Rage incoming, you know what it's all about.

[Seawied]

Katana:

Should be:

Katana
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 103
shield width: 95
thrust damage: 20 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
weapon length: 95

That speed rating makes me raise an eyebrow.

I suggest

Katana
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 101
shield width: 95
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
weapon length: 95


Some have brought up the comparison to other top-tier swords, but did not factor into the picture one of the Katana's biggest strengths: it only requires 9 strength. When all other weapon's strength requirement has skyrocketed, the Katana has stayed very low, and is a great pick for agility characters. Its pierce does need improvement, but the speed of the weapon is fine and the overall cut damage is fine.


additionally, the bastard sword should probably require 11 strength.

[Laufknoten]

Double price(Katana 9700 gold, Bastard 4000-something, can't check now, I'm at work) for a weapon that deals less damage and is shorter than the bastard sword. And the mighty difference in speed according to my testing on the duel server is an average 2-4 swings more per minute.(Bastard was 62-63 per minute, katana was 64-66 swings per minute)

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Katana
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 101
shield width: 95
thrust damage: 16 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
weapon length: 95
Price : 9,736

Compared to:

Bastard Sword:
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 99
shield width: 101
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
weapon length: 101
Secondary Mode
Price: 4012

Heavy Bastard Sword
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 98
thrust damage: 22 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
weapon length: 105
Secondary Mode
Price : 5,480

Okay, again. You guys can't expect the fastest 2h weapon to have top damage. 35 cut is just 3 points less than the german greatsword which costs more than 15000 bucks. Okay, the thrust dmg really is a joke, but atleast be proud, that you're not a lolstabber. (Don't know if lolstabbing still exists, just played twice since the patch came out.)

[Ninja_Khorin]

additionally, the bastard sword should probably require 11 strength.

That will totally nerf all the 9 str bastard sword wielders that are running lose 

Okay, again. You guys can't expect the fastest 2h weapon to have top damage. 35 cut is just 3 points less than the german greatsword which costs more than 15000 bucks. Okay, the thrust dmg really is a joke, but atleast be proud, that you're not a lolstabber. (Don't know if lolstabbing still exists, just played twice since the patch came out.)

Lolstabbing doesn't really exist. And I also pointed out that the speed difference is not that huge. And German Greatsword is the stabbing greatsword, danish should have more, iirc. Both of which have higher pierce and cut and length. And price. However these are greatswords which are more aptly compared to the nodachi which is another matter, and I'll leave that to someone else to argue about, seeing as I rarely used it prepatch, and I no longer can use it because I have 1 less strength than the requirement.

All I ask for is 1-2 more cut and 2-3 less pierce than the bastard sword(this would be statwise fairly balanced if the weapons were in the same price range). One more speed or more damage because it's double the price, unless the taxation on japanese weapons is insanely higher than the taxation on chinese weapons.

[Thomek]

Why not top damage? The range makes the actual usable distance for the sword extremely limited.

This is not only a factor of a smaller effective range of the sword, but is actually an area as illustrated below. I think this justifies not only a speed advantage, but also proper damage, and at least a thrust that is usable. I think thrust is nerfed because it was not designed to pierce chainmail like some european swords were. Nevertheless, there are many weapons in cRPG not designed to pierce, but still has higher pierce damage. The additional power of using 2 hands should reflect the potential for thrust damage.

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And heres just another silly youtube video as "proof" lol..

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[Ninja_Khorin]

Well, if we're gonna take reality as an argument(which I rarely do, because reality =/= good gameplay/balance) then here's an article from a strictly non-weaboo site
http://www.thearma.org/essays/longsword-and-katana.html

[Laufknoten]

I think this justifies not only a speed advantage, but also proper damage, and at least a thrust that is usable.

It has proper dmg and like I already said, even in my opinion the thrust dmg is to low.

[_JoG_]

Don't forget that the thrust on all European hand-and-a-half swords that, unlike katana, were designed for thrusting (including thrusting through plate armor elements) is 21-22p now. It's so funny that people want katana to deal 23-26p thrust damage with its non-sharpened tip.

[Dravic]

Then give us at least 20 pierce for thrust. Tried to thrust something with a Katana? ( I mean ingame )

Bouncing off Lamelar Vest is ridiculous (it is when you have 3 ps and you are not at full speed in moment you thrust with, and even if you were at full speed, you would deal about 5-10 dmg to the person you thrust with your Katana... lol?).

[EponiCo]

Is to be similar in power to the other high-end swords. The goal should, in my opinion be that the power of most weapons is more or less equal, but with emphasis on different stats, balancing each other out. As katana is the shortest of the 2-handers it should naturally be the fastest, which also fits well with that it is famous for its great handling.

Meh, Thomek you shouldn't compare them to greatswords really. It has a big advantage with 9 more speed already (=difference between mallet and greatsword). The katana should be an option in the bastard sword line but not the best among them (same as the sidesword is now only a mediocre 1h).

Bastard Sword
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 99
shield width: 101
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
weapon length: 101
Secondary Mode

Longsword
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 98
shield width: 106
thrust damage: 22 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
weapon length: 106
Secondary Mode

Katana
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 101
shield width: 95
thrust damage: 16 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
weapon length: 95

So the only thigh I'd see here is improve thrust and reduce price. I see no need for a equal to greatsword 1h/2h horseback 1-slot fast sword, as some wish, but if it exist it should be the longsword. It's a pain to balance, a 1-wpf guy swings a katana faster than a dedicated a greatsword already.

[Magikarp]

Actually, I think the Longsword should be the better weapon and thus more expensive. The katana isn't a stabbing weapon at all, reduce the cost.

[Digglez]

I don't think anyone cares about your opinion anymore ever since your post about Throwing Hammers and Throwing Weapons with Knockdowns.

:/

last I checked I didnt say anything about throwing hammers having knockdown.  Might wanna work on your reading comprehension champ

[Belatu]

The patch is the good way

[Dravic]

last I checked I didnt say anything about throwing hammers having knockdown.  Might wanna work on your reading comprehension champ

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,4343.msg78064.html#msg78064

Casimir invented throwing hammers with knockdown effect, but YOU invented the stupidest idea ever: throwing hammers.

[Korgoth]

Katana should have more speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lueuQu62nRQ

[kinngrimm]

i want my sitesword to be 103 speed again
if you get that speed buff i have a case ;)