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1. ►PRO (2-0) - Keep on keeping on, not much to say here, their next match against Raven and make up against RoR should prove pretty easy sport
2. ►Independents (2-1) - Dominated Astralis in a game overshadowed by a lot of back and forth bickering
3. ▲Frisia (3-0) - Here we are, a series of unlikely events has somehow propelled this bumbling group of neanderthals to a 3-0 start. Who am I to deny the facts?
4. ►TKoV (2-1) - Got off to a slow start against Raven, but manhandled the next two maps. They remain a legitimate threat.
5. ▼FCC (1-2) - Off to a slow start is in understatement. It seems like though their mercs and gear are great, they just don't mesh well with eachother in a situation reminiscent of LA Lakers 2012-13 season.
6. ►Astralis (0-3) - They've had tough matchups so far and boast the worst record. It will definitely be a challenge for Astralis to turn this season around
7. ►Raven (1-2) - Their shields just aren't getting the job done
8. ►RoR (1-1) - Are they even active anymore?
Week 4 predictions
FCC over Raven 2-0
TKoV over Frisia 2-1
PRO over Astralis 2-0
Independants over RoR 2-0
Hi Tom you crazy bastard - do you evenliftplay anymore?
great work Shine. Let's GIT 'ER DONE
Raven roster is currently:(click to show/hide)
To be updated soon with alts.
Our availability is Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. 9 to 11 pm eastern starting times.
occitan is willing to give a shot and destroy everyone once again sir just need more detail when it is etc...
Is it 8 vs 8 only with rest taking turns? How many people do you need on your team to fight? Do both team need to have an equal amount of players? Do you accept teams of people that's not in the same clan?
i.e can i make a group of people and call us Herpaderps (like nevino)? So we get actual teams instead of clans :P
Each team can field up to 8 players per round, but if you have more people available you're free to swap players in & out between rounds & maps as you see fit, provided they are all on the roster.
If one team doesn't have the 8 required 10 minutes after the match is scheduled to start they can either play with who they have available (and possibly win) or forfeit the match outright. Theoretically neither team needs to field the 8 required (it could be a 5v7 or something) but you can't go above 8 at least for this season.
We'd prefer mostly clans, but at this point you're welcome to field a pick-up team of sorts. After we get a season under our belts we can review how we want to break things out later.
thanks, that pretty much answears all my questions =)
couldnt get enough interest so anyone want an extra player for their team?
FCC most nights starting 10pm est Till midnight is likely a decent time slot.... When we are not packed with strat fights.
FCC most nights starting 10pm est Till midnight is likely a decent time slot.... When we are not packed with strat fights.
Schedule will be coming tomorrow & then near the end of the week I expect the first matches will take place.Hooray!
++ Athiuk, Lord_William_Marshall
great work getting this off the ground, Shine. GL all !
edit: adding RavenR_Thorn to Raven's roster.
Tom Cruise you best be wranglin' up some independents... Ascalon seems to be MIA and I'm going to put a boot up your assif you drop the ball on the first match of the season!(click to show/hide)
But I dont really play this game anymore :( And currently on a dogshit build right now and underleveled. Going for all STR lol.Make a STF & list the name so I can add it to the roster so you don't need to worry about being underleveled. No excuses!
oooooh ohhh pick me pick me!Yeah, I messaged a few folks from Hospi, Aderyn replied but I didn't hear much else from some others & I don't know if you were included (I just messaged "hospitaller" and I think those marked as leaders get included).
This seems pretty awesome shine wish, I had known bout this earlier and i would of tried to get the last of the Hosps to make a team. Prolly will spectate a couple these matches since its prolly too late to join one.
There are 8 teams right now. If we could get 4 more and each team had a buy-in of 100k for the season, at the end of it we could have the 4 best teams battle with 1st place getting 1 million and second 250k.
It's a greater incentive for people to actually be organized and show up for battles.
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and this is how frisia got the win :P
FCC has a few more people on the team.
Holiday
Vexus
Waffle
Added to the FCC roster - Holiday was on AoW team - does this mean he isn't anymore?
Also I added Matey since HE WAS COMPLAINING SO MUCH
I want a cool quote next to me! How about "Metal armour, 19+ str, horses, kicking, 2h, poles, steel picks and scimitars are all for crutchers"
I think the AoW team has come apart a bit with Wes and Orc leaving (think they might be on a crpg break). I asked Holiday and last night he said he will be part of FCC team.
Ohay
I will give the remaining guys messages after the roster name matey.. but I am not promising it will something you like
I will try and get a list of the Alt characters. I will usually use bale but I retired him and had to use my two hander Burst instead
I felt the 40k gold limit was pretty annoying. Made me mostly useless.
