Can you increase the armour difficulty ?? VIDEO ADDED!

[Macropus]

Pros and Cons of being a 2h agi whore with a 15/24 build.

- Fast
- Can outspam 90% of other weapons
- Can wear heavy armour up to gothic plate, AND STILL BE FAST as hell
- Uber protection from both melee and ranged, because of the plate cruth
- Gain a lot of speed bonus, because of your high Ath and WM

Cons

- ???
- ???
- ???
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Pros and Cons of being an Str whore like myself 27/12 Poleaxe

- Strong
- ???
- ???
- ???

Cons

- Slow ass motherfucker
- Everyone can outspam you
- You don`t have the slightest bonus with the heavy armour that you wear, because the happy teenage agi hero, CAN WEAR THE SAME ARMOUR LIKE YOU AND STILL BE FASTER!!!

Panos, that's just total bullshit. 
You obviously have not tried playing high agi 2h, let me tell you how it feels.
1) You can't outspam everyone. It's is just easier to spam, but even so, you can only spam when your enemy makes a mistake in his timing. You can also spam with high str builds really effectively because of non-glancing attacks at any angle, btw.
2) Heavy armor is utterly useless for an high-agi char. Why? Because it cuts your athletics to zero. You can still be (comparingly) fast when running straight (as well as any str-plate crutcher), but you lose all your ability to change your moving directions smoothly, and it is the main purpose of having athletics, not running fast. And so all the speed bonus fades away.
3) You don't get much protection because of low HP (low str + usuallo no IF). The heavier armor you use, the more useless your agi becomes (which is nt noticeable for str- and very noticeable for agi-chars.

 Now about pros:
1) You're maneuverable and fast (if you use right gear).
2) Speed bonus kinda compensates for low damage if you use it.

Of course, no one should underestimate the advantage of being maneuverable. It's easier to break through the enemy's "block barrier" (I mean to make him miss a hit), you can change your targets really quickly in the fight, you can run away in a lot of bad situations. But still it leaves you really fragile and weak.

If agi characters are so effective in heavy armor, why do you think they're so shit on Strat, where everyone's using heavy armor? Think about it...



PS: what I agree with you on though, is that the difficulty of heavy armor should go up to 21 str or even 24. I want tincans to be slower and stronger, as they should be.

[wayyyyyne]

the grudge you hold against 2handers is bordering the obsessive Panos

most armors could use an increase in their STR requirement though

[bagge]

I would actually say the same if I was ranged to, and 90% of my gametime was, PEW run PEW run PEW, and only melee when I was the last guy or when I was cornered, and please Bagge, do tell me, apart from my logical request to add Power Draw to xbow, have you ever seen me "whining" about ranged being OP?? NO YOU HAVEN`T, because I find it normal to die from ranged, and, I sucked it up, and I spent 3 points to have a shield, and the gameplay for me is a lot better now.

Have you ever seen me "whining" about 1h being OP?? Apart from their high chance of knockdown, I never said anything else about the class, because I find it normal that short weapons are faster than my polearm, I don`t even mind the uber crazy abusable, nudge + kick combination that lot of 1handers use, I sucked it up, and forced myself to use kicks.

No matter how much time I spend on duel server trying to find the slightest thing that will give me a small advantage as a polearmer against 2handers, I come up always to a dead end, fuck , a couple  days ago, I was dueling GTX,  he was hugging me, and he used a lolstab, I COULD HEAR THE BOUNCE SOUND, but not only he wasn`t stunned, but he could land a new full stab!!!

Please I beg you, teach me a way to counter 2handers as a polearmer and I promise to shut the fuck up.

Come come. I'm just saying that your obsessive whine against 2h's is getting pretty old. You've made your point clear, several times tbh you should ditch the STR build and go for a 18/24 a la Tor instead.

[Panos]

Come come. I'm just saying that your obsessive whine against 2h's is getting pretty old. You've made your point clear, several times tbh you should ditch the STR build and go for a 18/24 a la Tor instead.

change class and gamestyle because of a totally OP and broken class.

SEEMS LEGIT.

Maybe I should go ranged and pretend I`m robin hood, or even better LEGOLAS!

[bagge]

change class and gamestyle because of a totally OP and broken class.

SEEMS LEGIT.

Maybe I should go ranged and pretend I`m robin hood, or even better LEGOLAS!

Tor uses a polearm.

Anyway, sometimes you have to adapt your gamestyle.

