Rage incoming, you know what it's all about.

[Radix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=player_detailpage#t=392s

7:10. Its not a stabbing weapon you say?

I saw that video before, it is so unaccurate and it is a typical american show to attract ppl that hate a bit of science with this yelling annoying narrator.

This kata was a modern one made of god knows what steel and god knows how. The orginal kata had  soft back edge and very hard front edge + lots of layers, im not sure if it would survive a stab. Also I never came accros of any records that samurais used it to stab, in fact they even avoided too hard strikes cose katana would get damaged just by hitting a bone. And the way that long sword bent?? also I would like to know what type of steel it was made off.

[Ninja_Khorin]

The orginal kata had  soft back edge and very hard front edge + lots of layers, im not sure if it would survive a stab. Also I never came accros of any records that samurais used it to stab,

It was used for thrusting. The stab is called Tsuki in kenjutsu and it targets the neck or the chest.

in fact they even avoided too hard strikes cose katana would get damaged just by hitting a bone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYCq9pIB0sc

And realism arguments are stupid. I don't see people complaining about staffs dealing damage on plate. Realism =/= good balance

[Magikarp]

Still, two fixes possible:

Give it a few points of pierce damage or
Make it cost less

Devs get to decide which.

[zagibu]

Or both, actually. If it's kept below 20 pierce, a price reduction is still possible.

[BlackMilk]

Speed : 101/102
Length : 95
Cut dmg : 37
Pierce dmg : 20
Price : 9200
sounds fair to me

[Magikarp]

Speed : 101/102
Length : 95
Cut dmg : 37
Pierce dmg : 20
Price : 9200
sounds fair to me

You go on and one about the katana being a capable stabbing weapon, yet you give it the insane buff of 2 cutting? Seriously?
Doesn't sound fair to me at all.

[UrLukur]

Speed : 101/102
Length : 95
Cut dmg : 37
Pierce dmg : 20
Price : 9200
sounds fair to me

Sounds like OP stats. How about:
Speed : 99
Length : 95
Cut dmg : 34c
Pierce dmg : 19p
Price : 9000

Sounds fair for both user and opponent. Consider that mace with 30b and 70 range have only 99 speed too. If you feel that longsword is way better, how about making it's speed 97 (and bastard swords 98). Problem solved. But no, you want op weapon and you don't care at all about overall balance (and make it 1 slot weapon then).

[Shinimas]

I saw that video before, it is so unaccurate and it is a typical american show to attract ppl that hate a bit of science with this yelling annoying narrator.

I couldn't agree more. Really, all these TV shows hardly prove a thing. Here, the European longsword "wins":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hy_A9vjp_s#t=5m55s

Compare the amount of dislikes for this bit to all other Welt der Wunder episodes or hell, even to the first part of the same issue. Another proof of the growing weaboo-ism popularity, so forgive my tone, it's my burden to battle it and free the world of this filth.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/K31n2tj7Qi8 (only to show the most fervent katana haters that believe that a katana bends and shatters when you poke a football with it that it does have some thrusting capabilities)

It's a chair. The strength of steel being used for making chairs is nowhere near that of old Milanese double-quenched high-carbon steel, of course, not to mention the thickness is different and that armor was shaped to deflect blows.

But anyway, yes, a katana can stab. That's why, in cRPG, it has a stab in the first place. It's just inferior to what a straight sword with a diamond cross section can do, and so it is represented in the game. Balance-wise, the katana offers a unique advantage of lolninja spam builds.

Katana should have more speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lueuQu62nRQ

My joke-o-meter might be broken in the morning, but damn, I hope you're not for real with this one. Oh, I have a similar evidence for buffing European-style swords:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZOoBDaPNiY&feature=related

So yes, add 4 cut to Knightly Arming Sword.

By the way, again, notice the amount of "dislikes".

[v/onMega]

To that katana material arguement:
Katana had one hardened, sharp side.
The non cutting side was made of softer steel.