Aye. I agree. I have to either bring a useless 1h wep and literally a peasant shirt in order to bring an unloomed heavy xbow, or i can use a worthless unloomed hunting xbow (and my blue pajamas for armour) which apparently does 1/10th of peoples HP with pointblank headshots.
meanwhile 2H/pole master race just run around in their heavy armour with their trusty 2h/pole as per usual. I sad.
what kinda shit is this gear restriction? favoring your own class shine with this 40k bullshit? worthless league40k is what we had at the time the league was created, and it's a hot topic among the committee but we felt like it was worth starting the season with the 40k cap and seeing how it goes & if we need to adjust. We were thinking about the possibility of bumping it slightly to 45k to give ranged a bit more breathing room.
what kinda shit is this gear restriction? favoring your own class shine with this 40k bullshit? worthless league
Week 1 Power Rankings
1. PRO - came out strong and has probably the best roster of all the teams
2. FCC - Plenty of top notch gear to go around and team play will make short work of more disorganized teams
3. Astralis - Sexthriller, nuff said
4. TKov - Immense roster to choose from and good gear, individual skill is another question
5. RoR - Managed to beat out TKov in week 1, we'll see if it's a fluke in week 2
6. Independents - One of the more skilled teams but their roster is too small
7. Raven - Got sweeped and hero shielders won't win matches
8. Frisia - Pitiful roster full of degenerates, wouldn't be surprised to see them lose every remaining scrim
Week 2 predictions:
-Astralis over Frisia in 2
-FCC over Independents in 2
-PRO over Tkov 2-1
-Raven over RoR 2-1
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40k is what we had at the time the league was created, and it's a hot topic among the committee but we felt like it was worth starting the season with the 40k cap and seeing how it goes & if we need to adjust. We were thinking about the possibility of bumping it slightly to 45k to give ranged a bit more breathing room.
The problem is some classes (cav & xbow especially) simply cost a bunch more than everything else, so we either set the cap where those classes can comfortably select things they want and effectively let everyone go tin-can, or we restrict with melee in mind & soft cap some of the more expensive classes.
As a reminder though - it's allowed to have players spawn in stuff for teammates. If my cav player can't afford their lance but I have some breathing room, I can spawn with the lance and drop it for them.
It's the first week of the first season, the only way for us to see what works and what doesn't is to actually test it out.
In other news..
Week 1 is over! Standings are updated! (almost) all the games had full teams showing, which is awesome!
Next week:
Frisia at Astralis Thursday 6/13 @ 11 PM EST
FCC at Independants Friday 6/14 @ 10 PM EST
PRO at TKoV Saturday 6/15 @ 7 PM EST
Raven at RoR Sunday 6/16 @ 11 PM EST
I am not unsympathatic to the plight of ranged cuz personally I am hit by it. As a hybrid if I want to carry 2 stacks of jarids I have to drop my armor down to about 40 but again I think this is fair cuz ranged weapons like an xbow or jarid can be a gamechanger in these 8v8 situations. I can bring down buzzing horses easy and if I land even a couple that can seriously hurt someone coming in before any melee has started. Even hunting xbows can bring in significant tactical elements so people shouldn't be so quick to dismiss even crappier horses or ranged sidearms cuz it's not their usual +3 one or because you are just focused on maxing out armor.
Also remember you can have a teammate spawn a weapon for you so if you are ranged or cav ask one of your 2h hero crutch teammates who is trying to max out armour to 60 to instead drop it to 50 and spawn a nice extra melee weapon for you so you can afford your own armour to be higher than leather.
try using your teammates. We have our 2h and spearmen spawning gear for other people.
Also I don't know much about xbows but that seems kind of messed up. Hunting xbow is 37 pierce + 6 for steel bolts, that's a lot of pierce damage, more than jarids, how is that so low/glancing?
The cap seems fine to me, I mean you can wear something like Mail and Plate + Great Blue Helm + Hourglass Gauntlets + Mailboots and still have enough money for a Long Bardiche or any upper-tier polearm. Granted this is all unloomed, but still plenty of wiggle room.
Yeah, there really isn't a perfect solution, and honestly having gold limit in place is a far more elegant solution to weapon restrictions than anything else. We could make it so that we limit specific weapons or have armor caps, but the moderation required for that would IMO be much more of a headache that it would be worth. You can't game the hard cap gold limit, it essentially moderates teams on the fly.
Personally I'm inclined to keep the 40k for this season just to see how things go, but after it's over we could open it up to more tweaks. I understand why some people aren't happy with it, but I *think* the majority are ok with 40k.
If we get mobs with torches and pitchforks over it maybe we can switch mid season...but I can't imagine we'd change the cap by too much.
In the meantime the OP has been beautified with very professional looking banners, and I've added a section for community stuff in my third post!
I love the 40k limit. My typical battle setup for most characters average out to 5,898 gold, so to me it's more a problem of trying to come up with a new outfit every round. I'm also a loomless pauper so the estimate is accurate. The limit makes me happy though because all I can think when I see people wearing less armor than they usually do is... welcome to my world :twisted:
I'd have sympathy for ranged but they hurt me so no :(
Also, as Jesus pointed out, you can wear quite a lot with the current limitation. To add to it, who cares if it's unloomed? It's not like anyone else is wearing looms.
-idlewind
@MrShine Throw me back on the Independents roster if you would, please.
your wish is my command.
I also updated the RoR roster with some people that I think I missed from the other thread, let me know if I'm still missing anyone.
@Independents & Ascalon or maybe Malaclypse - any word on who is organizing this team now? There were a lot of people who played for independents last week that still aren't on the roster, and Ascalon said he was going to check in with Honeydew about seeing who would want tobabysittake on the prestigious role of team admin.
Still a few days before your match so not urgent, but I would love to get the organization of this team taken care of so I don't have to worry about having a no-show to a match night.
So what basically happened was 5 minutes before the match was supposed to start there were no Independent players in the server. I was able to get ahold of Tom Cruise but he was being a babby & couldn't play & was underleveled, but I then got ahold of Allers since he was on the roster. Apparently most of the team didn't realize there was a match, and Allers tried to find some people while JesusChrist went to see if FCC/AoW would be willing to come and play a scrim since people were already there ready to fight.
