even make a joke about something!?

Of course, what would Europe, a constant battlefield over centuries would know about tragedy and loss!

Those merry cans out of harms way sure know better!
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2013, 11:36:05 am
Poland totally had it coming being the victim of literally everybody during WW2
Title: Re: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 11:42:29 am
There may have been a lot of wars in Europe, but "Europe" does not "know" anything about tragedy and loss. Very few people of the current generations experienced any war first-hand. I find this whole discussion corny. It's like two kids going "my dad is tougher than your dad." Who the fuck cares how many wars there have been on your continent? It's just a dumb piece of land. Experienced it yourself? No? Then why mention it? Maybe 10,000 Americans were really influenced by 9/11 and that's not very much, considering they have a population of three hundred million; so it's just as dumb for them to wave their "tragedy" around as some sort of a victim-banner.

The world doesn't punish evil people or evil countries. There is no karma. Continents cannot think thoughts. Some countries have different national identities because they still want to pity themselves as a collective whole over what happened a couple generations ago, but only retards buy into that.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Berserkadin on October 25, 2013, 11:44:06 am
Yes 9/11 is the biggest tragedy that has ever happened to mankind, since AMERICANS where killed, and not some lesser human beings.

/sarcasm

The fact that murricans get butthurt about the jokes just makes them more fun. It's been 12 years, get over it ffs and stop being the biggest fucking crypussy martyrs on the earth.
Title: Re: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: [ptx] on October 25, 2013, 11:49:58 am
There may have been a lot of wars in Europe, but "Europe" does not "know" anything about tragedy and loss. Very few people of the current generations experienced any war first-hand. I find this whole discussion corny. It's like two kids going "my dad is tougher than your dad." Who the fuck cares how many wars there have been on your continent? It's just a dumb piece of land. Experienced it yourself? No? Then why mention it? Maybe 10,000 Americans were really influenced by 9/11 and that's not very much, considering they have a population of three hundred million; so it's just as dumb for them to wave their "tragedy" around as some sort of a victim-banner.

The world doesn't punish evil people or evil countries. There is no karma. Continents cannot think thoughts. Some countries have different national identities because they still want to pity themselves as a collective whole over what happened a couple generations ago, but only retards buy into that.
I experience the consequences of a war first-hand every day - as both the demographic and economic situation of Latvia. My family has been personally affected as well, people have died, but, i guess that doesn't affect me as much, since they died well before i was born.
Title: Re: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 11:53:54 am
I experience the consequences of a war first-hand every day - as both the demographic and economic situation of Latvia. My family has been personally affected as well, people have died, but, i guess that doesn't affect me as much, since they died well before i was born.
Those are more like tertiary effects of the war. Caused by it, sure. Sucks? Sure. But it makes no difference for you if it was caused by a war or if the economy and demographics had always been like that, or caused by a bad political move before you were born. Therefore I don't think you or your generation can really speak of "the tragedy of war." That chain of reasoning has to stop somewhere, otherwise Finns could still talk about how all their troubles were caused by the lack of water in Africa when the first humans were born there.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Lars on October 25, 2013, 12:00:07 pm
Just saw the videos( well just a small part), i don't understand  why do you care about the opinion/ get offended by the jokes of two ugly(at least one was fucking ugly) eyeglassed( is eyglassed a word?if not, it's a new word i created)40y old nerds.


 "A Lion does not concern himself with the opinions of a sheep" 
Title: Re: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Tibe on October 25, 2013, 12:01:30 pm
Those are more like tertiary effects of the war. Caused by it, sure. Sucks? Sure. But it makes no difference for you if it was caused by a war or if the economy and demographics had always been like that, or caused by a bad political move before you were born. Therefore I don't think you or your generation can really speak of "the tragedy of war."

Depends how old is he. Baltics got completely free in 1993, in 1991 we had soviets on our doorstep with their tanks ready to violently take full control, by mere luck that did not happen. At that time people were scared of the worst case scenario. US has never had a war on their soil before. 9/11 is nothing.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: [ptx] on October 25, 2013, 12:02:01 pm
Those are more like tertiary effects of the war. Caused by it, sure. Sucks? Sure. But it makes no difference for you if it was caused by a war or if the economy and demographics had always been like that, or caused by a bad political move before you were born. Therefore I don't think you or your generation can really speak of "the tragedy of war." That chain of reasoning has to stop somewhere, otherwise Finns could still talk about how all their troubles were caused by the lack of water in Africa when the first humans were born there.
Well, it's not a matter of a slightly worse situation - the occupation completely stripped away and ruined the economy of the country (which was pretty great before all that), whilst creating an enormous demographic problem, which continues to undermine this country.

Perhaps i can't speak of the tragedy of the war, but then again, 60-70 years ago - there is a good part of the population which can, which does make it relatable to 9/11. I don't see these people wailing about their actually personally experienced past tragedy, when someone makes a joke somewhere.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 12:08:21 pm
Well, it's not a matter of a slightly worse situation - the occupation completely stripped away and ruined the economy of the country (which was pretty great before all that), whilst creating an enormous demographic problem, which continues to undermine this country.

Perhaps i can't speak of the tragedy of the war, but then again, 60-70 years ago - there is a good part of the population which can, which does make it relatable to 9/11. I don't see these people wailing about their actually personally experienced past tragedy, when someone makes a joke somewhere.
Yeah, but my point is that what you're experiencing is a bad economic and demographic situation, not war. Your experiences are comparable to someone else somewhere else in the world in such a situation, but not to someone who's been through war.

I (obviously) don't think getting offended over 9/11 jokes makes sense, but there are some differences. The scale of the tragedy was much larger 70 years ago, but it has been 70 years. Time does heal wounds. Not to mention that most of the people who understood what was going on at the time are now 85-90 years old. Not a demographic known for their feisty protests.
Title: Re: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2013, 12:15:50 pm
Depends how old is he. Baltics got completely free in 1993, in 1991 we had soviets on our doorstep with their tanks ready to violently take full control, by mere luck that did not happen. At that time people were scared of the worst case scenario. US has never had a war on their soil before. 9/11 is nothing.

The US south is still struggling economically and socially with the heritage of the secession war even today. Compared to the north and west anyway.
Title: Re: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Lars on October 25, 2013, 12:20:37 pm
Depends how old is he. Baltics got completely free in 1993, in 1991 we had soviets on our doorstep with their tanks ready to violently take full control, by mere luck that did not happen. At that time people were scared of the worst case scenario. US has never had a war on their soil before. 9/11 is nothing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Gnjus on October 25, 2013, 12:32:27 pm
Time does heal wounds.


Good, you finally realized. Now let it go.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Tibe on October 25, 2013, 12:36:05 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

I didnt consider this worth a mention really. That ended more then 130 years ago. I dont bring up over 100 year old events when talking about my nation or other EU nations aswell. And its not quite the same really in many ways.

The US south is still struggling economically and socially with the heritage of the secession war even today. Compared to the north and west anyway.

