I`m getting sick and tired of 2h agility heroes running around with coat of plates and all they do is endlessly spam their greatsword!
FOR THE MOTHER OF GOD, DO SOMETHING ABOUT 2H!
It is way more effective to spam with over 9000 IF and PS anyway
I got 15 AGI/5ATH/5WM, am I an AGI whore as well, Panos? :cry:It's Panos. He be whining since he became non-bannable social worker. I like the idea that he wants to help this mod but I think he's doing it wrong anyway.
It's Panos. He be whining since he became non-bannable social worker. I like the idea that he wants to help this mod but I think he's doing it wrong anyway.
Relax Panos. Just pay Templar_Steevee 50k-100k and hire him for a week. Unwanted 2hs will regret messing with you :wink:
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If you keep saying things like those in a topic that was in the beginning supposed to be a serious one, I guess there won't be many people left taking what you say seriously.
please enlighten me with your endless knowledge master BlueKnight.No need to be mean but from what you've written earlier it is easy to say that you were exaggerating a lot. Do you even believe what you typed?
Do you even believe what you typed?
just another curious thing about 2H masterrace... the MURICA clan tournie has 40k gold limit on gear you can spawn with, loomed items cost quite a bit more than unloomed. The funny thing is that it is easy for 2H heroes to still run around in heavy armour with their favourite 2h, meanwhile shielders, cav and xbow are pretty much fucked. While that is only applicable to that tournie it does make you think that maybe the cost of armour is too low. I of course am biased as hell against people who can survive more than 3 hits while being able to 1 shot me.
And if he did the same with a 27/12 build, he would've killed some 4-5 guys more, because of the extra damage and taking some 2-3 more hits to die. If you get spammed, it is not because of "OMG AGILITY", it is because you suck at returning attacks, you'd do no better with an inversed build, probably actually a lot worse.
This stuff is getting old Panos :wink:
Didn't he need three strikes for that one archer he caught from behind?People already survive way to many hits if they aren't 100% naked.
It's not like that archers was heavily armoured or that archers in general tend to have a lot of HP...
If anything, I think all armour values should be upped a bit, even increasing exponentially the closer you com to the top tier. But that's my opinion.
People already survive way to many hits if they aren't 100% naked.
If anything, I think all armour values should be upped a bit, even increasing exponentially the closer you com to the top tier. But that's my opinion.
This stuff is getting old Panos :wink:
And if he did the same with a 27/12 build, he would've killed some 4-5 guys more, because of the extra damage and taking some 2-3 more hits to die. If you get spammed, it is not because of "OMG AGILITY", it is because you suck at returning attacks, you'd do no better with an inversed build, probably actually a lot worse.
Panos, you claim he runs insanely fast in his heavy armor, try seeing him naked, armor really slows people down, and if a guy got an agi build armor won't help much from being 2-3 hit.
^ only scrubs die to spam
a couple days ago, I was dueling GTX, he was hugging me, and he used a lolstab, I COULD HEAR THE BOUNCE SOUND, but not only he wasn`t stunned, but he could land a new full stab!!!He used a glitch, he didn't really stab you the first time, he actually feinted, giving you that bounce sound. Yeah, it's dumb.
Phase uses light kuyak Panos, thats why he is fast
BRING YOUR - VOTES! I DONT CARE
Panos stop trying to slow the game down. Just because Strength isnt always the best choice doesnt mean agi needs a nerf. Depending on playstyles, most of the time str is the better choice, you become tankier and you get the damage. Agi 2h's never one-hit me but those with more str do from time to time.
Pros and Cons of being a 2h agi whore with a 15/24 build.Panos, that's just total bullshit.
- Fast
- Can outspam 90% of other weapons
- Can wear heavy armour up to gothic plate, AND STILL BE FAST as hell
- Uber protection from both melee and ranged, because of the plate cruth
- Gain a lot of speed bonus, because of your high Ath and WM
Cons
- ???
- ???
- ???
- ???