Jump about 25-30 minutes in time, Allers & Honeydew (only 2 from the roster IIRC) were there as well as a bunch of other folks not on the roster who Allers was able to recruit for the match. Both sides just wanted to fight so we decided to start. It was something like 8v5 or 8v6, and Frisia won the first map pretty quickly.
Second map Ascalon joined in & there were now 2 or 3 rostered Independents and like 4 or 5 others. Cikel inexplicably decided to go over to the independents team and fought against his own clan, I think to make it 7v7. Independents won the 2nd map.
Third map Cikel went back to Frisia, it was an 8v8 proper (but again I think only a few were actually from the Independent's roster) and Independents won.
Afterwards I talked to Turboflex and then Ascalon, and we all agreed that Frisia be given the win on account of forfeit, since it was basically a bunch of pick-ups that were scrounged together almost a half hour after the match was supposed to actually start.
I'm really grateful to Allers & the Independent folks for sticking it out and playing to have fun, and Frisia for being good sports about just wanting to play. It was messy and I probably should have made it clear from the get go it should have been a forfeit, but I was really hoping that our first match didn't turn into a no-show so I was mostly just focused on having SOMETHING happen.
I have to agree that the 40k gold limit kinda sucks. I get why its there, but theres no reason it should be so low. Really screws over cav and ranged players. I agree that there should be a gold limit, but it needs to be raised 10-15k imo
Gold limit is fine. I use medium armor and mostly looms. Yes, ranged and cav might not be able to get fully tricked out in loomed gear but there are definitely ways to get around the issues (having others spawn your weapon or using non-loomed gear).
To Australis, I hope your ready for our scrim, couse I sure as hell am not. I'm also willing to make some wagers on who is going to win
my unloomed eastern warhorse is 44k. I can bump down to a warhorse but that still 33k (still unloomed), so I can spawn with a longsword and naked or I can wear some really bad armor and have someone bring me a sword. I could ride a palfrey/rouncey/etc but I might as well not even ride at that point since they have such low armor, hp and armor.
Seriously? QQ'ing cuz you can't bring super heavy cav to an 8v8? Do you want your gothic plate too?
Destrier, barded and padded are effective combat horses and are managable within these limits.
So there's no more 3 max ranged/cav, 4 total combined?
Frisia takes Astralis in 2 maps! shiiiiit.I owe Jack an avatar change.E: dunnnnkkzz
Next battle! FCC at Independants Friday 6/14 @ 10 PM EST
Will the Independents be alive & actually have a roster? Will they get the act together in the nick of time? Will Matey's shield get broken? Will Cyranule & Kesh square off for the BEST NA ARCHER championship belt? STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT!
anyone want me on their team? I would love to try this
anyone who watched that frisia vs astralis match and still thinks ranged are gimpy needs their head checked (if an archer didn't shoot it off). ranged can still be bigtime difference makers within these limits.
PS donate to blackwhite
sounds like Ascalon & Malaclypse will do the general running of the team for now - yay!
First I've heard of it, lol. Won't be around this evening for strat battles/scheduled scrim. Independent team is pretty open for non-faction players/players whose faction can't field a full team of their own and could use a larger pool for the roster, so anyone who wants to join up with it most likely can.
I have missed this so far, but tonight I'll be there to watch at least. Can I add myself to FCC the roster and join in if there is space? Is that kosher?
Sounds like a lot of fun.
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MrNevino I'll add you to the Independent's roster - in addition I'm going to add Miley & Voester to it in case we need to scramble to find people for the team tonight. I'll see if I can get ahold of Ascalon, Honeydew, or Allers later this afternoon. They're looking for a reliable team organizer, so if you're up for the task you could even lead it! I think Spanish was interested, but I'm not sure if he's working on a Hospitaller team or if he wants to be a part of the independents.
Important stuff for tonight's match of FCC vs Independents! The match is scheduled for 10 PM EST, but there are some FCC strat battles at 9:46PM and then 10:27PM, so it's a tight squeeze. I spoke with Kesh who said outside of some of them having to go for role call they could still make the match.
SO! How about this: after the 9:46 PM battle (which will end probably within 5-10 minutes) FCC folks in the scrim should go over to the Raven server and if we can get the match started early we'll do it. If the match lasts longer than a half hour we could decide then to either finish up the scrim where things left off after the strat battle (which will probably end ~ 12AM EST) or we could wrap it up the next day. We can play it by ear - if the strat battle before it ends late or FCC demands on role call make this too much of a squeeze we can reschedule the whole thing tomorrow night. I'm just thinking a bunch of people will be online around this time, so we might still make it happen.
Strat battles kinda ruined that one at 10pm. By the time both teams were spawned correctly and ready to fight, the next strat battle started.
you spelled my name wrong and take me off the roster their captain Honeydew and I aren't exactly on good terms:( Ok I removed you.
:( Ok I removed you.
I just want to put it out there the Independents did not lose to Frisia, we won. They made us play the game and then when we won they said, "Too bad, you guys forfeit because you didn't have the people on the roster." So Frisia technically should be 1-1.
I really don't care what you guys are saying I'm just saying that Frisia lost actually and that you two (Shine and Turbo or one of you) played us and told us AFTER we won that we just wasted time basically.
I joined Frisia with my alt STF Nevino_The_Assassin as cavAdded.
Add If_I_Kill_You_You_Are_Bad to Frisia roster
(Daruvian STF)
I hate that cavalry is absolutely, totally useless against most teams in these events. Best cav NA and I don't even try to use a horse in these.
