Why awesome? Maybe because he shown up, at the right moment, and did what I would want more cops to do? Instead of trying to capture and put to jail, just shoot these scumbags.
Come on that cop was a hero, everyone knows stuff is more valuable than human life.
Come on that cop was a hero, everyone knows stuff is more valuable than human life.Give me everything you own or I'll kill myself, human life bro!
Nice murder. Dumb cop... seriously.This. So fucking this.
Nice murder. Dumb cop... seriously.
This. So fucking this.
It might have been a fake gun and he started shooting in public..
I doubt the gun wasn't real though and wouldn't risk it. But I don't get why certain cops in certain countries always have to 1hit those guys.... like in front of the white house, "No we had to shoot that bitch,.." :shock:Well from the Whitehouse part. As far as ive heard, in crowded and certain state places Brits and Americans aim for the head incase its a suicidebomber. Again this is basically Brazil. Some deadbeat South-American slumfilled country where people getting their limbs cut off and massacres is like a everyday thing. The criminals in that country dont give a crap. They go for the kill as much as the cops do.
Nice murder. Dumb cop... seriously.
There's nothing "awesome" about something like this which is a fucking tragedy to begin with.
In my opinion one should really consider the bigger implications of devaluing human life before deciding on (what is once again in my opinion) such a crude definition of justice as this.
The cop did his job, but a hero? Not really.
I also find it funny that a policeman who is off duty, is allowed to wear his gun.Why is this funny?
Why is this funny?
Could replace that word with "dumb" or anything you like.Replace it with dumb, then.
In that video you saw nothing happen, so there was no reason to kill that guy. So I call it murder.
In that video you saw nothing happen, so there was no reason to kill that guy. So I call it murder.You're jumping all over the place here. Whether this was murder or not has nothing to do with it being "dumb" or "funny" for a police officer to be carrying while off-duty.
Again this is basically Brazil. Some deadbeat South-American slumfilled country where people getting their limbs cut off and massacres is like a everyday thing. The criminals in that country dont give a crap. They go for the kill as much as the cops do.Brazil has long stopped being a deadbeat country. Brazil is rich, but also one of most economically unequal countries in the world. Perhaps being raised in cabin of 10 square meters next to a 3 meter high wall which the goverment built to keep your dirty favela grown ass from interfering with the lives of people that have more money than they know how to spend, changes your morals a little when it comes to property. You having barely any social mobility, looking at a death in your early fifties, living a 100 meters from people whose offspring will get to go to a good school and live a long and affluent life.
Just as people are not born criminals, people are also not born not criminals.
By the way I'm taking a business trip to Rio de Janeiro early november, wish me luck.
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You did this with Leshma as well. Saying that isn't enough, you'll have to actually point the bullshit out and provide counter-arguments.
I am by far not educated in this and don't claim to be above criticism, but you are seriously speaking out of your ass. So much bullshit in one post is seldomly seen.
You did this with Leshma as well. Saying that isn't enough, you'll have to actually point the bullshit out and provide counter-arguments.
You did this with Leshma as well. Saying that isn't enough, you'll have to actually point the bullshit out and provide counter-arguments.
The only choice until then is to act arbitrarily, and justly.
Brazil has long stopped being a deadbeat country. Brazil is rich, but also one of most economically unequal countries in the world. Perhaps being raised in cabin of 10 square meters next to a 3 meter high wall which the goverment built to keep your dirty favela grown ass from interfering with the lives of people that have more money than they know how to spend, changes your morals a little when it comes to property. You having barely any social mobility, looking at a death in your early fifties, living a 100 meters from people whose offspring will get to go to a good school and live a long and affluent life.
Displayed here are classic western morals, where a life of affluence and equal economical opportunities make us view criminals as failures who chose a life of crime because they wanted to take the easy way. Obviously they deserve to die. Well guess what, in a large part of the world dealing with criminals or becoming a criminal is fairly inescapable or definitions of what is fair or just might change a little. The moral superiority of cops and officials compared to criminals becomes a little less clear when you have to pay both to be able to make a living. No longer abiding a law system that is thoroughly corrupt and enables the rich to get richer while keeping you to live and die in the gutter is a choice many of us would probably make when in similar circumstances. Criminality is not always a clear cut choice, sometimes it is just surviving.