Pros and Cons of being an Str whore like myself 27/12 Poleaxe
- Strong
- ???
- ???
- ???
Cons
- Slow ass motherfucker
- Everyone can outspam you
- You don`t have the slightest bonus with the heavy armour that you wear, because the happy teenage agi hero, CAN WEAR THE SAME ARMOUR LIKE YOU AND STILL BE FASTER!!!
I would actually say the same if I was ranged to, and 90% of my gametime was, PEW run PEW run PEW, and only melee when I was the last guy or when I was cornered, and please Bagge, do tell me, apart from my logical request to add Power Draw to xbow, have you ever seen me "whining" about ranged being OP?? NO YOU HAVEN`T, because I find it normal to die from ranged, and, I sucked it up, and I spent 3 points to have a shield, and the gameplay for me is a lot better now.
Have you ever seen me "whining" about 1h being OP?? Apart from their high chance of knockdown, I never said anything else about the class, because I find it normal that short weapons are faster than my polearm, I don`t even mind the uber crazy abusable, nudge + kick combination that lot of 1handers use, I sucked it up, and forced myself to use kicks.
No matter how much time I spend on duel server trying to find the slightest thing that will give me a small advantage as a polearmer against 2handers, I come up always to a dead end, fuck , a couple days ago, I was dueling GTX, he was hugging me, and he used a lolstab, I COULD HEAR THE BOUNCE SOUND, but not only he wasn`t stunned, but he could land a new full stab!!!
Please I beg you, teach me a way to counter 2handers as a polearmer and I promise to shut the fuck up.
Come come. I'm just saying that your obsessive whine against 2h's is getting pretty old. You've made your point clear, several times :P tbh you should ditch the STR build and go for a 18/24 a la Tor instead.
change class and gamestyle because of a totally OP and broken class.
SEEMS LEGIT.
Maybe I should go ranged and pretend I`m robin hood, or even better LEGOLAS!
You can also spam with high str builds really effectively because of non-glancing attacks at any angle, btw.Yeah sure, this shows you haven't tested str builds..
Yeah sure, this shows you haven't tested str builds..I haven't. :D
Pros and Cons of being an Str whore like myself 27/12 Poleaxe
- Strong
- ???
- ???
- ???
Cons
- Slow ass motherfucker
- Everyone can outspam you
- You don`t have the slightest bonus with the heavy armour that you wear, because the happy teenage agi hero, CAN WEAR THE SAME ARMOUR LIKE YOU AND STILL BE FASTER!!!
YOLOSWAG MY MAN, Yes I whinne, I really do, Yes I`m a noob, and aaaaaaaaall you are 10 times better than me.
Zlisch, everyone can run fast naked, even a guy with 2 athletics can run fast with no armour at all, so your argument is invalid, and also most agi players, have some IF, so chances are he will need 4-5 hits, because of the IF + Heavy armour combination.Yeah, one small issue here, an agi guy will run much more fast in no armor than in heavy armor than an str guy will, and an STR player could just pick more IF and then he'll need 6-7 hits, so whatever.
No matter how much time I spend on duel server trying to find the slightest thing that will give me a small advantage as a polearmer against 2handers, I come up always to a dead end, fuck , a couple days ago, I was dueling GTX, he was hugging me, and he used a lolstab, I COULD HEAR THE BOUNCE SOUND, but not only he wasn`t stunned, but he could land a new full stab!!!is one of the most common techniques that still work for getting hits in on good players, and can be done with everything that can stab, including poles.
While your hate towards 2h players is getting borderline ridiculous, the armour difficulty was always a bit too low. Wouldn't mind seeing a (minor) change.
^ only scrubs die to spam
Lets do some maths
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I have - the difference is that it's a far less risky move with greater rewards, when you're a str build.People always state 1vs1 situations as an example and what they forget is that agi usually does better when he's getting 1vs2+ and it's harder to gank an agi guy. Str builds are getting gangbanged quite easily and even though they have their shittons of hp and armour but yet they can't do anything. Str builds can't exist alone as agi builds can.