Economical and social struggle caused by wars is everywhere. Russia, Germany, Baltics.....etc
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: KingBread on October 25, 2013, 12:37:30 pm
I do remember war state in Poland. It was War teoretically people died, my familly was "interviewed" by secret communistic police bla bla bla. Even we are making jokes about it. In Poland we have sometimes this attitude that when you can laught and make jokes about bad times that happen to you then you are stronk and will survive. There is time for mourning but when it extend 1,5 year you should go and visit specialist. When its more than 10 years you might wanna go and call ambulance.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2013, 12:39:35 pm
I do remember war state in Poland. It was War teoretically people died, my familly was "interviewed" by secret communistic police bla bla bla. Even we are making jokes about it. In Poland we have sometimes this attitude that when you can laught and make jokes about bad times that happen to you then you are stronk and will survive. There is time for mourning but when it extend 1,5 year you should go and visit specialist. When its more than 10 years you might wanna go and call ambulance.

In Poland therapist vodka xoxoxoxo

Economical and social struggle from wars is everywhere. Russia, Germany, Baltics.....etc

Yeah and the US isn't as remote to that as it seems.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Christo on October 25, 2013, 12:44:05 pm
There is time for mourning but when it extend 1,5 year you should go and visit specialist. When its more than 10 years you might wanna go and call ambulance.

Nonsense.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: KingBread on October 25, 2013, 12:50:11 pm
Nonsense.
It means that trauma from event overcome your natural resources to fight with it. PTSD is diagnosed after 6 months after traumatic influence stops. Actually Prudence Gourguechon says natural mouring should last 2 years max. So it vary on how steep symptoms are. But if you are still mourning and butthurt 10 years after traumatic event then it means you didn't copy well with it and could search for professionall help.

I'm not sure if it have something to do with topic here but it comes to my mind when i combined oversensitivity, mourning, 9/11 date.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 25, 2013, 05:11:34 pm
Xants quote:
" The scale of the tragedy was much larger 70 years ago, but it has been 70 years. Time does heal wounds. Not to mention that most of the people who understood what was going on at the time are now 85-90 years old. Not a demographic known for their feisty protests." 

This is what im talking about, you cant make the comparison that its okay to do ww2 jokes as a german, because you dont have an attachment to it, however maybe your grandfather might, and he might not find it funny if someone who didnt go through the same things was making jokes about it, especially if they are the "outsider".  There is just something different about you joking with friends, and some person who is foreign throwing stuff in your face because they think its funny.  Its not that i was expecting it, actually like i said before i watched their videos because they were entertaining, but i didnt find that specific part entertaining, i thought it was just a distasteful joke, its offensive, im not at home crying because of the joke.

Even in this case below, you knew you were getting into a comedy act, yes, pretty much know everything is off limits, yet it doesnt take much for someone to be offended, and in this case, a black male was quite offended over it, why?  I can only presume that it was because he was white and using the N word.  He is a foreigner to this man, why can he use those terms? idk, i probably wouldnt had said those things, but hey, they were said anyways, and to his audience nonetheless which consisted of a mix of people.  But it makes it okay right? because he is a comedian, and he is allowed to say those things, because its in the name of humor.

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I am baffled how can anyone consider avoiding to say gook to asian looking people as a white man not racist. This is litterally the definition of positive discrimination.

A korean saying gook to another korean - fine
A non-korean saying gook to another non-korean - fine
A korean saying gook to a non-korean - weird but fine
A non-korean saying gook to a korean - homygodwhyareyousoinsensitive

It's based on race/nationality. It's racist to make a difference.

prejudice, is prejudice, doesnt matter if its race or cultural differences, still offensive, dont offend people when they are your target audience.

Either way, was just trying to show my point of view, and get other peoples, im not upset if you dont share the same views, i cant change you.  But id rather make discussion than shit post like Tiberius.  Still hasnt learned yet how to post.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
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You guys are all dumb btw.  9/11 was an inside job (not saying people didn't fly planes into the buildings, but that's not what took them down.  WTC 7).
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Tibe on October 25, 2013, 05:52:41 pm
Either way, was just trying to show my point of view, and get other peoples, im not upset if you dont share the same views, i cant change you.  But id rather make discussion than shit post like Tiberius.  Still hasnt learned yet how to post.

Not all my posts were shitposts. What I find really ironical is that you think you are some serius poster and discussionprovider compared to me . My friend, your posts are as full of garbage as mine, even if not 2 times even worse. I atleast admit to my shitposts, while you live in your little fairyland and dream that you are some real community intellect, while every person with half a brain can clearly read that you say so little and wrong despite the walls of text.

And honestly I think its you who should learn how to post. You remind a bit of myself 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2013, 06:13:57 pm
prejudice, is prejudice, doesnt matter if its race or cultural differences, still offensive, dont offend people when they are your target audience.

It's clearly not prejudice when a black man says friend to another black man, but it's prejudice when a white man says friend to a black man. This is okay for you ? Some races are allowed to use certain words and some races are not ?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 06:15:27 pm
I can only presume that it was because he was white and using the N word.  He is a foreigner to this man, why can he use those terms?
Better question: why couldn't he say that despite being white and "a foreigner"?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 25, 2013, 06:23:43 pm
Better question: why couldn't he say that despite being white and "a foreigner"?

the foreigner is more of him being white and "foreign" to the mans culture and race, ie, black. 

It's clearly not prejudice when a black man says friend to another black man, but it's prejudice when a white man says friend to a black man. This is okay for you ? Some races are allowed to use certain words and some races are not ?

im asking what made that man upset by using those terms? was it because he was not the same culture and race as him, so now are you not allowed to say those things because they are socially no accepted.

I already said i would not say those things, and i myself could care less if a black man wants to call himself the N word, i though, will not do it, out of social respect, because its offensive. 

I still dont get the argument, i think its just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 25, 2013, 06:34:05 pm
Not all my posts were shitposts. What I find really ironical is that you think you are some serius poster and discussionprovider compared to me . My friend, your posts are as full of garbage as mine, even if not 2 times even worse. I atleast admit to my shitposts, while you live in your little fairyland and dream that you are some real community intellect, while every person with half a brain can clearly read that you say so little and wrong despite the walls of text.

And honestly I think its you who should learn how to post. You remind a bit of myself 5 years ago.

Yep not all, only when you actually decide to think, but instead you follow the masses like a fucking sheep, cant be your own man and think, you just say whatever will get you the likes.  thats why i dislike you, because you shit post for likes, ie go fuck yourself.


The only reason murica hasnt nuked Latvia for this, is because they couldnt find it on the map.



Nobody here really never poked the 9/11 subject. You just randomly bought it up and became butthurt. Kinda dumb move there Blitzymate



All im getting is that u asked for opinions and now you cant handle the awnsers. Sad. Should have really strapped those bigboypants on before you made this thread.

 
dont you think it might have been a mistake making this thread in the first place? I mean now people know how to get under your skin

From now on Blitz is courtesypolicing the whole community. Watch your ass!  :rolleyes:

Again dont come to us to talk about courtecy really. None of us have really made any of these jokes. You asked for my opinion and I gave it. You are really the scumbag here for making this thread in the first place. Trying to create some publicposse towards some 2 dudes.