Describing someone dying over a motorbike as awesome is horrible, laughing out loud because of it makes you none better than the guy who stole the bike. It is a tragic event, I do not judge the police agent for what he did, as the robber was armed, but it is hardly heroic or awesome.
I am fuckin too lazy for that, I'm just hoping others will agree and if not, well too bad. Not a single fuck was given.
No, it's clearly not because of laziness. You're happy enough to write long posts in this thread. I think the real reason is that you figured out you'd have a hard time showing how what Dezilagel said is bullshit. Which is fine, but the "I would but I'm lazy" excuse doesn't really fly.
I have a hard time trying to picture someone writing this seriously.
Writing is one thing, having to neatly sort his paragraphs into good looking quotes and refuting them is too much of a hassle. I'd prefer if people just saw it for what it was. :wink:Why would you need "neat paragraphs" and "good looking quotes"?
You know I'm on my phone right?
Also, proving Leshma wrong isn't difficult. He even does it for you sometimes.
Is there a 'scum line' which if you cross it you should be hunted down and killed asap, and if so, who decides that line and based on what?
Is there a 'scum line' which if you cross it you should be hunted down and killed asap, and if so, who decides that line and based on what?Lethal action should be taken if it is necessary to prevent the criminal from hurting somebody, to prevent the criminal from damaging private property (i.e. in the case of vandals), or to prevent the criminal from stealing private property.
Take, for example, the Vancouver riots. The instant people started lighting cars on fire and looting stores, the police should have started shooting.
Again, If more criminals faced this kind of justice, people would think twice before committing serious crimes.
Lethal action should be taken if it is necessary to prevent the criminal from hurting somebody, to prevent the criminal from damaging private property (i.e. in the case of vandals), or to prevent the criminal from stealing private property.
If it's possible to get the guy to surrender without risking damage to life or property, then that should be done. If this is not possible, then frankly the life of the criminal should be the absolute last priority.
Take, for example, the Vancouver riots. The instant people started lighting cars on fire and looting stores, the police should have started shooting.
No, they would not. Crime is prevalent in underdeveloped countries and has little to do with terror you put upon your citizens. Actually, the more terror there is, means people will commit more crime.
There's a reason why folks from nice european countries where crime rates are low are having what you call "a hippie" opinion.
So how's this trip to Tiananmen going ? "people" is much too vague, as only those actually lighting cars, pillaging and doing damage should be arrested. The best riot polices in the world are capable of isolating violent groups among peaceful protesters so I don't see why it is necessary to blindly go for global violent suppression.
No, they would not. Crime is prevalent in underdeveloped countries and has little to do with terror you put upon your citizens. Actually, the more terror there is, means people will commit more crime.Please provide evidence of such claims, because that doesnt make sense. Telling people you will cut their hands off if caught stealing means more people will steal because they're poor? makes sense
There's a reason why folks from nice european countries where crime rates are low are having what you call "a hippie" opinion.
It should work like this: If you use violent/deadly force to commit crimes such as theft, you should be prepared or expect to be met with equal violent/deadly force.If the robber shot and killed the biker noone would care about all of this. Just another murder with robbery in Brazil.
(without the sad internet hippies crying about the value of said criminals life.)
Lethal action is to be taken when it's the last recourse or as defense. I think the policeman should have shouted something like "drop your gun" before shooting, even if it's just allowing the thief to do so for a fraction of a second, and certainly not shoot twice if the first bullet hit. I can understand the cop's action in the heat of the moment but if he had thought this through that's what he should have done.In the case of defending property, it often is the last available recourse, before expensive (or irreparable) damage is done. At any rate, in this case both property and lives were at stake, so I feel it would have been far too risky to give the thief a chance to either raise his weapon, or attempt to drive off.
