thrust damage: 16 piercethey could as well just remove it
Katana was never OP or overused, so why this final Nerf?LOL, just LOL.
The thrust is laughable, and so many times I've bumped a thrust only to get slashed in two by a one-hit flamby.. Yes.. in a pure duel you might have to thighten your anus and concentrate a bit when fighting a katana user, but in battle it's a different story. (Where range is king)There are 1 vs 1 situations in battles! So as a dedicated katana user, you have a huge weaponspeed advantage, you can deal better with 1 vs 1 situations and you are faster on foot, cause katana user are mostly agi builds and wear light armor. You can also use it from horseback and if there are too many f-a-g-chers you can pick up a shield. IMO it's a great weapon, even though I don't use it. The lenght- and the tiny damage-disadvantage is something you have to deal with.
cant really be comparing dmg from a 23inch/60cm long Katana with full 2hers like claymores that are 45+ inches/110cm long
IMO most of the 2h weapons need their speeds lowered by 10-15 pts
The lenght- and the tiny damage-disadvantage is something you have to deal with.Double price(Katana 9700 gold, Bastard 4000-something, can't check now, I'm at work) for a weapon that deals less damage and is shorter than the bastard sword. And the mighty difference in speed according to my testing on the duel server is an average 2-4 swings more per minute.(Bastard was 62-63 per minute, katana was 64-66 swings per minute)
IMO most of the 2h weapons need their speeds lowered by 10-15 pts
Katana:
Should be:
Katana
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 103
shield width: 95
thrust damage: 20 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
weapon length: 95
Double price(Katana 9700 gold, Bastard 4000-something, can't check now, I'm at work) for a weapon that deals less damage and is shorter than the bastard sword. And the mighty difference in speed according to my testing on the duel server is an average 2-4 swings more per minute.(Bastard was 62-63 per minute, katana was 64-66 swings per minute)Okay, again. You guys can't expect the fastest 2h weapon to have top damage. 35 cut is just 3 points less than the german greatsword which costs more than 15000 bucks. Okay, the thrust dmg really is a joke, but atleast be proud, that you're not a lolstabber. (Don't know if lolstabbing still exists, just played twice since the patch came out.)(click to show/hide)
additionally, the bastard sword should probably require 11 strength.
Okay, again. You guys can't expect the fastest 2h weapon to have top damage. 35 cut is just 3 points less than the german greatsword which costs more than 15000 bucks. Okay, the thrust dmg really is a joke, but atleast be proud, that you're not a lolstabber. (Don't know if lolstabbing still exists, just played twice since the patch came out.)
I think this justifies not only a speed advantage, but also proper damage, and at least a thrust that is usable.It has proper dmg and like I already said, even in my opinion the thrust dmg is to low.
Is to be similar in power to the other high-end swords. The goal should, in my opinion be that the power of most weapons is more or less equal, but with emphasis on different stats, balancing each other out. As katana is the shortest of the 2-handers it should naturally be the fastest, which also fits well with that it is famous for its great handling.
I don't think anyone cares about your opinion anymore ever since your post about Throwing Hammers and Throwing Weapons with Knockdowns.
:/
last I checked I didnt say anything about throwing hammers having knockdown. Might wanna work on your reading comprehension champ
Actually, I think the Longsword should be the better weapon and thus more expensive. The katana isn't a stabbing weapon at all, reduce the cost.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=player_detailpage#t=392s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=player_detailpage#t=392sOf course you can stab with it, but it's more of a cutting weapon than a stabbing one. Of course, showing me one video of a certain katana compared to a certain longsword doesn't say anything.
7:10. Its not a stabbing weapon you say?
Just looking at the weapons clearly shows which one should have more stab damage. However, maybe a small increase in stab damage is in order?No it isn't. Two handed sword is for slashing, longsword is for stabing and katana is for weaboos. All angles are covered.
Jog
That was some time ago with lvl40+ katana users. Almost everything was OP back then on a high-level char. (So OP then might not have been so OP, when many players were 40+ with heirloomed weps) True that katana might have approached the limits of netcode for high ping-players, but only a few players had heirloomed katas with pure 2h AGI builds.
Katana is shorter then any 2h weapons on the game almost same with some 1h weapons. So the only think is the ''speed'' who give the advantage. If you nerf it then katana will be useless and Katana users doin the hardest style on the game im not talking about spammers.
Hardest is 1h without shield, not noobcake katana users.
Katana should have more speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lueuQu62nRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc&feature=player_profilepagehttp://www.thearma.org/essays/longsword-and-katana.html
deal with it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=player_detailpage#t=392s
7:10. Its not a stabbing weapon you say?
The orginal kata had soft back edge and very hard front edge + lots of layers, im not sure if it would survive a stab. Also I never came accros of any records that samurais used it to stab,It was used for thrusting. The stab is called Tsuki in kenjutsu and it targets the neck or the chest.
in fact they even avoided too hard strikes cose katana would get damaged just by hitting a bone.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYCq9pIB0sc
Speed : 101/102You go on and one about the katana being a capable stabbing weapon, yet you give it the insane buff of 2 cutting? Seriously?