I hate that cavalry is absolutely, totally useless against most teams in these events. Best cav NA and I don't even try to use a horse in these.Last night in the Raven vs TKoV fight I think cav seemed fairly effective actually. It forced teams of melee to split their focus between the people in front of them and the cav chilling in the back. Then when fighting actually starts with limited amounts of loomed armor they can gib people who are too busy fighting the melee battle in front of them.
Daruvian have you even tried cav yet? With a teammate spawning you weapons?
Blackwhite is pretty effective maybe you're just doing it wrong? We know you're good at wracking up kills in strat battles, might requirea different approacha tiny bit of skill and not being aloud to swing your wep into a group of people killing 1 while your horse kills 2 each time you make a pass, in an 8v8.
EDIT: It would be like Ravens not being able to use a huscarl shield and an axe or warhammer. IT FEELS WRONG.
Last night in the Raven vs TKoV fight I think cav seemed fairly effective actually. It forced teams of melee to split their focus between the people in front of them and the cav chilling in the back. Then when fighting actually starts with limited amounts of loomed armor they can gib people who are too busy fighting the melee battle in front of them.
Serious question: Daruvian do you have any suggestions on how we can better incorporate cav into these? I really don't see how to do it well without removing the gold cap (or effectively making it useless) and going with some other form of balance, and I think that's going to cause more problems than it would fix things.
add lamk alt
(1%) PRO_Remnant_Lamk (Louis_IX)
Was spectating from start to finish, and BW fucking demolished TkoV in the first map(although things went the opposite way the other two maps), it was very effective. Daruvian has told me that ranged simply counters cav too much in a competitive 8v8 format, and the gold limit renders it useless as well. I paraphrased that pretty hard. I don't agree, but I'm also not cavalry at the moment, so my opinion doesn't count for much.
I dunno how we are going to handle our fight... we ended up with a ton of fights in a row... basically all sunday eve is strat fights.
Could probably spare 8 dudes during the 21:17 cst Mayzer @ Firebus and 22:28 cst partyboy @ Dhirim, both smaller fights with pretty predictable outcomes.
Shine change the spelling on Independent team roster pleaseeeee pretty please.
yeah we are thinking to try to do it during the 10:17 est fight, but i duno if them frisians will want to skip a strat fight against us to do it then or not!
p.s. get Frodo and Gristle on our roster.
You guys do 30 strat battles a week, they're not all critical.
Would you rather we did not do so manyfunstrat fights?
This is also our first request at a reschedule. Would you rather we did not do so many fun strat fights?
I think we can pull it off after the first fight Bale. How about this though; lets tentatively keep the fight scheduled for after the first big fight on the condition that we can choose to postpone it if we are short mercs for the field defence against the smaller chaos army. We should have plenty of mercs for that battle but on the off chance that we do not, we can postpone the scrim to avoid being short handed for the battle. That sound ok?
I think we can pull it off after the first fight Bale. How about this though; lets tentatively keep the fight scheduled for after the first big fight on the condition that we can choose to postpone it if we are short mercs for the field defence against the smaller chaos army. We should have plenty of mercs for that battle but on the off chance that we do not, we can postpone the scrim to avoid being short handed for the battle. That sound ok?
I'm testing gear on the server. I am currently not able to spawn with a crossbow unless I die and respawn. Has anyone had this problem before?
Shine change the spelling on Independent team roster pleaseeeee pretty please.Done!
Hope it isn't too late, but the Frisians would like to add Hospitaller_Aderyn to our roster.
Make sure you pay attention to the 40k gear limit
Even tried spawning naked with just a hunting crossbow and bolts. Something's wrong. Matey and Cy didn't have any trouble.I think we need to figure out what's going on with some more testing, but oftentimes the first round of the battle has problems where certain gear doesn't spawn, but subsequent rounds there aren't problems. So typically we've been having a 'not live' round where people just fight, and the 2nd round is usually gear problem free.
Tied 1-1? I was not even aware we were still live after dynamike announced at the start of the last round that they were leaving. It should be 2-2 still.
Tied 1-1? I was not even aware we were still live after dynamike announced at the start of the last round that they were leaving. It should be 2-2 still.
why would that have not have been live?
Because one of their teammates announced they were leaving at the start of the round and they were going to postpone the game?
I believe it was after we won that map when Dynamike said that.
Even tried spawning naked with just a hunting crossbow and bolts. Something's wrong. Matey and Cy didn't have any trouble.
I don't even know if I should give a week in review because there are still some lingering make-up games. Curse you Strategus!
Frisia @ FCC: Tied 1-1 in maps based on what I gathered. Make-up time needed for the last map.... ummmm how about tonight right after you guys finish your strat battle that starts @ 9:38 PM EST? There is a high likelihood I won't be around to moderate it - I'll check in with Raven folks, or really if any other team administrators are welcome to officiate it. If FCC & Frisia leaders feel like they can handle the lone map & update us with the results, that's fine too.
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what about doing it after the Dhirim fight? that should end at about 9est and we would have 38min before the fight with frisia; it might be a bit of a hassle for rollcall but if we were to wait till after the 9:38PM EST fight we would lose out on at least 2 of our guys.
Shine, I PM'd you about putting Byz_bagge_Duke_of_Poland onto Frisia roster. Thanks. 8-)
Well. Frisia 2 - FCC 1.
Good tactical move adding the best archer in cRPG to your roster 5min before the match even though he isn't in your clan and isn't in NA. It was a really fun match sitting around waiting to get shot.