So how's this trip to Tiananmen going ? "people" is much too vague, as only those actually lighting cars, pillaging and doing damage should be arrested. The best riot polices in the world are capable of isolating violent groups among peaceful protesters so I don't see why it is necessary to blindly go for global violent suppression.I was referring to the individuals visibly causing damage. In the case of the Vancouver riots, most people in the mob weren't actually doing anything damaging. You don't even need multiple people shooting - a single guy can fire a shot or two into one of the vandals, which I imagine would be enough to (at least temporarily) dissuade any nearby, unwounded vandals.
The best riot polices in the world are capable of isolating violent groups among peaceful protesters so I don't see why it is necessary to blindly go for global violent suppression.The police were unable to prevent a great deal of property damage during the riots, so I assume they felt that it would be far too risky to attempt to move in and arrest vandals. Even with the limited measures they took, there were still nine officers injured.
shot down by a fat ugly evil cop!"
They would think twice if crime did not pay off. Crime thrives hand in hand with poverty, yes, but not only "rich" people are affected by crime. I'm talking about gangs and other types of criminal culture that subjugates the majority of people in slums. Even in slums, you will find that they have their own economy; price of food and living space is affordable through work. It is not impossible to lead a good life, a happy life if you will. There are just some people who, through interactions with their surroundings, are shaped into criminals. Mostly kids, orphans or neglected kids who are kicked out into the night to beg money for their parents. This is a societal issue, but that does not make a criminal exempt from moral judgment. Quite the opposite.
I do feel sorrow for these kids, but when you have lost your touch with humanity so as to be able to rape, murder and rob without remorse, you are too far gone. Just like a gangrenous limb, it is necessary to cut it off before it spreads too far.
The more poverty stricken or the more contrasted the rift is between rich and poor in a country, the more extreme the crime fighting is. As is the case in the video in the OP. And even the crime fighters are sometimes criminals themselves, bribing is not uncommon in Kenya at all, or as they call it "finger oiling". The places with the most poverty rates are fucked up, no doubt.
I visited two slums when I was in Kenya this year, these two were Kibera and Korogocho, Korogocho being the more habitable of the two. In Korogocho, you had breakfast diners, furniture shops, motorbike repair shops, internet cafés, grocery stores where you could pay with mobile credit etc etc. The community of people in slums learn to support each other. It's far from perfect and their life quality is abysmal, but happiness is achievable.
In Kibera, however, it was a step up on the poverty scale. When I arrived to Kibera, almost within 5 minutes I see our guide chasing off some inebreated guys who were eyeing our cameras with a nasty look.
So I would like to claim that I have stood face to face with this type of poverty and it's a nasty thing, but far from all poor people are driven to crime. If anything, they are more inclined to hate crime than us cozy westerners in our social welfare bubbles. We just have more channels to express ourselves, so it must seem like we are more vocal. I have some Kenyan friends on FB who have happened to link a crime related news article or two, and the animosity in the comments toward criminals is quite scary.
Man, that's obvious bullshit. You're talking out of your ass. But I'm too lazy to point out all of this obviousness, brb going to type a long post after saying I'm too lazy to type.
summa sumarum: cop did gj. without him, that robber would go on a spree either killing or robbing. if he DID use a toy gun... dang... tard. as if cops can see from distance what is toy and what isnt toy.
cop did gj. end of story.
summa sumarum: cop did gj. without him, that robber would go on a spree either killing or robbing. if he DID use a toy gun... dang... tard. as if cops can see from distance what is toy and what isnt toy.Using a toy gun makes him a retard because cops can't see from a distance it isn't a real gun?
cop did gj. end of story.
Using a toy gun makes him a retard because cops can't see from a distance it isn't a real gun?
Except he wasn't waving a gun around for the benefit of the cops, and didn't intend to rob any cops.
He's a retard because you don't flaunt an object around that resembles a lethal weapon in the vicinity of an armed policeman.
For example, I had this lovely jet lighter, lady shaped lower piece and a pistol head on the top, but the fuckers at Irish customs took it from me because it resembled a gun.
He's a retard because you don't flaunt an object around that resembles a lethal weapon in the vicinity of an armed policeman.Yes you do, if you don't want to get arrested and that's your only chance of bluffing your way out of it.
