How to fight crime.

[Dezilagel]

@Antiblitz and 'others'

So you don't think it's tragic that someone died over a "fucking bike", but are rather grateful for this opportunity to rid the world of "scum of the earth"?

I'm not saying the cop did anything directly wrong in that particular situation (as said, he did his job), but to say 'yay, THIS is how it should be!', when clearly the best case scenario would have been that noone had to die for the guy to keep his bike just seems a bit morally deprived to me.

And what exactly do you mean by "scum of the earth"?

Is there a 'scum line' which if you cross it you should be hunted down and killed asap, and if so, who decides that line and based on what?

Defection from "the norm of society"?

As you are very eager to point out - yes I am a 'foreigner' (and so are ~95% of people) and I live in a society different from yours, with a different view on things. I disagree heavily with both my 'own' society and other ones in a multitude of questions. (Swedish laws concerning rape and domestic abuse, Russian law on homosexuality and the always popular American surveillance and gun laws to name a few recent and popular examples) Which authority, which "social norm" am I to follow then not to be branded "scum of the earth"?

Just as people are not born criminals, people are also not born not criminals. It's a choice, and that choice should be obvious (becoming a criminal isn't something done without reason) but also meaningful and rewarding. If a criminal life has no value, and no chance to redeem itself then life in itself is without value, and the criminals´ next choice becomes obvious (face society and face alienation, a long sentence, death or worse; or continue on the criminal path).

In a perfect society there would be no thieves because there would be no reason to steal from anyone. But that reason should not be expected massive disproportionate retribution from authority (a lá dictatorships), but rather common respect and understanding ALL people in between.

[Kafein]

By the way I'm taking a business trip to Rio de Janeiro early november, wish me luck.

[Bjord]

Dezilagel: Uh... Are you seriously going with the utopic approach? There is no PERFECT society, there will never be one. If it was perfect, there would be no striving for improvements. The only purpose criminals serve is as a goal for society to better itself.

I am by far not educated in this and don't claim to be above criticism, but you are seriously speaking out of your ass. So much bullshit in one post is seldomly seen.

Just as people are not born criminals, people are also not born not criminals.

What an eloquent way of the use of English. My perspective on life has been changed.

By the way I'm taking a business trip to Rio de Janeiro early november, wish me luck.

City of God.

[Tibe]

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Brazil has long stopped being a deadbeat country. Brazil is rich, but also one of most economically unequal countries in the world. Perhaps being raised in cabin of 10 square meters next to a 3 meter high wall which the goverment built to keep your dirty favela grown ass from interfering with the lives of people that have more money than they know how to spend, changes your morals a little when it comes to property. You having barely any social mobility, looking at a death in your early fifties, living a 100 meters from people whose offspring will get to go to a good school and live a long and affluent life.

Displayed here are classic western morals, where a life of affluence and equal economical opportunities make us view criminals as failures who chose a life of crime because they wanted to take the easy way. Obviously they deserve to die. Well guess what, in a large part of the world dealing with criminals or becoming a criminal is fairly inescapable or definitions of what is fair or just might change a little. The moral superiority of cops and officials compared to criminals becomes a little less clear when you have to pay both to be able to make a living. No longer abiding a law system that is thoroughly corrupt and enables the rich to get richer while keeping you to live and die in the gutter is a choice many of us would probably make when in similar circumstances. Criminality is not always a clear cut choice, sometimes it is just surviving.

Describing someone dying over a motorbike as awesome is horrible, laughing out loud because of it makes you none better than the guy who stole the bike. It is a tragic event, I do not judge the police agent for what he did, as the robber was armed, but it is hardly heroic or awesome.

What is this? Karmaclass? The words "you are wrong" are sufficent enough. The you are a bad person for laughing thing is not required. Leave those for fishing Facebook likes.

[Xant]

I am by far not educated in this and don't claim to be above criticism, but you are seriously speaking out of your ass. So much bullshit in one post is seldomly seen.

You did this with Leshma as well. Saying that isn't enough, you'll have to actually point the bullshit out and provide counter-arguments.

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Yeah, i just wanted to comment that viewing any death as awesome is just plain immoral.

[Kafein]

You did this with Leshma as well. Saying that isn't enough, you'll have to actually point the bullshit out and provide counter-arguments.