 "OMG he compared americandeaths to spilling tea!!! WHAT ASSHOLES!" Really? Are you for reals Blitz? The third video however was slightly much, I can agree on that, but still, nothing to be too butthurt about. The internet is a offensive place mate, if you are really such a emotional wreck and start writing gigantic hatemail and crying your eyes out for a couple of offensive jokes then I suggest not using the internet at all.

I too have butthurtmoments about certain subjects. But I suck it up and keep it quiet (mostly anyway), cause that is the descent way of doing things. Not going around and courtecypolicing.

Shitposting at its finest, continuously, repetitiously, posting just for the sake of posting, because you are getting some sort of internet erection from constantly being an annoying fly without contributing to the thread.  yes you are a annoyance, a shit poster, stop chasing me around spamming and spewing your fucking awful posts everywhere, because they contribute fucking nothing to the thread at hand.  The only person butthurt is you, because i seem to rub you the wrong way into wanting to post.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 06:38:12 pm
the foreigner is more of him being white and "foreign" to the mans culture and race, ie, black.

Yes, but my point was.. so what? What if I'm offended by him being offended by that? Would it then not be okay for him to be offended? If it would still be okay, why is it not okay for the comedian to say "friend" even though he is white just because it offends someone?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Tibe on October 25, 2013, 06:46:52 pm
Doubleposting is a sign of a natural forumnoob dear blitzy.  :lol: And im the one who needs to learn how to post? Like I said, one shitposter insulting the other. Lets call it a night and give Xant his thread back shall we?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Rumblood on October 25, 2013, 06:50:46 pm
I didnt consider this worth a mention really. That ended more then 130 years ago. I dont bring up over 100 year old events when talking about my nation or other EU nations aswell. And its not quite the same really in many ways.

It means the same to Americans today as WWI and II mean to 100% of Europeans in this thread. And you're right. 100% of the U.S. Civil War was fought in the US, while the battles of the great wars were spread out across various countries. Not to mention that laws are being used and court battles are still being fought today as the country continues to struggle with itself over the root cause of that war. I really don't think you get that just because the war was no longer being fought between armies that people were still being killed and a struggle over its cause continued on in a major way until the late 1960's and still continues in a lesser form today.
So yeah, it compares easily to WWI and II and in some ways is more relevant to Americans than WWI and II would be to most Europeans except for Germany who probably has the greatest number of parallels in terms of redressing those events in history.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Miwiw on October 25, 2013, 06:51:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzm2MCg5HfU

So yeah, it compares easily to WWI and II and in some ways is more relevant to Americans than WWI and II would be to most Europeans except for Germany who probably has the greatest number of parallels in terms of redressing those events in history.

True stuff. Don't know how the world would actually be today if the outcome of that war had been different. And we all know, America got a great impact on the world (can discuss if it's a good or bad one of course). Imagine America hadn't joined either world wars.  :P
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 25, 2013, 07:02:02 pm
Yes, but my point was.. so what? What if I'm offended by him being offended by that? Would it then not be okay for him to be offended? If it would still be okay, why is it not okay for the comedian to say "friend" even though he is white just because it offends someone?

because there is an imaginary line drawn that is socially accepted/socially not, and he crossed it, hell, a lot of people in the crowd were shocked, not just one man, but he was the one who stood up because it offended him the most, and decided to say something.

Xant idk what to tell you, lol, go watch any black comedian, he will use the N word about 100 fucking times during an act because he wont get a backlash from it, because its acceptable for him to say it.  I dont make these weird social rules up, idk where they even come from, i just abide by them for the sake of not offending people. 

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True stuff. Don't know how the world would actually be today if the outcome of that war had been different. And we all know, America got a great impact on the world (can discuss if it's a good or bad one of course). Imagine America hadn't joined either world wars.  :P

actually ironic you say that, the Chinese, made this tweet, pretty bold tweet i would say lol.  Dont quote me, but it was along the lines of "maybe its time the world was deamericanized".  I was like oh shit, its getting real, next world war here we come, or maybe not, idk China seems like its a freight train atm.  I never read anymore on it, just saw it in a headline, so i dont know the basis of the story.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 07:08:51 pm
because there is an imaginary line drawn that is socially accepted/socially not, and he crossed it, hell, a lot of people in the crowd were shocked, not just one man, but he was the one who stood up because it offended him the most, and decided to say something.

Xant idk what to tell you, lol, go watch any black comedian, he will use the N word about 100 fucking times during an act because he wont get a backlash from it, because its acceptable for him to say it.  I dont make these weird social rules up, idk where they even come from, i just abide by them for the sake of not offending people. 
Oh, I'm well aware of the imaginary lines. What I'm saying is that they should be disregarded. We're never going to advance if we stick to old traditions "just because." Why should anyone abide by artificial imaginary lines that make no sense?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 25, 2013, 07:18:19 pm
Oh, I'm well aware of the imaginary lines. What I'm saying is that they should be disregarded. We're never going to advance if we stick to old traditions "just because." Why should anyone abide by artificial imaginary lines that make no sense?

It's Bloody "Political Correctness." What's happened is cultures have "copyrighted" what they are and "get offended" when a different culture/group uses it and not them(publicly, at least).

You have to first remove the "Political Correctness" that we have ingrained into society.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 25, 2013, 07:23:57 pm
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“Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.

If you are offended it is your problem, and frankly lots of things offend lots of people.

I can walk into a bookshop and point out a number of books that I find very unattractive in what they say. But it doesn't occur to me to burn the bookshop down. If you don't like a book, read another book. If you start reading a book and you decide you don't like it, nobody is telling you to finish it.

To read a 600-page novel and then say that it has deeply offended you: well, you have done a lot of work to be offended.”

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Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Tibe on October 25, 2013, 07:29:48 pm
What's happened is cultures have "copyrighted" what they are and "get offended" when a different culture/group uses it and not them(publicly, at least).
I dont think they get offended because some other culture is using it. They get offended because they consider getting offended a part of their privilege or even birthright. To every person acctually hurt and offended by a harmful comment or joke theres about a 100 just getting offended because they subconsciously consider it a privilege.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2013, 08:00:13 pm
im asking what made that man upset by using those terms? was it because he was not the same culture and race as him, so now are you not allowed to say those things because they are socially no accepted.

I'm not sure all the words are where they should be in that sentence

I still dont get the argument, i think its just arguing for the sake of arguing.

There's a problem because you treat people differently based on race. Black people that get offended when a white man calls them friends but don't when a black man does it in the same circumstances are also being racist mind you.

It's Bloody "Political Correctness." What's happened is cultures have "copyrighted" what they are and "get offended" when a different culture/group uses it and not them(publicly, at least).

You have to first remove the "Political Correctness" that we have ingrained into society.

This is so american it hurts.