For example, I had this lovely jet lighter, lady shaped lower piece and a pistol head on the top, but the fuckers at Irish customs took it from me because it resembled a gun.
and in a country where 70% (exaggeration) of the public are armed lol"..extremely severe restrictions were made by the federal government since 2002 making it virtually impossible to obtain a carry permit.."
I also find it funny that a policeman who is off duty, is allowed to wear his gun.
In this case it wasn't even his duty to interfere.
Yes, in certain countries. That's why people try to leave those countries as hard as possible.
Violence breeds violence, not order.All order is based on violence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_orderhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_(law)
Btw. your article does not exist, bro.
Chicks are throwing pillows at each other when they are feeling playful, we are throwing wiki articles at each other. So nerdy, I love it. My punnany is wet :oops:I ain't your bro, homie.
Btw. your article does not exist, bro.
I ain't your bro, homie.
Killings thief when you're off duty if there's no need for it is not how policemen should intervene.
What the fuck is wrong with you? You one of those people who would stand around and watch a woman get violently raped because "it wasn't even your duty to interfere"? How about you just get off some criminal dick? Fuck those guys.
Btw. your article does not exist, bro.
I'd rather see a criminal arrested than killed.
I'd rather see a police officer shoot at a criminal than a civilian.
I'd rather see a civilian prevent a crime than nobody.
I'd rather see nobody cheering the death of a human being.
Such black n white statements are always ridiculous to me.
What about when H1tler killed himself. You wouldn't want to see anyone cheering?
Fucking Hippy Naz1s!
Sometimes death is necessary, sure, [...]
No.
No.It most certainly is, if it's the only way to prevent someone from doing grievous harm to others.
It most certainly is, if it's the only way to prevent someone from doing grievous harm to others.
If the theat is immediate and you have to hurt or even kill someone (if inevitable) in self defense - yes.
in any other case its just another murder.
Sometimes death is necessary[...]
I have to wonder, how many in this thread would consider this show (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1105711/) "awesome"?(click to show/hide)
It's funny that you mention them, Sir_Hans. Sometimes death is necessary, sure, but cheering death and calling it awesome? That's what the Nazis did and that's why they were so horrible.
It's called being morally bankrupt, people like you should never be in a position of power :/
I have to wonder, how many in this thread would consider this show (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1105711/) "awesome"?(click to show/hide)
Yeah... have seen it once for 1 minute and just turned off the tv... thats just crude.I saw this on TV some time ago, was disgusted. My flatmates at the time seemed to enjoy it, though. Big surprise, they turned out to be complete scum.
Naz1's weren't horrible because of mass genocide and torture... they were horrible because they called it awesome?Yes, your morality is on the same level, except you're also a total moron.
Here I had it backwards all along, Oh well, now I am learned. :lol:
Guess I'm as horrible as an auschwitz executioner because I enjoy seeing an armed bike thief get what he deserves.
Putting criminals in concentration camps?I have an idea: Let's call those places "prison". -.-
Good idea!
Places like Auschwitz became possible due to a sudden and inexplicable boom in morally absent mass murderers in Germany between WW1 and WW2, right?
Or, perhaps, through effective propaganda, groups of people, such as jews and mentally disadvantaged, were painted as "scum"? All it then takes is to find people like you, that ENJOY seeing "scum get what they deserve".
I have little doubt as to what role you would have taken, were you born in Germany after WW1.
:|
I enjoy seeing an armed bike thief get what he deserves.
I have to wonder, how many in this thread would consider this show (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1105711/) "awesome"?(click to show/hide)
what he deserves? Really?
I have an idea: Let's call those places "prison". -.-
What... you think he deserves the bike?
No. But i think he deserves better than being shot in public.
The cop on the other hand deserves a long time in prison.
LOL.
Yeah, put the cop in prison, he was doing his job! Unforgivable!
So the job of a cop is to kill ppl. ?
God this topic is filled with maniacs.
Finuad, go back to making music and stay off these topics. Okay? Okay.
what theIf you keep showing up late, I gonna lobby that you get your custom title removed :?
i dont even
I'd rather see a civilian prevent a crime than nobody.
If you keep showing up late, I gonna lobby that you get your custom title removed :?
Did you watch the video? The robber had a fucking gun, he pointed it in the other guy's face. The cop should have shot both of those fuckers. It's not about the bike at all.