Xant-style

[Bjord]

While Teeth may have a point in that people living in slums in general are typically presented with a prospect on life that often leans to a life of crime, it is still not morally right to murder or rob. As I said, they are not the root of evil. However, just because crime is a trend where you live, does not make it more morally acceptable.

It is ultimately the Brazilian government who is to be blamed for this incident, but the people who are victims of crime can not afford to wait for reforma that take decades to go through with. The only choice until then is to act arbitrarily, and justly.

You did this with Leshma as well. Saying that isn't enough, you'll have to actually point the bullshit out and provide counter-arguments.

I am fuckin too lazy for that, I'm just hoping others will agree and if not, well too bad. Not a single fuck was given.

[Kafein]

The only choice until then is to act arbitrarily, and justly.

I have a hard time trying to picture someone writing this seriously.

[zagibu]

Brazil has long stopped being a deadbeat country. Brazil is rich, but also one of most economically unequal countries in the world. Perhaps being raised in cabin of 10 square meters next to a 3 meter high wall which the goverment built to keep your dirty favela grown ass from interfering with the lives of people that have more money than they know how to spend, changes your morals a little when it comes to property. You having barely any social mobility, looking at a death in your early fifties, living a 100 meters from people whose offspring will get to go to a good school and live a long and affluent life.

Displayed here are classic western morals, where a life of affluence and equal economical opportunities make us view criminals as failures who chose a life of crime because they wanted to take the easy way. Obviously they deserve to die. Well guess what, in a large part of the world dealing with criminals or becoming a criminal is fairly inescapable or definitions of what is fair or just might change a little. The moral superiority of cops and officials compared to criminals becomes a little less clear when you have to pay both to be able to make a living. No longer abiding a law system that is thoroughly corrupt and enables the rich to get richer while keeping you to live and die in the gutter is a choice many of us would probably make when in similar circumstances. Criminality is not always a clear cut choice, sometimes it is just surviving.

Describing someone dying over a motorbike as awesome is horrible, laughing out loud because of it makes you none better than the guy who stole the bike. It is a tragic event, I do not judge the police agent for what he did, as the robber was armed, but it is hardly heroic or awesome.

Now don't make complicated what's easy. A burger's a burger and a scumbag's a scumbag. Kill them all and let god sort them out.

[Xant]

I am fuckin too lazy for that, I'm just hoping others will agree and if not, well too bad. Not a single fuck was given.

No, it's clearly not because of laziness. You're happy enough to write long posts in this thread. I think the real reason is that you figured out you'd have a hard time showing how what Dezilagel said is bullshit. Which is fine, but the "I would but I'm lazy" excuse doesn't really fly.

[Bjord]

No, it's clearly not because of laziness. You're happy enough to write long posts in this thread. I think the real reason is that you figured out you'd have a hard time showing how what Dezilagel said is bullshit. Which is fine, but the "I would but I'm lazy" excuse doesn't really fly.

Writing is one thing, having to neatly sort his paragraphs into good looking quotes and refuting them is too much of a hassle. I'd prefer if people just saw it for what it was.

You know I'm on my phone right?

Also, proving Leshma wrong isn't difficult. He even does it for you sometimes.

[Bjord]

I have a hard time trying to picture someone writing this seriously.

Well, in these situations where someone's life was threatened, you shouldn't be hesitant, that's what I'm saying.

Of course, if he had lived, he would be deserving a legal trial. Such is the law, after all.

[Xant]

Writing is one thing, having to neatly sort his paragraphs into good looking quotes and refuting them is too much of a hassle. I'd prefer if people just saw it for what it was.

You know I'm on my phone right?

Also, proving Leshma wrong isn't difficult. He even does it for you sometimes.

Why would you need "neat paragraphs" and "good looking quotes"?

You being on your phone matters why? You can write, evidently.

Yet you didn't prove Leshma wrong either. But I mean, I could fly to the moon now, it isn't difficult, it's just that I'm lazy and flying there real neat is too much of a hassle.

[Bjord]

What am I doing, arguing with a hypocrite.

There are indeed times when I actually bother to refute someone's post, but it takes me a good 30 minutes to do that because this shit is so damn slow. And I want my posts to be easy to read, which is why I would strive to have a neat looking post instead of not. Hence, my level of care does not inspire effort this time.

Also, Xant?

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Get fucked.