In Europe, and above all in France, you don't have a race. You are a human being, that's all that matters. Everything that is okay to say to someone else is okay to say to you too. Every form of discrimination, be it positive or negative, is discrimination.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on October 25, 2013, 09:57:51 pm
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I just want to note that, though the comments made are light at best, they are still comments that i feel shouldnt be made in the presence of someone with connection to the joke.

a) there is a saying in germany "you shouldnt talk badly about the dead", i do agree with that saying and making jokes about dead people is worse then just bad taste. People got killed and families lost their loved once. You can not emphasis this and make at the same time a joke about it.

b) Blowback, the CIA has strongly suggested that events like these come to happen because policies choosen by your politicians which had inflected pain on a same level.

c) the circumstances of 9/11 and also the london bombings are still highly questionable as pointed out by worldwide intelligencia. If you didn't do the reading about the circumstances including the so called "conspiracy/leftist therories"(by whom are they called that way anyways?), again if you didn't do your homework there you may have a very distorted view which is far away from reality. Having more points of view is always a good thing.

d) judging people for their opinions when you asked for them and then neglecting them to adress your reactions by shuting down the thread is controversial at best. Put it bluntly, you acted like a tool. Still as pointed out in a) i get that you are hurt by people insulting the memory of a terrible event and this should not be done in any case , everywhere.
Title: Re: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 10:07:45 pm
Oh good god, I thought people had outgrown the 9/11 conspiracy theories already
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 25, 2013, 10:23:49 pm
This is so american it hurts.

In Europe, and above all in France, you don't have a race. You are human being, that's all that matters. Everything that is okay to say to someone else is okay to say to you too. Every form of discrimination, be it positive or negative, is discrimination.

Oh, is that true? Then Mind telling me How you feel about immigrants over there? From What I've heard, far more people dislike immigrants discriminate based on race.

Sure, maybe according to the government, but then again, if a black guy and a white guy(or any combination of different culture groups) come together, and 1 uses a joke about the other(Example: Black men are good at Basketball, cause they run, jump and shoot.), even in your country it'll get punished by the predominant majority. Joke, using a stereotype, funny(at least to some) yet offensive because you're labeling a race/culture.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 25, 2013, 10:25:04 pm
a) there is a saying in germany "you shouldnt talk badly about the dead", i do agree with that saying and making jokes about dead people is worse then just bad taste. People got killed and families lost their loved once. You can not emphasis this and make at the same time a joke about it.

b) Blowback, the CIA has strongly suggested that evnets like these come to happen because policies choosen by your politicians which had inflected pain on a same level.

c) the circumstances of 9/11 and also the london bobmbings are still highly questionable as pointed out by worldwide intelligencia. If you didn't do the reading about the circumstances including the so called "conspiracy/leftist therories"(by whom are they called that way anyways?), again if you didn't do your homework there you may have a very distorted view which is far away from reality. Having more points of view is always a good thing.

d) judging people for their opinions when you asked for them and then neglecting them to adress your reactions by shuting down the thread is controversial at best. Put it bluntly, you acted like a tool. Still as pointed out in a) i get that you are hurt by people insulting the memory of a terrible event and this should not be done in any case , everywhere.

ya thanks for posting your thoughts, though shutting down the thread was not because i was insulted by their opinions, it was because it just got out of hand, there wasnt a discussion, it was just flagrant comments for no reason, trying to reason while 4 pages of it are people bandwagon insulting you isnt discussion.  Thats why it was shut down, though, funny because reading the comments through out this thread, they are calmer, ironic, and actually worth a read.

I'm not sure all the words are where they should be in that sentence

There's a problem because you treat people differently based on race. Black people that get offended when a white man calls them friends but don't when a black man does it in the same circumstances are also being racist mind you.

This is so american it hurts.

In Europe, and above all in France, you don't have a race. You are human being, that's all that matters. Everything that is okay to say to someone else is okay to say to you too. Every form of discrimination, be it positive or negative, is discrimination.

there is some poor grammar, and spelling errors, but its all there.  Mind you we have had racial events in this country that were not but 50 years ago, and the tension is still quite there on some level.  If they want to call themselves and others of their race those names, then im not going to stop them, they dont seem bothered by it, but im not going to do it, simply because its offensive to them.  I've pretty much repeated myself for over two threads with you kafein lol.  Idk what else to tell you, social/moral boundaries 101, engraved in nothing, but yet something you abide by.

btw, i want to point out, our beloved Frenchmen, Pepe, even finds the 9/11 post not funny! ha!
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Tot. on October 25, 2013, 11:01:32 pm
Just behead those who make jokes about 9/11.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2013, 11:19:44 pm
Oh, is that true? Then Mind telling me How you feel about immigrants over there? From What I've heard, far more people dislike immigrants discriminate based on race.

My feel about immigrants is that having plenty of people coming to work for miserable wages in our country is a blessing. The problem lies with social services becoming too much of a burden when so many poor people come in and need assistance for so manyf things. I don't know from where you heard what you have heard, but there are nationalist/racist idiots everywhere, and I don't believe there are more in Europe. After all we repeatedly had to learn that lesson here on the old continent.

Sure, maybe according to the government, but then again, if a black guy and a white guy(or any combination of different culture groups) come together, and 1 uses a joke about the other(Example: Black men are good at Basketball, cause they run, jump and shoot.), even in your country it'll get punished by the predominant majority. Joke, using a stereotype, funny(at least to some) yet offensive because you're labeling a race/culture.

Making a racist joke will get you a backlash because that's a racist joke. It doesn't take to be black to understand the racist nature of such a joke.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 11:23:19 pm
My feel about immigrants is that having plenty of people coming to work for miserable wages in our country is a blessing.
Blessing for whom? Are you familiar with Ricardo's economic theories?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2013, 11:25:54 pm
Blessing for whom? Are you familiar with Ricardo's economic theories?

I am not familiar with that (or the usage of "whom" apparently). But anyway my reasoning is that work at miserable wages produces more value that can be sold for cheaper, increasing the life standard of whoever buys the products.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Gnjus on October 25, 2013, 11:26:02 pm
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Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 25, 2013, 11:31:57 pm
I am not familiar with that (or the usage of "whom" apparently). But anyway my reasoning is that work at miserable wages produces more value that can be sold for cheaper, increasing the life standard of whoever buys the products.
Immigrants working for miserable wages is all well and good for the well-educated people, the skilled workers (as immigrants tend to not be well educated, though this isn't always the case, for example immigrants in the UK are 50% more likely than natives to have a university degree) but it fucks over the working-class, the unskilled workers, hard. Wages are dependent on scarcity, and suddenly there's tons of people who will do their jobs for a lot less money. So their wages go down as well, if they want to have any work.

In other words, good news for some, bad news for others.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2013, 11:54:13 pm
Immigrants working for miserable wages is all well and good for the well-educated people, the skilled workers (as immigrants tend to not be well educated, though this isn't always the case, for example immigrants in the UK are 50% more likely than natives to have a university degree) but it fucks over the working-class, the unskilled workers, hard. Wages are dependent on scarcity, and suddenly there's tons of people who will do their jobs for a lot less money. So their wages go down as well, if they want to have any work.

In other words, good news for some, bad news for others.

It's true but the dynamics are more complicated than that in the long run. It is also a direct opportunity for poor wannabe entrepreneurs.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Grumbs on October 26, 2013, 03:23:39 am
It all depends on the intent behind the joke and the scale of the tragedy to me. Try making a joke about the Holocaust in Germany, I doubt you could do that without being branded some kind of chocolate chip cookie sympathizer or racist. If 9/11 is widely regarded as a huge tragedy and even mentioning it to an American might offend them, then I guess its too much in bad taste. Personally though I am not affected enough by the events to not laugh at things related to it. It depends on the intent behind the joke..is it to belittle or suggest the event was a good thing? Or is it just a harmless joke that doesn't seek to offend the victims, and what was the scale and reason behind the tragedy?