The cop saw the gun and acted. If he had yelled "Freeze!" or something, who's to say he wouldn't just escape, or turn around and shoot the cop etc. It was within protocol, IMO.
One scumbag less, as I said.
If criminal is armed, that's not a smart thing to do. Leave that to professionals. Meow once told me that he would always give aid to the weaker when they are in danger (rapist molesting a woman for example). But he's a trained soldier and I'm not. I would still try to help but I'm sure that wouldn't end well. That's why you should always look for law enforcement before you act on your own.Preventing a crime doesn't necessarily mean that you should act in a physical way. Already calling the police with a mobile is helping. Making noise, shouting from a distance, pointing with a finger, telling others on the street, finding others to act together... all those things can be done without putting yourself in harms way and still help a lot, always.
Cop dressed as civilian in his free time is not exactly what I would call a civilian. He still have all necessary skills to prevent crime, only missing backup (which is very important thing to have when dealing with criminals).
But that's how things work in theory and in proper societies. As I said, rural Brazil isn't example of proper society. Just like northeast Mexico, near the border with America and many other places on earth.
Completely disingenuous statement. The fact that he was a thief was an insignificant side story to the far more important fact that he was an armed criminal with a pistol in someone's face threatening to kill them. You think the cop should have warned him, giving him a chance to shoot him instead? Fuck that shit. You don't want to get shot, don't be pointing guns into peoples faces. Its real simple like that.
A lot of dumb weak bundle of stickss with no knowledge of brasilian street gangs and kids in this thread.
Yeah but he's right. Some people have no utter clue about violent crime and pretend its on the same level as stealing bread to feed your family.
It's very easy for people living in white western countries to go oh my this cop should be arrested but you don't live in his reality. South American gangs are utterly brutal and without remorse. Just ask the people of Honduras or El Salvador what they think of the cop's actions.
I think a veteran in the use of firearms could give you some information on :
- reaction time
- accuracy of a handgun
- average number of shots to properly incapacitate
I let you conclude :wink:
Did the robber actually shoot? No.
Would a human being have been killed if the cop wouldn't have started shooting? No.
Those robbers were about to take off. So they did obviously not try to just kill anyone. Their main intention was to grab the bike and get the hell out of there - do you know why? Did the cop know why? Me neither.
Maybe they needed money for their families (Brazil aint that rich). Maybe the gun wasn't a real one after all.
So basically the cop had to choose between preventing a bike from being stolen and taking a (young) man's life.
Do you really think his decision was right?
Also, if i'm standing 2 metres away from my target, i dont need 2 body shots to take him out.
What about just shooting his leg, arm?
That was no preventive act - that's the pure cowboy-sherrif-IAMAHEROWITHAGUN attitude.
Cops are there to prevent ppl from being harmed not to murder them.
And if there are two ways to prevent harm (stolen bike, taken life) - is it really that hard to choose the right one?
A lot of dumb weak bundle of stickss with no knowledge of brasilian street gangs and kids in this thread. The fucking cunt who got shot had quite likely already killed before. If the guy on the bike had hesitated even slightly I have almost no doubt he'd have been shot out of hand. Sure, in a lot of cases, the cops are nothing more than yet another gang, just better funded and equipped, but I still side with them against these fucking hood rats.
The vast majority of poor and disadvantaged people in Brasil struggle daily and work their asses off to achieve a better future for their kids. Poverty is no excuse to become a worthless predatory parasite, no matter how many well-meaning but retardedly naive and sheltered first world ivory tower academics parrot it.
I wonder whether the off-duty officer was just a regular ole' local cop or a PM though (military police, very common in brasilian cities, for very obvious reasons).
Did the robber actually shoot? No.It doesn't much matter if he shot - he pointed his weapon at the officer. As a result, he absolutely needed to die.
Would a human being have been killed if the cop wouldn't have started shooting? No.
Those robbers were about to take off. So they did obviously not try to just kill anyone. Their main intention was to grab the bike and get the hell out of there - do you know why? Did the cop know why? Me neither.