Infact katana could stab with good effect BUT Samurai refused to do it for a simple reason:

While stabbing the upper, soft and therefore vurnerable side was opened. A bad stab simply led to your opponent cutting your sword in half.

About the balancing:
I am back to my cookiesword now,
The k/d displayed on the site is above 4/1.

I shall play unloomed katana and heavy bastard only for some days, just to see how bad they practically are.

Curious if my k/d will get worse.

[Thomek]

Please do, and report back what you think.

[v/onMega]

Please do, and report back what you think.

Okay, here it goes (an hour of play was enough for facts to become apparant)

My build is a 21/19 atm.

Maintaining a 4/1 K/D ratio is possible with both swords, heavy bastard and katana - fact.

Comfort during battle with both is low mostly, which means it aquires a lot of patience and blocking skill - fact

Getting blocked stunned in a lot of situations, omfg its akward sometimes. Even worse with katana - fact

Damage on most targets is fairly average,  while both unloomed, too low for comfort i´d say, decent when loomed i say - fact

THRUST - an option on the heavy bastard, suicide with katana - fact

Katana is overpriced, with those stats it should be lower than heavy bastards price, just because its the worse weapon.


And about the speed arguement, strangely enuff, it doesn´t make up anything.


My 5 cents.


P.S: If u meet ppl with plate or near plate armor and a polearm...you have trouble. Takes 6 or more hits sometimes and a strike will stun BADLY.

[zagibu]

How is stun related to the weapon of the victim? I hope not at all...

[Shinimas]

To that katana material arguement:
Katana had one hardened, sharp side.
The non cutting side was made of softer steel.

Infact katana could stab with good effect BUT Samurai refused to do it for a simple reason:

While stabbing the upper, soft and therefore vurnerable side was opened. A bad stab simply led to your opponent cutting your sword in half.

About the balancing:
I am back to my cookiesword now,
The k/d displayed on the site is above 4/1.

I shall play unloomed katana and heavy bastard only for some days, just to see how bad they practically are.

Curious if my k/d will get worse.

Softer steel is still steel, you can't just cut through it. Blocking with single edged swords is usually done with the back of the blade, flat side with double-edged swords. Blocking with a softer part is beneficial, you get a little dent, as opposed to shattering or cracking off a segment of a hard edge. The edge is used for cutting soft materials, not for receiving forceful blows from steel blades.

Sorry for more off-topic.

[Ninja_Khorin]

How is stun related to the weapon of the victim? I hope not at all...

A lighter weapon gets stunned more often than a heavier weapon. Especially when facing a heavier weapon.

Okay, here it goes (an hour of play was enough for facts to become apparant)

My build is a 21/19 atm.

Maintaining a 4/1 K/D ratio is possible with both swords, heavy bastard and katana - fact.

Comfort during battle with both is low mostly, which means it aquires a lot of patience and blocking skill - fact

Getting blocked stunned in a lot of situations, omfg its akward sometimes. Even worse with katana - fact

Damage on most targets is fairly average,  while both unloomed, too low for comfort i´d say, decent when loomed i say - fact

THRUST - an option on the heavy bastard, suicide with katana - fact

Katana is overpriced, with those stats it should be lower than heavy bastards price, just because its the worse weapon.

And about the speed arguement, strangely enuff, it doesn´t make up anything.

My 5 cents.

P.S: If u meet ppl with plate or near plate armor and a polearm...you have trouble. Takes 6 or more hits sometimes and a strike will stun BADLY.

Huh.. Wasn't expecting this, but you addressed the issues I've experienced. +1

[v/onMega]

A lighter weapon gets stunned more often than a heavier weapon. Especially when facing a heavier weapon.
Huh.. Wasn't expecting this, but you addressed the issues I've experienced. +1

Well, its not like I want to take anybodys chances away by talking biased bullshit.

950 hours of 2 h play are a good base of experience for testing something (playing weapons exclusivly)....

Somebody not seeing the facts I mentioned is biased or stupid himself...

Hope Katana will get some love ;-)