If your really going to complain about people in separate clans playing together because their side of the pond does not have a team, step back. As I viewed the FCC league I viewed the fact that there were 3 different clans among you. Just like us. We had 7 frisians(with one switching out), jesus(well call him a random) and bagge. You had unicorns, BRD, and underscore ninja death squad.
I really hate to debate about this topic but I don't like it when people sling shit at me and I don't sling back, it upsets me
I was going to let it go, BUT
You take issue with FCC clans playing on the FCC team? This is somehow your justification for having an EU player in the NA league?
I know there's no rule against it, but I assume that one was left to common sense. I'd like this to become a written rule. No EU players. I'm not asking for that round to be redone or anything. Just for the future.
I know there's no rule against it, but I assume that one was left to common sense. I'd like this to become a written rule. No EU players. I'm not asking for that round to be redone or anything. Just for the future.
Oh you. Here we go!
Just because it's called murrika league it has to be NA people in it? How narrowminded. It's hosted by our dear mrshine who is from NA with help from raven, hence called murricca league.
Feels like your going by the logic of "since the game is called mount and blade, there should be no ranged weapons in this game since it's not in the name of the game. *hurr durr*"
As a sidenote to give you more of a perspective, i was gonna play with the frisians too but got stuck in another game so that would mean 2 EU archers. Just because our clans havn't applied doesn't mean we can't play with the others. And why are you whining over your enemies using EU players on ravens server? It's like 150-160 ping for us, should be a huge advantage for you.
edit: you should already know EU players are allowed since i actually inquired if i could make a team and join on first page of this thread
Oh God. Frisia Team should be: Itchy, Kesh, Apollo, Bagge, Segd, DaveUKR, Aderyn and Rohy.
On a more serious note (I guess?): My own personal experience with the tournie so far has been pretty bad. I like the idea and everything and I did miss two of our match ups so maybe they were different but from the pre-season match and from the match with frisians i think the mindset of our team every round has been "watch out for that archer! we have to stay out of his sight until the flags come up or until he runs out of ammo!". I do have a crossbow which at least gives me the chance to get shot in the head while shooting back which is more than some guys and I do have a shield so I can at least have some hope of running at the archer but the general battle strategy seems to be for shielders to stand around with shields out, non-shielders to hide and archers to be nice and protected while shooting at the enemy team. Then whichever team wins the ranged battle generally wins the round. Ultimately as far as Fun goes, I have had very little with the tournie so far; it is season 1 though and I suspect changes will be proposed and made and that is why I wanted to say how I felt about things so far. If everyone else has been having fun then I guess things are fine as they are and no changes should be made. I just find it frustrating that the entire focus of every match I've played has been the enemy archer rather than the enemy melee or anything like that.
5. ▼FCC (1-2) - Off to a slow start is in understatement. It seems like though their mercs and gear are great, they just don't mesh well with eachother in a situation reminiscent of LA Lakers 2012-13 season.
MrShine, it would be nice if we could get some clarification. The name 'MURRICCA crpg clan league' implies this is a NA clan league. Now we have EU players and people signing up for whoever.
I am all for have a independent team of non-clan affiliated people to play in but in the current situation it sort of defeats the purpose of having a clan league. I thought the point was to field teams of clanmates and attempted to earn some 'internet pride/bragging rights'. Some leeway should be given to multi-faction clans, like FCC, who for all purposes are essentially one clan, on a single banner.
As far as the EU players having a handicap: Previous strategus' have taught us that having a high ping means nothing to a archer (except in melee). Time and time again EU archers have come into NA battles and preformed just as well as NA archers. Having EU players in this league, especially ones who are not even in the clan of their team, just seems a bit much consider EU players/clans have their own leagues already. Exceptions could be made to select players who are in NA clans.
As far as the EU players having a handicap: Previous strategus' have taught us that having a high ping means nothing to a archer (except in melee). Time and time again EU archers have come into NA battles and preformed just as well as NA archers. Having EU players in this league, especially ones who are not even in the clan of their team, just seems a bit much considering EU players/clans have their own leagues already. Exceptions could be made to select players who are in NA clans.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there are hell of alot more good EU archers than NA archers.
Read his post again, then tell me what you just said has to do with anything being discussed. He's talking about archers having an easy time regardless of ping, and you've apparently decided to measure cock sizes. No one here cares about the skill level between EU and NA archers. No one mentioned that. Skill is not the fucking topic at hand. Hey, how about you reply to what I said, rather than look for a fight? I think SOME EU players should be allowed in the league, while most should not. Do you have a response to THAT?
Why the segregation?It's an easy one first, huh? Because it's an NA league.
It's not a league for those who has played NA_1 the longest, it's a teamcup.Right, it's a teamcup for those who regularly play on the NA servers. (like yourselves)
And why narrow it down to just the europeans? How do you feel about brazilians, aussies(new zealanders too), chinese etc? Are they allowed from your point of view? They are just as far away (if not even further).
HOWEVER, I never want to see a Merc, Byzantium, Nord, Wolve, or otherwise obviously EU player/clan in this NA tournament.
I think the (my) biggest concern is the idea of having non-clanmembers an active role in the league. There are no explicit rules against it, other than making sure people are added to rosters ahead of time and people don't join multiple rosters. Frisia did indeed add Bagge to the roster in a PM request that I didn't update yet, and no rules have been broken, but I do think this might warrant further discussion about how we can improve on our roster rules in the future.
