Re: Europeans they dont have feels

[CrazyCracka420]

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“Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.

If you are offended it is your problem, and frankly lots of things offend lots of people.

I can walk into a bookshop and point out a number of books that I find very unattractive in what they say. But it doesn't occur to me to burn the bookshop down. If you don't like a book, read another book. If you start reading a book and you decide you don't like it, nobody is telling you to finish it.

To read a 600-page novel and then say that it has deeply offended you: well, you have done a lot of work to be offended.”

― Salman Rushdie

[Tibe]

What's happened is cultures have "copyrighted" what they are and "get offended" when a different culture/group uses it and not them(publicly, at least).

I dont think they get offended because some other culture is using it. They get offended because they consider getting offended a part of their privilege or even birthright. To every person acctually hurt and offended by a harmful comment or joke theres about a 100 just getting offended because they subconsciously consider it a privilege.

[Kafein]

im asking what made that man upset by using those terms? was it because he was not the same culture and race as him, so now are you not allowed to say those things because they are socially no accepted.

I'm not sure all the words are where they should be in that sentence

I still dont get the argument, i think its just arguing for the sake of arguing.

There's a problem because you treat people differently based on race. Black people that get offended when a white man calls them friends but don't when a black man does it in the same circumstances are also being racist mind you.

It's Bloody "Political Correctness." What's happened is cultures have "copyrighted" what they are and "get offended" when a different culture/group uses it and not them(publicly, at least).

You have to first remove the "Political Correctness" that we have ingrained into society.

This is so american it hurts.

In Europe, and above all in France, you don't have a race. You are a human being, that's all that matters. Everything that is okay to say to someone else is okay to say to you too. Every form of discrimination, be it positive or negative, is discrimination.

[kinngrimm]

I just want to note that, though the comments made are light at best, they are still comments that i feel shouldnt be made in the presence of someone with connection to the joke.

a) there is a saying in germany "you shouldnt talk badly about the dead", i do agree with that saying and making jokes about dead people is worse then just bad taste. People got killed and families lost their loved once. You can not emphasis this and make at the same time a joke about it.

b) Blowback, the CIA has strongly suggested that events like these come to happen because policies choosen by your politicians which had inflected pain on a same level.

c) the circumstances of 9/11 and also the london bombings are still highly questionable as pointed out by worldwide intelligencia. If you didn't do the reading about the circumstances including the so called "conspiracy/leftist therories"(by whom are they called that way anyways?), again if you didn't do your homework there you may have a very distorted view which is far away from reality. Having more points of view is always a good thing.

d) judging people for their opinions when you asked for them and then neglecting them to adress your reactions by shuting down the thread is controversial at best. Put it bluntly, you acted like a tool. Still as pointed out in a) i get that you are hurt by people insulting the memory of a terrible event and this should not be done in any case , everywhere.

[Xant]

Oh good god, I thought people had outgrown the 9/11 conspiracy theories already

[Lt_Anders]

This is so american it hurts.

In Europe, and above all in France, you don't have a race. You are human being, that's all that matters. Everything that is okay to say to someone else is okay to say to you too. Every form of discrimination, be it positive or negative, is discrimination.

Oh, is that true? Then Mind telling me How you feel about immigrants over there? From What I've heard, far more people dislike immigrants discriminate based on race.

Sure, maybe according to the government, but then again, if a black guy and a white guy(or any combination of different culture groups) come together, and 1 uses a joke about the other(Example: Black men are good at Basketball, cause they run, jump and shoot.), even in your country it'll get punished by the predominant majority. Joke, using a stereotype, funny(at least to some) yet offensive because you're labeling a race/culture.

[AntiBlitz]

a) there is a saying in germany "you shouldnt talk badly about the dead", i do agree with that saying and making jokes about dead people is worse then just bad taste. People got killed and families lost their loved once. You can not emphasis this and make at the same time a joke about it.

b) Blowback, the CIA has strongly suggested that evnets like these come to happen because policies choosen by your politicians which had inflected pain on a same level.

c) the circumstances of 9/11 and also the london bobmbings are still highly questionable as pointed out by worldwide intelligencia. If you didn't do the reading about the circumstances including the so called "conspiracy/leftist therories"(by whom are they called that way anyways?), again if you didn't do your homework there you may have a very distorted view which is far away from reality. Having more points of view is always a good thing.

d) judging people for their opinions when you asked for them and then neglecting them to adress your reactions by shuting down the thread is controversial at best. Put it bluntly, you acted like a tool. Still as pointed out in a) i get that you are hurt by people insulting the memory of a terrible event and this should not be done in any case , everywhere.

ya thanks for posting your thoughts, though shutting down the thread was not because i was insulted by their opinions, it was because it just got out of hand, there wasnt a discussion, it was just flagrant comments for no reason, trying to reason while 4 pages of it are people bandwagon insulting you isnt discussion.  Thats why it was shut down, though, funny because reading the comments through out this thread, they are calmer, ironic, and actually worth a read.

I'm not sure all the words are where they should be in that sentence

There's a problem because you treat people differently based on race. Black people that get offended when a white man calls them friends but don't when a black man does it in the same circumstances are also being racist mind you.