Those videos to me were really tame though. I don't think you should be afraid to even acknowledge similarities between tragic event and something in a game.

It depends basically..imagine a nuke was dropped on the US now. Joking about that would be very different than joking about 4k who died 12 years ago. To me 4k deaths are not in the magnitude of tragedy were its off limits for everyone, and I don't think its the sort of event that anyone besides the actual victims/families should be too concerned about. I mean how does it affect you if you or your family weren't directly involved. Is it OK to make jokes about the Iraq war were hundreds of thousands die? Is it ok to laugh about religious leaders like in Southpark? Those types of jokes might offend millions, but doesn't stop them being funny. Where do you draw the line basically

A lot of comics in the UK consider nothing to be off limits, that its actually healthy even for the victims to be able to find humour even in tragic events
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Sir_Hans on October 26, 2013, 03:46:27 am
I'm a murican. The thing I found funny about our over sensitivity to 9/11 and anyone making it into anything but a huge tragedy is that we committed the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the world. Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

When Japan sneaked attacked us at pearl harbor, they didn't go for densely populated civilian sectors. They went for military targets. While there was military infrastructure in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the biggest amount of damage was caused by the fact that we dropped nukes on densely populated civilian sectors, I don't consider it anything but an act of terror committed by us. 9/11 casualties pale in comparison to the amount of lives lost on that day and in my opinion the tragedies of both our nations are incomparable. Yet I still see Americans and our media making jokes or puns regarding dropping the nukes every single year. Until America as a whole learns to be more sensitive to other nations tragedies I don't think we deserve sensitivity when it comes to our tragedies.

That's just my 2 cents.

Also I agree with Xant's post about it doesn't really matter how many wars have been fought on your countries soil. Aside from maybe a couple people on these forums. I doubt you have felt any of the effects of any war first hand.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Rumblood on October 26, 2013, 04:37:26 am
Immigrants working for miserable wages is all well and good for the well-educated people, the skilled workers (as immigrants tend to not be well educated, though this isn't always the case, for example immigrants in the UK are 50% more likely than natives to have a university degree) but it fucks over the working-class, the unskilled workers, hard. Wages are dependent on scarcity, and suddenly there's tons of people who will do their jobs for a lot less money. So their wages go down as well, if they want to have any work.

In other words, good news for some, bad news for others.

If the government is going to allow non-citizens into the country to take advantage of cheap labor, they have an obligation to ensure that actual citizens are given the education and training to prevent them from being in direct competition for non-skilled positions. If the prevailing winds don't like such a socialist concept, then do your fucking job and keep those aliens on the other side of the border.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 26, 2013, 04:39:37 am
I'm a murican. The thing I found funny about our over sensitivity to 9/11 and anyone making it into anything but a huge tragedy is that we committed the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the world. Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

When Japan sneaked attacked us at pearl harbor, they didn't go for densely populated civilian sectors. They went for military targets. While there was military infrastructure in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the biggest amount of damage was caused by the fact that we dropped nukes on densely populated civilian sectors, I don't consider it anything but an act of terror committed by us. 9/11 casualties pale in comparison to the amount of lives lost on that day and in my opinion the tragedies of both our nations are incomparable. Yet I still see Americans and our media making jokes or puns regarding dropping the nukes every single year. Until America as a whole learns to be more sensitive to other nations tragedies I don't think we deserve sensitivity when it comes to our tragedies.

Uneducated Idiot trying to pass off the Historical re-write people are pushing.

If anything, the Nagasaki/Hiroshima bombs are 10x less in magnitude than what Japan did to the Chinese, Philippines, and some of the other Asian Countries.

In addition, was the bomb needed to end the war? Maybe. It's debatable. People believe that Japan wouldn't surrender without an invasion, others feel they were almost ready to surrender.

Lets just Ignore the whole, overall actual war and just concentrate on one event, ignoring nearly 2 decades of events.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Grumbs on October 26, 2013, 04:55:59 am
If you go back far enough you will find atrocities committed everywhere. You can't really hold ancestors responsible for stuff. Hmm, the biggest tragedy in US history is probably the genocide of the indigenous natives on the American continent.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 26, 2013, 05:00:23 am
It all depends on the intent behind the joke and the scale of the tragedy to me. Try making a joke about the Holocaust in Germany, I doubt you could do that without being branded some kind of chocolate chip cookie sympathizer or racist. If 9/11 is widely regarded as a huge tragedy and even mentioning it to an American might offend them, then I guess its too much in bad taste. Personally though I am not affected enough by the events to not laugh at things related to it. It depends on the intent behind the joke..is it to belittle or suggest the event was a good thing? Or is it just a harmless joke that doesn't seek to offend the victims, and what was the scale and reason behind the tragedy?

Those videos to me were really tame though. I don't think you should be afraid to even acknowledge similarities between tragic event and something in a game.

It depends basically..imagine a nuke was dropped on the US now. Joking about that would be very different than joking about 4k who died 12 years ago. To me 4k deaths are not in the magnitude of tragedy were its off limits for everyone, and I don't think its the sort of event that anyone besides the actual victims/families should be too concerned about. I mean how does it affect you if you or your family weren't directly involved. Is it OK to make jokes about the Iraq war were hundreds of thousands die? Is it ok to laugh about religious leaders like in Southpark? Those types of jokes might offend millions, but doesn't stop them being funny. Where do you draw the line basically

A lot of comics in the UK consider nothing to be off limits, that its actually healthy even for the victims to be able to find humour even in tragic events

(this is going to seem like a stereotype, however it is not! because he really does exist)  I can drive to the local BP station, which is owned by a middle eastern man of which country i couldnt tell you he was from, because he is straight business and wont talk to me anyways lol, and i can attempt to strike up small talk with him, however, i wouldnt ever dare say anything about the American/middle eastern conflict, simply out of respect for him.  However speaking from a perspective that you are watching something that is comedic, and you pretty much are expecting possible insulting humor, well idk where the line is really, its all over the place lol, i cant really think there is a line until they step out on the stage and look about and say, "well maybe that joke wont be funny tonight".  However in the case of the Yogscast crew, i think its rather commonsense that the viewership is going to be a large portion of Americans, so why knowing that say that crap?  pretty much had my question answered though, as i simply think they do not care lol.
 
ya actually the first video was quite light hearted really, the second one being a little more distasteful, the last one though was what actually got me, i mean he reconstructed the towers, then flew a giant penis into it while commentating a newscaster speaking about the second tower being struck.  Kind of far really, i mean really went out of his way on that one.  It was all the comments built up into a big ball that made me say what the fuck man, like really, is that all this guy can joke about.  Actually its his fourth time making those jokes, i had forgotten about an earlier minecraft video where he made a comparison about someone rigging a tnt trap to 9/11, while Lewis tried to quickly change the topic to say it was more similar to a car bomb.