Hey asshole, how about you stop insulting people over the internet?
i read page after page and wtf havent ppl realized that this is indeed brasil and not US or canada??? then, phew, i reached your post and i could relax again :p
It doesn't much matter if he shot - he pointed his weapon at the officer. As a result, he absolutely needed to die.
Even if he hadn't pointed his weapon at the officer (or, frankly, even if he was unarmed), the shooting would still have been justifiable to prevent the theft of the motorcycle.
As soon as you start playing desperados and threatening innocent people's lives, your life is forfeit.
I don't believe in god nor do i believe in what the bible says. Tho i've read it. And i don't think that quote is about "don't draw your sword or you're gonna die" - this quote is about that every act of violence will create more violence.
Cus even if you draw the sword on someone who drew it on you, YOU ARE DRAWING THE DAMN THING TOO.
It's a never-ending circle of violence, started by violence - ending in violence.
It's about NOT drawing the sword - instead of killing everyone who draws it.
But keep on thinking what you want to think, blockheads. I think the world would be a better place without those who fight violence with violence.
Police rounds gunshot wounds are far from being always lethal with our modern medicine. But I don't get why the cop fired two shots instead of one.
The robber started the game. So he set up the rules. By pointing the gun at someones face to get his belongings he states that he values the bike over a live.
The cop plays along these rules and values the robbers live less than the stolen bike and consequenly shoots.
As much as I dislike guns I have to say that this was a fair action.
If the cop wasn't about to interfere, the robber wouldnt have pointed his gun at him so he wouldn't have to shot and kill him. Why not just call the police in that moment and get that guy arrested later. That's the way to go instead of shooting someone on the street. Oh well, 3rd world obviously.
I know in some US jurisdictions (the territory is so vast and varried when it comes to law and police officers, even within same state lines, that you can't really make any big generalizations) they would have pumped this guy with at least a full clip.
Why are they still using world war I or II rifles?
Why are they still using world war I or II rifles?
I bet if you would have called the police in a country like brazil and tell them an armed robber just stole someones bike they would laugh and dismiss it instantly. Maaaaybe they would file a report. But either way it would probably be completely fruitless as armed robbery crimes probably go unsolved 9.8 times out of 10 in a country like brazil.
If the cop wasn't about to interfere, the robber wouldnt have pointed his gun at him so he wouldn't have to shot and kill him. Why not just call the police in that moment and get that guy arrested later. That's the way to go instead of shooting someone on the street. Oh well, 3rd world obviously.Why call the police when a policeofficer is there?
If the cop wasn't about to interfere, the robber wouldnt have pointed his gun at him so he wouldn't have to shot and kill him.You are arguing that an officer should just let a violent thief escape, due to the chance that the thief might pull his gun, thus forcing the officer to shoot him. I would argue that, if the thief is so violent that he is willing to draw his weapon on anybody who interferes, then it is more important that the officer intervene. The officer shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of the criminal.
What? As far as I know AR-15s are common for certain districts. That's not WW2 is it? Is it something to do with the word clip instead of mag?
Why call the police when a policeofficer is there?
And then well it is police duty to stop a crime and prevent the criminal from escaping.
So the officer did his job. this doesn't make him a hero nor a murderer.
If the cop wasn't about to interfere, the robber wouldnt have pointed his gun at him so he wouldn't have to shot and kill him. Why not just call the police in that moment and get that guy arrested later. That's the way to go instead of shooting someone on the street. Oh well, 3rd world obviously.Say that the robber would have gotten away and been reported. The police find him and go to arrest him. He pulls a gun on them. Now what?
Be careful to not get shot, try to take his gun and not let anyone die. Preferable the robber should die in that case though and not anyone else. But deaths should always be avoided. :PDo you even know how unreasonable a request that is? Batman can do it, because he's not real. Police officers are real.
Be careful to not get shot, try to take his gun and not let anyone die.
Preferable the robber should die in that case though and not anyone else. But deaths should always be avoided. :P
If he's to arrested, takes out a gun and threatens the life of policemen then, while he's at a dead end, it's obviously better to kill him than having some policemen to die... but the scene in the video only shows a guy robbing a bike, nothing more. He could have taken a knife to threat the guy as well and most people would be clever enough to give up the bike.What? The robber points his gun at the police officer. What makes you think he wouldn't point a gun at the police attempting to arrest him when he clearly has no qualms doing it on the video? What makes "to be arrested" different than what the police officer is doing on the video?