Length : 95
Cut dmg : 37
Pierce dmg : 20
Price : 9200
sounds fair to me
Speed : 101/102
Length : 95
Cut dmg : 37
Pierce dmg : 20
Price : 9200
sounds fair to me
I saw that video before, it is so unaccurate and it is a typical american show to attract ppl that hate a bit of science with this yelling annoying narrator.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/K31n2tj7Qi8 (only to show the most fervent katana haters that believe that a katana bends and shatters when you poke a football with it that it does have some thrusting capabilities)
Katana should have more speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lueuQu62nRQ
Please do, and report back what you think.
To that katana material arguement:
Katana had one hardened, sharp side.
The non cutting side was made of softer steel.
Infact katana could stab with good effect BUT Samurai refused to do it for a simple reason:
While stabbing the upper, soft and therefore vurnerable side was opened. A bad stab simply led to your opponent cutting your sword in half.
About the balancing:
I am back to my cookiesword now,
The k/d displayed on the site is above 4/1.
I shall play unloomed katana and heavy bastard only for some days, just to see how bad they practically are.
Curious if my k/d will get worse.
How is stun related to the weapon of the victim? I hope not at all...A lighter weapon gets stunned more often than a heavier weapon. Especially when facing a heavier weapon.
Okay, here it goes (an hour of play was enough for facts to become apparant)Huh.. Wasn't expecting this, but you addressed the issues I've experienced. +1
My build is a 21/19 atm.
Maintaining a 4/1 K/D ratio is possible with both swords, heavy bastard and katana - fact.
Comfort during battle with both is low mostly, which means it aquires a lot of patience and blocking skill - fact
Getting blocked stunned in a lot of situations, omfg its akward sometimes. Even worse with katana - fact
Damage on most targets is fairly average, while both unloomed, too low for comfort i´d say, decent when loomed i say - fact
THRUST - an option on the heavy bastard, suicide with katana - fact
Katana is overpriced, with those stats it should be lower than heavy bastards price, just because its the worse weapon.
And about the speed arguement, strangely enuff, it doesn´t make up anything.
My 5 cents.
P.S: If u meet ppl with plate or near plate armor and a polearm...you have trouble. Takes 6 or more hits sometimes and a strike will stun BADLY.
A lighter weapon gets stunned more often than a heavier weapon. Especially when facing a heavier weapon.
Huh.. Wasn't expecting this, but you addressed the issues I've experienced. +1
Well, its not like I want to take anybodys chances away by talking biased bullshit.
950 hours of 2 h play are a good base of experience for testing something (playing weapons exclusivly)....
Somebody not seeing the facts I mentioned is biased or stupid himself...
Hope Katana will get some love ;-)
Katanas don't need any love, it's too good. Your favorite greatswords are too good too (just like bastard swords).
It's you who is biased, and don't care for overall balance, just for your shiny german toys.
Katanas don't need any love, it's too good. Your favorite greatswords are too good too (just like bastard swords).Katana is too good?
It's you who is biased, and don't care for overall balance, just for your shiny german toys.
I love how its just people who use katanas a-lot, whine to be honest, I love it now without agiwhores going around spamming themselfs to heaven while I try to kill them.
They do no damage against my plate they just run around me spamming thinking THEY are doing something only to go apeshit after somebody ''kill steals'' :/
I also like that ALL the archers arent using katanas too.
So my opinion?
I like it, but now theres the problem of nodachis....
I love how its just people who use katanas a-lot, whineWho else would complain, if not those that suffer from it? Except Mega of course.
Listen,
my last statement is about the comparrison between heavy bastard and katana.
But thanks for telling me what I am while not understanding simple differences of statements.
A hint for you. You unhappy with the balance? Open a thread!
2h too easy for you? Grab em and go for topping the scoreboard, just do it and send some proofs via screens.
Other than that, please read things before posting useless, offtopic stuff.
Thanks a lot.
I think everyone agree that Katana is overpriced. Some people just think that overpricing weeaboo stuff is fair, while other thinks it's unfair.
Next issue is it's powerlevel. Some people think it should be top tier item, while some think it should be mediocre item ( i think it should be mediocre, thomek and khorin obviously advocate top tier status).
Last issue is comparing it with bastard sword family. There are many opinion on the subject, i think half of the line need to be toned down to fit 1 slot and therefore become viable sidearm for archers (namely bastard sword and katana) while the second half need to be toned down in speed a bit (also, i feel that 2h and poles need some damage reduction, and all axes need damage reduction, current 1h axe with 37c is just too good), also i think that katana should be worse than bastard sword and it should be reflected in upkeep too.
I understand your statements, you think that 2h swords are currently fine with their powerlevel, and you feel that Katana need to be buffed to match their power level. And it it totally biased pov, not to mention you don't care for overall balance.
This thread is perfect for discussing bastard sword family.
Easy as pie, sadly i don't even have time to play 10 hours per week.
You too.
You are welcome.