I'll say off the bat that this season I've been mostly interested in getting the word out there and getting teams interested, which has caused us to be lax with our roster restrictions.
Afraid we'll kick your ass with this Europe guy we found?
WARNING: Long ass post
So I think there are a few issues going on here: people who have a problem with the ranged, people who have a problem with EU players in the league, and people who have a problem with non-clanmembers joining teams.
Ranged - I think this is something that needs to be dealt with in the metagame. STFs and alts are allowed, so if you get destroyed by ranged one map think about swapping in alts that might be able to deal with it better (aka shields) the next. Ranged is strong if they can pick off key players early, but IMO the bulk of the match is still decided in the melee scrums. I'm sorry if some people aren't enjoying this side of the matches, but it is what it is.
EU players - It's an NA oriented league, that much is clear. However I don't have any specific problems with allowing EU players to participate, since they will naturally be disadvantaged. Some clans have EU folks in them and prohibiting people from playing with their clanmates or friends just because they live somewhere else seems to me to be an arbitrary restriction that will prevent more fun than it would promote.
I think the (my) biggest concern is the idea of having non-clanmembers play an active role in the league. There are no explicit rules against it, other than making sure people are added to rosters ahead of time and people don't join multiple rosters. Frisia did indeed add Bagge to the roster in a PM request that I didn't update yet, and no rules have been broken, but I do think this might warrant further discussion about how we can improve on our roster rules in the future.
I'll say off the bat that this season I've been mostly interested in getting the word out there and getting teams interested, which has caused us to be lax with our roster restrictions.
An example of this is the independent team which essentially has a smattering of strong players from a mix of clans & non-clanned members - they don't all really operate as a team so much as a horde of high skill individuals operating independently but effectively. There are a lot more Chaos members on it now so it's starting to resemble a clan, but it's strikingly different from most other teams submitted.
I'm ok with that if we want to adjust things in upcoming seasons. The league has been clan focused, but I think what some clans have in internal chemistry among members they might lack in competitive skill (I'll be the first to say this is probably why Astralis is 0-3 right now - we have a bunch of solid players but our team makeup has generally been whoever's around to play that night, which doesn't usually translate into our best 8).
I think we could go one of two ways - we can either restrict rosters next season to be more clan/group oriented, or we can open it up and turn it into smaller rosters but more teams, and drop the pretense of needing a clan. This could also encourage a lot more non-clan members or small clans from joining up, and we could end up getting more competition. But maybe that will ruin the fun for some people.
For now I propose we don't change things and let season 1 play out; teams can add people onto their rosters as they see fit, provided they aren't already on a different team. The end-of season tournament may have rule adjustments, and we can talk about how we might want to change things for season 2.
I personally am more in favour of this being a clan oriented thing, there are also a lot of larger clans that did not get onboard for season 1 that I would like to see entering teams for season 2 (clans like Hospitaller, MB, HoC, LCO, SS, Acre). I see a lot of guys from these clans dropping into matches now and asking how to get on. Chaos & Remnants also seem to have taken over Independent and PRO rosters respectively.
In the future I would say teams could be based on c-rpg.net ladder clans but with an allowance to add maybe 3-5 non-clan members to roster or two smaller clans could form a joint entry.
How about having a max roster of say 10 with 6 players at a time. This would allow groups of friends to play together while splitting up monster rosters like that of tkov.
I was not at the FCC frisia third round and i would say the major issue I have is that the match already started. Should not be able to edit your roster during a match (granted the final round was postponed) but should function like a fantasy football league where you can not make adjustments to your team because you see an opportunity.
So you should have just forfeit when you guys left without even discussing it with anyone on the opposing team. Remember, Frisians swept the first match, got up 2-0 in the second match before you guys tied it at 2-2, then you announced you were leaving. Even with the same roster the trend was that you guys were getting definitively beat. Hopefully we can now end these posts and get back to playing matches.
The whole reason we ran out of time to do the last map is cause every map went the full 5 rounds.
Ran out of time = prioritized a Strat battle over a scrim battle, in this instance, though.
Ran out of time = prioritized a Strat battle over a scrim battle, in this instance, though.
We didn't edit our roster during a match. He was added prior to the third round.
But 600 tickets vs 1500 was important! Also matey there is no need to be upset. The first map was most certainly 3-0 or 3-1 for Frisia, while the second was 2-0 before the tie. However this is contributing nothing to the thread and all that really matters is your team lost. From this point on there should be stricter rules for postponing a match barring real emergencies, not 20 minute strat battles.
Seriously? Can you guys stop initiating strat battles that overlap with your times?
We'll try for 9:30
If we stopped fighting there would be zero fights for the NA side of the map over 200 tickets
What do you want we have a war going. If we stopped fighting there would be zero fights for the NA side of the map over 200 tickets
Just noticed, strat fights on every side of our scrim tomorrow.
i would like to announce the glorious return of:
(add to the list)
PRO_Jar_of_Jars
If there was any question about whether PRO would come out on top, that last edition to the roster has answered it.
If there was any question about whether PRO would come out on top, that last edition to the roster has answered it.
If we re named our team to Frisia and Friends would you guys stop bitching? Because basically it would be the same thing as FCC, multiple clans on the same team. I doubt Frisia would be even able to field a roster of just its own guys anyways sometimes, just like BRD, BS, and whatever other clans you guys have wouldn't be able to on their own either.
But....its all FCC.....it always has been.....so has caveliers...and unicorns. Its all FCC. How is it hard to understand?