But anyways, about the comics, i found this comedian guy(i dont remember how i found it really) who actually just heckles Germans because he thinks its funny, and i guess he wants other Germans to think its funny as well.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324755104579073071540678580

If you go back far enough you will find atrocities committed everywhere. You can't really hold ancestors responsible for stuff. Hmm, the biggest tragedy in US history is probably the genocide of the indigenous natives on the American continent.

well yes, though we had quite the gruesome massacres at times, most of the population was already done in by simple diseases which were out of control amongst their population.

I'm a murican. The thing I found funny about our over sensitivity to 9/11 and anyone making it into anything but a huge tragedy is that we committed the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the world. Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

When Japan sneaked attacked us at pearl harbor, they didn't go for densely populated civilian sectors. They went for military targets. While there was military infrastructure in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the biggest amount of damage was caused by the fact that we dropped nukes on densely populated civilian sectors, I don't consider it anything but an act of terror committed by us. 9/11 casualties pale in comparison to the amount of lives lost on that day and in my opinion the tragedies of both our nations are incomparable. Yet I still see Americans and our media making jokes or puns regarding dropping the nukes every single year. Until America as a whole learns to be more sensitive to other nations tragedies I don't think we deserve sensitivity when it comes to our tragedies.

well i think there are significant differences between comparing a war, and a terror event.  The attacks on japan was calculated, its intent to stop them abruptly, without further U.S casualties, because lets face it, we had a rather hard time with the island hopping campaign, as well as it went, we lost alot of troops, and we struggled on every one of the hundreds.  Now we had to attack the stronghold, a giant turtled enemy, and not lose money, troops, and support.  The alternative they chose, though seeming extreme, ended the war with far fewer American casualties at the expense of the Japanese, and in turn showed a military power that the world had never seen before.

But i wouldnt go as far as to say the Japanese never harmed anyone on the same scale, considering what they did to China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Nanking
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: EponiCo on October 26, 2013, 05:11:41 am
It's true but the dynamics are more complicated than that in the long run. It is also a direct opportunity for poor wannabe entrepreneurs.
I am not familiar with that (or the usage of "whom" apparently). But anyway my reasoning is that work at miserable wages produces more value that can be sold for cheaper, increasing the life standard of whoever buys the products.

A worker earning 3000$ and working 8h will produce exactly the same value as one earning 1000$ and working 8h (assuming same performance ofc).
Mercylessly exploiting that a foreigner has so little opportunity to find a job he will do the same for a lot less is not exactly a role model for fairness. Arguably it's not racist, we aren't interested in that, just to get as much out of anyone for the least pay. Like Xant says this is only going to work out for people who aren't required to compete with them.
It might be a possible stance for someone who feels save to want the class gap as high as possible - although it would be ironic to talk about discrimination then - but it does cause longterm problems for the country. Having all the foreign low wage workers living in low rent areas where they are practically among themselves except for some frustrated natives having to do the same shitty jobs isn't integration after all.
We are tempted to consume value, it's cheap after all, while investments are going abroad. I don't think immigration plays really a big role in that regard but going abroad to low wage countries does. If it would be only done with unskilled labour we'd maybe be able to make sure we are keeping control of the money (or at least only spend in those countries we can expect to stay dependent). Exploitative as hell, but it would work out. Investing that cheap labour into the future (although we don't even know for what) would work. Consuming it away we will suddenly find ourselves in the situation where noone is going to work cheap for us anymore as we have nothing to offer in return. As things are working on more complex international logistics we are also ceeding more power to the giant companies that are able to manage them efficiently, which isn't all that good for the middle class.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Molly on October 26, 2013, 09:21:56 am
(this is going to seem like a stereotype, however it is not! because he really does exist)  I can drive to the local BP station, which is owned by a middle eastern man of which country i couldnt tell you he was from, because he is straight business and wont talk to me anyways lol, and i can attempt to strike up small talk with him, however, i wouldnt ever dare say anything about the American/middle eastern conflict, simply out of respect for him.  [...]
This is something I have completely different experiences with. Tho I am not really an "involved party".
I've met a quite a few middle eastern people, meeting them for the first time, I came up with the question where they are from and what is their take on those conflicts. It was never offending, maybe they realized that I was asking out of honest curiosity.
I believe that you can talk to everyone about anything if the conversation is done with respect. Not asking although you wanna know and you're interested in the opinion has nothing to do with respect. My guess is that you simply are afraid that you won't like his answer when asked :wink:

One of the guys at my University is actually a fully educated Islamic priest and we had a lot of talks about those fundamentalists, women rights, the Scharia and other rather controversial stuff. And we barely knew each other at the beginning.
Maybe you're petrol station guy is an engineer where he came from? If you're curious, there is no reason not to ask - with a respectful question.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 26, 2013, 01:21:16 pm
If you walk around telling jokes about the US wars in the area to middle eastern people, some will get offended and some will not. This is exactly the reason why saying "it's offensive" like offensivity is an intrinsic property of whatever you are saying has no base in reality. It can be offensive to someone regardless of race religion nationality etc. but it can't be blanket offensive to e.g. "black people" or "americans" as a whole.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Falka on October 26, 2013, 01:54:19 pm
a middle eastern man of which country i couldnt tell you he was from, because he is straight business and wont talk to me anyways lol, and i can attempt to strike up small talk with him, however, i wouldnt ever dare say anything about the American/middle eastern conflict, simply out of respect for him

You'd like to have with this guy a small talk liek this: "hey you, yes, I'm talking to you, you filthy, stinky, arabian terrorist. What's up? Did we kill someone in your family in irak or afghanistan recently? Nope? Shame :("?. If not, then why do you think talking about this "conflict" would mean lack of respect?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on October 26, 2013, 07:39:47 pm
ya thanks for posting your thoughts,
your welcome, but it wasnt done for your pleasure or on your behalf and

...
isnt discussion.
it still seems not to be a discussion, as you just thanked me but didn't respond on my "thoughts".
So if you really want a discoussion, i would expect arguments for or against the points i have made and not only letting me know how great that i am for sharing my thoughts ;)

Also even Kafein may have derailed a bit with his definitions and examples for how racism may work in the contrary to the normal imaginations, that then doesn't need to make you nessarily defensiv but you could have just seen it as a point of view from him which you don't share.
A short answer to Kafein, like "I don't share your perception/defenition of racism" may have ended that train of thought of Kafein perhaps earlier. As otherwise i imagine he may have seen himself to conclude his statements to a point he produces understanding on your side(Kafein please correct me if i am wrong there, this at least was the impresion i got)
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 26, 2013, 08:40:54 pm
A short answer to Kafein, like "I don't share your perception/defenition of racism" may have ended that train of thought of Kafein perhaps earlier. As otherwise i imagine he may have seen himself to conclude his statements to a point he produces understanding on your side(Kafein please correct me if i am wrong there, this at least was the impresion i got)

Pretty much this. More fitting would be to say we do not define racsim the same way. I do not consider the definition of racism to be "the act of offending minorities" I consider it to be "changing your actions based on race".
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kalam on October 26, 2013, 10:29:27 pm
War should be justified the same way murder is, legally. Our rhetoric is effective enough that people don't see that.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on October 26, 2013, 10:57:41 pm
War should be justified the same way murder is, legally. Our rhetoric is effective enough that people don't see that.
i dont quite understand the second part of that sentence and disagree with the first part.
As far as i can tell, your statement implies there may actually be justifications for war.