You deliver more damage per hit and, if the opponent does return a hit, it'll hurt for a much smaller % of your HP. So much so, it's actually a viable "playstyle" with a heavily armored str char and a hard hitting 2h (see ivani4 and others).
I`m getting sick and tired of 2h agility heroes running around with coat of plates and all they do is endlessly spam their greatsword!
FOR THE MOTHER OF GOD, DO SOMETHING ABOUT 2H!
I`m getting sick and tired of 2h agility heroes running around with coat of plates and all they do is endlessly spam their greatsword!what about other spammers with 15 str on gothic plate and etc? do you just want to nerf reqs for 2hers
FOR THE MOTHER OF GOD, DO SOMETHING ABOUT 2H!
People always state 1vs1 situations as an example and what they forget is that agi usually does better when he's getting 1vs2+ and it's harder to gank an agi guy. Str builds are getting gangbanged quite easily and even though they have their shittons of hp and armour but yet they can't do anything. Str builds can't exist alone as agi builds can.Personally I prefer STR builds for being ganked by anything less than 4 people, after that agi builds if I can properly outrun them, if I'm slower than anyone of them then I'll once again consider an STR stacker superior.
Panos, that's just total bullshit.
You obviously have not tried playing high agi 2h, let me tell you how it feels.
1) You can't outspam everyone. It's is just easier to spam, but even so, you can only spam when your enemy makes a mistake in his timing. You can also spam with high str builds really effectively because of non-glancing attacks at any angle, btw.
2) Heavy armor is utterly useless for an high-agi char. Why? Because it cuts your athletics to zero. You can still be (comparingly) fast when running straight (as well as any str-plate crutcher), but you lose all your ability to change your moving directions smoothly, and it is the main purpose of having athletics, not running fast. And so all the speed bonus fades away.
3) You don't get much protection because of low HP (low str + usuallo no IF). The heavier armor you use, the more useless your agi becomes (which is nt noticeable for str- and very noticeable for agi-chars.
Now about pros:
1) You're maneuverable and fast (if you use right gear).
2) Speed bonus kinda compensates for low damage if you use it.
Of course, no one should underestimate the advantage of being maneuverable. It's easier to break through the enemy's "block barrier" (I mean to make him miss a hit), you can change your targets really quickly in the fight, you can run away in a lot of bad situations. But still it leaves you really fragile and weak.
If agi characters are so effective in heavy armor, why do you think they're so shit on Strat, where everyone's using heavy armor? Think about it...
PS: what I agree with you on though, is that the difficulty of heavy armor should go up to 21 str or even 24. I want tincans to be slower and stronger, as they should be.
Pretty much correct, but I want to add one more thing. After playing with an 12 agility character I realized that it is extremely difficult to hunt people from behind. My effectiveness in crowd fights dropped a bit. I suppose the best builds are the ones that has enough AGI for enough mobility, and rest into STR for hitting power.
The agi build can work right if you are an excellent blocker and can kill quickly despite low PS. The STR build can work if you play like a retard and are lucky for a few seconds. But the agi build lets you run if there are really too many.
Oh man, so much madness...
If you get spammed by close to ANY weapon in the game you either use a Long Maul, Long Spear, Pike or fists or you just played bad.
What is really scary is fighting a pure strength stacker with plate who can block. Now those guys are formidable foes. Sure agi is hard to fight too but you only have to hit them a few times at most.
But the downside in them being str and plate stackers is that they usually get gangbanged ping ponged killed.
I think it`s time for another permaban.
That's more of a fighting style thing. STR stackers quickly learn to abuse Warband's take on bunny hopping, and make people come at them instead of the opposite.Ah you are correct of course. But missing some opportunities because of low movement speed has it's impact on STR builds' effectiveness. For backpedalling and spamming, AGI is not that much vital. In fact I find it quite the opposite in some situations. Especially about the spamming part.