But it's always been frisia and friends... frisia... and their friends. It's all frisia and friends. How is it hard to understand?
But....its all FCC.....it always has been.....so has caveliers...and unicorns. Its all FCC. How is it hard to understand?
with this patch did range get even worse for the league?
PRO vs RoR 9:30 pm est: i had my team show up and waited 15 min and no RoR showed up... reschedule? forfeit?
RoR at PRO Saturday 6/29 @ 9:30 PM EST - tentative make-up time
I sent a message to both teams. Does this look good? If I don't hear from people by Friday I'm going to assume it's good.
Relit/Turbo has a new day for us been picked yet?
Turbo and BW handle all Raven scrimmage stuff. The server needs looking at (BW's job), hopefully we can get this back and rolling quickly.
So has anyone heard of any teams that might want to replace RoR's slot? Or any news heralding their return? This whole seven-team tournament thing is a bit funky.
To all of Canada: America celebrate its holiest of days on July 4th (this Thursday). Can all of you scumbags crawl back into your igloos and let us spend this glorious day drinking beer not worrying about having to make it back to our computers for a scrim?
As someone who normally supports all things unfair and gay, I want to break character and say that it would be really lame to not allow a rescheduling for a scrimmage that was poorly placed on the fourth of July.
WHEN IS INDEPENDENTS SCRIM?
Hi, I would like to join a team.
Hi, I would like to join a team.
Well a lot of people ignored it at beginning so we expected interest to pick up as it got rolling.
I would definitely be more in favour of making it clan based next season (maybe allowed 3-5 non-clan to join) but it's up for debate.
Dunno if the TKoV vs FCC happened since I was out yesterday...
but for the Ravens vs FCC... should we try to do that after your Halmar attack tonight Ravens?
The FCC vs TKoV match did not happen. I wasn't around but I'm guessing it was prolly strat battles getting in the way. TKoV guys got a time they would like to make this happen? perhaps Tuesday at 10est?
The FCC vs TKoV match did not happen. I wasn't around but I'm guessing it was prolly strat battles getting in the way. TKoV guys got a time they would like to make this happen? perhaps Tuesday at 10est?Consider the gauntlet thrown.
How much to keep it up?
Ok I went through the last few pages & updated rosters. If I'm missing someone from your team let me know.
Also, I belive the following matches need to be made up since I haven't heard otherwise that they've happened. I added a list of make-up matches right about the season 1 schedule in the OP to make it more clear - hopefully teams can touch base soon to try to wrap these battles up.
FCC at Raven Thursday
Independants at RoR
RoR at Frisia
Astralis at Raven
Third, the following matches should be going on this week:
Raven at Independants Thursday 7/11 @ 10 PM EST - did this happen?
Frisia at PRO Friday 7/12 @ 9 PM EST - did this happen?
TKoV at Astralis Saturday 7/13 @ 11 PM EST
FCC at RoR Sunday 7/14 @ 10 PM EST
Finally, RoR seems to have gone MIA. I haven't heard much of anything for awhile, I'll try to send a message to their leadership, and if they've backed out we can go from there.
Ok I went through the last few pages & updated rosters. If I'm missing someone from your team let me know.
Also, I belive the following matches need to be made up since I haven't heard otherwise that they've happened. I added a list of make-up matches right about the season 1 schedule in the OP to make it more clear - hopefully teams can touch base soon to try to wrap these battles up.
FCC at Raven Thursday
Independants at RoR
RoR at Frisia
Astralis at Raven
Third, the following matches should be going on this week:
Raven at Independants Thursday 7/11 @ 10 PM EST - did this happen?
Frisia at PRO Friday 7/12 @ 9 PM EST - did this happen?
TKoV at Astralis Saturday 7/13 @ 11 PM EST
FCC at RoR Sunday 7/14 @ 10 PM EST
Finally, RoR seems to have gone MIA. I haven't heard much of anything for awhile, I'll try to send a message to their leadership, and if they've backed out we can go from there.
Inde @ Rave took place, Inde won in two maps (though lost at least one live round after Miley tk'd allers- might have been another loss too).
at this point if a 2h hero hasn't made a "league" stf with some shield points he's not too bright. archer problem solved if you do that.
Frisians win over PRO in 2 maps. Let it be known that they were not pleased with our use of Bagge and Aderyn.
miley, me gustaría que realmente no le odio en nuestros tamaños de pene
So they get to use non Frisian people who aren't on their roster, but independents do it (and we win vs. Frisia) yet they get the win? Correct me if I'm wrong--I wasn't there.
Still wrong...
So they get to use non Frisian people who aren't on their roster, but independents do it (and we win vs. Frisia) yet they get the win? Correct me if I'm wrong--I wasn't there.
Still wrong...
Let's stop this acrimony over the first Inde vs Frisia match and issue a formal challenge; I think Ascalon would agree to asking you gentlemen if you would like to re-do round one now that we can field a full team reliably. Up to you guys, you're not under any obligation to consent to a rematch, but I'd sure as heck enjoy playing in one (wasn't really active at that time).
Can we vote that Malaclypse posts in the name for the Inde's and not Miley.(click to show/hide)
Let's stop this acrimony over the first Inde vs Frisia match and issue a formal challenge; I think Ascalon would agree to asking you gentlemen if you would like to re-do round one now that we can field a full team reliably. Up to you guys, you're not under any obligation to consent to a rematch, but I'd sure as heck enjoy playing in one (wasn't really active at that time).