While there are reasons such as greed, control, power and such like, there is only one real
"just war" and that is if you are the one being attacked and you are defending yourself.

Terror , is a Tactic not a Type/state of War. Politicians try to change often how language works to make us believe some very unusual and silly concepts. War on Drugs , Terrorism, Intelligence, ...

Keeping that in mind, a Terror attack is not an act of war, therefor not a reason to go to war over with another nation.
Normally you couldn't even point a Terror attack onto a different country but onto groups within that country.
These groups maybe accepted by the government of that country, that then still isnt a "just" reason to goto war with that country, to boycott them perhaps but not more. Wherby boycott also can be an attrosity and kind of terror, as if medicin isnt allowed into a country then you inflict death and pain and suffering onto people who weren't responsible for those Terror Attacks you try to punish.

A concept which seems to be complettly lost to the USA, is "Sovereignity of Nations". Have a look at the documentation "Dirty Wars", how many drone strikes had been done since Obama took over , how this type of terror makes the USA look like the thing they wanted to wage war against. Masters of Terror.

Do you feel safe now USA? When will it be enough? Is there anyone safe from you?

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I know there are nice and friendly people in the USA, as in any country, China, Kora , Iran, Israel, anywhere ...
and then there are those fucked up politicians trying to scare the shit out of their population and get more tanks been build.
If your educational system ahsnt done a good job, you may not notice, even if it works you still may be fooled.
WMDs, Gold of Tnkin, Lusitania ... the amount of Falsflag operations which tricked the Population of the one or other nation into war is mindboggling.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 26, 2013, 11:19:01 pm
there is only one real
"just war" and that is if you are the one being attacked and you are defending yourself.
What if another country is exterminating its populace systematically, would it not be just to attack that country and stop it?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 26, 2013, 11:56:02 pm
There is no such thing as a defensive war. Ever heard of preventive strikes ?

Rather, your side is always defending and the enemy is always the aggressor.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on October 27, 2013, 11:02:54 am
@Kafein
From my point of view, Preemptive Strike is already Language being changed by politicians so they can justify soemthing which is not to be justified.

@Xant
Everyone has the Right to defend himself against any agressor, may it be your own father beating the crap out of you, a group of children terroresing you or another country attacking you with weapons. If a conflict arises within a country, as with any conflict in the end it doesnt matter who started it aslong the conflict keeps getting heated up. Defining categories when a conflict, an uprise, a fight for freedom or agaisnt supression becomes a war is a difficult thing and i would want to take the easy way out and leave it to the historians to define.
From my own experience with violence, my ideals and hopes, as childish they may seem to some of you, i would prefer if people at some point would decide against a career with the army, would decide when they go into politics that helping their own people cant be done on the cost of the people of other countries, after all we have only this 1 World and we need all to get by.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 27, 2013, 12:55:18 pm
My point is that neutrally determining who is the aggressor and who is the defender is always much more complicated than what it seems at first glance. Usually wars do not happen without some good or bad reasons behind them, which may include the defender being a dick.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Falka on October 27, 2013, 02:20:34 pm
There is no such thing as a defensive war. Ever heard of preventive strikes ?

LOL Germany made "preventive strike" in 1939, yeah, seems legit.

My point is that neutrally determining who is the aggressor and who is the defender is always much more complicated than what it seems at first glance.

LOL
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: zagibu on October 27, 2013, 02:37:00 pm
Preventive strikes are not a defensive strategy, despite of what USA wants you to believe.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 27, 2013, 05:17:32 pm
@Xant
Everyone has the Right to defend himself against any agressor, may it be your own father beating the crap out of you, a group of children terroresing you or another country attacking you with weapons. If a conflict arises within a country, as with any conflict in the end it doesnt matter who started it aslong the conflict keeps getting heated up. Defining categories when a conflict, an uprise, a fight for freedom or agaisnt supression becomes a war is a difficult thing and i would want to take the easy way out and leave it to the historians to define.
From my own experience with violence, my ideals and hopes, as childish they may seem to some of you, i would prefer if people at some point would decide against a career with the army, would decide when they go into politics that helping their own people cant be done on the cost of the people of other countries, after all we have only this 1 World and we need all to get by.
Huh? That doesn't answer my question at all.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: rufio on October 27, 2013, 05:26:42 pm
dramaqueens
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 27, 2013, 08:06:21 pm
Only at c-rpg! Twenty-four drama!
Title: Re: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 27, 2013, 08:16:01 pm
People who think there's drama in this thread must have some reading problems.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on October 28, 2013, 03:41:34 am
What if another country is exterminating its populace systematically, would it not be just to attack that country and stop it?

I am not aware such ever had been done only because of that reason, but it is cosntantly used as reason more as excuse, as it makes the population of the helping/invading army feel much better about themselves, that is exactly for what that line of reasoning is been used.

To answer your question, in the case this happens, and it would "not" be about economical reasons, then it still "isn't just".
War is just only when you have to defend yourself, is a premise, a doctrin, a law, an unmovable object where when a lever applied would lift the wolrd from its hinges befor it becomes untrue.

Still i would feel morally obligated to intervene, as you make yourself accesory to the crime if you don't help.
Lets see it as an exception to the rule. Are there other exceptions, maybe, but there are not other ideals which would allow anyone to wage war other then to defend himself. If people would accept that, who would ever gofor an attack in the first place ... only criminals So anyone who attacks soemone is a criminal. If we define that in all of our constitutions or a treaty between/within the UN members, with a defined set of consequences and punishments for the criminals, ...

edit: several treaties concerning an international court, the USA didnt sign, instead a senator said in the parlament something like "if at anytime an US soldier would end up in front of that court, the US would invade denhaag if needed to set him free."
Perhaps we EU pussies need still a bit more trust from the USA to make this work, till then we just participate with the UN, situated in the USA.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 28, 2013, 09:09:58 am
Only at c-rpg! Twenty-four drama!
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Berserkadin on October 28, 2013, 09:12:14 am
What if another country is exterminating its populace systematically, would it not be just to attack that country and stop it?
Well USA nor any other western country feeled obliged to intervene in Rwanda when the Tutsis where massacred.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on October 28, 2013, 12:20:24 pm
Well USA nor any other western country feeled obliged to intervene in Rwanda when the Tutsis where massacred.
Most of the times, only economical, geopolitical, strategical reasons and such like will lead to a bigger form of military commitment.
Nowadays we are lucky when it is even called war. Drone Strikes in over 30 countries by US since the Iraq war II started.
The amount of black ops have increased skyrocketting, to be seen with the fact that JSOC Joint Special Operations Command, when started was doing blackops now and then, within the Iraq War II they pretty much took over the leadership position. From a deck of Cards of ennemies to a list of thousands of enemies and therfor nearly unlimmited power and rights to drone strikes.