This is so american it hurts.

In Europe, and above all in France, you don't have a race. You are human being, that's all that matters. Everything that is okay to say to someone else is okay to say to you too. Every form of discrimination, be it positive or negative, is discrimination.

there is some poor grammar, and spelling errors, but its all there.  Mind you we have had racial events in this country that were not but 50 years ago, and the tension is still quite there on some level.  If they want to call themselves and others of their race those names, then im not going to stop them, they dont seem bothered by it, but im not going to do it, simply because its offensive to them.  I've pretty much repeated myself for over two threads with you kafein lol.  Idk what else to tell you, social/moral boundaries 101, engraved in nothing, but yet something you abide by.

btw, i want to point out, our beloved Frenchmen, Pepe, even finds the 9/11 post not funny! ha!

[Tot.]

Just behead those who make jokes about 9/11.

[Kafein]

Oh, is that true? Then Mind telling me How you feel about immigrants over there? From What I've heard, far more people dislike immigrants discriminate based on race.

My feel about immigrants is that having plenty of people coming to work for miserable wages in our country is a blessing. The problem lies with social services becoming too much of a burden when so many poor people come in and need assistance for so manyf things. I don't know from where you heard what you have heard, but there are nationalist/racist idiots everywhere, and I don't believe there are more in Europe. After all we repeatedly had to learn that lesson here on the old continent.

Sure, maybe according to the government, but then again, if a black guy and a white guy(or any combination of different culture groups) come together, and 1 uses a joke about the other(Example: Black men are good at Basketball, cause they run, jump and shoot.), even in your country it'll get punished by the predominant majority. Joke, using a stereotype, funny(at least to some) yet offensive because you're labeling a race/culture.

Making a racist joke will get you a backlash because that's a racist joke. It doesn't take to be black to understand the racist nature of such a joke.

[Xant]

My feel about immigrants is that having plenty of people coming to work for miserable wages in our country is a blessing.

Blessing for whom? Are you familiar with Ricardo's economic theories?

[Kafein]

Blessing for whom? Are you familiar with Ricardo's economic theories?

I am not familiar with that (or the usage of "whom" apparently). But anyway my reasoning is that work at miserable wages produces more value that can be sold for cheaper, increasing the life standard of whoever buys the products.

[Gnjus]

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Stephen Fry is a great guy, my favorite quote of his is this one:

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On being gay: "My first words, as I was being born... I looked up at my mother and said, 'that's the last time I'm going up one of those.'"

[Xant]

I am not familiar with that (or the usage of "whom" apparently). But anyway my reasoning is that work at miserable wages produces more value that can be sold for cheaper, increasing the life standard of whoever buys the products.

Immigrants working for miserable wages is all well and good for the well-educated people, the skilled workers (as immigrants tend to not be well educated, though this isn't always the case, for example immigrants in the UK are 50% more likely than natives to have a university degree) but it fucks over the working-class, the unskilled workers, hard. Wages are dependent on scarcity, and suddenly there's tons of people who will do their jobs for a lot less money. So their wages go down as well, if they want to have any work.

In other words, good news for some, bad news for others.

[Kafein]

Immigrants working for miserable wages is all well and good for the well-educated people, the skilled workers (as immigrants tend to not be well educated, though this isn't always the case, for example immigrants in the UK are 50% more likely than natives to have a university degree) but it fucks over the working-class, the unskilled workers, hard. Wages are dependent on scarcity, and suddenly there's tons of people who will do their jobs for a lot less money. So their wages go down as well, if they want to have any work.

In other words, good news for some, bad news for others.

It's true but the dynamics are more complicated than that in the long run. It is also a direct opportunity for poor wannabe entrepreneurs.

[Grumbs]

It all depends on the intent behind the joke and the scale of the tragedy to me. Try making a joke about the Holocaust in Germany, I doubt you could do that without being branded some kind of chocolate chip cookie sympathizer or racist. If 9/11 is widely regarded as a huge tragedy and even mentioning it to an American might offend them, then I guess its too much in bad taste. Personally though I am not affected enough by the events to not laugh at things related to it. It depends on the intent behind the joke..is it to belittle or suggest the event was a good thing? Or is it just a harmless joke that doesn't seek to offend the victims, and what was the scale and reason behind the tragedy?

Those videos to me were really tame though. I don't think you should be afraid to even acknowledge similarities between tragic event and something in a game.

It depends basically..imagine a nuke was dropped on the US now. Joking about that would be very different than joking about 4k who died 12 years ago. To me 4k deaths are not in the magnitude of tragedy were its off limits for everyone, and I don't think its the sort of event that anyone besides the actual victims/families should be too concerned about. I mean how does it affect you if you or your family weren't directly involved. Is it OK to make jokes about the Iraq war were hundreds of thousands die? Is it ok to laugh about religious leaders like in Southpark? Those types of jokes might offend millions, but doesn't stop them being funny. Where do you draw the line basically

A lot of comics in the UK consider nothing to be off limits, that its actually healthy even for the victims to be able to find humour even in tragic events