We're down for another match, we'd be gigantic bitches if we declined.
Let's figure out when we are going to do this. Could we get it done on Wednesday or Thursday in the evening?
I don't understand why Frisia can use people that are not in Frisia, or any clan for that matter?
I don't get why independents get people that are in clans, there not independent after all. It goes both ways and its not against the rules.
Then you are behaving in a very ignorant manner. Read up on the rules and take your dislike of us elsewhere so we don't have to clutter up the page with this bullshit.
I literally didn't even know you existed.Lies and libel it's not like the c-rpg community is a vast ocean. Also you came to a clan thread whining about a member. Is it so hard to believe that we'd give you shit for whining about someone you don't really ever spend time around? We all seem to understand that Daru is just messing with people since we are in his clan and spend a majority of time with him. When we try to explain that you just say stupid stuff like "clan protect clan"....well yeah we are a clan after all.
Lies and libel it's not like the c-rpg community is a vast ocean. Also you came to a clan thread whining about a member. Is it so hard to believe that we'd give you shit for whining about someone you don't really ever spend time around? We all seem to understand that Daru is just messing with people since we are in his clan and spend a majority of time with him. When we try to explain that you just say stupid stuff like "clan protect clan"....well yeah we are a clan after all.
1. It was my opinion and it sticks after I read the rules. You're calling me ignorant when you're talking about me being affected by a language barrier? Oh sorry you were ignorant about me knowing English perfectly fine and knowing Spanish as well, while I am guessing you just know English.
The ignorance was not about the language barrier, I don't think anyways. I belive it was more about the idea being put out.
And also, knowing two languages does not mean your smarter than anybody, even though it does mean you have a passion for either learning or you want to get to high places in life.
1. Yeah, I don't give a shit about your immigrant plight, find a support group.
2. Oh well, we were mean to you over the internet. Cry about it, my old friend.
Edit: 3. We insulted you because why not.
Its not
Look up the definition of ignorance, permavirgin.
Learn English, buddy.
Also, get laid, virgin.
This thread isn't for petty bullshit. Cut it out.
Miley, Sandy already agreed to have a rematch so lets leave it at that. All the trash talk can come after (preferably none and please not in this thread).
Thanks again to the Frisian gentlemen for agreeing to a rematch, retaining your victory and flawless record on the field of battle like the godly beast legends ya'll are, 3-2 both maps.
Is Shine back?
We need to re-schedule Raven vs Astralis match. Maybe Sunday?
Thanks again to the Frisian gentlemen for agreeing to a rematch, retaining your victory and flawless record on the field of battle like the godly beast legends ya'll are, 3-2 both maps.
Well we still have raven to do on Saturday. I personally think there the ones to beat for us. They have a lot of shielded throwers, and that stuff is the best counter to bagge, Apollo, aderyn and I, even though I won't be there. Even if they use throwing axes, we use heater shields I think so we'll loose our shields right away. It'll be a fun one though, that's for sure.
Fuck you piece of shit frisians.
Hur dur we lucky we won
Suck my fucking dick you guys are pussies as fuck
We did well and we played well even without archers. Suck my mother fucking dick you air cunts.
Final Power Rankings:
1. Frisia (6-0)
2. Independents (5-1)
3. PRO (4-2)
4. FCC (3-3)
5. TKoV (3-3)
6. Astralis (0-6)
7. RoR (DQed)
The season ended with the worst team hands down somehow overcoming every single obstacle and rising from scum-nerd-baddie-status to undefeated titans of the battlefield. Controversy surrounded their acquisition of Bagge, the GOAT archer, but the core Frisia members is what truly held this team together like Sandersson, Cikel, and some other guy...his name is doorvine or something? PRO and Independent, as expected finished the season near the top of the rankings. Miley and Allers provided the 1-2 punch, while the skilled Chaos members cleaned up the rest. Astralis, for all their skill ended up not winning a single match (I think, correct me if I'm wrong since MrShine quit updating his original post). FCC and TKoV, the two teams with the largest player pools ended up with the 4 and 5 spot. FCC was busy with strat battles, so don't count them out for a strong comeback next season(since they are going to lose all their fiefs to Occitan shortly). RoR, as expected ended up taking the last spot, quitting the league half-way through! They brought great shame upon themselves. Well, that covers all the clans that were in the league! Good battles everyone, let's do this again, and I will be offering a 500k crpg bounty for next seasons scrim champions.
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Controversy surrounded their acquisition of Bagge, the GOAT archer
wat
also i'd like to point shame at raven for denying me and bagge playing against them. Shit makes no sense to be scared of archers with 160 ping when you are a group of shielders with throwing.
im still waiting for someone to say if the FCC vs PRO match even happened.Playing for third place matters apparently.
Good thing the American League is dead so that no one can ever take the BEST NA title away from Frisia.
xDDD Daruvian is back xDDD he was gone for so little time! xDDDD wow what a loser for having good fortune with his job and classes xDDDDDDD
Left to get a job and progress where I wanted to with classes. Achieved that. Why is it so hard for nerds on the internet to understand that sometimes things work out easier than you expect? It's as if every nerd in this community can't grasp that I was taking a break for some reason that wasn't melodramatic or terminal.
"xDDD Daruvian is back xDDD he was gone for so little time! xDDDD wow what a loser for having good fortune with his job and classes xDDDDDDD"
xDDD Daruvian is back xDDD he was gone for so little time! xDDDD wow what a loser for having good fortune with his job and classes xDDDDDDD