For me it is not so much about the USA, any other bigger power would do pretty much the same if in the shoes of USA. Only if within the constitutions of all countries worldwide, these countries would agree on giving funds to the UN and we enable the UN to be a real power with good values, then we may see interventions because of and against attrosities. That but is not in the intrest of the superpowers to be, they want to be the big cahoones on the playground.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Xant on October 28, 2013, 12:56:43 pm
Well USA nor any other western country feeled obliged to intervene in Rwanda when the Tutsis where massacred.
And?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 28, 2013, 04:45:35 pm
Well USA nor any other western country feeled obliged to intervene in Rwanda when the Tutsis where massacred.

I can't even imagine how much worse it would have been if they did. France would be a nuclear wasteland by now.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: zagibu on October 29, 2013, 01:12:49 am
You know that they found radioactive traces in champagne a few years back? I don't think it needs bombs to turn France into a nuclear wasteland.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Havoco on October 29, 2013, 01:41:28 am
Ummm... Do u guys mean pre-emptive strikes?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on October 29, 2013, 03:57:22 am
You know that they found radioactive traces in champagne a few years back? I don't think it needs bombs to turn France into a nuclear wasteland.
In the 70's, mothers had been warned to not give children tab water. There had been added chemicals to bind radioactivity from all the a-bomb testings. Ask the guys responsible for your water.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: zagibu on October 29, 2013, 09:02:28 am
That might have been then. Recently, a study revealed that the tap water here is of better quality than branded bottle water like San Pellegrino, Perrier, etc. Yet people still pay a premium price to be able to haul bottles back and forth.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 29, 2013, 09:21:19 am
You know that they found radioactive traces in champagne a few years back? I don't think it needs bombs to turn France into a nuclear wasteland.

There is a lot of natural soil radioactivity in that general area. I have been frequently visiting a wine cellar south-east of wallonia and I recently realised going there with a Geiger counter is kinda horrifying. It could also be good ole nuclear test/catastrophe deposits.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Molly on October 29, 2013, 09:41:13 am
You would be amazed what you get as radioactivity measurement next to your home toilet...
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on October 29, 2013, 10:35:51 am
You would be amazed what you get as radioactivity measurement next to your home toilet...

Tried it, nope.

In New Vegas though...
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Rumblood on October 30, 2013, 01:50:59 am
In the 70, mothers had been warned to not give children tab water. There had been added chemicals to bind radioactivity from all the a-bomb testings. Ask the guys responsible for your water.

Warning, do not give to kids!

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Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on October 30, 2013, 02:10:05 am
Warning, do not give to kids!

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damn Bonaqua tablewarter ...
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 30, 2013, 02:38:35 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon

Radiation is everywhere, the sun, the ground, everywhere.  You cant escape it, you just live with it.  Normal doses of naturally occurring radiation wont kill you.

Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Overdriven on November 06, 2013, 08:11:12 pm
Thought this would go well here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24835322

Quote
Twin Towers fancy dress students condemned

Two students who dressed as the Twin Towers in a fancy dress competition have been condemned by university and students' union bosses.

University of Chester students Amber Langford and Annie Collinge, both 19, won the Halloween competition at a nightclub in Chester.

Their outfits depicted flames and explosions during the 11 September 2001 attack on the World Trade Center.

They apologised for causing offence, which they said "was not intended".

The University of Chester and Chester Students' Union said they "utterly condemn the appalling photos which have been shared on social media".

'Modern-day horror'
A spokeswoman said: "Both organisations have begun an urgent investigation into the circumstances around which these images have been taken with a view to taking the necessary action."

The university spokeswoman was unable to say what action could be taken.

The students said: "We never meant to be offensive, but we apologise if any offence was caused.

"The idea was to depict a serious, modern-day horror that happened in our lifetime and was not intended as a joke."

They won £150 in shopping vouchers for their costume. The photograph featured on the Chester Parties Facebook page but was removed following criticism.

George Borsberry, who was at the event, said: "Never seen such disgusting behaviour by anyone."

A spokeswoman for the Stonegate Pub Company, which runs the nightclub, said: "Following the club night Halloween promotion that took place at Rosies, Chester, we are extremely concerned that an award of shopping vouchers was made to two young women who were dressed in a distasteful and offensive manner.

"There was a serious error of judgment made on the evening by a contracted DJ to award such a prize and we apologise to anybody who may have been upset or offended by this."

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Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Molly on November 06, 2013, 08:32:41 pm
Hilarious.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Malaclypse on November 06, 2013, 09:28:29 pm
Those costumes are pretty awesome considering how smashed these chicks must be all the time. Next year one of them will dress up as the Hotel des Mille Collines with Tutsis bodies taped all around their base lol
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: AntiBlitz on November 06, 2013, 10:11:43 pm
Those costumes are pretty awesome considering how smashed these chicks must be all the time. Next year one of them will dress up as the Hotel des Mille Collines with Tutsis bodies taped all around their base lol

Fuckin wow! lol, this comment
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 06, 2013, 11:17:54 pm
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Awesome! Read about it but I didn't see a picture of their costumes til now.

That gives me a great idea for next years halloween costume... I could go as president Kennedy post assassination with brains falling out.  8-) I'm sure it's been done by someone but I have yet to see it.
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on November 28, 2013, 05:26:08 pm
That might have been then. Recently, a study revealed that the tap water here is of better quality than branded bottle water like San Pellegrino, Perrier, etc. Yet people still pay a premium price to be able to haul bottles back and forth.
I just saw a new documentation on tab water here in germany.
Alarming i have to say. As it is in german, i try to translate roughly the content, this is not only a problem here i am convinced.
http://www.spiegel.tv/filme/ndr-45min-trinkwasser/

Over the past 50 years through fertilizer roughly 13000 tons of uranium have been put onto  crop fields here in germany alone. It now is becoming more and more clear that the subterranean water is being conterminated by that, wich is only now showing as it takes upto 50 years to reach those water resserviours.
Each year still, there are put another 160 tons uranium onto our crop fields in germany.

Uranium is part of the phosphats, as other heavy metals also. Through filtering it could be removed, but that would cost quite some money. The same sources for the fertilizer phosphats but are also already producing uranium for our nuclear powerplants, where they do filter the uranium out of it.

In germany, over 90% of all fertilzers contain these phosphats with Uranium, only those phophates wich are produced as end product from our animals "shit&piss" or other biological menur are free of that Uranium and are concidered renewable. Phosphats are running out worldwide, as other ressources too, estimated 50 years left for that product line though.

The main problem about the often already 5 times and higher values as allowed of uranium in subterranean / tab water, is if it is used by children who's metabolism is far more sensible onto Uranium then that of grown ups.
In germany there are some areas where it is already drasticly spiking the contamination and but the water provider instead of filtering, add ground water from further away as that is less costly.

The industrial union who is selling phosphat fertilizers are pointing out studies from USA, England and Australia, from wich they argue , there would be no danger coming from fertilizers. German Government officals are either not giving any comments or forbid others to talk about it.

edit: i just made a sepparated thread for this (http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/uranium-in-subterreanean-tab-water/)
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: Kafein on November 29, 2013, 01:27:50 am
What are the laws and regulations concerning fertilizers in Germany ?
Title: Re: Europeans they dont have feels
Post by: kinngrimm on November 29, 2013, 01:29:36 am
as it seems sofar none concerning Uranium limits