[Herkkutatti666]

You can also spam with high str builds really effectively because of non-glancing attacks at any angle, btw.

Yeah sure, this shows you haven't tested str builds..

[Macropus]

Yeah sure, this shows you haven't tested str builds..

I haven't. 
Yeah, my wording wasn't correct enough. With STR build you can spam because of lower chance of glance even at bad angles.
Now that should be correct.

[[ptx]]

I have - the difference is that it's a far less risky move with greater rewards, when you're a str build.

You deliver more damage per hit and, if the opponent does return a hit, it'll hurt for a much smaller % of your HP. So much so, it's actually a viable "playstyle" with a heavily armored str char and a hard hitting 2h (see ivani4 and others).

[jasonjay543]

Pros and Cons of being an Str whore like myself 27/12 Poleaxe

- Strong
- ???
- ???
- ???

Cons

- Slow ass motherfucker
- Everyone can outspam you
- You don`t have the slightest bonus with the heavy armour that you wear, because the happy teenage agi hero, CAN WEAR THE SAME ARMOUR LIKE YOU AND STILL BE FASTER!!!

YOLOSWAG MY MAN, Yes I whinne, I really do, Yes I`m a noob, and aaaaaaaaall you are 10 times better than me.

Let me fix that for you:

- Durable.
- Heavy Hitting (One-Two hit most enemies.)
- Long lasting if you can block.
- As for the polearm part, you can S key and still do infinite amounts of damage.

Cons

- Slow
- Everyone can outspam you Invalid if you can block.
- You don`t have the slightest bonus with the heavy armour that you wear, because the happy teenage agi hero, CAN WEAR THE SAME ARMOUR LIKE YOU AND STILL BE FASTER!!! Also invalid because the "Agi hero" does not have 9 IF, he has 5.

Quit bitching about everything and just get better, Panos.

[Gurnisson]

While your hate towards 2h players is getting borderline ridiculous, the armour difficulty was always a bit too low. Wouldn't mind seeing a (minor) change.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Meh, most effective armor for anything else than strat battles and maybe dueling is medium, I don't see any point in making the heavier armor require more str. Also Panos, this is coming from me, one of the biggest 2h haters in this game, nerf the long/bastard/heavy bastard by 1-2 speed, make the 2hstab slightly less viable at facehug range, add those nudges to poles and 2h and shield bashes to shielders, and the melee will be pretty balanced. Teeth all of those things you listed apply just as much to poles, and 1h got regular slightly greater speed/shields/(once nudges are added to the other classes) somewhat more powerful nudges to compensate.

Zlisch, everyone can run fast naked, even a guy with 2 athletics can run fast with no armour at all, so your argument is invalid, and also most agi players, have some IF, so chances are he will need 4-5 hits, because of the IF + Heavy armour combination.

Yeah, one small issue here, an agi guy will run much more fast in no armor than in heavy armor than an str guy will, and an STR player could just pick more IF and then he'll need 6-7 hits, so whatever.
Also,

No matter how much time I spend on duel server trying to find the slightest thing that will give me a small advantage as a polearmer against 2handers, I come up always to a dead end, fuck , a couple  days ago, I was dueling GTX,  he was hugging me, and he used a lolstab, I COULD HEAR THE BOUNCE SOUND, but not only he wasn`t stunned, but he could land a new full stab!!!

is one of the most common techniques that still work for getting hits in on good players, and can be done with everything that can stab, including poles.

[Panos]

While your hate towards 2h players is getting borderline ridiculous, the armour difficulty was always a bit too low. Wouldn't mind seeing a (minor) change.

I know it , but I can`t help it 

[Mammonist]

that brings us to the next point: do something about 1h nudge, make it counterable

[Kafein]

^ only scrubs die to spam

Only scrubs dare do anything bar straight attacks and spam. I hate this 2013 meta


Btw Panos, the problem here is armor simultaneously giving too much damage reduce and a sligthtly too low agility malus. Nothing related to 2h or even to builds.

[Falka]

Lets do some maths

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3.3 X 2 = 6.6 KGR


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0.7 X 3 = 2.1 KGR

Your math is wrong. Running speed is decreased by "pure" weight, weight multiplied by 2 (in the case of head armor) or 4 (gloves) decrease effective wpf.

And I don't get your point Panos (except for hating 2h ofc ), you're saying that agi builds are OP in comparison to str ones?