Deaths should be avoided, but not at all costs. As I said before that officer shouldn't have taken out his gun in the first place. But as we already disagree at that point, why bother going on more?
Video shows a robbery, your post is 1 a top, a criminal defending himself with a gun. If he uses it, his own fault.
OMG, so much incorrect spewed. Half you shits need to go to a third world country.
If the crooks are armed, they don't wait to "surrender" they fuking shoot to kill right off the bat.
And I suppose you've experienced this shoot-to-kill firsthand?
what
You asked if I've experienced this? No, but I visit that country yearly, and have seen the effects it's had on the population. As well as talks with the middle class/upper class locals.
In fact, my father was robbed, at gunpoint, in a famous hotel on the island and lost ~5k USD.(mainly from things like Watch and stuff he was wearing)
And, just an FYI: Owning guns in the bahamas(outside of Shotguns) is illegal...
Why didn't Jesus shoot the devil? He could have expelled all evil from the world.
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Hahahahahhahahaahahahah. What the fuck? Anders, the gangsta-3rd world traveller, visiting........
*drumroll*
The Bahamas.... yearly.
No wonder you've become such an expert on these matters. You and the other five million tourists yearly.
Population of 350,000 and 5,000,0000 tourists per year. Brave souls, each and every one of them.
Afaik clips are only used in firearms with fixed magazins. So yeah, most post WW2 guns have detachable magazines. No clips there.
Oh Paul, you humourless pedant. Using clip in that form is easily acceptable as slang.
Why didn't Jesus shoot the devil? He could have expelled all evil from the world.
the devil claimed that noone would follow god. if god just removed the devil, it would be the same as agreeing that devil was right.
Another matter, why did he rob someone with a camera mounted on his helmet?
Another matter, why did he rob someone with a camera mounted on his helmet?
No, not only is that a logical fallacy, it's retarded.
its not my idea its just what the old book says :pThere's a reason no one intelligent uses "the old book" for anything other than starting a fire.
everyone is entitled to their opinion but tbh, i stopped caring about yours
the devil claimed that noone would follow god. if god just removed the devil, it would be the same as agreeing that devil was right.
God doesn't exist. It's an image of what we humans would like to achieve. Devil is representation of our weaknesses.
Edit: I'm a human, after all. Shouldn't refer to humanity as "them".
God doesn't exist. It's an image of what we humans would like to achieve. Devil is representation of our weaknesses.What do you mean by "would like to achieve"? God as he is written in the Bible (especially the Old Testament) is one magnificently fucked up fellow and I'm pretty sure no one (not already religious) would actually confess to him being their idea of a perfect end-state.
Edit: I'm a human, after all. Shouldn't refer to humanity as "them".
Come on that cop was a hero, everyone knows stuff is more valuable than human life.
Oh look, the discussion devolved into religious debate.
Is there something similar to Godwin's Law that instead refers to the inevitability of religious analogies in relation to a thread's longevity?
god was made up as a means to control the sheeple
The probability of anything being said in a given thread tends to one as the thread increases in length. But the probability of someone referring to a similar principle for a given subset of things to say like you just did tends to one faster.
I disagree. Discovering God was essential part of our evolution, at some point that was the best way to spread certain values among humanity, values that are essential to our progress as a society. Now we have evolved enough and we don't need God anymore. But those "good" values must stay and keep spreading among people.
The Romans used slaves, the Pope used sheeple, now we use Chinese and Indians.
Xant, I like you too, but I think we need some space from each other. It's not me, it's you.
Most recent example, excluding this one, is Panos' thread in us gentlemen's board, which turned into a rude exchange about nationalism and xenophobia.
I said that, not Kafein. :wink:
I disagree. Discovering God was essential part of our evolution, at some point that was the best way to spread certain values among humanity, values that are essential to our progress as a society. Now we have evolved enough and we don't need God anymore. But those "good" values must stay and keep spreading among people.